my parents in russia, they remember that very well. my parents were students at that time and they were greeted presence, so caught them all in the street when he arrived to moscow and soon then the, the song that i on club 12 can also became very popular in rush shape was the to slate. this interruption in the media, i was still not on the easier. and when my father found out that that was going to be posted indonesia, the 1st thing he did, he sang the salt to ring a show at that time. i didn't know the song. so uh, varies this tradition of, uh, friendship and good relations. and uh, a similar to all the views of our 2 countries on the many issues. so the viewable agenda. uh there is a lot of things that we can do together. our economy is our complementary. uh,

there is a very good attitude from indonesian people to russia as to what we're doing also on the global arena. and of course, indonesia is the fantastic country and the so many russians go to bali. but there is so much more to indonesia than bali. and i hope that the russians will finally explore indonesia more and find out about indonesia. more you mentioned that already, of course indonesia and the soviet union had a history of very close cooperation in various theories to what extent to the more the indonesians remember appreciate the soviet assistance at what is being done to maintain this precious memory. unfortunately, i would say that the young generation, the new need you are not aware that the people, the older generation, they know,

and they still are very grateful. and they appreciated for all the systems of the soviet union render to indonesia. most of the people know about our contribution to say regarding the territorial integrity tubing donation, the sixty's, the pop point of provinces. but sometimes i ask young indonesians whether they're weird, the, the biggest bedroom into cars. it was billed by our country and they are not for of that one of the biggest hospitals in jakarta, the friendship hospital was also billed by country and for and she actually means friendship between indonesia and the soviet union. of course we're trying, i mean, the embassy, we're trying to do a lot to revise this memories. for instance, in the near future we're planning and we are organizing, uh,

uh, soccer matches and get a little boom card. and when we hold that, we can install a commemorative black on this building so that people leaving the cart that would know that it was built by the soviet union. but it's not enough. we can do much more. and of course, we need to make car people closer and our friendship stronger i'm, i'm absolutely confident that we can do that. you have been the russian investments, indonesia for more than 5 years in your opinion. what achievement, the 2 countries in terms of bilateral relations by electro cooperation should be specially product to, oh, well our relations have been on the rise, the for the less to 20 years, specially after president will be the media. i mean, go what just inquiring to who is the daughter of present,

so comfortable visited moscow in 2003, and met with president clinton us and then so we have since then we helping developing our corporation in different areas are tre, turn over, has been growing, we have some doing projects, again, it's strong enough. of course if we can see there are doing population no more there 400000000. we can do much more, but unfortunately, coffee and put everything on on stand by. so for 2 years it was a pause, i would say, but since then again the, the pace has been growing. we've been doing an active political dialogue between our 2 leaders. as you know, preston ducal rebuild the visited most co last year. uh, our president has spoken on the phone several times or the minutes till 4 and the for years of rush is 50 level physical to jakarta. uh,

4 times in the last 2 years. uh, on bilateral uh, visit, also for international meeting and for the, the indonesia was hosting. we have very good cooperation in the international. uh. org. is it any organization including the un? because our views on what is happening in the world are quite similar or, or close. uh we have um a, a good, a corporation in torres. we've seen an increase so, especially after the close of course increase over tourist arrivals to indonesia from russia. we have corporation in decay indications area right now, around $800.00 in the lesion. students are studying in different cities of russia and they will all become were

r. uh some boxes are oh, for russia to indonesia because uh, they all keep very good memories. so the times they spent in russian over the russian, friends, somebody when have brought whites or husbands. no, that is also humanitarian context for you. so a nice guys, it was. and what about the business? what areas us specifically attractive for russian indonesian interpreters? actually uh, since the change of do a political situation, we've seen an increase of interest from russian businesses towards the indonesian and there are few success stories for those. uh, uh, one of the of the biggest uh, companies that provides uh, online tech see services. uh,

actually they are from russia, so yeah, looks in this younger. no. no. its stopped. yeah. that similar its maxine betsy mux seems so in 7 to see days in indonesia you can see that see maxime, when maxime is the name of the founder it's, it's a success story. but of course, there are many areas i teach. first of all, the russian companies working here uh, energy including nuclear image, course of emulation government has not taken yet the political decision to include nuclear facilities the in their system. but it's a matter of time because indonesia use developing the very speedy pace, more than 5 parts per cent girl. so g d p per year. and of course that requires

a lot of energy. so nuclear energy would be one of the options. and we hope that whenever indonesian government will be ready to impute the new care options, uh they will, uh, they will actually, uh, a div us a chance to do that. a little soft, amazing contact with the relevant indonesian or forward two's. uh, especially uh, you know, the plans of indonesian government to transfer the capital to calling on them. and again, they will need a lot of energy there because they are also trying to plan it as the green seat is a smart cds. so you can or g office would be one of the option to goes into sense it's, it's a green energy, especially calling on them being the only area in indonesia that there's not prone

