in the voters, ukraine is behaving like a drowning man willing to take down their so called friends if they have to the to discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess, martin j america sees an award winning journalist, and commentator. and in budapest we cross the door to 70. well, it is a pond cast, right? the guy goal, which can be found on youtube and locals, or a gentleman cross offerings effect. that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with jump at george in budapest. well, it's not so happy in the caribbean family right now, particularly nato world here, over the last few new cycles. basically, you know, uh without tremendous fact. but with the bullet, including the bowls and the ukrainians, but also with on your incidence lubarski and about brussels, a policy of importing or allowing ukrainian grain into the european markets,

which of course effects the, the eastern part of it. most poland does come up with some spire re language. what a difference a few of what a difference green can make george a great candidate to make it a little difference, particularly if you have an election in the you go being go bingo. exploit. so is this a flash in the pan, or is this something you have this thing that is a flash in the pan simply because um the bonus of people uh, by no means uh it includes the valve as well. and in that way, the polish electra it is very similar to the european and the american electra. this is a rule that has been foisted upon them. and now there is a 3rd party, but there is a motion on the scene of the confederate policy. that is opposed to explicitly opposed to opponents involved in your crime. so um, more of yet skate the,

you know, the leader of the law and justice body knows that he's in a lot of trouble. and he suddenly playing the police national is got the name or weapon reserve on it was only what if i phone isn't sending any more weapons videos, they didn't say that bowling will cease translating web them some elsewhere the ukraine. so he's just saying something he's not going to do, which he's not doing any way. i don't have a error, it goes back to somebody who has said many, many times here. i mean, this project is in the lead project. i mean, there's just no and susie as of anywhere for this war and, and the off to the election. you know, whoever wins whether it's a 26, you know, civic platform, body or, or more i guess is lower. joseph bodies both will continue as before because later we'll continue as before and what's it, what's it also remember that um the, the,

the nato secretary general was in new york the other day. and these come up with a new ration now for a while. they continued when you're great, it's all about china. that's it's all about china. we have to find in ukraine because language can either. birds can either read my mind to read my notes, but thanks have a good night. stores that always happens to meet with you. martin, this is busy in the same vein here. i mean squared, we're beginning to see ruptures. here, domestic politics is colliding with the foreign policy imperatives. they'd come from brussels in washington and the polls are on the front of the line and they're literally on the front line here because i lived there for a long time. i lived there for over a decade and, but when you don't annoy the farmers, okay, you just simply don't do that and they're making their voice are larger. a part of the country that has a huge agricultural set of voters which need to be taken into account and that one

thinks of problems as well and a few other countries. yeah, i think the story is interesting one, because on this show that we've all been offering else so. so the reason for your mother to know what is the 2nd point where all of the big cracks that will emerge in this coalition. and um, some was estimated countryside person where this went to the government was just announced that it's not going to continue the teaching subsidies for books. it's for older people, it's gonna slash them quite dramatically so that there's also another um fracture. i think in the credibility of the whole project, but this seems to be a tipping point. it seems to be that even if we don't take the rhetoric serious and even if we say look, okay, it's an election. and um, you know, this, the, the, the pos policy needs to p law slopes is from the file, right? you know who i'm opposing the war if will be on the narrative and just dismiss it simply as you know, 5 it took to get the boat has done,

but doesn't bug well even if it isn't a narrative because the narrative resume is still an awful lot of people and i don't the question now the leaders will be ask themselves on the evolution brussels particularly stuff on the land who must be literally a pulse. right now. worry whether this whole thing kind of really altogether because she's got your people election smell just in 2024. and what is the published story? tell us it tells us that there was no democratic process whatsoever for the claim to. nobody was consulted. you know, and you know, he, with the most hotline supporters of the project, i don't have to admit this knowing that this oriels and in the coming days, you know, and this is what you get when you don't consult people, when you consult the masses. and it becomes a lead has project. finally, they get the side of a you. now we'll be looking at this and realizing can we contain this? if it's just upon only know it, could we have a rogue state? oh, no, not contributing any more. but, you know,

