across the top, where all things are considered ideal about western solidarity, which you brain, particularly in eastern europe, is being tested at the flood of cheap ukrainian grain into the u. as in raged farmers and terrified politicians facing the voters. ukraine is behaving like a drowning man willing to take down their so called friends if they have to the to discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess. martin j america sees an award winning journalist, and commentator. and in budapest we cross the door to 7. well, it's is a pod cast, right? the guy goal, which we found on youtube and locals, are gentlemen across socrates effect. that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with jump at george in budapest. well, it's not so happy in the caribbean. family right now, particularly nato world here, over the last few new cycles. basically, you know, uh,

without tremendous fact. but with the, the bullet, including the bowls and the ukrainians. but also what's on your incidence lubarski and about brussels, a policy of importing or allowing ukrainian grain into the european markets, which of course effects the, the eastern part of it. most poland does come up with some spire re language. what a difference, a few of what a difference green can make. george a great candidate to make it a little difference, particularly if you have an election in the you go being go, bingo. explain. so is this a flash in the pan, or is this something you have this thing that is a flash in the pan simply because um the bonus of people uh, by no means uh, it includes the valve as well. and in that way, the bush electra it is very similar to the european and the american electra. this is a rule that has been foisted upon them. and now there is a 3rd party,

but there is a motion on the scene of them to consider a body that is opposed expressively. opposed to uh, opponents involved in your crime. so um, already escape the, you know, the leader of the law and justice body knows that he's in a lot of trouble and he's suddenly playing the police. national is got the name or weapons of audio zones. what if i fall under the sending anymore weapons videos? they didn't say that bolling will cease translating web them some elsewhere the ukraine. so he's just saying something he's not going to do, which he's not doing any way. i don't have a error, it goes back to something has said many, many times here. i mean, this project is in the lead project. i mean, there's just no enthusiasm anywhere for this war. and, and emily off to the election, you know, whoever wins whether it's a $26.00,

you know, civic platform, body or, or more, i guess, get lower. joseph bodies both will continue as before, because later we'll continue as before. and what's it, what's it also remember that um, as the latest secretary general was in new york the other day, and he's come up with a new ration now for a while. they continued when you're great, it's all about china. that's, it's all about china. we have to find in ukraine because wayne hodge can either barge can either read my mind to read my notes, but that's thanks to be a good next door is that always happens to meet with you martin? this is busy in the same vein here. i mean squared, we're beginning to see ruptures. here, domestic politics is colliding with the foreign policy imperatives. they'd come from brussels in washington and the polls are on the front of the line. and they're literally on the front line here because i lived there for a long time. i lived there for over a decade and,

but when you don't annoy the farmers, okay, you just simply don't do that and they're making their voice are larger. a part of the country that has a huge agricultural set of voters which need to be taken into account and that one thinks of problems as well and a few other countries. yeah, i think the story is interesting one, because on this show that we've all been asking us to those and the reason, fremont, you know, what is the tipping point where uh the, the big cracks that will emerge in this coalition. and um, some was estimated countryside person where this went to the government was just announced that it's not going to continue the teaching subsidies for books. it's for all the people, it's gonna slash them quite dramatically so that there's also another um fracture. i think in the credibility of the whole project, but this seems to be a tipping point. it seems to be that even if we don't take the rhetoric centers and even if we say look, okay, it's an election. and um, you know, this, the, the, the pos policy needs to p law slopes is from the fall, right?

