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the international. the. all right, before we go news just coming in from crimea, the ukrainian army has launched a missile strike on the black sea fleet headquarters and the city of estoppel and missile fragments selling you at the local theatre. that's according to local authorities. no casualties have been reported so far, emergency services are at the scene. they will keep you updated on much more news as we get in here to our team. all right, and that is going to do it for me for now, but do stay with us. my colleague, nicky, and will be in next in about half an hour with much more. today's top new stories, the the,

[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all taken to consider 9, peter lavelle, western elite and they're playing media have made it clear the green proxy war is all about weakening and eventually destroying russia's military capacities. this is

why there is no good faith appeals about a negotiate in 10 to the conflict. they have chosen another forever war, the processing nato's choice. i'm joined by my guess, matthew areas in milan for y'all. he's a senior fellow at the american university of moscow as well as director of the rising town foundation of canada. in france, we have teddy lorenz lake. he is a geo political analyst as well as author of the upcoming book. you claim this by entrepreneur and here in moscow we cross the white reed. he is a managing editor at the grace zone. alright, cross lock rolls in effect. gentlemen. and i always appreciate you jumping in matthew, let me go to you 1st here with a lot of the news coming out right now. and it covers a wide array of things. first of all, we have a nato general sanctuary. spelt number warning, everyone. this is going to be

a long war, so nato has decided it wants to be in a long war. it is foreclose negotiations just in the last loose last new cycle. we have bloomberg reporting headlines, us and g 7. allies expect the complet, the new crane to drag on for years. so this is a choice, this is a choice on their part, isn't it? yes, it, none of this needs to happen. this could have, this could be resolved as, as love rob themselves. they've made a point in his remarks. this could be resolved in a split 2nd. and even donald trump is made a point how easy this would be to simply resolve by re restoring at changing the edit. that is always kate, but for it, seeing that there would be no negotiations possible or even legal with put in. and it seems as though even though there are nice flowery words saying we want to speedy into this regardless of the amount of manpower, the human life that it's b as that's being destroyed. you have these unseen remarks buys by soleberg, saying this will the one for another decade. so it does seem to be that they don't

want it to end, that they're conscious efforts to continuously port diesel on the people on the, on the, on the fires right now in the, there's no insight as long as this ideology continues to dominate the trans atlantic okay, what. ringback why it, you know, a year from the united states, we have teddy, he's in france, we have matthew, he's in canada. so all of you guys have been participating in some kind of election about continuing the war and ukraine. right. i mean, and where's the people's choice? here we have the choice. this isn't a lead conflict that has been from day one in a lee complex, but nobody among the populace, the citizenry votes on these things. why? why it well, that's, that's right. and you know, if you, we haven't had some kind of election about this early on in the past year or so, year and a half i, i think there is a significant chance that and the list weapons to the ones. he might have prevailed

. but for the 1st time, now we have poles coming out from cnn and others that show a majority of americans are opposed to this endless supply of military hardware to the most corrupt regime in europe. this is not something that is popular and amongst either side as it is beginning to seem. we have, i saw just earlier this week, a report came out from national public radio hardly. right. part news, hardly tucker carlson. they said biden's plan to send more aid to ukraine is criticized by voters in wisconsin. and they spoke about liberal and conservative voters drying opposing this plan. that binding has hooked up to send another $24000000000.00 to ukraine. so i think we're starting to see a significant shift in the united states, which makes it increasingly untenable for elected officials to just pour fuel on the fire as my, as the previous guess, put it on teddy. we also have in the news a remarkably, it's interesting how poland is kind of reversed. it's of no more are was,

were ukraine. i mean, you know, 15 seconds ago they were the biggest supporters of this conflict here. now it's beginning to road domestic politics in europe. it doesn't bode well for a, there's a landscape regime in all of his back or is go ahead teddy as well. which means what comes to me the end of june? it was to invite you to the academy of freed up here in indiana. and i attempted to meet him with the, the best of the books to russia. and so what i have been hearing sounds is jasmine is that a russian would be losing to me. yeah, there would be enough to fly, get into europe, then flags flying over games in the boat, 6 moans, or either of those. so the number 2 of the central bank saying that's the last

time economy was complete. the collapsing that they really seen was a disaster and so on an airplane times they have been giving me a call to the teen tech to talk about my own experience. so basically is this case, they want to go to war to the end system. they need to tweak the because what do you have been observing for the moment? is that what we are, the lack of the supply in, in know to the, in the price as being claim, being skyrocketing to a point that nobody can afford insight to drive the car in your the and just sell index as being corrupts. incomplete p, if we are looking up to the germany index duties at sport to no one industry is at $1339.00 in front support to 6. and i see in front of the assembly overall shop

