rep is being tested, the flood of cheap ukrainian grain into the u, as in raged farmers and terrified politicians facing the voters. ukraine is behaving like a drowning man willing to take down their so called friends if they have to the to discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess. martin j america sees an award winning, journalist, and commentator. and in budapest we cross the door to 70. well, it is a pond cast, right? the guy goal, which we found on youtube and levels, are gentlemen across socrates effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with jump at george in budapest. well, it's not so happy in the caribbean. family right now, particularly nato world here, over the last few new cycles. basically, you know, uh, without tremendous fact. but with the the pl, including the bowls and the ukrainians. but also what's on your incidence lubarski

and about brussels, a policy of importing or allowing ukrainian grain into the european markets, which of course effects the, the eastern part of it. most poland does come up with some spire re language. what a difference, a few of what a difference green can make. george a great candidate to make it a little difference, particularly if you have an election in the you go being go, bingo. explain. so is this a flash in the pan, or is this something you have this thing that is a flash in the pan simply because um the bonus of people uh, by no means uh in fluids about this? well, i mean that way, the polish electra it is very similar to the european and the american electra. this is a rule that has been foisted up on them. and now there is a 3rd party, but there is a motion on the scene of them to consider

a policy that is opposed to explicitly opposed to opponents involved in your crime . so um, already escape the, you know, the leader of the law and justice body knows that he's in a lot of trouble and he's suddenly playing the police. national is got the name or weapon reserve. uh so what if i phone isn't sending anymore weapons, but he didn't say that bowling will cease transiting weapons from elsewhere the ukraine. so he's just saying something he's not going to do, which he's not doing any way. i don't have a error, it goes back to something has said many, many times here. i mean, this project is in the lead project. i mean, there's just no enthusiasm anywhere for this war. and, and the off to the election, you know, whoever wins whether it's a $26.00, you know, civic platform, body or, or more i guess is lower. joseph bodies both will continue as before because nature

will continue as before. and what's it, what's it also remember that the, uh, the latest secretary general was in new york the other day. and he's come up with a new ration now for a while. they continued when you're great, it's all about china. that's, it's all about china. we have to find in ukraine because wayne hodge can either barge can either read my mind to read my notes, but thanks have a good a stores that always happens to meet with you martin. this is busy in the same vein here. i mean squared. we're beginning to see ruptures here, domestic politics is colliding with the foreign policy imperatives. they'd come from brussels in washington and the polls are on the front of the line and they're literally on the front line here because i lived there for a long time. i lived there for over a decade and, but when you don't annoy the farmers, okay, you just simply don't do that and they're making their voice are larger. a part of

the country that has a huge agricultural set of voters which need to be taken into account and that one thinks of problems as well and a few other countries. yeah, i think the story is interesting one, because on this show that we've all been offering else so. so the reason, fremont, you know, what is the tipping point where uh the, the big cracks that will emerge in this coalition. and um, some was estimated countryside person where this went to the government was just announced that it's not going to continue the aging subsidies for books. it's for all the people, it's gonna slash them quite dramatically so that there's also another um fracture. i think in the credibility of the whole project, but this seems to be a tipping point. it seems to be that even if we don't take the rhetoric centers and even if we say look, okay, it's an election. and um, you know, this, the, the, the pos policy needs to p law slopes is from the fall, right? you know, who i'm opposing the war. if we go beyond the narrative and just dismiss it simply

as you know, fire we took to get the boat has done, but doesn't bug well. even if it isn't a narrative because the narrative resume is still an awful lot of people. and i don't the question now the leaders will be ask themselves on the evolution brussels particularly stuff on the land who must be literally a pulse right now. worry whether this whole thing kind of really a home together because she's got your people election smell just the in 2024 and one is the power story. tell us. it tells us that there was not democratic process whatsoever for the claim to, nobody was consulted, you know, and you know, he was the most hotline and supporters of the project. i didn't have to admit this, knowing that this or it wasn't in the coming days. you know, and this is what you get when you don't consult people, when you consult the masses and it becomes a lead has project. finally, they get the side of a you. now we'll be looking at this and realizing can we contain this?