you know who opposing the war if will be on the narrative and just dismiss it simply as you know, fire we took to get the boat has done, but doesn't bug well even if it isn't a narrative because the narrative resume is still an awful lot of people and i don't the question now the leaders will be ask themselves on the evolution brussels particularly stuff on the land who must be literally a pulse right now. worry whether this whole thing kind of really altogether because she's got your people election smell just in 2024. and what is the part of the story? tell us, it tells us that there was not democratic process whatsoever for the claim, who nobody was consulted, you know, and you know, he, with the most hotline supporters of the project, i don't have to admit this knowing that this oriels. and in the coming days, you know, and this is what you get when you don't consult people, when you consult the masses and it becomes a lead has project. finally,

they get the side of a you. now we'll be looking at this and realizing can we contain this? if it's just problems only, you know it, could we have a rogue state? oh no, no, i'm contributing, obviously more but, you know, allow me anybody else to go through it and i need to help transportation thing. i don't think they can, but even if they felt was that they could contain it. you know, it's going to be a diverse slippery slope now for the you running up to 2024 european bond much elections. where do you find? well, will be the only thing in town that will be the binary vote yes. on i in church, i mean a lot of this, you know, things be, but it's heavy rhetoric, binary rhetoric, in a lot of it's being directed zalinski himself. i mean, when he was at the united nations, i mean, you know, he's the panhandle learn cheap and he dislikes, you know, he feels that he has a privilege position because washington and london and brussels back came up. so he gave me a, he is not getting the hip it to him. i think that's really getting me,

but we're a lot of the x from the, from the polls. i agree with george. i think this is a flash of the pan. it's this get through this election here. there's going to be no major change, of course, but the, the, the optics of it is, um, you know, as lensky can uh, call the tune and every one taps that doesn't go down well, particularly when you're facing motor storage. no, it doesn't. it, but you're absolutely right about the landscape. let's keep in mind what is the last game may his speech of the un general assembly? it's all to in general about european so one to a sufficient be supportive of you, but it is a single out the polls. i mean, suppose big was 5 and said, oh is the lens is affecting us. the lens is accusing us of being the kremlin cats bull so absorbing you. that's why i think it's a flashing the public a colon. pick this fight names the landscape said colon this of this, then you can say, oh, what was the answer? you started a bit phone and nobody saw that it with a view to this election. but then the other thing you have to get to keep in mind

is that what, what else has been going on? but we have now these attacks on suffice the bulk um ms. uh, this is the lease uh, misses delivered by the u. k, which were very controversial when, when the okay decided to deliver these messages. and it was blended directed by the americans. i mean, it wasn't american regardless of the aircraft in the vicinity. so essentially the americans with directing this attack. so you say, okay, you know, we can have a lot about bowling and so that's good. well, what else is going on? i'm at extension america is attacking ro to the territory. it's not a, this is even a longer attacking the don't pass over there. it's, i think russian charity that's a very serious business and the game as we talk many times before. something's going to break because the congo on russia, if you're a pro russians themselves, see they will being attacked here by the americans. i mean, do you know how, how long can we tolerate this? well, and also i think,

quickly see with the zalinski is less than stellar visit to the united states of parsi was addressing the general assembly, but they did meet with american politicians. josh colleague came out of a um, um, um, behind closed doors, a meeting with zelinski and or a with a it was, oh, it was an internal, a congressional meeting as i'm in sky when it happened later. but um, i mean, he came out and said, um this is it forever war? i mean, they're not giving is that now like and telling us, you know, if we expand this and expand that then we'll get this. he said, no, we're just gonna keep spending. know, josh, all i need is an outlier right now in american politics. it's not gonna change the outcome of the $24000000000.00 vote. they will go through mccarthy as usual caves on everything. but i mean, joshua holly is saying the quiet part out loud. martin is a, this is a,

everything is going exactly to play and actually we're yeah, and um, but i think there are components now with the new republican polity and also amongst the lead, generally in america to concede the things ongoing. that's one of his beloved and things con, continue as the interest to go to the bank, and that's the rationale to keep spending money. well, if it's not working out right, then we have to spend more money. that's the logic. then once we pick the life me up to the, i think i think enough people are waking up to, to have to realize that that's not real estate. we count repeats of kind of stuff. you know, i mean, the absolute to policy of, of kind of done how it was presented to the american public. i'm reality off it, you know, the corruption behind the 2 trillion dollars has been if you spend in a new games, a new one from those contracts. we don't want you to get, i think, best a great through those steps and now which is growing and america, i'm just a couple days ago for the policy. publish an article which question the morales of

