the hello and welcome to cross talk. hall things are considered. i'm peter level. as kids counter offensive grinds to a halt, nato says the west must prepare for a long war nato's goal. according to woodside smelt, and birds is russia's military defeat. this is a policy choice, introduce ukraine, paying the price for such a craving decision, the cross talking nato, and to create i'm joined by my guess, daniel mcadams, in lake jackson. he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity in washington. we have them are liam, he is a political scientists author and radio talk show host. and in brunswick, we have bruce gag. now. he is the coordinator of the global network against weapons and nuclear power in space, right? sounding cross talk roles and the fact that music can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated, daniel, let me go to you 1st and late. jackson,

i guess you know? stilton berg has been speaking a lot of truth lately. after lying so much for his career, he's basically said, yeah, we, uh, are expansion of the lines, nato and ukraine prompted this military complex. that was for voting to say about 15 minutes ago. okay. and now he's saying is going to be a long war. the west must prepare for a long war. i don't get this daniel. what about achieving peace? they all talk about war and they don't talk about peace. go ahead. assault and break is an amazing piece of work, isn't the i mean he's a string of absolute empty platitudes. punctuated equation occasionally by a couple of druids. and we've seen, as you mentioned over this past this past week, a couple of big truth. and the one you mentioned was a big one where he said, hey, this war could have been avoided. they told us if we didn't put data on their doorstep, they wouldn't have attacked. ah, well, we showed them, didn't we? now they have data on their doorstep. and meanwhile, half a 1000000 people or dead. ha. so it just shows the craziness of salted birth. who

is not the head of anything, all the is a puppet of washington d. c. so they talk about war. he talks about workforce from the comfort of brussels . not understand. you're not really giving a damn about what's going on on the ground in there. and of course, as you pray and continues to slowly lose the war, now they're desperate to extend it and have the long war. because the long war is meant to prevent the rest of the world from seeing who started the war and the 1st place. you probably see now, you know, we may talk about the bandy about all of the numbers, you know, by the way, hold onto your wallets. everyone's uminski is in washington about the cost of the war. i'd be very curious and you know, and the comments below later, what percentage of the money you think ends up back into the suburbs of washington dc. bruce, i think it has to be a high percentage. yeah, me too. it's like afghanistan in afghanistan was a wash wash,

interior for laundering money through afghanistan and back into the hands of major relates weapons, corporations, bank stairs, and the rest. and they view russia in this case as a real long term war. uh, the real goal is to take over russian resources. don't we know by now that all western wars, us, nato, a u. k. all their wars are about resources grabbing resources and russia has too much of them according to the united states. and so this is what it's really all about and money can be made along the way as the taxpayers of the united states and nato countries are fleeced, least least a woman. let's talk about the costs here because it's so easy for stilton, bergen bite, and the rest of them to sacrifice ukrainian lives. i mean,

it is really quite extraordinary. you know, in preparing for this problem, i'm just talking to my editor and just say the loss of 71000 troops over the course of a few short weeks. it's extraordinary hope towers. these people are wilmont. well, they can be incredibly callous because this is not in organic conflict. it is a proxy conflict. so and what i mean by that is ukraine is not in control of anything. zalinski cannot negotiate. zalinski cannot sit down and talk with anybody other than stolen bergen binding. and so the united states is in this until the last ukranian dies. and when, when that is the mindset, then uh, you know, the united states can print and where dollars they, they, that's, that's what the united states does. so this is a money laundering sneed. it is for the benefit of lockheed martin in raytheon and

boeing. and so many others in the military industrial complex. so again, because it's, if, if this were the ukraine actually finding russia then when bowers johnson, when i'm, when, when, when uh, zalinski wanted to actually sit down and negotiate back in april. but no, they were not. they were negotiating, maybe they weren't going to say that they were negotiating to going in. and boris, jonathan came in and totally modern. those circumstances is the west going to allow you to do this. so again, it's not organic. it is, it is a proxy conflict. and unfortunately, the landscape is doing the job he's been hired to do. yeah, daniel, i mean it's, i'm glad this is them. whole process was, is being brought up here because if you really think about it and it,

and it's really tragic when you come to the conclusion that if the, the zalinski regimes accepted what was being discussed and this then bull, he was essentially giving away when he didn't have the don bass and crime, it's that, that is going to be a historical oddity to think about it for a very long time. daniel. yeah, i mean, i, i wonder how, what the final agreement would've looked like. of course, at least they were talking. but i mean, in my opinion, the rush it was put in was in no mood to get another ministry. you know, he's already been there. he's done that he knew by then that miracle had admitted that the whole thing was a ruse. so i think zalinski is a signature on paper, would not have been enough, but at least with a door open, you would have seen a movement toward me once more starts when a war takes on a life of it's own. i as we know, but there was a chance to stop it without but there have been 5 or 6 or 7 chances to stop it without the war. exactly. and bruce again, you know,