if it's just upon i only know it could we have a rogue state. oh no, not contributing any more. but you know, allow me anybody else to go through it and i'm a need to hold transportation thing. i don't think they can. but even if they felt was that they could contain it, you know, it's going to be a diverse slippery slope now for the you running up to 2024 european bottom introductions. where do you find? well, will be the only thing in town that will be the binary folks. yes. on i in church. i mean a lot of this, you know, things be, but it's heavy rhetoric, advisory rhetoric, in a lot of it's being directed zelinski himself. i mean, when he was at the united nations, i mean, you know, he's the panhandle learn cheap and he dislikes, you know, he feels that he has a privilege position because washington and london and brussels back came up. so he gave me a, he is not getting the hip it to and i think that's really getting me, but we're a lot of the x from the, from the polls. i agree with george. i think this is

a flash of the pan. it's this get through this election here. there's going to be no major change, of course, but me, the, the optics of it is, you know, as lensky can uh, call the tune and every one taps that doesn't go down well, particularly when you're facing voters. george. no, it doesn't, it, but you're absolutely right about the landscape. let's keep in mind what is the last game made his speech of the un general assembly. he talked in general about european so one to a sufficiently supportive of you basically the single out the polls. i mean, suppose big was 5 and said, oh is that, let's get subtracting of the lenses accusing us of being the kremlin cats bull. so episode the, that's why i think it's a flashing the public a colon. pick this fight names the landscape said colon this of this, then you can say, oh, what does that mean to be solid? a bit bone and they'll basically solve it with a view to this election. but then the other thing you have to get to keep in mind is that what, what else has been going on, but we have now these attacks on. so that's the poll. um, ms. uh,

this was at least the best sizes delivered by the u. k. which were very controversial when, when the u. k. decided to deliver these messages and it was blended directed by the americans. i mean, it wasn't american regardless of the aircraft in the vicinity. so essentially the americans with directing this attack. so you say, okay, you know, we can have a lot about bowling and so that's good. well, what else is going on? i'm at extension, america is attacking ro to the territory. so this is even a longer attacking the don't bass related to, i think russian territory. that's a very serious business and the game as we talk many times before, something's going to break it because the congo on russia, if you're a pro russians themselves, see that we are being attacked here by the americans. i mean, you know, how, how long can we tolerate this? well, and also, i think, quickly see with the zalinski is less than stellar visit to the united states. the

policy was addressing the general assembly, but they did meet with american politicians. josh crawley came out of a um, um, um, behind closed doors, a meeting with zelinski and or a with a who. it was an internal, a congressional meeting as i'm in ski when it happened later. but um, i mean, he came out and said, um, it says it forever. war. i mean they're not giving is that now like and telling us, you know, if we expand this and expand that then we'll get this. he said, no, we're just gonna keep spending. know, josh, all i need is an outlier right now in american politics. it's not gonna change the outcome of the $24000000000.00 vote. they will go through mccarthy as usual caves on everything. but i mean, joshua holly is saying the quiet part out loud. martin is that this is inc, everything is going exactly to play and actually we're yeah, i'm,

but i think the there are components now with the new republican polity. and also amongst the lead, generally in america to concede the things ongoing. that's one of those blogs and things con, continue as the interest to go to the bank, and that's the rationale to keep spending money. well, if it's not working out right, then we have to spend more money. that's the logic. now once we pick the life me up to the, i think i think enough people are waking up to, to have to realize that that's not real estate. we count repeats of kind of stuff. you know, i mean, the absolute to policy of, of kind of done how it was presented to the american public. i'm reality off it, you know, the corruption behind the 2 trillion dollars have been if you spend in a new games, the one from those contracts, we don't want you to get. and i think that's a great through those steps of now, which is growing and america, i'm just a couple days ago for the policy. publish an article which question the morales of ukraine. well, no, it wasn't really. i hit job own zalinski or ukraine, but i mean, it was hardly anything in the piece which actually articulate to that line. but the

fact that like a run, i had learned that the fact that it could actually suggest that it's hot now to make these morale stand up the case for the credit and credit. and we'll, you know, i think that's gaining, i think was a mentioned and um, you know, unless you didn't have an easy time in america this time. you know, honestly i agree with george then when he, when he mentioned that to him, that the agent really took a particular swipe at the polls. but he is beginning to panic because he's realizing that when the poll was mentioned that they wouldn't phone anymore. i don't think it was serious. i think what i was saying, what the, what he was saying, the prime minister was that to him. we can't do in a short time. we have to re um ourselves. that is the same case for many, many western european countries. their homes stokes, on very, very low. you know, i'd like to do it before we go to the break george of ukraine. there is no long term this only now, george. yes, isn't it now?

and, and that's really the image with the elections, politicians of loan to be very clever when it comes to the election. so it may go right noises when it goes to election. and then afterwards, it's all over member, when in 2018, you know, for 2 years the democrats have been binding on about trump and russian refer, refer, refer, refer rusher and then it was time for mid terms. suddenly everybody talked about health care health care. and that was going to help the selections, what health care health care help can no one mentioned russia. democrats, one boom back to russia is the very good that they know what the boat is. all they know voters have turned on by talk about rupture. there was no boat you that make, you know, they knew the, the, the pressure pressure rush is always on the back burner because it's going to be pulled out again. obviously in the next election cycle. jennifer, i'm gonna have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our to the,