ukraine. well, no, it wasn't really. i hit job own zalinski or ukraine, but i mean there was hardly anything in the piece which actually articulate to headline. but the fact that like a roman had learned that the family could actually suggest that it's hot. now to make these morale stand up the case for the credit and credit and we'll, you know, i think that's gaining, i think was, i'm, i mentioned. and um, you know, unless you didn't have an easy time in america this time, you know, honestly, i agree with george then when he, when he mentioned that to him, that the agent really took a particular swipe at the polls. but he is beginning to panic because he's realizing that when the pose mentioned that they wouldn't phone anymore, i don't think that was serious. i think what i was saying, what the, what he was say, the prime minister was that to him. we can't do in the short term. we have to re um, ourselves. that is the same case for many, many western european countries. their homes stokes on very, very low. you know,

i'd like to do it before we go to the break george of ukraine. there is no long term this only now, george. yes, isn't it now? and um, and that's really the image with the elections. politicians of loan to be very clever when it comes to election. so it may go right noises when it goes to election and then up to it's, it's all over member. when in 2018, you know, for 2 years the democrats have been binding on about trump and russian refer, refer, refer, refer rusher. and then it was time for mid terms. suddenly everybody talked about health care health care. and that was going to help the selections, what health care health care help can no one mentioned russia. democrats, one boom, back to russia is the very good that they know what the boat is. all they know, voters have turned off by talk about rupture tells you that, like, you know, they knew the, the, the pressure pressure rush is always on the back burner. because it's going to be pulled out again, obviously in the next election cycle. jennifer, i'm gonna have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break,

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the the world of back across software, all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is the home edition remind you were discussing some be on this the okay, let's go back to martin america's. it's already been mentioned in this, in our program here is a really well i was gonna say some of what maybe not so subtle change of narrative . so basically it's to pro, the way i see insulted bird again, either as

a gaffe or, or he was intentionally cited, but he just admitted. yeah, this, the, the russians went into your crime because of nato expansion. very explicit about it . okay. you can't misinterpreted that. and then george took the wind out of my sales book, saying is all about china. so it's really interesting. so you don't have to. but there's a, you don't have to say that there's no moral ground anymore. it's not about democracy. it's about had gemini, though they don't use that word, but that's exactly what it is. and so since a project ukraine, well, it's not exactly working out as planned, but it's part of the larger picture because we have to fight the russians in ukraine. if we want to be safe from china, it's a, it's a logical extension to keep the of the, the current narrative of having a new cold war. and this time it's russia and china together. martin. yeah, i'm switching the fold. it's, it's a locate which doesn't really at all, you know, we have the same problem and in america is we have in britain and, you know,

we want to do great trade for china. we want to get close to the china. i mean, every now and again, it suits all needs to do, even though there's china and to say these, they're very fiery. i'm things against the show i need to shine is having a hard time at the moment. the economies and games as well as it showed us affecting a lot of people. but this idea that we got a war with china is some, is lawrence, right? one right? because that seems to be the only way that the west con, carry on with a sure on the carry on, with the destruction the voters away from the biggest subjects, the big a needs at home and keeping the corruption go and keeping the racket going. because well, is a rocket, you know, but when we, when we ever get the i'm, i'm not sure i think there's a lot to be done. so i thought mean this idea um that was this regarding century quotes from the equipment to ship out the ukraine, bringing the tronic my you know, it reminded me of the choke, hopefully, of the wealthy businessman and he was only york with his wife and his girlfriend and a son forwarded to the law, sir,

