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hello and welcome to the cross cock, were all taken to consider 9 peter lavelle. western relates in their play and media of media cleared the ukraine proxy. war is all about weakening and eventually destroying russians, military capacities. this is why there is no good faith appeals about in negotiating 10 to the conflict, they have chosen another forever war, the processing nato's choice. i'm joined by my guess, matthew areas in milan for y'all. he's a senior fellow at the american university of moscow, as well as director of the rising town foundation of canada. in france. we have penny, lawrence lake. he is a jewel political analyst, as well as author of the upcoming book, ukraine, the spy entrepreneur. and here in moscow we cross why read is

a managing editor at the grace zone, right across lock roles and effect. gentleman and i always appreciate you jumping in matthew, let me go to you 1st here with you. a lot of the news coming out right now and it covers a wide array of things. first of all, we have a nato general secondary spelt number warning, everyone. this is going to be a long war. so nato's decided it wants to be in a long war. it is foreclose negotiations just and then asked lucy, last new cycle we have bloomberg. we parting headlines us and g 7. allies expect the conflict and ukraine to drag on for years. so met, this is a choice, this is a choice on their part, isn't it? or yes it, none of this needs to happen. this could have, this could be resolved as, as love rock themselves. they've made a point in his remarks. this could be resolved in a split 2nd. even donald trump has made the point how easy this would be to simply resolve by re restoring and changing the edit then. so let's keep but for it seem

that there would be no negotiations possible or even legal with put in um and it seems as though even though there are nice flowery words saying we want to speedy into this regardless of the amount of manpower the human life that it's the best that's being destroyed. you have these unseen remarks buys by phone birds saying this will the one for another decade. so it does seem to be that they don't want it to end, that they're conscious efforts to continuously poor diesel on the people on the, on the, on the fires right now in the there's no, i didn't cite as long as this ideology continues to dominate the trans atlantic. okay, well, why it, you know, a year from the united states, we have city, he's in france, we have matthew, he's in canada. so all of you guys have been participating in some kind of election about continuing the war and ukraine. right. i mean, and where's the people's choice? here we have a meet choice. this isn't a lead conflict that has been from day one in a lee complex, but nobody among the populace, the citizenry votes on these things. why?

why it as well that's, that's right. and you know, as you, we haven't had some kind of election about this early on in the past year or so, year and a half i, i think there is a significant chance that and the list weapons to the whence he might have prevailed. but for the 1st time, now we have poles coming out from cnn and others that show a majority of americans are opposed to this endless supply of military hardware to the most corrupt regime in europe. this is not something that is popular and amongst either side as it is beginning to seem. we have uh, i saw um just earlier this week, a report came out uh from national public radio hardly. right. part news hardly tucker carlson. they said biden's plan to send more aid to ukraine is criticized by voters in wisconsin. and they spoke about liberal and conservative voters. uh trying opposing this plan that biden has hooked up to send another $24000000000.00

to ukraine. so i think we're starting to see a significant shift in the united states, which makes it increasingly untenable for elected officials to just pour fuel on the fire as my, as the previous guess, put it on teddy. we also have in the news a remarkably, it's interesting how poland is kind of reversed. it's of no more are was, were ukraine. i mean, you know, 15 seconds ago they were the biggest supporters of this conflict here. now it's beginning to road domestic politics in europe. it doesn't bode well for a, there's a landscape regime in all of his back or is go ahead teddy as well. which means what comes to me the end of june? it was the invited to the academy of 14 fiesta indiana and i attempted to meet him with the, the best of the books to russia. and so what i have been hearing sounds is

jasmine is that a russian would be losing to me. yeah. there would be enough to fly, get into europe, then flags flying over games in the boat, 6 moans are you hold on. so the number 2 of the symptoms bang to the same. that's the last time economy was complete. the collapsing that they really seen was a disaster, and so on an airplane times they have been giving me a call to the teen tech to talk about my own experience. so basically is this case, they want to go to war to the end festival. they need to tweak video because what do you have been observing from the moment? is that what we are, the lack of the supply in, in know to the and the price has been calling, being skyrocketing to

a point that nobody can afford insight to drive the car in your the and just see on index as being corrupting completely. if we're looking up to the germany index duties of sport to the one industry is at $1339.00 in funds for up to 6. and i see in front of the assembly overall shop at 56. so what does it mean? it means step one, and i saw as the strongest resolution today in the world. and every body is collapsing and you will notice the symbol we were. and so it of the said he let me, let me jump in. here we go because your, your frame is shaking a little bit here. let me go to matthew right now. but matthew, i mean a gaming and all of the statements that we've been coming out of western capital as you know, as long as it takes all the time here. that also tells us that they're not interested