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the well, the back across software, all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is the home edition 3 mind you were discussing some be on this the okay, let's go back to martin america's. it's already been mentioned in this, in our program here is a really well i was gonna say some of what maybe not so subtle change of narrative . so basically it's to pro, the way i see and stilton bird again, either as a gaffe or, or he was intentionally cited, but he just admitted. yeah, this, the, the russians went into your crime because of nature expansion. very explicit about it. okay. you can't misinterpreted that. and then george took the wind out of my sales book saying it's all about china. so it's really interesting. so you don't have to, there's a, you don't have to say that there's no moral ground anymore. it's not about

democracy. it's about had gemini, though they don't use that word, but that's exactly what it is. and so since a project ukraine, well, it's not exactly working out as planned, but it's part of the larger picture because we have to fight the russians in ukraine. if we want to be safe from china, it's a, it's a logical extension to keep the of the, the current narrative of having a new cold war. and this time it's russia and china together. martin. yeah, i'm switching the fold. it is a locate which doesn't really at all, you know, we have the same problem and in america is we have in britain and, you know, we want to do great trade for china. we want to get close to the china. and yet, every now and again, it suits all needs to do, even though there's china and to say these, they're very fiery, i'm things against the show i need to shine is having a hard time at the moment. the economy isn't games as well as it showed us affecting a lot of people. but this idea that we got a war with china is some, it's more, it's very well,

right. and because that seems to be the only way that the west conch ariel with a cheryl to carry on with some destruction. the vote is away from the biggest subjects to pick a needs at home and keeping the corruption go and keeping the racket down. cause will, is a reckon, you know, but when we, when we ever get the, i'm not sure. i think there's a lot to be done. so i thought mean that this idea um that was this very in century quotes from the department of ship out there that you can bring in the tronic my, you know, it reminded me of the choke, hopefully, of the wealthy businessman who was only york with his wife and his girlfriend to us and for that also. and he throws the rope to his mistress and he's off laser. why? and he said, well, because the wife would understand it. i'm trying to watch the relationship is interviewed. credit is either if we go through the roku, you kind of, you know,

what all the loyalty is now with about is it to its own people, its own demographic. also, it has all the big on your opinion project to it's a little crackly. it's not just the opponents lack of support, a lot less to support for new credit was also lack of respect to reverence. who was that you go check. they've just just dismissed this, but this of the lifting of the phone on a, you a grand, you know, they're just, you know, they're in love. we so we kind of it a number of these, your pin union countries, just do their own thing when it suits them. and i think the whole issue about pulling them out is withdrawing the spotlight on a new subject. we're just going to resonate with other member states as well, which is a know who comes 1st. is it the people of the member state, or is it the loyalty to fidelity to this big project, which is by much an experimental one. but a unit is, this is about boats as a citizen, this is, you can get more groceries to this. it's about, you know, keeping it. but the dilemma is here, but there's the dilemma i,

i think it's spot on when it comes to the, you know, i'm going to go to george now split. poland doesn't want to lose. um, its a sending position within nato because this, it's very important that they're going to be finding the brussels about justice reform. it all, you know, all these, you know, that's the, that's, that's not, that's not going to change. but usually for the, the nature of storm policy imperatives will truck. okay. and the polls know that that's why they come, you know, they control shade every once in a while, but down there and building to replace, you know, replace germany and france has a top of the totem pole in nature. that's absolutely right. i think that's, that's the key. same thing among the polish leaders. that's why they don't really care that much about the farmers except that there's an election coming up and they have to pay attention to that. otherwise they're not about that. but they have a big a deal political agenda which is to restore colon 2. it's

a glory to be the leading power on governmental europe. um and it's not that difficult. now germany just seems to be faded away. i mean, sergeant schultz is, i have no way to be saved. i'm really in a bad buck. i mean, was a flaming certainly wasn't. he wasn't seen at the general assembly. well, you know, he was no, no am to say they were little. i couldn't bite. and speak so you know, there's not no one there. so, um, so it is a, i'm in the, in a babel up was the same and as far on policy, my hall instead of all over the place is one thing one day. and it makes like bowling is explicitly saying we are the leading power on the continental europe, and we are america's leading top here. so if america wants to go on exhausting its influence over europe, come to us, come to come to work. so, you know, is it where it is that it's really a brilliantly dovetails into what's for bo, which politicians have said that ukraine should not consult poland. okay, is wide in mind. but what you're saying?