and he throws the rope to his mistress and he's off laser. why? and he said, well, because the wife would understand it. i'm trying to watch the recitation ship. it's been interviewed. credit is either if we can look through the road to you, kind of, you know, where all the loyalty is. now, with the argument though, is it to its own people, its own demographic. also, it has all the big on your opinion project to it's a little crackly. it's not just the opponents lack of support. elect less to support for the credit, was also lack of respect to reverence. who was that you go check. they've just just dismissed this, but this of the lifting of the found on a, you a grand, you know, the just, you know, that love we still would kind of it a number of these, your pin union countries just do their own thing when it suits them. and i think the whole issue about pulling them out is withdrawing the spotlight on a new subject, which is going to resonate with other member states as well,

which is a who comes 1st. is it the people of the member state, or is it the loyalty to fidelity to this big project, which is by much an experimental one. but a unit is this is about boats as a citizen. this is, you can get more groceries to this is about, you know, keeping it. but the dilemma is here to the, is the dilemma i, i think it's spot on when it comes to the, i'm going to go to george now. but poland doesn't want to lose um, its a sending position within nato because this, it's very important that they're going to be finding that brussels about just this reform it all, you know, all these, you know, that's the, that's, that's the, that's not going to change. but the, for the, the nature of storm policy imperatives will truck. okay. and the polls know that that's why they couldn't, you know, they control shade every once in a while, but down there and building to replace, you know, replace germany and france has

a top of the totem pole in nature. that's absolutely right. i think that's, that's the key. same thing among the polish leaders. that's why they don't really care that much about the problem is except that there's an election coming up and they have to pay attention of. otherwise they're out of power. but they have a big a deal political agenda which is to restore colon 2. it's a glory to be the leading power on governmental europe. and it's not that difficult . now, germany just seems to be faded away. i mean, sergeant schultz is, i have no way to be safe. i'm really in a bad bach. i mean was a flaming certainly wasn't. he wasn't seen at the general assembly. well, you know, he was no, no am to say they were little. i couldn't bite. and speak so you know there's no one there so so it is a, i'm in the in a bab up was the same and as far on policy, my house go to all over the place is one thing one day and that makes a follow him is explicitly saying we are the leading power on the continental

europe, and we are america's leading top here. so if america wants to go on exhausting its influence over europe, come to us, come to come to worst. so, you know, is it where it is that it's really a brilliantly dovetails into what's for bo, which politicians have said that ukraine should not, in salt. poland. okay. is right in line with what you're saying because poland is representing the, the hedge amount. we are the name of the voice there, and if you want to get, if you give respect to the united states, you must give it to us. ok. not that if it's earned or anything, but we're standing, we're out of way and nothing. they weren't very clear. ok, martin, do the same thing here. you know, again a, this, the, i don't, i don't think politicians in eastern europe care about their farmers. i think they all care about where they are in the pecking order of the you, nato are a construct, okay, because they're all looking for the next job above. i mean,

you know what happened or the been check. okay. i mean, the people who bought okay. so i think it's, this is more of a geopolitical play and, and to show that, you know, you can't mess with poland, you know. and then i think of because of course, some of them watching is calling zelinski people and telling them don't, don't assume them in the world trade organization and things like that. it's counterproductive. but it's kind of like in the soprano 0, tony everyone's allowed to show he's, you know, he's the boss more. that's a, that's a, that's a good job. i love this. the problem is, yeah, that's right. all right, well that, but moving aside from the surprise, i think that the best thing that i, i take away from this, the thing that sticks with me is the, the messages from post on whether they are genuine or whether they're just pop full . um, just to go into people's lives, the messages in the future, the best scenario is the we will reduce the funding to the your time will reduce,

