the tone was taken, is it a softening of its own present not only did make reference with respect to armenia, saying that this is an opportunity that our media show to take this. all the brands essentially emphasizing the importance of how this would essentially serve as an opportunity. so it's a question of whether president or the one is softening his tone. whether he is essentially delaying the inevitable. it's unclear but what they did agree and focus on today between the the 2 leaders. they did agree on ensuring that infrastructure was established, railroads energy, as well as the in operation of, of the new pipeline that would essentially connect azerbaijan, a natural gas to, to our, to add, in a sense to the rest of europe and essentially help building churches authority and becoming a hub for energy. but one of the more important factors here was of course, the recent developments over this past week at the start of the up or the military operation by the opposite page on the side of the seas by which came with

a 24 hours and paced talks and another topic that was expected to be on the agenda was what president are to and mentioned as a u n. j. this past week, which was about turkey, a wants to become a part of this try lateral process, given just how close the ticket is to us, are they jobs? there was no mention of that either. so it makes the question, why was this not mentioned? and just when will this be brought up again now, as opposed to the huge last in the city of content in the corner turned back region advisor? 5 john explosion apparently a code at a petrol station. news outlets report to the $100.00 ton of fuel time 10 months have blown up. they also say that at least $200.00 people, levine, injured. it's not clear what could have caused the bloss, which comes to stays off to receive 5, came into force in the region for the 24 hour military operation. fine as the by time will keep you fully updated on the latest you can find out more details of the old a story. sometimes the more on the website, all t dot com and well the thought was more than 30 minutes.

the hello and welcome across the top were all things are considered ideal about western solidarity which you brain, particularly in eastern europe, is being tested at the flood of cheap ukrainian grain into the u. as in raged farmers and terrified politicians facing the voters. ukraine is behaving like a drowning man willing to take down their so called friends if they have to the

to discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess. martin j america sees and award winning, journalist and commentator. and in budapest we cross the door to 70. well, it is a pond cast, right? the guy goal, which we found on youtube and locals, are gentlemen across socrates effect. that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with jump at george in budapest. well, it's not so happy in the caribbean. family right now, particularly nato world here, over the last few new cycles. basically, you know, uh without tremendous fact. but with the, the play, including the balls and the ukrainians. but also what's on your incidence lubarski and about brussels, a policy of importing or allowing ukrainian grain into the european markets, which of course effects the, the eastern part of it. most poland does come up with some spire re language. what a difference, a few of what a difference green can make. george

a great candidate to make a lot of difference. particularly if you have an election in the ego being go bingo . exploit. so is this a flash in the pan, or is this something you have this thing that is a flash in the pan simply because um the bonus of people uh, by no means uh in fluids about this? well, i mean that way, the polish electra it is very similar to the european and the american electra. this is a rule that has been foisted up on them. and now there is a 3rd party, but there is a motion on the scene of the confederate policy that is opposed to explicitly opposed to opponents involved in your crime. so um, have you had skate the, you know, the leader of the lord, justice bar to knows that he's in a lot of trouble and he's suddenly playing the police. national is got the name or

weapon reserve on it was only what am i phoned isn't sending anymore weapons, but he didn't say that bowling will cease translating web on some elsewhere the ukraine. so he's just saying something he's not going to do, which he's not doing any way. i don't have a error, it goes back to something has said many, many times here. i mean, this project is in the lead project. i mean, there's just no enthusiasm anywhere for this war and, and everything off to the election and, you know, whoever wins whether it's a $26.00, you know, civic platform, body or, or more i guess is lower. joseph bodies both will continue as before because nature will continue as before and what's it? what's it also remember that at the latest secretary general was in new york the other day. and these come up with a new ration now for a while. they continued when you're great,

it's all about china. that's it's all about china. we have to find in ukraine because wayne hodge can either barge can either read my mind to read my notes, but thanks have a good a stores that always happens to meet with you martin. this is busy in the same vein here. i mean squared. we're beginning to see ruptures here, domestic politics is um, colliding with the foreign policy imperatives. they'd come from brussels in washington and the polls are on the front of the line and they're literally on the front line here because i lived there for a long time. i lived there for over a decade and, but when you don't annoy the farmers, okay, you just simply don't do that and they're making their voice are larger. a part of the country that has a huge agricultural set of voters which need to be taken into account and that one thinks of problems as well and a few other countries. yeah, i think the story is interesting one, because on this show that we've all been asking us to those and the reason for your mother to know what is the type of point where uh the,