can somebody blinking says that uh, rush is rejecting quote, a meaningful diplomacy. well, that's not true at all. the door is open. now the terms and conditions of what the russians want are very clear, a change in the european security architecture and never hear that in the main stream. okay. he watch, so rebuild the soviet union wants go to poll and there's no evidence of that whatsoever. okay, bruce, go ahead. yeah, that's right. it's always blame russia for every thing and that's their m o. a right now i believe that the west is trying to widen the war into the arctic region . number one. yeah, it's a poland, into a mold, over even armenia. so they're really working hard to widen the war in order to extend it and bleed russia as much as possible. you know, most people don't know that the week before the special military operation began in

february of 2022 in the us and nato held a war game called cold response on the russian nor wave, or just a few miles from the russian border in norway. and so it's very clear that when the special military operation began up, putting, understood that these people in the west were out to get russia, they were out to balkanized, break it up and the different small countries. so the westwood control resource extraction, especially in the arctic region, as the ice is melting. this is their pure agenda and they can't let go of it. they're rolling the dice thinking who's going to stop us. we're going to keep going, we're going to bleed our countries and all part of this global reset

schwab. but anyway, this is, uh, this is where it's where it's at the more they can wide know more, the more profits. and the longer this thing on the one, yeah, like wilma is a, it's really interesting. i like, you know, throwing the dice because they've got snake eyes. ok. the rest of the economy didn't collapse. the rest of the military didn't collapse in ukraine. the every single damn, but they try it blows up in their face, but not for them personally, but for everyone else. it is a target. go ahead washington. and was also very interesting and intriguing is we keep seeing president put in as a statesman. look at the russia, africa summit. look at the fact that president putin is, i believe now they're saying he's going to be yang. was shortly to meet with president g. a. there have been a number of, of world leaders that are coming to russia. drew bricks and into other

organizations to meet with him, to meet with secretary lab ross because russia is now economically gaining position. and the united states is losing position. and i wrote a piece a while ago called the non aligned nations realign. and this had to do with the reality that we're seeing relationships with iran and venezuela. we've got a president material going to china. all of these world leaders are coming together, engaging in economic and trade, and other types of discussions in response to the american sanctions regime in america is militarism. and so the very guy that joe biden told us would have is economy crumble. people would be in the streets and they'd throw him out of office. he has just become an even more significant player on the world stage. yeah,

but daniel, that makes the u. s. far more dangerous on the global stage. you know headphones though, like hearing the word know, daniel, the yeah, neo cons. don't like hearing the word reverse. so that's why we're in the problem. you know, the worst thing about this peter, is that, you know, you've called this the long war, and this is what salt and berg said. it's going to be a long war. but to me, the sickest and most cynical thing about this is it washington knew all along, but this counter offensive would not exceed exactly. we know that from the april release of the military intelligence in the united states, from those from those stolen documents, they knew it would not succeed. the us would never undertake a military operation in the condition that the ukrainian army was and america's exports knew it. but what we saw in the rock, which is the only the selected intelligence with stove piped up upstairs to the president. this is what we're seeing here with this war. you have the, the secretary of state,

you have the national security advisor. they are still fighting intelligence. oh, i think to the end, you know, i gotta, i gotta jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine and nato. the state with heart, the the that plans are so important, that's what i'm says is i'm talking about depend on what i'm not the so i'm not fixing that amount of money. is avoid the mistake dental to share because i've already, if you need another chance. no, but i wanted to duplicate the apollo career center look really nice. i did was i as one can easily do that. so i know that you might know that you quoted us when you might do that for us out to vicki disability since you're working off of

the homeowners, may offer us the on the would you put it on the restaurant, but again, they should be new shoots i have come through and it offers cool lot, but just showing you might look that you know, model number one, let me know you got the like motor and ask you some history for me to also define not once back on my list, i pretty sort of despair i make all that i have to get in and work on what you're doing. i'm but i'm in a lot better. and i figured they've done with being picked up to. i've been with us on the phone, what google shifts, you have to renew the money, don't songs, you know. net. thank you. m money and leave on. you will get onto the ship. tesla said i am pushing, pull up on the

the the welcome back across. ok. we're all things are considered on peter. the ability to, i knew, were discussing nato and you create the hey, let's go back to bruce and brunswick. i mean, i think, you know, i mean, we have all the over the, over the last couple of years, try you know,