in peace. se ukraine seems to be relevant to this entire conversation. if they wanted peace, they could easily get it. i don't know about trump's 24 hour plan, but along the lines of what you stop funding this ridiculous war, and it will come to an end, matthew? yeah it's, it's not, it's not a great magical secret how this would work. um, i think that's part of this is that the, those were planning. this thing are really stuck on the and, and still drunk on the success of the beginning. and brzezinski is great in victory by uh, by, you know, sucking the soviets back into their, their unwinnable quagmire in the, in afghanistan, back in the eighty's. and there's just this strange effort to just replicate this, this template in our modern era, despite the fact that the world has changed very much since 19 eighties and 79, when the us really was the domain superpower, economically,

and on other other points. today the world is completely different. we have the russia of trying to iran alliance that's, that's one over many of the countries of the world to a new, a new set of rules of the game and, and the formulas of the past don't work anymore. but there's just as unwillingness to recognize this reality and i like math, i don't think does he think that's what makes the, the west particularly the united states really, really dangerous. let me go to wyatt. i'm not here because this is a paradigm shift. so we're seeing how the global south is reacting to all of this. but we need these people in washington. they are so id logically driven theirs. but what they want to do is they want to defeat russia. lloyd austin said that in the very, very beginning. okay. and what it is doing is it, is it writing their own power back home? wyatt? to absolutely they hopes to degrade russia militarily, to the point where it could not do such things. again,

i believe was lloyd austin's exact phrasing. they wanted to turn the rouble into, or the russian rouble into rubble. and what did they get instead? well now they have nato being demilitarized by for sending all of its excess arguments to be destroyed by the russian military. and they've also shot themselves in the foot ekan nomic lee, and force this transition the rest of the world to uh, to the new sort of bricks lead order that is uh, according to most of the countries joining it. unable them to have real self determination in the way where they're not having to be forced to take loans by these international loan sharks. like the i am math in the world bank that dictate economic terms that forced privatization onto people who don't want them. so, you know, in that sense, this has been a massive self inflicted injury. teddy lately, there's a new, there was a phrase at the end of the 19th or early 20th century, it was called the sick man of europe. but of course that was the ottoman empire,

but now we see the term resurrected and its being applied to germany for good reason. go ahead, penny. well, i have been putting the hands on the documents that was emitted by the other end. in the this is joyce from sleeping that has been giving me the so just looking at it was describing the way that americans deal do would be destroying completely the german economy. uh, you know, the ability so your thoughts that as being put together between germany a russia in china to be the best and go to use that to this, but bona to shift mentioned that is from china to utah was absolutely central to our economy. and as it was shuttling inside the cup of the economy, code capacity of the us, the us of being destroying inside the, the pipeline which makes the economy of germany companies equaled up seeing any of

these documents. it was stipulating. clearly that's in fact the americans wanted to shift on the e mail, g consuming industry, grows by usa in fact, to get a sense built for very cheap. but the size of the social consequences that though i'm really sorry, is because it drops off shift because a company are moving away. that means the politically speaking, this is going to be a very serious problem for souls. and that's what are you mentors? he's a heading, we'd be meeting the to go to meeting, start that in europe. if anybody's going to human space. well, teddy and teddy as i saw on twitter, a very interesting picture. when the chancellor, i called them sergeant schultz, was addressing the united nations general assembly. nobody was there listening. nobody wants to hear what the germans, chancellors has to say. and you know what?

maybe they still have the pipeline. people would be willing to listen, but they don't have the pipeline. it's gone. our gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's choice. stay with our to the the

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who wants to fish the last best? the message i would leave to you is the importance of not giving up the importance of working together and also the importance of taking care of your corner of the ocean. the welcome act across black were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle germain you were discussing nato's choice, the okay, let's go back to matthew in montreal. okay. we've heard all the speeches from zalinski and from all of his backers, particularly joe biden. this is all about democracy in territorial integrity and all and the children, of course, they always mentioned the children at the end of the sentence here. but what's, what's really going on. the reason why i want to set this down is because it's a huge money laundering operation, just like afghanistan was. that's why there's so much hesitation and what's,

what is really working in the, the, the advantage of the us and its allies, is that they have a willing participant. you know what, what we have here is that ukraine is not a victim, it's a volunteer, it's volunteering for this and it's leadership. and that's what makes it so morally repugnant. okay. because they're in on the money laundering, matthew. yeah, everyone's morally compromised or playing this thing, even the pandora papers back in or the adamant papers back in the date as a demonstrated zalinski was the eyeballs deepen in all sorts of shady business with, with offshore bank accounts in the cayman islands, in virgin island. uh, with, with tens of millions, just not more dollars associated with him directly and his wife, but also a, all of the, the, the leading oligarchs of ukraine as well as the body frame family. and then you have the stories of san britain, brinkman freed. and that money laundering operation to feedback cash and the tax