the big cracks that will emerge in this coalition. and um, some was estimated countryside person where this went to the government was just announced that it's not going to continue the aging subsidies for votes for older people. what's gonna slash them quite dramatically so that there's also another um fracture. i think in the credibility of the whole project, but this seems to be a tipping point. it seems to be that even if we don't take the rhetoric serious and even if we say look, okay, it's an election. and um, you know, this, the, the, the pos policy needs to p law slopes is from the fall, right? you know, who i'm opposing the war. if we go beyond the narrative and just dismiss it simply as you know, fire re tool to get the boat has done, but doesn't bug well. even if it isn't a narrative because the narrative resume is still an awful lot of people. and i don't the question now the leaders will be ask themselves on the evolution brussels particularly stuff on the land who must be literally

a pulse right now. worry whether this whole thing kind of really altogether because she's got your people election smell just in 2024 and one is the police story tell us. it tells us that there was not democratic process whatsoever for the claim to. nobody was consulted. you know, and you know, he, with the most hotline and supporters of the project, i don't have to admit this, knowing that this oriels and in the coming days, you know, and this is what you get when you don't consult people, when you consult the masses. and it becomes a lead has project. finally, they get the side of a you. now we'll be looking at this and realizing can we contain this? if it's just upon only know it, could we have a rogue state? oh, no, not contributing any more. but, you know, allow me anybody else to go through it and i need to help transportation thing. i don't think they can, but even if they felt was that they could contain it. you know, it's going to be a diverse slippery slope now for the you running up to 2024 european bond much

elections. where do you find will, will be the only thing in town that will be the binary vote yes. on i in church, i mean a lot of this, you know, things be, but it's heavy rhetoric, binary rhetoric, in a lot of it's being directed zalinski himself. i mean, when he was at the united nations, i mean, you know, he's the panhandle learn cheap and he dislikes, you know, he feels that he has a privilege position because washington and london and brussels back came up. so he gave me a, he is not getting the hip it to him. i think that's really getting me like where a lot of the x from the, from the polls. i agree with george. i think this is a flash in the pan. it's this get through this election here. there's going to be no major change, of course, but the, the, the optics of it is, you know, as lensky can uh, call the tune and every one taps that doesn't go down well, particularly when you're facing motor storage. no, it doesn't, it, but you're absolutely right about the, let's get,

let's keep in mind what is it asking may, his speech of the un general assembly? it's all to in general about european so when it's a sufficient be supportive of you, but it is a single out the polls. i mean, suppose big was 5 and said, oh is the lens is affecting us. the lens is accusing us of being the kremlin cats bull so absorbing you. that's why i think it's of less than the 5 biggest problem. pick this 5 names. the landscape said colon this of this, then you can say, oh, what does that means? we started with phone and nobody saw that it with a view to this election. but then the, the other thing you have to get to keep in mind is that what, what else has been going on, but we have now these attacks on. so that's the poll. um ms. uh, this is the lease, uh, this uh, delivered by the u. k, which were very controversial when, when the okay decided to deliver these messages. and it was blended directed by the americans. i mean, it was an american, regardless of the aircraft in the vicinity. so essentially the americans with

directing this attack. so you say, okay, you know, we can have a lot about bowling and so that's good. well, what else is going on? i'm at extension america is attacking ro to the territory. it's not a, this is even a longer attacking the don't bass related to, i think russian territory. that's a very serious business. and again, as we talk many times before, something's going to break it because the economy don't want to rush. if you know about russians themselves, see that we are being attacked here by the americans. i mean, do you know how, how long can we tolerate this? well, and also i think, quickly see with the zalinski is less than stellar visit to the united states. of course, he was addressing the general assembly, but he did meet with american politicians. josh crawley came out of a um, behind closed doors, a meeting with zelinski and or a with a, it was, oh, it was an internal,