allow me anybody else to go through it and i'm a need to hold transportation thing. i don't think they can, but even if they felt was that they could contain it. you know, it's going to be a diverse slippery slope now for the you running out to the 2024 european bottom entry elections. where do you find will, will be the only thing in town that will be the binary folks. yes. on i in church, i mean a lot of this, you know, they'd be, but it's heavy rhetoric, advisory rhetoric, in a lot of it's being directed zelinski himself. i mean, when he was at the united nations, i mean, you know, he's the panhandle learn cheap and he dislikes, you know, he feels that he has a privilege position because washington and london and brussels back came up. so he gave me a he is not getting a hipaa to 10. i think that's really getting me, but we're a lot of the x from the, from the polls. i agree with george. i think this is a flash in the pan. it's this get through this election here. there's going to be no major change, of course, but the, the, the optics of it is, you know,

as lensky can uh, call the tune and every one taps that doesn't go down well, particularly when you're facing boat or storage. no, it doesn't. it, but you're absolutely right about the landscape. let's keep in mind what is the last game may his speech of the un general assembly? it's all to in general about european so when it's um, a sufficient be supportive of you, but it is a single out the polls. i mean, suppose big was 5 and said, oh is that, let's get subtracting of the lens is accusing us of being the kremlin cats, bull. so episode the, that's why i think it's a flashing, the bad biggest polling. pick this 5 names, the landscape said colon this of this, then you can say, oh, what was the answer? you started a bit. paula. nobody saw that it with a view to this election. but then the, the other thing you have to get to keep in mind is that what, what else has been going on, but we have now these attacks on. so that's the poll. um, ms. uh, this was a lease, uh, this uh, delivered by the u. k. which were very controversial when,

when the u. k. decided to deliver these messages and it was blended directed by the americans. i mean, it was an american, regardless of the aircraft in the vicinity. so essentially the americans with directing this attack. so you say, okay, you know, we can have a lot about bowling and so that's good. well, what else is going on? i'm at extension america is attacking ro to the territory. it's not a, this is even a longer attacking the don't pass over there. it's, i think, russian territory, that's a very serious business. and again, as we talk many times before, something's going to break it because the congo on russia, if you're a pro wrestler themselves, see that we are being attacked here by the americans. i mean, do you know how, how long can we tolerate this? well, and also, i think, quickly see with the zalinski is less than stellar visit to the united states. the policy was addressing the general assembly, but they did meet with american politicians. josh crawley came out of a um,

um, um, behind closed doors, a meeting with zelinski and or whether it was, oh, it was an internal, a congressional meeting as i'm in sky when it happened later. but um, i mean, he came out and said, um this is it forever or, i mean they're not giving is that now like and telling us, you know, if we expand this and expand that then we'll get this. he said, no, we're just gonna keep spending. no, josh, all we need is an outlier right now in american politics. it's not gonna change the outcome of the $24000000000.00 vote. they will go through mccarthy as usual caves on everything. but i mean, joshua holly is saying the quiet part out loud. martin is a, this is a, everything is going exactly to play and actually we're yeah, and um, but i think there are components now with the new republican polity. and also amongst the lead,

generally in america to concede the things ongoing. that's one of those blogs and things co continue as the interest to go to the bank. and that's the rationale to keep spending money. well, if it's not working out right, then we have to spend more money. that's the logic. then once you pick the life me up to the, i think i think enough people are waking up to, to have to realize that that's not real estate. we count repeats of kind of stuff. you know, i mean, the absolute to policy of, of kind of done how it was presented to the american public. i'm reality off it, you know, the corruption behind the 2 trillion dollars have been if you spend in a new games, a new one from those contracts. we don't want you to get and i think that's a great through those steps to now, which is growing and america i'm just a couple days ago for the policy. publish an article which question the morales of ukraine will know. it wasn't really, i hit job own zalinski or ukraine, but i mean, it was hardly anything in the piece which actually articulate to headline. but the fact that like a run, i had learned the fact that it could actually suggest that it's hot. now to make