at 56. so what does it mean? you mean step one and i saw as a thorough the strongest role diction today in the world. and if anybody is caught up seeing you all in the session move, we were, you know, so or the said he, let me, let me jump in. here we go. because your, your frame is shaking a little bit here. let me go to matthew right now. but matthew, i mean, and giving the, all of the statements that we've been coming out of western capital is, you know, as long as it takes all the time here. that also tells us that they're not interested in peace. se ukraine seems to be relevant to this entire conversation. if they wanted peace, they could easily get it. i don't know about trump's 24 hour plan, but along the lines of what you stopped funding this ridiculous war and it will come to an end. matthew?

yeah it's, it's not, it's not a great magical secret how this would work. so i think that's part of this is that the, those were planning. this thing are really stuck on the and, and still drunk on the success of being your brzezinski use great victory by, uh, by, you know, sucking the soviets back into their, their unwinnable quagmire in the, in, i've danced in back in the eighty's and there's just this strange effort to just replicate this, this template in our modern era, despite the fact that the world has changed very much since 19 eighties and 79. when the us really what the dominant superpower economically, and on other, other points today, the world is completely different. we have the rusher trying to iran aligns that's, that's one over many of the countries of the world to a new, a new set of rules of the game and, and the formulas of the past don't work anymore. but there's just as unwillingness to recognize this reality and

a bit like math. i don't think they'll change things. that's what makes the, the west, particularly the united states really, really dangerous. let me go to wyatt. i'm not here because this is a paradigm shift. so we're seeing how the global south is reacting to all of this. but we need these people in washington. they are so id logically driven theirs. but what they want to do is they want to defeat russia. lloyd austin said that in the very, very beginning. okay. and what it is doing is it, is it writing their own power back home? why it absolutely, they hopes to degrade russia militarily, to the point where it could not do such things. again, i believe was lloyd austin's exact phrasing. they wanted to turn the rouble into, or the russian rouble into rubble. and what did they get instead? well now they have nato being demilitarized by for sending all of its excess arguments to be destroyed by the russian military. and they've also shot themselves in the foot economically and force this transition, the rest of the world to uh,

to the new sort of bricks lead order that is, uh, according to most of the countries joining it. unable them to have real self determination in a way where they're not having to be forced to take loans by these international loan sharks. like the i a math in the world bank that dictate economic terms that forced privatization onto people who don't want them. so, you know, in that sense, this has been a massive self inflicted injury. teddy lately, there's a new, there was a phrase at the end of the 19th or early 20th century was called the sick man of europe. but of course, that was the ottoman empire. but now we see the term resurrected and its being applied to germany for good reason. go ahead, teddy. well, i have been putting the hands on the documents that was emitted by the other end. and this is joyce from sleeping that has been giving me these,

these looking and it was describing the way that americans deal do would be destroying completely the german economy. uh, you know, the deal is a huge effect that has been put it together between germany, a russia in china to be debates and go to use that to this, but bona to shift merchandise from china to europe was upset with the essential to our economy. and as it was shuttling in fact, the capacity, the economy could capacity of the us, the us of being destroying inside the pipeline which makes the economy of germany companies equaled up seeing any of these documents. it was stipulating. clearly that's in fact the americans wanted to shift all the email g consuming industry, grows by usa in fact,

to get the assets built for very cheap. but besides the social consequences that all i'm really sorry is because even the jobs i'll shift because the company are moving away. that means that politically speaking, this is going to be a very serious problem for souls. and actually when sorts he's a heading, we'd be meeting the board meeting. so i have in europe every body's bowing demon springs. well, teddy and teddy as i saw on twitter a very interesting picture. when the chancellor, i call them sergeant schultz, was addressing the united nations general assembly. nobody was there listening. nobody wants to hear what the germans, chancellors has to say. and you know what? maybe they still have the pipeline. people would be willing to listen, but they don't have the pipeline. it's gone. our gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break,

we'll continue our discussion on nato's choice. stay with our team. the russian states never aside the, the most sense community best. most, all, some, some of the in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on russia to day and split the ortiz phone back, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv

services. for what question did you say a request, which is the, the welcome back across pack, were all things are considered computer labelle dramatically. we're discussing nato's choice, the . okay,