a congressional meeting as i'm in sky when it happened later. but um, i mean, he came out and said, um this is it forever war? i mean they're not giving is that now like telling us, you know, if we expand this and expand that then we'll get this. he said, no, we're just gonna keep spending. no, josh, all we need is an outlier right now in american politics. it's not gonna change the outcome of the $24000000000.00 vote. they will go through mccarthy as usual caves on everything. but i mean, joshua holly is saying the quiet part out loud. martin is a, this is a, everything is going exactly to play and actually we're yeah, and um, but i think there are components now with the new republican polity. and also amongst the lead, generally in america to concede the things ongoing. that's one of those blogs and things con, continue as the interest to go to the bank, and that's the rationale to keep spending money. well,

if it's not working out right, then we have to spend more money. that's the logic. now once you pick the life me up to the, i think i think enough people are waking up to, to have to realize that that's not real estate. we count repeats of kind of stuff. you know, i mean, the absolute to policy of, of kind of done how it was presented to the american public. i'm reality off it, you know, the corruption behind the 2 trillion dollars of industry spending and the who games the one from those contracts. we don't want you to get and i think that's a great through those steps of now, which is growing and america, i'm just a couple days ago for the policy. publish an article which question the morales of ukraine. well, no, it wasn't really. i hit job own zalinski or ukraine, but i mean, it was hardly anything in the piece which actually articulate to headline. but the fact that like a run, the headline and the fact that it could actually suggest that it's hot. now to make these morale stand up the case for the credit and credit and we'll, you know, i think that's gaining, i think with them i mentioned. and um, you know, unless you didn't have an easy time in america this time, you know, honestly,

i agree with george then when he, when he mentioned that to him, that the agent really took a particular swipe at the polls. but he is beginning to panic because he's realizing that when the pose mentioned that they wouldn't found anymore, i don't think it was serious. i think what i was saying, what the, what he was say, the prime minister was that to him. we can't do in the short term. we have to re um, ourselves. that is the same case for many, many western european countries. their homes stokes on very, very low. you know, i'd like to do it before we go to the break george of ukraine. there is no long term this only now, george. yes, isn't it now? and um, and that's really the image with the elections. politicians of loan to be very clever when it comes to election. so it may go all right, noises when it goes to election and then off to it's, it's all over moment when in 2018, you know, for 2 years the democrats have been binding on about trump and russian refer,

refer, refer, refer rusher and then it was time for mid terms, suddenly everybody talked about health care, health care and that was going to help the selections, what health care health care help can no one mentioned russia. democrats, one boom, back to russia is the very good that they know what the boat is when they know both of the turned off by talk about rocks. it tells you that like, you know, they use the, the, the pressure pressure brush is always on the back burner because it's going to be pulled out again, obviously in the next election cycle. gentlemen, they have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our to the, the, mostly, the creatures, the rush,

it said, call the metal to post and you have to bill for the accident was called the try your soul to boston where you have to go, you know, 15 is sleep called forget them. yes, don't leasing. what does it mean it's, it's close to enough to lift the heavy as people move on. the truck will soon us probably need to mount major. do you want us to mass or does that mean? oh, yes, good canada because ox. yeah. bush. that's good unless we the dentist is a lot a 42 point my adults with yes of us, but i thought of body boy, new basel. but i'd be calling them just lama for a buick. nobody a be here to do own pretty it the that's what but it was playing punk. sheila suddenly like shut about 2 hours that seemed pretty into it till everyone continental the

welcome back. across the dock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is the home editions remind you. we're discussing some be on this the okay, let's go back to martin america's. it's already been mentioned in this, in our program here is a really well i was gonna say some of my maybe not so subtle change of narrative. so basically it's to pro, the way i see in stilton bird. again, either as a gaffe or, or he was intentionally excited, but he just admitted. yeah, this, the, the russians, when do you crime because of nato expansion. very explicit about it. ok, you can't misinterpret that. and then george took the wind out of my sales, but the safe is all about china. so it's really interesting. so you don't have to,

there's, you don't have to say, okay, there's no moral ground anymore. it's not about democracy. it's about had gemini, though they don't use that word, but that's exactly what it is. and so, since a project ukraine, well, it's not exactly working out as planned, but it's part of the larger picture because we have to fight the russians in ukraine. if we want to be safe from china, it's a, it's a logical extension to keep the of the, the current in narrative of us having a new cold war. and this time is russia and china together. martin? yeah, i'm switching the fold. it is a locate which doesn't really at all, you know, we have the same problem and in america's we have in brooks and you know, we want to do great trade for china. we want to get close to china. and yet, every now and again, it suits on needs to deem another china and to say, these very fiery things against russian. i need to try is having a hard time at the moment the economy isn't going, as well as it showed us affecting a lot of people. but this idea that we got