to us quakes, which is very important. of course. um your crowns building. um, infrastructure uh, pharmaceuticals. so the, the, there's a lot of area and agriculture products. next month. we're expecting a business mission from russia that will come with the not only with food products that we can explore to indonesia, but also technologies. and the indonesian side is very interested in technologies, of course. so that's what we can provide. that's what we can share. and we hope there will be even more interaction and coming back to human ties, indonesia is because on and today in wisdom country. and there is a significant muslim community in russia as well. how close

a do the followers of islam in indonesia and russia interact with each other? doesn't they? they always interaction between um uh, you slam communities in russia and indonesia, indonesian a person is a member of the um, group. uh uh, east lum rush, a substitute division, and he attends regularly the meetings of this group. he is one of the prominent members of the biggest, one of the biggest muslim organizations in indonesia and for he says he attended because on for him last year and the celebrations of the new vers through 100, $1100.00 anniversary of uh, uh, east lum coming to

a russia last year. we also had the visit by, uh, one of, uh, uh, the move to some move to come done. uh, who is, uh, the leader of one of the biggest, um, some organizations in russia. so uh, this connection has been established and i can tell you people in indonesia follow closely what is happening uh, in russia. uh, there is a big interest. how um, the slum, uh, and the muslims leaf. uh, i think here we, we share a similar to familiarity with the indonesia because both washing the nation have this tradition of, uh, uh, harmonic co existence of people from different uh, religions. uh so uh, also one of the places that the indonesian tours uh like to visit is the best um of

course uh it i've, i've also had, i've heard news that even there was uh, some couples that i wanted to get married there. so um, yes. do there is this the connection and, you know, people know for is those then when present twitching was integrating the cathedral most can moscow. he said that the russia in the sense is a muslim country and this is very well known and indonesia nice to invest. so that you just mentioned is specific to political situation that we have right now in the world due to russia, ukraine conflict. and there was a server recently conducted by an analyst from a local indonesian company. and they found out that many indonesians expressed their support actually for russia's special news, reparation in ukraine,

and at the same time, site and negative approach to nato. and in general, to the western narrative and western approach and understanding of the conflict. did these discoveries surprise you? well, that is to uh, shop, in the sense yes, when the conflict started, when are a special mil to approach has taught to? of course, we were wondering how people react when you about the official reaction or decline martha, which was not very pro russian to put it mildly, they cost what cost pulse or the general assembly resolution, which was very uh, the custom to condemn the russians in question. and so that the reaction of the people was quite different. uh, there is a trend which continues up to now in the social media when people say or are in

the support of russia. they say what i put in or just what i owe when even when they see the car of the messenger with the russian slides a quite what i in the streets. and the, the reason for that. i think there, uh, several, several reasons. uh for that uh, 1st of all, as we mentioned, the traditions of corporation and friendship that exist between our 2 countries, the memories of how our country supported indonesia. and it's quite to gays, to colonialism and how we help to ensure their territorial integrity. that's one thing. know the other thing that is personal popularity of present put to strong liter. very popular. uh then you saw i'm

a factor when people here i was, i mention that they follow what, what is happening? how much students leave in russia when they see on social media, the muslims in russia support the policy present to, to it's, it's very important for them. uh uh, another reason of course, is the, the end to american and, and to colonial feelings that people have here. i'm still strong. uh, they are still existent, i will say, because there's 2 people, a life who, with those with their own eyes. what happened here? forrest is 9045. 1949. when the dutch i try to get a new media back and when they killed hundreds of 1000 people here and also the

policies, n t, a mostly man is from a public policy. so the united states, that's also that, that gives this negative feeling to indonesian people. so this, this combination of a re spell and of course, the work of them. but we know, i know i'm not claiming the best, the main reasons, but you do it well. i can tell you that since the beginning of the uh, special new tool portion i gave $100.00 into use because there is a demand here to know our, our position. and what i say it's, it's, it's broadcast. it's, it's, it's not, uh, you know, hidden somewhere or forbidden or, or whatever. so,

um an m p m. and we, we noticed the people are listening to the other were watching at you and, you know, sometimes industry, they say ok. and that's sort of, we've seen your on home t and we're like what your say. and that is very important because the why those big boss, the unfortunate because the housing commission, indonesia language, but still the message gets to because people are willing to listen. what do they like, particularly from the well, the, probably the explanation, you know, what was the cause of the conflict about it felt about the crane. basically ukraine is the victim and the situation and not the victim whole prussian aggression. but the victim of western policies that use ukraine is an instrumental

against against russia. so, uh and it, it rings a bell. you know, it's this and 2 colonial feelings that people, indonesia is to have. they make them understand. i show it because of russia, ukraine conflict. unfortunately, you said that you are as far but still we see attends in europe to cancel the russian culture. by banning works of arts and demolishing monuments. have you ever had a chance to speak to your indonesian colleagues about that? what is the situation with the russian culture here? do they condemn these actions back in europe or they are not to worry about them? they're not, they're much aware of, uh, an example that is closer to to indonesian realities, you know, when the alterations taught to the european investors here of the, the south of,