since 2014 the illegal transfer a power from a democratically elected government in ukraine to the present. what is this era? the new cold war, i think we're gonna still have to come up with a term. but if it is a new cold war, it's the west, it is created. i mean, look at the story. so, you know, taking cars and cellphones away from russians in the you that are lawfully there. they have these is, they're not, you'd be a legal immigrants or whatnot. a freezing of bank accounts selling off of assets. i mean, what kind of western values are these, bruce? they're from like a western values. it's all about relocating russia to get them to take a step that would allow nato to justify expanding the war. in the coming weeks, the us and nato, we're going to be running air, land and sea war games, even into the black see us and made a war ships plan to go into the black sea. it's all about provoking russia,

showing that, you know, is the boss, but you know, what, even in europe, the concern about this war is spreading just this past weekend. there was a massive demonstration in prague in the czech republic, and germany as well. uh uh, it's so protests are growing throughout europe as their economies faltering because of western sanctions that have blown back on the european economy. and people understand that their countries are being hollowed out to pay for this prob occasion, against russia. that could lead to a hot war, not a cold war, but a hot more because we're talking the red hot flash nuclear war. if things keep going the way they're going now. absolutely, and i mean, they, they meet with the oddity historically speaking. if we use the good,

the original cold war as a 10 play you a great powers, the super powers never antagonize the other one directly. they're doing it now at the nuclear powers are not supposed to do that. and that's what we're, what we're seeing now. and it's very, very dangerous here. well, maybe we go back to you in, in washington. one of the, i, i mean it could as all 3 of you, has there ever been an election in the western world, the ukraine war as any one voted on it ever. all through europe, north america. g, g, 20, g, v 7. excuse me. no there's, there's a huge democratic deficit when it comes to this. no one ever asked the people go ahead in washington. no one ever asks the people it is used as a talking point. it is used as a rallying cry, but it's not ever been put to a vote. and you know, you ask peter, you asked the question a little earlier about the values. well, these are the values of imperialism. these are the values of which arisen. these

are the values of capitalism, unbridled an empire. and you mentioned also earlier that stilton bird has said that the west must prepare for a long war. well, understanding that stolen bird does not control nato that the united states does. stolen bird was actually reading the script. so the, he's not selling the west to prepare the west is telling the world to prepare for a very long war. and if you then also throw the, the, the, the us a contrived conflict over tie one into the mix. the united states is creating an incredibly un untenable reality. well yeah, but seem to daniel, i think one of the most interesting takeaways from this entire awful experience is

that the, we see the rise of the global south. i mean, the global majority, i mean they're making it very, very clear they're, they're not going to take marching orders from washington on this. and i think that's a good thing. go ahead, daniel. a gun it would never have happened just then neil concepts, the budget ministration that had not done this. starting back from the obama administration, this was their pet project of the same people blinking and sullivan and the others . and victoria knew it. this was our pet project. you know, since for the past 9 years they've been working on, it never could have happened. you never would have seen. i don't think you never would have seen iran and saudi arabia, mending fences. you never would have seen as a previous speaker discuss these sort of sinews, growing into each other in latin america and in africa. india in china. not at each other's throats. it's amazing. every thing they have the reverse midas touch, right? everything the neo cons, touched towards the crap, yet they never get punished for doing it. they just keep on and keep getting

promoted and keep going over. and i mean, i just wonder if there's some point. you talked about propaganda. i mean, you have to prepare the american people, the big monster put in was a big monster. we have to defeat another hitler. and what you do that you get this kind of consent to spend manufactured as trumps, you would say. and you, can you go ahead so there hasn't been a vote, but there's been as massive propaganda. and then america wakes up with the hang over. oh my god, $10000000000.00 is gone. and i can't buy a low for bread. thanks a lot. and that's why you're seeing the numbers go south in america with 3 or 4 republicans saying, i don't want to spend another penny and ukraine, but they got what they wanted it 1st and they use propaganda to do it. you know, it process what you could talk, speaking about propaganda is something i've noticed that particularly when it comes to ukraine, when you're there, there are things said that you can't take back. okay. when you call someone hitler, you can sit down in the table and talk with them. see this is, this is

a self defeating process right here. and that's what makes this so scary, is that maybe there's not gonna be a, i mean, from watching it's point of view negotiations. mean you surrender, okay. but the russians will never do that. and that's why i think we live in extremely dangerous time. bruce. and i'm going to go into space for a moment. you know, the united states has been feeling a lower earth orbit l e o. with star link satellites launch for interrupting this episode of cross topics. the 20 farm and at the one day has arrived in boxes and pages the talks with a lot of them it posted on the agenda about by last what relations on the emerging global multiple hours the let's listen and now the