a war with china is some, is worries. all right, well right, because that seems to be the only way that the west con, carry on with the sure on the carry on with, i'm distracting the voters away from the biggest subjects, the bigger needs at home and keeping the corruption go and keeping the racket going because well is a rocket, you know, but what we, what we would get the, i'm, i'm not sure i think there's a lot to be done. so i thought mean this idea um that was this very in century quotes from, from the department of ship out the ukraine, bringing that around it. my, you know, it reminded me of the joke, hopefully opposite wealthy businessman and he was only your, with his wife and his girlfriend to us and forwarded to the law sir. and um, he throws the rope to his mistress and he's off legs. why? and he said, well, because the wife would understand good, i'm trying to watch the presentation ship is because, you know, if we can just throw the roku you can do you know where all the loyalty is now with

uh, other than down is it to its own people its own demographic also it has all the big uh you're paying junior and project to this little crack is not just the opponents lack of support. elect less to support for new credit was also lack of respect to reverence. who was that you go check? they've just just dismissed this, but this, the lifting of about on a, you a grand, you know, the just, you know, the, we still would kind of it a number of these, your pin union countries just do their own thing when it suits them. and i think the whole issue about pulling them out is withdrawing the spotlight on a new subject. we're just going to resonate with other member states as well, which is a know who comes 1st. is it the people of the member state, or is it the loyalty to fidelity to this big project, which is by much an experimental one, but a unit is, this is about votes. as i said, this is, this is you can't get more groceries to this. it's about, you know,

keeping it but then the dilemma is here, but there's the dilemma i, i think the spot when it comes to the, i'm going to go to georgia now. but poland doesn't want to lose. um, its a sending position within nato because this is very important that they're going to be finding that brussels about justice reform it all, you know, all these, you know, that's the, that's, that's the, that's not going to change. but usually before the end, the nato is foreign policy imperatives. will truck, okay. and the polls know that that's why they couldn't, you know, they control said every once in a while, but um they were in building do replace, you know, replace germany and france has a top of the totem pole in nature. that's absolutely right. i think that's, that's the key thing thing among the polish leaders. that's why they don't really care that much about the problem is except that there's an election coming up and i have to pay attention to that. otherwise they're out about that. but they have a big a geo political agenda, which is to restore poland to its glory,

to be the leading power on governmental europe. um and it's not that difficult. now, germany just seems to have completely faded away. i mean, sergeant schultz is, i have no way to be safe. i'm really in a bad bach. i mean with a flaming certainly wasn't. he wasn't seen at the general assembly. well, you know, he was no, no him to say the really like when biden speak. so, you know, there's no one there so, um, so it is be, and i'm in the, in a babel up was the same and as foreign policy, my host of all over the place is one thing. one day that makes a problem is explicitly saying we are the leading power on the continental europe, and we are america's leading top here. so if america wants to go on exhausting its influence over europe, come to us, come to come to worst. so, you know, is it where it is that it's really a brilliantly dovetails into what's per bowl,

which politicians have said that ukraine should not insult poland. okay. is right in line with what you're saying because poland is representing the, the hedge amount. we are the name of the voice there, and if you want to get, if you give respect to the united states, you must give it to us. okay? not that if it's earned or anything but we're stand, it worked out a way and then they weren't very clear. ok, well martin, do the same thing here. you know, again a, this, the, i don't, i don't think politicians in eastern europe care about their farmers. i think they all care about where they are in the pecking order of the you, nato, are construct. okay. because they're all looking for the next job. the book. yeah. i mean, you know, what happened to the been check. okay. i mean, the people who bought, okay, so i think it's, this is more of a geo political play and, and to show that, you know, you can't mess with poland, you know. and then i think of the cause, of course, when somebody's been watching is calling zelinski is people and telling them to,