to ignore me, complete a making of, you know, pretending they don't know me the, or even walking out of the room where i had and actually it's such, it was such a show of disrespect not to me, but to indonesian f plus for us. so is there is an event organized by indonesians, the cultural events and the messrs. are invited. of course they come and then like, people are running called from the room and the indonesian friends are saying, what, what's that? and when i'm explaining why it happens, he was there on bass and there's, there's supposed to be diplomatic. truth is a book, a police talk the so the, the reaction, no flow of you or it's, it's the, it's, it's, this is the, you know, nation is

a totally different story. people here of one to have a chance to the get samples health russian culture. unfortunately, uh, 1st because of coffee now, because of other problems, we don't have much possibilities to uh, organize concerts or tours, but still we have movies that we can show with the embassy. we're also trying to organize concerts, etc, etc. so uh, i'd love to have for is, is russian valley here because so many indonesians told me that they would love to see russian valley. i can tell you that here they are a couple or even more, a very, very good and very professional orchestra. they play russian news,

they play to cost to they play it off money in of, of so the russian culture is not council to the here. it's appreciated. and a, 2 years ago for us, those we know you're a to the, the monument for you to go got in. and one of the public parking lot indonesia. nice. and what was the indonesian reaction to this behavior of the european investors? and they were amazed, big older than outraged, i would say, because 1st they could understand, you know, indonesians are people who are very polite and very nice. so this kind of diplomatic behavior for them it's, it's something that shouldn't happen this. yeah, it's actually rude. absolutely, would that. yeah, and i know it's a, in some countries they were cases off. the western and bassett is going to foreign

ministry of the country. they were in and convincing them to cut the relations with the rush at all or to problems we condemn them. or if there is a visit, all the russians allegation, not to take picture with them. was there anything like this happened over year or so, of course, especially when indonesia was cheering. did you 20 all of. what do you mention happen here, but uh, indonesian partners didn't give in. and uh, we really appreciate their position that just went to shouldn't be a place to have this political bottles. it's a place to resolve a we'll the economic financial problems that are numerous and they didn't give in to this pressure and they manage to come out with

the joint declaration. and it's in the big extend, thanks to indonesian diplomacy, our, our president has sent to come to congratulate you a message to president of jacoby, due to the success of the indonesian presidency in g 20. and also the chairman ship of indonesian us young uh was quite successful. but so we see there are many attempts from the so called collective west to put many countries included in the news to include in india that we're just saying, i do $22.00. that was held in new dally, those countries up with between a rock and a hard place. i mean, what do you think about it and what your indonesian colleagues think about it? i mean, they managed, they just like resisted but it takes so much time and effort and

energy. i mean, and you said they were not, they weren't not happy with the situation of course. and they opened the state of the, there was a lot of pressure from uh, western countries on, on many issues. and uh, yes, they were uh, uh, visits to the ministry of foreign affairs and 2 other uh, indonesian officials to prevent any contacts with the russian delegations. no photo, who with the russian delegations, no, no photo with me also hold on on, on doing the events. uh and of course, uh, indonesia and partners are not happy with this situation, but they are trying to do a balance balancing act of course is quite understandable. because of the trade to earn over or investment from united states or your opinion union is,

is quite considerable. so for me and to call them, it's quite important to keep the uh, working relations with uh, with this uh, countries. but we feel that their, uh, the, the stronger indonesia gets uh, the more irritated indonesians are barred. bisnel colonial pressure, for instance. now the european union is putting pressure in indonesia to export pearl, nicole, which they, they, they band, the exports overall nickel because what they want to do, they want to process it here in the new nation and then sell a more expensive the process product to other countries, there's so much pressure in indonesia not to do so. just to export cheap,

ro nicole and of course it's, it's, it's a now clause elizabeth. and now they are saying it openly that they are gains bisnel colonial practices. both russia and indonesia have a long history of fights and terrorists and what is the level of end to terry's cooperation between moscow in jakarta? does this is one of the areas of cooperation that we haven't. we have contacts between no or, or relevant agency. we also have this mechanism, old, regular consultations between our security council and the coordinating ministry for political and security. for years of indonesia, on the regular basis of the general populace, just meet with the minister of my food in they discuss all the issues

pertaining to security including terrorism, of course. so that is one of the important um, forms to, to discuss this. um, you should also we uh share uh, similar views on, uh, uh, international organizations on uh, terrorism and we support each other so. so yes, there was interaction going on between like 2 kinase. very important, of course, because tourism cannot be eliminate to just to buy it for so one country it's, it's joint effort then bass of the i guess that in current turbulence, do political situation the role of brushing them. this is everywhere in the world, including indonesia, in building bridges or keeping bridges between the sides is crucial. so i wish you good luck and success and your mission. thank you so much. thank you.

the as soon as 2060 numerous monuments to serve as soldiers in poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed or vandalized as fish, their stuff by pharmacy, certainly within your muscle or even some others could ask if i really feel that most of them at the age express, almost 3 of the police government denies the rule of, so it'd be of soldiers in the victory of a naziism. and is it raising historical memories of world war 2? because the 40 percent your story, although it did seem the non c regimes, the trustees would remain, thinks in people's consciousness, but have a but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends,

you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost. yes. yeah. i don't think i'm totally, yeah, i'll provide i need to see thing because of the facts. do i need october 30th. the, [000:00:00;00]

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