because pull it is rep, presenting the, the hedge above. we are the name of the voice there. and if you want to get, if you give respect to the united states, you must give it to us. ok. not that if it's earned or anything, but we're standing, we're kind of way and then they weren't very clear. ok. martin, do the same thing here. you know, again, this is, i don't, i don't think politicians in eastern europe care about their farmers. i think they all care about where they are in the pecking order of the you, nato, are construct, okay, because they're all looking for the next job above. i mean, you know, what happened of the vin check. okay. i mean, the people who bought. okay, so i think it's, this is more of a geopolitical play and to show that, you know, you can't mess with poland, you know. and then i think of because of course, some of them watching is calling zelinski people and telling them don't, don't assume them in the world trade organization and things like that. it's

counterproductive. but it's kind of like in the soprano 0, tony everyone's allowed to show he's, you know, he's the boss more. that's a sure. that's a good to me. i love this a brand new. the 2nd. all right, well the moving aside from the surprise, i think that the best thing that i, i take away from this, the thing that sticks with me is the, the messages from po whether they are genuine or whether they're just pop full. um, just to go into people's lives, the messages in the future, the best scenario is the we will reduce the funding to the your time will reduce. so i'm going to respond to because we've got around problems of time. and i think if the, if the bill has stays empowered and it gets its coalition and order, it doesn't have to do any deals, it will have to pay some so that those farmers, you call, i think, you know, joe sourced, it suggests the, the, the, the this does not, there's nothing that to, to keeps them to keep to,

to put this for the, for the routing lead to actually stick to the problems. but that will be something it will have to be some way. but i think so the options are willing to reduce imagery, spending towards i'm going to share it towards you, credit or cut it will together, and that's where i think will be off to october. the 15th, that'll be some reaction. i think we can expect something from the poster. what can we expect from europe in union with you've got these renegade states like both of them to adjust literally, sticking to bring this up to the entire uh, you know, um, architecture, the opinion and everything that it stands for by, you know, disrespecting, these are you rules that congo on those to be a ration from europe in unit. i don't know. we'll see. i think give me nato membership is a very powerful position. george jump in. yeah, i think so. i then, when you say the rules when the you broke the rules in the 1st place by lifting the tires on the ukranian bray. and i mean, the whole point of the issue is the combination of

a cultural pause and the whole point of the common agricultural policy is to protect your being from those from cheap uh, food stuff from the rest of the world. so it was the you that 1st broke its own rules and everyone accepted this until the phone was rebel. the you came in, the switch makes you pay is bid for the you even hold it. yeah. the like, it's never going to be in the you and it's never going to be in nato. okay. or a gentleman more rapidly running out of time. the name of, of name is program zalinski watching zelinski, george citrix digit. uh, i found his address and the way getting crazy immediate presented it is. um, well it's, it's, it's just a textbook case. and really she bad propaganda. what am i saying? as zalinski, according to ukrainian television, i'd say what is addressing the general assembly, keywords in the audience, okay. he's pulled off something, but no one is ever done before being in 2 places at one time charge that this is

a remarkable, interesting lady was also in the account of the is addressing the problem and thing time of the and along side zelinski was a 98 year old, the old culture, who was fighting for ukraine in independence in world war 2. the newest guy, so breathless, explain, actually he was fighting for the nazis. so they went to canadians, let the ro is one of the bottles. c 98 years old. yeah. he was fighting for the nazis. i don't know whether they fully understood it or they just don't care. probably they just don't care anymore. well i, i don't think they know any more. okay. i, i display, you know, the me, it seems to me that the new generation of history is a rush. it was the great enemy during the 2nd world war. this is what they are priming of western audiences to believe all the rest of it. oh, that's just hollywood stuff martin. yeah, and i think unfortunately that's part of the use crack down on freedom of speech.

how it's making it harder and harder for journalists actually to the work and write the stories which tell the history as well, you know, and this has been something that was something going on for quite some time. and started years ago. i remember writing an article about the 1st um, the 1st discussions in the area at bonham and about about finding out to you know, how, how can we, we put all the out of the spotlight because the, you doesn't want anybody questionnaire. it's narrative. it doesn't want anybody asking the tough questions. it just wants basically a, a certain amounts of the media who are just following the, to the, the, the now to, i'm doing this don't overstate, you know, and i got out of the insurance is that the insurance thing is, is part of the pool and slip each other as well, it's just not the subject very close to my house, but there's no, you know, it's getting worse. the screws aren't tied to, you know, it's more channels to being arrested. no jealous of being and facing legal actions . but just simply reporting from the other side,

just for simply reporting on what russians do in it towards novels or even having a point of view. but what they don't, they want to, they don't want to admit george to give you less victims. i can say, i don't even want to admit there is another side, these issues go ahead your definitely they don't. and that's why they've now adopted all sorts of legislation. i mean, you're in the u. k. u of the online safety bill and they, in the, you, you have this online, the digital act, or whatever it's called, which is too bad. a speech that, you know, challenges the narrative. i mean, you can always wrap it always because we're buying a speech only where you know, where it goes, falls, narrative is riggins this information against russia. but essentially they want to make sure that the alternative viewpoints of suppressed as the case as heard here. that's all the time we have, gentlemen, i think my guess in america and in budapest where i think our view is for watching

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