these morale stand up the case for the credit and credit and we'll, you know, i think not scanning, i think was i'm, i mentioned. and um, you know, unless you didn't have an easy time in america this time. you know, honestly i agree with george the when he, when he mentioned that to him, that the agent really took a particular swipe at the polls. but he is beginning to panic because he's realizing that when the pose mentioned that they wouldn't found anymore, i don't think it was serious. i think what i was saying, what the, what he was saying, the prime minister was that to him. we can't do it in a short time. we have to re um, ourselves. that is the same case for many, many western european countries. their homes stokes on very, very low. you know, i'd like to do it before we go to the break george of ukraine. there is no long term this only now, george. yes, isn't it now? and um, and that's really the image with the elections. politicians of loan to be very

clever when it comes to election. so it may go right noises when it goes to election and then off to it's, it's all low. but remember, when in 2018, you know, for 2 years the democrats have been binding on about trump and roster roster refer refer, refer rusher and then it was time for mid terms. suddenly everybody talked about health care health care. and that was going to help us elections what health care, health care help can no one mentioned russia. democrats, one boom, back to russia. is the very good that know they know what the boat is when they know both of the turned off, i told them at rupture, there was no boat. you that like, you know, they knew the, the, the pressure pressure rush is always on the back burner. because it's going to be pulled out again, obviously in the next election cycle gentlemen, they have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our to the it says there's a line you process on points in the way you perceive the view of your window. of

extra doing the wheel is no longer personal, but rather detached obstructive waynesville. now when we live on the 6th, so we feel like we're actually involved in everything that happens in the neighborhood. we're the ones that are not reading it. there's a sense of engagement of belonging to as soon as we go up and say to the troll floor, the view from the windows becomes more like a picture of an image on the tv screen tvs are the as soon as 2016 numerous monuments to serve as soldiers in poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed or vandalized as tish there. so by appointment. certainly within yeah, i'm not sure. or even some others could ask if i'm in the field that's the most on whether it's, it's especially almost 3 of the publish government denies the rooms. so it'd be its own just in the victory of a naziism. and is it raising historical memories of world war 2?

is that it for the 40 piece on your story? although it did seem to notice the range of trustees would remain, thinks in people's consciousness, but have a but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost to take up the i'll provides. i need to see things because it looks like so i need it to produce to play the welcome back. across software, all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is the home editions remind you were discussing some be on this the okay, let's go back to martin america's. it's already been mentioned in this,

in our program here is a really well i was gonna say sort of like, maybe not so subtle change of narrative. so basically it's to pro, the way i see insulted bird again, either as a gaffe or, or he was intentionally cited, but he just admitted. yeah, this, the, the russians went into your crime because of nato expansion. very explicit about it . okay. you cabinets, interpret that, and then george took the wind out of my sales book, saying is all about china. so it's really interesting. so you don't have to, there's a, you don't have to say that there's no moral ground anymore. it's not a about democracy. it's about had gemini, though they don't use that word, but that's exactly what it is. and so since a project ukraine, well, it's not exactly working out as planned, but it's part of the larger picture because we have to fight the russians in ukraine. if we want to be safe from china, it's a, it's a logical extension to keep the of the, the current narrative of having

a new cold war. and this time it's russia in china together. martin? yeah, i'm switching default is a locate which doesn't really at all. you know, we have the same problem and in america is we have in brooks and you know, we want to do great trade for china. we want to get price of the china. i mean, every now and again, it suits all needs to do, even though there's china and to say these, they're very fiery, i'm things against the show i need the child is having a hard time at the moment. the economy isn't games as well as it showed us affecting a lot of people. but this idea that we got a war with china is some, is worries very well, right? and because that seems to be the only way that the west con, carry on with the sure on the carry on with the destruction the voters away from the biggest subjects, the bigger needs at home and keeping the corruption go and keeping the racket going . because war is a rocket, you know, but when we, when we ever get the i'm, i'm not sure i think there's a lot to be done. so i thought mean that this idea um that was this very in century