i'm going to respond to because we've got around problems with time. and i think if the, if the pos stays empowered and it gets its coalition and order, it doesn't have to do any deals, it will have to pay some so that those farmers, you call, i think, you know, joe, sourced, it suggests the, the, the, the, this the, it's not, there's nothing the to, to keep some, to keep to for this for the, for the running a lead to actually stick to the problems. but that will be something you love to be solved by. i think so the options are willing to reduce imagery, spending towards i'm going to share it towards you, credit or cut it will together, and that's where i think will be off to october. the 15th, that'll be some reaction. i think we can expect something from the poster. what can we expect from europe in union, which you've got these renegade states like both of them to adjust literally, sticking to bring this up to the entire uh, you know, um, architecture, the opinion and everything that it stands for by, you know, disrespecting, these are you rules that congo on those to be

a ration from europe in unit. i don't know. we'll see. i think debate nato membership is a very powerful position. george jump in. yeah, i think so. why then when you say the rules, when the you broke the rules in the 1st place by lifting the tyrants on the ukrainian brain? i mean, the whole point of the is the combination of a cultural pause. and the whole point of the common agricultural policy is to protect your being from those from cheap uh, food stuff from the rest of the world. so it was the you that 1st broke its own rules and everyone accepted this until the phone was rebel, the ukrainian, the switch makes you pay is bid for the you even hold it. yeah. the like, it's never going to be in the you and it's never going to be in nato. okay. alright gentlemen, we're rapidly running out of time. the name of, of name is program zalinski watching zelinski, george citrix digit. uh, i found his address and the way getting crazy, immediate presented it is. um,

well it's, it's, it's just a textbook case. and really she bad propaganda. what am i saying? as the lensky according to ukrainian television, i'd say what is addressing the general assembly, keywords in the audience, okay. he's pulled off something, but no one has ever done before being in 2 places at one time charge, which this is a remarkable, interesting lady was also in canada. i was addressing the bottom of the in canada and along side zelinski was a 98 year old, the old codger who was fighting for ukraine in independence in world war 2. the news guy so breathless explained, actually he was fighting for the nazis. so they went to canadians left the ro is one of the but old man, 98 years old. yeah. he was fighting for the nazis. i don't know whether they fully understood it. well, they just don't care. probably they just don't care anymore. well, i don't think they know any more. okay. i, i display, you know, the me,

it seems to me that the new iteration of history is a rush. it was the great enemy during the 2nd world war. this is what they are priming of western audiences to believe all the rest of it. oh, that's just hollywood stuff martin. yeah, i think unfortunately, that's part of the use crack down on freedom of speech. how it's making it harder and harder for journalists actually to the work and write the stories which tell the history as well, you know, and this has been something that was something going on for quite some time. it started years ago. i remember writing an article about the 1st um, the 1st discussions in the bottom of about, about finding out to, you know, how, how can we, we put all the out of the spotlight because the a, you doesn't want anybody questionnaire. it's narrative. it doesn't want anybody asking the tough questions or just wants basically a, a certain amounts of the media who are just following the to,

to the, the now to, i'm doing this to another fate you know, and i think that's over the age where it says that the 1st thing is, is paul paul and slippy john as well. it's just not the subject very close to my house, but there's no, you know, it's getting worse. the screw is not tied to, you know, it's more gentleness of being arrested. no jealous of being of facing legal actions, but just simply reporting from the other side. just a simple reporting of what rushes to it towards novels or even having a point of view. but what they don't they want to, they don't want to admit george to give the last 15 seconds. they don't even want to admit there is another side these issues go ahead your, the, they don't. and that's why they've now adopted all sorts of uh, legislation. i mean, you're in the u. k, u, of the online safety bill, and they, in the, you, you have this online, the digital act, or whatever it's called, which is too bad. a speech that, you know, challenges the narrative. i mean, you can always wrap it always because we're banding date speech or you know, where it goes, falls, narrative is right, gaines,

this information against russia. but essentially they want to make sure that the alternative viewpoints uh suppressed as the case as heard here. that's all the time we have, gentlemen, i think my guess in america and in budapest where i think our view is for watching us here at our teach the next time we remember press stop rules the who, what i would show seemed wrong just on the safe house to come to the advocates and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the the mostly, the creatures,

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