let's go back to matthew in montreal. okay. we have heard all the speeches from zalinski and from all of his backers, particularly joe biden. this is all about democracy and territorial integrity and all the children. of course, they always mentioned the children at the end of this sentence here. but what's, what's really going on, the reason why i want to set this down is because it's a huge money laundering operation just like afghanistan was. that's why there's so much hesitation and what's, what is really a working in the, the, the advantage of the us and its allies, is that they have a willing participant. you know what, what we have here is that ukraine is not a victim, it's a volunteer, it's volunteering for this and it's leadership. and that's what makes it so morally repugnant. okay. because they're in on the money laundering, matthew. yeah, everyone's morally compromised or playing this thing, even the pandora papers back in or the adamant papers back in the date as

a demonstrated zalinski was the eyeballs deepen in all sorts of shady business with, with offshore bank accounts in the cayman islands, in virgin island. uh, with, with tens of millions, just not more dollars associated with him directly and his wife, but also a, all of the, the, the leading oligarchs of ukraine as well as the binding frank family. and then you have the stories of san britain brinkmann fried. and that money laundering operation to feedback cash and the tax payer straight to the democratic party. these are the operations to donate to ukraine. it's like everywhere you look, it's just your corruption. and then you have the black rock, you know, world economic form model going into full affecting, you pray on every level. if this is really just the most dentist form of corruption . i think in the world on an official status, at least least of the part that people could see openly. and yet despite that they're, they're still going forward calling this thing a, a model of democracy when they canceled their elections. those are what you is in

the math, you're david. we have to remember that zalinski said you, if you give me 5000000000 more, uh, we might talk about it. no, i mean, it's so raising at this point here, let me, let me go to wyatt. you know, the iron e of it all the hood, you know, the, the, they want to ukraine wants to be, we made in the image of the west. but what's happening is that the west is becoming like, ukraine are. absolutely, and it's increasingly unpopular when we talk about this decision by the poland prep polish president, andre due to to no longer ship analyst supply weapons to ukraine. that's being presented obviously, is kind of a symptom of this grain dispute between ukraine and poland. but what's left on said is whole and has elections coming up. we have the incredible public support for poll polish or i should say ukrainian refugees that has slipped from the low nineties now to the 60 percent. and it's not just poland, it's slovakia,

it's austria. all these countries where elections are coming up. there is an increasing sense that if we continue forking over all of our assets to these ukranian refugees, many of whom do not even seem particularly grateful for it. if we keep it supporting over all of our assets, to the ukranian military for it to just disappear down somebody's pocket, and then we're going to eventually pay the price, select poorly. well, let's talk about politics, petty. we have already mentioned, you know, poland and other eastern european countries and we do have elections coming up and a number of them. poland, austria, slovakia. do you think that's going to the ukraine? complex is good. influenced the elections there because we all know that europe is terrified of populist. go ahead, daddy as well. i wouldn't say that this is the conflict itself that is going to trigger some the major influence on the election. that's more of the consequences of the coffee broke up. what happens uh, we funds to in africa, the team as being the head, being the country in fact,

to the descendants of the 2nd countries, in fact, to defend himself from france. and now we have a book, you know, 1st of all, we have the money, we have the 90, the best being breaking a box completely. i will relationship. and this is going to be a major, how the economy, because we are not going to get the gas. and before the, at the price, we used to get it either or the you write them in the pollution in front of stopped the stuff there is thursday about the consequences. the 1st product has been increasing by 27 percent. well, the story in the that's been increasing by 60 percent. people cannot afford the impact of the property. all right, now we have 30 percent of the population, the shipping middle every day. so therefore, that mean that's at the end of the story. somebody we've got to be described go to

for the story and not at all ease video spicy, but from what this company know? well, it was really interesting and yeah, who is going to be held responsible? well i, i think we're going to be held responsible. okay. be per showing the uncomfortable truths about this. we've been doing it from the very, very beginning. and, and, and matthew, we're all lucky right now is at west western media. it's, it's okay now to talk about corruption and ukraine. remember before the complex it was, it corrupt the country and then only 15 minutes ago we could talk about it again. matthew, as well words are, are very, we take them for granted what the, the, the, the, the power of, of telling the truth. and i mean, we see in the one side where it's kind of like the, the, the child, the story is, finds christian anderson with the child who was the 1st one due to have the courage in the innocence and a sense to just say the truth that the emperor has no clothes in it, and then if you couldn't put the genie back in the bottle and i think you use, you are sort of seeing some inklings of that. where we see the breakdown of polling just simply saying, you know, openly and loudly that ukraine is like