payer straight to the democratic party. these are the operations and going to ukraine. it's like everywhere you look, it's just your corruption. and then you have the black rock, you know, a world economic form model going into full affecting, you pray on every level. if this is really just the most dentist form of corruption . i think in the world on an official status, at least least of the part that people could see openly. and yet despite that they're, they're still going forward calling this thing a, a model of democracy when they canceled their elections. you know, so let's use is in the math. you're david. we have to remember that zalinski said you, if you give me 5000000000 more. uh, we might talk about it. no, i mean, it's so brazen at this point here. let me, let me go to wyatt. you know, the iron e of it all hood, you know, the, the, they want to ukraine wants to be, we made in the image of the west. but what's happening is that the west is becoming like ukraine, or i'm so lutely and it's increasingly unpopular when we talk about this decision

by the poland prep polish president, andre due to to no longer ship analyst supply weapons to ukraine. that's being presented obviously, is kind of a symptom of this grain dispute between ukraine and poland. but what's left on said is whole and has elections coming up. we have the incredible public support for poll polish or i should say ukrainian refugees that has slipped from the low nineties now to the 60 percent. and it's not just poland. at slovakia, it's austria. all these countries where electrons are coming up. there is an increasing sense that if we continue forking over all of our assets to these ukranian refugees, many of whom do not even seem particularly grateful for it. if we keep it supporting over all of our assets, to the ukranian military for it to just disappear down somebody's pocket, and then we're going to eventually pay the price, select poorly. well, let's talk about politics, petty. we have already mentioned, you know, poland and other eastern european countries and we do have elections coming up and

a number of them a poland, austria, slovakia. do you think that's good? the ukraine complet goes good, influenced the elections there because we all know that europe is terrified of populist. go ahead, daddy as well. i wouldn't say that this is the conflict itself that is going to trigger some the major influence on the election. that's more of the consequences of the coffee look at what defense we front in africa the teen as being the head being the country. in fact, to the descendants of the 2nd countries instructor defend himself from france. and now we have the book, you know, 1st of all, we have the money. we have the 1900. that does mean breaking a box completely. i will relationship. and this is going to be a major, how the economy, because we are not going to get the gas and destroyed at the price. we used to get

it either or the you write them in the pollution in front of stock to stuff there is thursday about the consequences. the 1st product that has been increasing by 27 percent. well, the biggest one in the that's been increasing by 60 percent. people cannot afford the impact to the property or right now we have 30 percent of the population that age keeping middle every day. so therefore, that mean that's at the end of the story, somebody we'd have to be described, go to for the story and my good on ease, read here, responsible for what this company know? well, it was really interesting again, who is going to be held responsible? well i, i think we're going to be held responsible. okay. we approach showing the uncomfortable truths about this. we've been doing it from the very, very beginning. and, and, and matthew, we're all lucky, right now is at west western media. it's, it's okay now to talk about corruption, the new great, remember before the complex,

it was a corrupt country and then only 15 minutes ago we could talk about it again. matthew, as well words are, are very, we take them for granted. what uh the, the, the, the power of, of telling the truth. and i mean we see them on one side where it's kinda like the, the, the trial. the story is hans christian andersen with a child who was the 1st one due to have the courage in the innocence and a sense to just say the truth that the emperor has no clothes in it. and then if you couldn't put the genie back in the bottle, and i think you use, you are sort of seeing some inklings of that where we see the breakdown of polling just simply saying, you know, openly and loudly that ukraine is like a drowning man. the more you give, the more they're going to take, they're still going to take you down with them. you've got some serious, some actual resistance. it seems inside of the us congress as well. uh towards this . and you know, there's, there's an open demand to actually see where the money is going. why are we having no account ability, no oversight. but at the same time there is, i think, a raise over controlling the narrative. and we, we heard just into our den, who's now all of a sudden, somehow this major chief at harvard in charge of

a basically planning of the censorship for the new internet. seeing the words are warfare and how for every weapon of misinformation run by pro russian voices. we have new weapons to counteract that, that we're, we're going to bring online, but we can't see what they are yet, but they're going to be an important weapons. and you could only imagine the desperation to get control of this new reform the eventually, when you've, you've already given a discursive example of when they go to wide here being pro russian. no, i'm pro peace. ok, i'm pro peace. okay? and this is this, there are, well, we and trick that they always play all the time. i want this more to come to an end . now it never, it should have started in the 1st place, okay. and be not being able to say peace, you know that, that, that it is really do you crate in all of its people. go head. why as well as you pointed out correctly. now we are allowed to discuss the corrections.