you know, going to soothe them in the world trade organization and things like that. it's counterproductive, but it's kind of like in the soprano tony everyone's allowed to show he's, you know, he's the boss more sure. that's a good job. i love this, a brand new. the 2nd. all right, well the moving aside from the surprise, i think that the thing that i, i take away from this, the thing that sticks with me is the, the messages from po whether they are genuine or whether they're just pub full. um, just to go on people's the, it's the messages the in the future. the best scenario is the we will reduce the funding to your time will reduce some interest spending because we've got around problems of time and life thing. if the, if the pos stays empowered and it gets its coalition and order, it doesn't have to do any deals, it will have to pay some so that those farmers, you call. i think general joe sort of suggest the, the, the, the, this does not,

there's nothing that to, to keeps them to keep to, to, to put this for the, for the ruling elite to actually stick to that problems. and then what we something will have to be solved by i think. so the options are we on to reduce imagery spending towards i'm going to share it towards you credit or cut it will together, and that's where i think will be off to october. the 15th, it will be some reaction. i think we can expect something from the post and what can we expect you to be in union with you've got these renegade states like pound it into a just literally sticking to bring this up to the entire uh you know, um, architecture, the opinion and everything that it stands for by, you know, disrespecting these are you rules that congo on those to be a ration from europe in unit. i don't know. we'll see. i think to be nato membership is a very powerful position. george jump in. yeah, i think so. then when you say the rules when the you broke the rules in the 1st place by lifting the tablets on a ukrainian brain,

i'm in the whole point of the is the common angry cultural pause. and the whole point of the common agricultural policy is to protect your being from those from cheap uh, food stuff from the rest of the world. so it was the you that 1st broke its own rules and everyone accepted this until the farm is rebel. the ukrainian, the switch makes you pay is bid for the you even hold it. yeah. the lovely. it's never going to be in the you and it's never going to be in beta. okay. alright gentlemen, we're rapidly running out of time. the name of, of name is program. so lensky watching zelinski, george citrix digit. uh, i found his address and the way getting crazy and media presented it is, um, well it's, it's, it's just a textbook case. and really she bad propaganda. what am i saying? as the lensky according to ukrainian television? i'd say what does addressing the general assembly keywords in the audience. ok, he's pulled off something,

but no one has ever done before being in 2 places at one time. charge that this is a remarkable, interesting lady was also in canada. i was addressing the following thing, kind of the and along side zelinski was a 98 year old, the old codger who was fighting for ukraine in independence in world war 2. the news guy. so breathless explained, actually he was fighting for the nazis. so they went to the lady and let the ro is one of the but old mine 98 years old. yeah, it was white people, denazi's. i don't know whether they fully understood it or they just don't care. probably they just don't care anymore. well, i don't think they know any more. okay. i, i display, you know, the me, it seems to me that the new iteration of history is a rush. it was the great enemy during the 2nd world war. this is what they are priming of western audiences to believe all the read. it's a bit. oh, that's just hollywood stuff martin. yeah, and i think unfortunately that's part of the use cut down on freedom of speech,

how it's making it harder and harder for journalists actually to the work and write the stories which tell the history as well. you know, this has been something that was gonna be going on for quite some time and started years ago. i remember writing an article about the 1st um, the 1st discussions in the, the bottom on about, about dining on to, you know, how, how can we, we put all the out of the spotlight because the a, you doesn't want anybody questionnaire. it's narrative. it doesn't want anybody asking the tough questions or just wants basically a, a certain amounts of the media who are just following the to, to, to the, the, the now to, i'm doing this don't overstate, you know, and i think i was over the insurance is that the insurance thing is, is part of the pool and slip each other as well. it's just not the subject very close to my house, but there's no, you know, it's getting worse. the screws aren't tied to, you know, it's more channels to being arrested. no jealous of being and facing legal actions,

but just simply reporting from the other side just for simple reporting of what rushes to it towards novels or even having a point of view. but what they don't they want to, they don't want to admit george to give the last 15 seconds. they don't even want to admit there is another side to these issues. go ahead your, the, they don't, and that's why they have now adopted all sorts of legislation. i mean, you're in the u. k. u, of the online safety bill. and they, in the, you, you have this online, the digital act, or whatever it's called, which is too bad. a speech that, you know, challenges the narrative. i mean, you can always wrap it always because we're banding date speech or you know, where it goes, falls, narrative is right, gaines, this information against russia. but essentially they want to make sure that the alternative viewpoints uh suppressed as the case as heard here. that's all the time we have, gentlemen, i think my guess in america and in budapest where i think our view is for watching us here at our teach the next time we remember press stop rules, the

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