a drowning man. the more you give, the more they're going to taking. they're still going to take you down with them. you've got some serious, some actual resistance. it seems inside of the us congress as well uh towards this and, you know, there's, there's an open demand to actually see where the money is going. why are we having no account ability, no oversight. but at the same time, there is, i think, a raise over controlling the narrative. and we, we heard just into our den, who's now all of a sudden, somehow this major chief at harvard in charge of a basically planning out the censorship for the new internet. seeing the words are warfare and how for every weapon of misinformation run by pro russian voices. we have new weapons to counteract that, that we're, we're going to bring on mine, but we can't say what they are yet, but they are going to be an important weapons. and you could only imagine the desperation to get control of this new reform. the eventually, when you've, you've already given a discursive example of when they go to a wide here being pro russian. no, i'm pro peace. ok, i'm pro peace. okay? and this is this, there are, well,

we and trick that they always play all the time. i want this more to come to an end . now it never, it should have started in the 1st place. okay. and be not being able to say peace. you know that, that, that it is really do you crate in all of its people. go head. why? as well as you pointed out correctly. now we are allowed to discuss the corrections. thankfully the very strange spokes person, english speaking spokes person, the crating and territorial defense forces was forced, was fired. but over the past week or so, it seems that we were all being threatened with death for potentially being labeled, quote unquote, russian propagandist, all sitting in with this new trend of basically openly threatening terrorism as the lansky himself told the economist recently that it would not be a quote, good story for europe. if we know if the, if the west,

the clients to continue sending endless weaponry to ukraine, essentially threatening terrorist attacks. so, you know, now i feel a little bit safer. obviously. no, you're right. we're not rushing propagandists. we are a propagandist for peace, so we're going to be called anything kind of propagandist. i would say i had the same exact opinion all along. i want this to end yesterday. but unfortunately, there seems to be this segment of our ruling class in the west that is totally committed to and keeping this thing going. and it really, that's kind of. so lensky is main demographic at this point. if you have paid attention the news these past few days, that was kind of one of the major meetings that flew under the radar. was the lensky meeting with a host of c e. o. as in may and his power players at a meeting organized by jp morgan. he that his team shortly after a meeting with the ceo of black rock, which is really going to be the main beneficiary in terms of the crate. whatever

remains of the ukrainian run state coming out of all this, we have a why basically he wants to privatize the, the looting it's, it's extraordinary. okay. and you're right. it was a meeting that really went under the radar. but it was really significant if they can pump in out of the, the tax payers go private, okay? and then they can, just as, you know, take all the flesh off the bones of what's ever left here. that a, you live in france. what is public opinion is public opinion changing against it? against them, a crown against nato? you've already mentioned the events going on in north africa. is there a shifting mood? go ahead, penny. i am to say something. i do believe that. now the public opinion stopped to be extremely angry, even letting go of the condition in which people have to leave. and we are of the left lucky the raising the open use the public opinion intact to refund

gate against the government. okay. so you'll know when i was coming back from your brain in february 2015 after the is be was being that as the me i have been sending the you come out to be made to most of the leaders in friends like we know what i mean, i feel like she didn't buy any who was being worked on you were coming me to the and that's who a lot of somebody. and i have been telling them that they will not take thing tier off the shift to extremism that was happening in your brain. this country would be a major problem in the next 5 to 10 years. and this is what is happening at the study. it was saying that many would be very, very easy in fact to stop the conflict. but that's mean the other thing in 2015 the most or make sure that the supplement will be happening in the best condition for

everybody. i told them to go to to use them each want to be your opinion. you stopped. the 2 must have inside the paper in the box. well, you would not get any dollar. i can guarantee you that, but a single or is it agency? would it be rolling onto the ground? yeah, but basically the, i'm sorry, tell you it's not about a membership. it's not a, even about nato expansion. it's about taking russia off the geo political stage. that's what it's all about. okay, matthew, 15 seconds before we go to end the program, go ahead. a agreed? yes and no this, this really has nothing to do with ukraine. they're completely disposable. this has everything to do with who is going to be in a dominant position to shape the conditions of the emerging operating system that will replace the collapsing world water that is being that is having to plug pulled from it. and that's where the races that, whether it's gonna be multi polar based upon open system cooperation or restoration of the tech know feudalism and the population agenda will remains to be seen. all right, with the everybody, what matthew just said, they're take, pull out of posted,

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