thankfully the very strange spokes person, english speaking spokes person, the ukrainian territorial defense forces was forced, was fired. but over the past week or so, it seems that we were all being threatened with death for potentially being labeled, quote unquote, russian propagandist, all fitting in with this new trend of basically openly threatening terrorism as the lensky himself told the economist recently that it would not be a quote, good story for europe if we know if the, if the west, the clients to continue sending endless weapon rate to ukraine, essentially threatening terrorist attacks. so, you know, now i feel a little bit safer. obviously. no, you're right. we're not rushing propagandists. we are propagandists for peace, so we're going to be called anything kind of propagandist. i would say i had the same exact opinion all along. i want this to end yesterday. but unfortunately,

there seems to be this segment of our ruling class and the west that is totally committed to and keeping this thing going and, and really that's kind of. so lensky is main demographic at this point. if you will have paid attention to the news these past few days, that was kind of one of the major meetings that flew under the radar was zelinski meeting with a host of ceos and his power players at a meeting organized by jp morgan. he values came shortly after a meeting with the ceo of black rock, which is really going to be the main beneficiary in terms of the ukraine, whatever remains of the ukrainian run state coming out of all this the why they, he wants to privatize the, the looting it's, it's extraordinary. okay. and you're right. it was a meeting that really went under the radar, but it was really significant if they did, can pump in out of the, the tax payers go private. okay. and then they can, just as uh, you know, take all the plan, us off the bones of what's ever left here. any you live in france, what is public opinion is public opinion changing against that, against him,

a crown against nato. you've already mentioned the events going on in north africa . is there a shifting mood? go ahead petty. i am to say something. i do believe that. now the public opinion stuff to be extremely angry in learning don't of the condition in which people have to leave. and we have of the left lucky that's all raising the open use the company units like to refund yates against the government. okay. you know, when i was coming back from your brain in february 2015 after the s b, what was being the testing me? i have been sending the, you come up to the main store, most of the leaders in france like we know what i mean if you all actually, to me by any who has been with going you were coming, meet the and that's who noticed somebody in urban setting them,

that's the well not taking tier off the shift to extremism that was happening in your brain. this country would be a major problem in the next 5 to 10 years, and this is what is happening at city. it was saying that it would be very, very easy in fact, to stop the conflict. but that's mean the other thing in facilitating the most or to make sure that the supplements will be happening in the best condition for everybody. i told him, you need to go to to use them each want to be in your opinion, your, you stopped. the 2 must have inside the paper and the boss. all, you would not get any dollar. i can guarantee you that but a single or is it agency, would it be rolling onto the ground? yeah, but later, i'm sorry to tell you it's not about a membership. it's not a, even about nato expansion. it's about taking russia off the geo political stage.

that's what it's all about. okay, matthew. 15 seconds before we go to end the program, go ahead. agreed. yes, and no this, this really has nothing to do with you. trained are completely disposable. this has everything to do with who is going to be in a dominant position to shape the conditions of the emerging operating system that will replace the collapsing world water that is being that is having to plug pulled from it. and that's where the races that, whether it's gonna be multi polar based upon open system cooperation or restoration of techno, feudalism and ag population agenda will remains to be seen. all right, with the everybody, what matthew just said their take pull out of posted, write it down and put it in your wallet. beautiful summation for the program here. it's all the time we have gentlemen. i want to thank my guess and friends, montreal, and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our to see you next time. remember across samples the

a suze 2060 numerous monuments to sylvia and soldiers and poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed. all vandalized fish. there's the body of us pharmacy. certainly within. yeah. i'm not sure or even some others could . i ask if i really think so that's the most on whether it's expressed room was the thing in the police government denies the rule of soviet sonya is in the victory of a naziism. and is it raising historical memories of world war 2? because the 40 because when you order, although it did seem the non c regimes, the trustees would remain think since people's consciousness forever. but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost. yes. to, to take up the i'll provides for i need

to talk. so i need to be introduced to play the russian state. never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best most i'll send send up the keys 195 and speed. what else calls question about this? even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the russians to day and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the tv service was for the question, did you say from stephen twist, which is the the,

the public sanchez, i've been doing news now for 30 years and 2 languages all over the world. here in the united states, interviewed for presidents working for major us television networks. and i believe that news should be honest and direct and impactful. and this is direct impact the the us decision to deployed cluster bombs in ukraine. seems to be putting a spotlight not just on the in cities weaponry, but you know, what else it's doing. it's putting an emphasis on our foreign policy, double speak,

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