thing is that just arrived in saint petersburg fatigues with the russian presidents that a lot of things are expected to come up on the agenda. the main to topics will be a global multi palmera. see a big topic which both countries us fully on board with us find lots are relations of course, as we know russia and china happy in the state corporation in a number of areas. so multiple combat is expected during this amazing of course, we'll give you fully updated on everything. so let's say this an in live now. so what the 2 sides have to say the that's for the installation. put, it makes very nice for it on a this is from baset or this. we are very glad to see the high representative,

the, some of the people's republic of china here in russia for lease time in st. petersburg . the, i really hope that you will be able to find a, please couple of hours, some of the to look around the cd to see the st. petersburg to look at its beauties and it's uh, sort of pool side architecture. and then in the beginning of our meeting, i would like to say that the last time we man, i believe these february and you came to prepare for the visit of the president of the t or c, or a good friend, president kitchen thing and the visit was very successful indeed. i would say it was a milestone visit. actually i think it has to do with the fact that it took place

right after comrades. huge and pin was elected as the president of the people's republic of china. it was an important signal sign of trust and a high level of relations between us. we understand that, and i have to say that that budget was successful and we can see these by the threats of power relation so far a couple ration because with the, gave the good input this to the development of by lat whole ties. it goes for the international affairs, like different men. we have similar positions on the creation on these tablets meant of multi porter, a world world, not based on some rules that no one has ever seen them that are changing every day in accordance with the political, a climate and expediency for the benefit of those who came off with these silly for on the list. that's fine. and secondly, it was

a visit that gave the good input this to develop trade economic and human and tearing ties to pass for the trade and economic ties we have recently pacific. let's say if the said spoke to them to show head of the state council of the people's republic of china that i'm, that on the sidelines of the eastern economic for him, the body plastic did we meet with the over the we so these here in the treat turnover exceeded $120.00, like going dollars, and then we have every reason to believe that we will reach the thinker of $200000000000.00. it's according to the chinese which data, it's even slightly more than $120000000000.00 over the 1st 7 months. we held very successful. we had very successful year of cooperation in the field of physical culture and sports and next year we also preparing some of them seen the

humanitarian field. and of course, it was my pleasure to accept the invitation from the president of the people's republic of china to visit china in october. these here for the large scale events to promote the idea. yeah. that's what i felt pressed there and change in payment based international. brent though, international trademark, belgium road initiative, and actually it corresponds so degree it's also in our interest because we are integrating our ideas in creating the vast duration space to physically from we've our 2nd this with the efforts of our chinese friends and release program building road initiatives, so we move in think i'm happy to see you and i'm sure that the, the sig, change of opinions of change of information regarding the current situation will be very useful to welcome ministry.

wasn't that this wasn't pretty dense pleasure especially, but still recently start president. thank you for finding time. stupid thing that's been yeah. to lock you down, but as well as me and the chinese and best that are to russia. first of all, i would like to extend to being the best regards from president children being as you sat for watching, progressing. if you see the decision being so this march president, she made a historic visit to russia as per your invitation. and together with you, you defined, you goes for the development of the scene, a russian strategic partnership in the new era. you said you directions and ascend strong, gave a strong hand. but this to the development of our relations. psych are you with your opinions regarding the development of relations between russia and china.

mr. president and the world is currently going through the tectonic sheets in the face of the ever changing turbulent international situation. the approaches of mall to polarity is going fast, but still we can see the trend of intake level sation rushing. china being permanent security council members, we aspire for the piece for the development and we, they're important responsibility for these yesterday. my cell that mr. at potter shift, we held the new round of the russian. china is consultations on the strategic security and the day before yesterday we spoke with minister elaborate with health talk soon by level relations. together we talked about the mattress on implementing important agreements between you and

president. she didn't thing we also considered the avenues for a compilation and to calendar. as such, i'm to global trends and we have reached some important agreement. i believe me start barbershop has already reported about it to you and i would like to emphasize, no matter how the global situation is changing, china is ready to work with. the ross show to implementing board stake ramon's reached by you and presidential campaign were willing to continue to strengthen mutual trust and to strengthen a business like operation between us had to increase the

corporation between us and to enhance calibration internationally and to facilitate international fairness to help with the international governance and to develop in more rational direction. and i would like to use this opportunity to listen to your suggestions, to your ideas about, you know, russian relations in particular. i'm about to you are participation in the 3rd for him of the belgian road initiative. that is going to take place the next month. and i will also inform you about the situation in ukraine and about what is happening with the head start by johnny car, about him as our but johnny armenian settlement. our piece of seem to spend on the papers are working actively with.