quotes from, from the department of ship out the you can bring that around in my, you know, it reminded me of the joke. hopefully, of the wealthy businessman who is only york with his wife and his girlfriend and us on the phone into the wall. so and he throws the rope to his mistress and he's off laser. why? and he said, well, because the wife would understand good. i'm trying to watch the reservation ship if that interview credit is either if we go through the revenues, you can do, you know, where all the loyalty is now with the other down is it to its own people, its own graphic also, it has all the big you're going to new project to it's a little crack. it's not just the opponents lack of support, elect less to support for the kind. well, there's also a lack of respect to reverence. jewels that you go check. they've just just dismissed this. but this, of the lifting of the found on a, you a grand, you know, the just, you know, they're in love. we, so we kind of it a number of these,

your pin union countries just do their own thing when it suits them. and i think the whole issue about pulling them out is withdrawing the spotlight on a new subject, which is going to resonate with other member states as well, which is a know who comes 1st. is it the people of the members state, or is it the loyalty to fidelity to this big project, which is by much an experimental one, but a unit is, this is about boats is, is it, this is, this is you can't get more groceries to this. it's about, you know, keeping it, but the dilemma is here, but there's the dilemma i, i think the spot when it comes to the, you know, i'm gonna go to george now. but oh, and doesn't want to lose. it's a sending position within nato because this, it's very important that they're going to be finding the brussels about just this reform it all, you know, all these, you know, that's the, that's, that's the, that's not going to change. but the, for the, the nature of us,

foreign policy imperatives will truck. okay. and the polls know that that's why they couldn't, you know, they can throw, said every once in a while, but down there and building to replace, you know, replace germany and france has a top of the totem pole in nato. that's absolutely right. i think that's, that's the key. same thing among the polish leaders. that's why they don't really care that much about the problem is except that there's an election coming up and they have to pay attention. otherwise they're not about but they have a big a deal political agenda which is to restore colon 2. it's a glory to be the leading power on government to your um and it's not that difficult. now germany just seems to be faded away. i mean, sergeant schultz is, i have no way to be safe. i'm really in a bad bach. i mean was a flaming certainly wasn't. he wasn't seen at the general assembly. well, you know, he was no, no am to say the really like when biden speak. so, you know, there's no one there so, um, so it should just be, uh, i'm in the, in

a babel up was the same. and as foreign policy, my call is sort of all over the place is one thing one day, and it makes like bowling is explicitly saying we are the leading power on the continental europe, and we are america's leading top here. so if america wants to go on exhausting its influence over europe, come to us, come to come to worst. so you know where it is. that it's really, the brilliantly dovetails into what's for bo, which politicians have said that ukraine should not consult poland. okay, is right in line with what you're saying because paul and this representing the, the heads your mom, we are the name of the voice there. and if you want to get, if you give respect to the united states, you must give it to us. ok, not that if it's earned or anything but we're stand, it worked out a way and then they weren't very clear. ok, well martin, do the same thing here. you know, again this, the, i don't,

i don't think politicians in eastern europe care about their farmers. i think they all care about where they are in the pecking order of the you, nato, are construct, okay, because they're all looking for the next job. a book. i mean, you know, what would happen to the vin check. ok. i mean, the people who bought. okay, so i think it's, this is more of a geo political play. and to show the, you know, you can't mess with poland, you know. and then i think of, of course, somebody's been watching is calling zelinski is people and telling them don't, don't assume them in the world trade organization and things like that to are productive. but it's kind of like in the soprano 0, tony. everyone's allowed to show these, you know, he's the boss more. sure. that's a good to me. i love the sopranos. yeah, that's right. all right. well that, but moving aside from the surprise, i think that the thing that i, i take away from this, the thing that sticks with me is the,

the messages from po whether they are genuine or whether they're just pop full. um, just to go on people's. but it's the messages the in the future. the best scenario is that we will reduce the funding to with your time will reduce, i'm going to just spend 2 because we go around problems of time and life thing. if the, if the bill has stays empowered and it gets its coalition and all the, it doesn't have to do any of the details, it will have to pay some so that the problem is you call, i think in a jo source to suggest the, the, the the, this does not, there's nothing that to, to keeps them to keep to, to put this for the, for the ruining a lead to actually stick to the problems. and then what we something i love to be solved by. i think so the options are we on to reduce imagery spending towards i'm going to share it towards you credit or cut it well together, and that's where i think will be off to october. the 15th, it will be some reaction. i think we can expect something from the post and what can we expect you to be in union with you've got these renegade states like pallet

into a just literally sticking to bring this up to the entire you know, um, architecture, the opinion and everything that it stands for by, you know, disrespect to me, it's a rules that, congo, all those to be a ration from europe in unit. i don't know. we'll see. i think to be nato membership is a very powerful position. george jump in. yeah, i think so. i then, when you say the rules when the you broke the lines in the 1st place by lifting the tires on the ukranian bray. and i mean, the whole point of the is the combination of a cultural pause and the whole point of the common i think also a policy is to protect your being follows from cheap uh, food stuff from the rest of the world. so it was the you that 1st broke its own rules and everyone accepted this until the farm is rebel, the ukranian this which makes you pay is bid for the you even hold it. yeah, the lovely. it's never going to be in the you and it's never going to be in nato.

okay. or a gentleman, we're rapidly running out of time. the name of, of name this program. so lensky watching zelinski. george sits extension i found his address and the way getting crazy and media presented it is, um, well it's, it's, it's just a textbook case. and really she bad propaganda. what am i saying? as the lensky, according to ukrainian television, as they were billing addressing the general assembly, keywords in the audience, okay. he's pulled off something, but no one is ever done before being in 2 places at one time. charge that this is a remarkable, interesting lady was also in canada. i was addressing the parliament in canada and along side zalinski was a 98 year old, the old codger who was fighting for ukraine in independence in world war 2. the news gossip breathless, explain. actually he was fighting for the nazis. so they went to some lady and left the ro is one of the but old man,

98 years old. yeah. he was smart people denazi's. i don't know whether they fully understood it or they just don't care. probably they just don't care anymore. well, i don't think they know any more. okay. i, i display, you know, the me, it seems to me that the new generation of history is the rush. it was the great enemy during the 2nd world war. this is what they are priming of western audiences to believe all the rest of it all that just hollywood stuff. martin. yeah, and i think that unfortunately that's part of the use cut down on freedom of speech, how it's making it harder and harder for journalists actually to the look and write the storage which tell the history as well. you know, this has been something that would be going on for quite some time. it started years ago. i remember writing an article about the 1st um, the 1st discussions in the bottom and about about bonding on to you know, how, how can we, we put all the out of the spotlight because the a, you doesn't want anybody questionnaire. it's narrative. it doesn't want anybody

asking the tough questions. it just wants basically a, a certain amounts of the media who are just following the to, to, to the, the now to, i'm doing this. don't overstate, you know, and i think that's over the age when it says that the eclipse thing is, is part of pull and slip each other as well. it's just not subject very close to my house, but there's no, you know, it's getting worse. the screw is not tied to, you know, it's more channels to being arrested. no gentle is a big facing legal actions. but just simply reporting from the other side, just for a simple reporting of what rushes to it towards novels or even having a point of view. but what they don't, they want to, they don't want to admit george to give the last 15 seconds. they don't even want to admit, there is another side, these issues go ahead your, the, they don't. and that's why they have now adopted all sorts of legislation. i mean, you're in the u. k, you have the online safety bill and they, in the you, you have this online, the digital act, or whatever it's called,

which is too bad. a speech that, you know, challenges the narrative. i mean, you can always wrap it always because we're buying a speech only where you know, where it goes, falls narratives, right? gaines, this information against russia. but essentially they want to make sure that the alternative viewpoints of suppressed as the case as heard here. that's all the time we have gentlemen. i think my guess in america has an in budapest where i think our viewers were watching us here at our pc. and next time we remember press stop rules the, the boss can do either to speak to them with key at the washington state. but those

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canadian politician space and rage and condemnation of the countries. paul events including the prime minister, it gives a standing ovation to a world war 2 not to collaborate to. it was well cause ukrainian of canadian hayward speaking to all the rushes and boxes. it's a kind of desk lounge with nazi veterans reception and onto the wallet in the world to resist the attempt to revive history for any nister's refusal to apologize for the escape, gloating. so the speaker was a final in mind and the at the same time claiming rations propaganda is just pretty close to us it's, it's a.