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current conflict in ukraine or civil unrest in virtually any part of the world. dig a little deeper and you will find hate at the root of it. today will explore the exportation of hates from country to country, cross borders from the us to anywhere, and vice versa. how hate is in big demand around the world. all right, let's get into the m o. the white supremacy is a major talking point in the us right now. the f. b, i has gone before congress on record to say that this is their number one priority . the bureau, of course, the nation's top domestic law enforcement group. but what if that top priority is much less a domestic issue and more so an international one from american neo nazis,

to as long as tara groups, or conversely, as lama phobia. the demand for these ugly id ologies seems to be growing. here to tackle this topic, this is mark slow boat mark is an international relations and security analysts. he hosts a show called the real politic with marks will vote on youtube. you can follow mark on twitter or x. we're going to the name the social media site here at mark slow boat up one. so mark, talk to us about the case of craig lang, the us army veteran who is probably the most high profile american neo nazi right now. he's wanted for a double murder in florida. he's now in ukraine. he's in and out, but he's there are fighting alongside the likes of a is off. he's been interviewed by major main stream media through the last decade . he's open, we espoused his nazi views. how do we explain why the beacon of democracy that is

ukraine hasn't yet expedited this man wanted for murder back to the united states? a yeah, uh craig line is only one of many, and it has to, uh, you know, be mentioned that you even the current extradition request for him involving a f b. i investigation into craig lang but also 6 others. 77 us, uh, fighters mercenaries. uh you, in ukraine, in total, uh for war crimes. um, as to the question of why he hasn't been extra dated to the us by the beacon of democracy. that is you grade 1st ukraine and the united states don't actually have an extradition treaty. not that that is a, a complete

a stoppage to such phenomena with the amount of arms and equipment that is headed ukraine's way to the queue. every team. um i, i'm quite sure that in a extradition request on an individual basis could be worked out. but simply, the care for jamie, ukraine is not a greek and of democracy. freedom in human rights, but then again, neither is united states. uh so um geo political conveniences um and avoiding an embarrassing situation is probably at the rid of this. a craig lang is a, shall we say, a troubled us individual and a real peach. he is a us, me. busy terry, the veteran u. s. army, he served in iraq and afghanistan, and he received

a other than honorable discharge. according to him involving an incident with his wife, who was also miller. sorry. he had a threatened and evidently tried multiple times to kill her, including suffocating her with a pillow and evidently trying to blow her. then pregnant at the time, up with a landline that somehow had a hold of um, the in involved in interview that he gave to vice. talking about being kicked out when, when he was talking with his military commanders. and they had asked him about it and he told vice that he had said yeah. about killing her. he said yes, i was going to murder her. and then he added. and the mother s thought i was

bluffing, speaking about his military commanders. uh so the guys uh, a real, real sweet cakes um after being discharged from the us military and failing to kill his wife, evidently presumably now ex wife. he wandered about as a bit of a human rec for a while until he started reading about the then beginning of the civil conflict in ukraine after the overthrow of the government there. and in the openly us backed porch in 2014, 2015 saw him arrive in ukraine where he promptly joined the right sector. the right sector is one of the country's most notorious um uh, of many so far, right? openly band, right?

fascist battalions um and uh he, you know, he's a, i guess he was kind of an early trend setter. he has been fighting in ukraine against ukrainians. uh for uh you know, a considerable length of time. uh, you know, since 2015. um and uh he only he's been in and out of the country trying to get themselves involved and other conflicts in suit don in venezuela. um and then now he finds himself uh, back in new grade. an ad once again. uh, sliding uh in, in the conflict there. now after the rushing intervention, the right sector has been accused of human rights abuses, war crimes by human rights watch. uh, and, and others. uh, they are, you know,

under investigation for war crimes during involved in the indifference against him for war crimes in the us. our testimonies from numerous of other americans that he served with their and he was regularly involved in the torture and execution of both prisoners of war and non combatants, these ukrainian civilians. there evidently is video evidence of a lot of this because like many of the far right fighters, they seem to like filming themselves, torturing and killing people. one incident, evidently, of which there is video evidence to him. and another american who is also involved in the dick in dick mintz were drowning a woman, a non combatant. and they also, while they were involved in doing it,

they injected her with drugs to make sure that she didn't fall unconscious while they were drowning her. i presumably to make sure that she suffered more through the process. so like i said, a, a real real 3 gigs. so there, there's video. busy evidence and testimony from other americans about other torture and the execution of non combatants and p o w. use that he was involved in to. but that is really not enough to, to draw the attention of the us government because this was, you know, kind of the fact of the situation for many of the far right fighters from the us and, and from across the world that's locked to key, have to fight for the regime there. lay is just one example. as you said, of an american neo nazi. i'm going that way on this peak field mission,

but it would appear the relationship of hate is reciprocal. a 2018 article from ment. press news, details and indictment against members of the american neo nazi group ram and says that the a's off is quote, believed to have participated in training and radical lives in united states based white supremacy organizations, such as ram. so in effect, the f b i agent investigating the case who obviously represents the u. s. government acknowledges that is off is a white supremacy group that radicalize as people and promotes violence. so this toxic ideology really goes both ways across the atlantic ocean mark. yeah, i mean there it is not just us. and you great either. there's a similar cases involved with

a is off and other cambridge him far right. groups with white supremacist groups in italy costs a pound um in germany and elsewhere. right. there is a real fast just international which is being coordinated through the care of routine, the new great. and i would say that the real issue is not so much radicalization that's kind of a tricky and a, was it, was it us white supremacist that, that made is off into, you know, far, right, neo fascist or the other way around. i. i think there is a mutual support society when it comes to that are far more important and, and what the uh, the department of justice uh, indictments are really about, of course is the training, the military experience, the increased capacity for violence is what they worried not so much about it's

being done there, but when they come, when, if they come home, that is the real issue. they have a problem with. the irony, of course, is that is off itself as a is being long since being incorporated 1st into the national guard. and right sector as well and, and then into the, everything's military which says far more about what he kept regimes military is in any dilute meant of it's, it's ideology or practices. but they, as they're worried about it, it's receiving, you know, training and experience. but at the same times, the u. s. military is training that. right? so the u. s. military is training people that the f

b i is worried about then bringing that training home and doing things like killing couples in florida. yes. as you point out when the chickens come home to roost, it does then pose a national security risk. alright, coming up next white supremacy unfortunately, is it the only game on the block when we're talking about the trait of hate as lumnick extremism. also with immense reach, we'll discuss it when we return with marks. will vote us to type the m o will be right down the the,

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a drowning man willing to take down their so called friends if they have to the, the welcome back to the m o m l a chance. the hate market isn't cornered by western neo nazis. not that this next group is an answer to counter white supremacy, but the group played the latter part of the obama years and swept across headlines internationally. i'm talking about isis or i, solar dash, whatever you choose to call them. this per version of islam went viral for us to get international relations and security analysts,

marks for boda is back with us to discuss some mark. unfortunately, exporting hate isn't purely a white supremacists trade other pape groups go international as well. take guys this for example, the u. s. calls them a terror organization, but at the root, isis and they're offshoots, like i says, k. really, they're a hate group that builds their ideology around islam and makes it this ugly saying that a bastardization of the religion if you will. how do you suppose groups like isis or a kite, a managed to recruit members from all over the world. i mean, for example, there were those isis brides from the u. k, and so forth. well, well, a us declares isis or i so, you know, to be an enemy that it uses to justify. for instance, it's continuing evasion and military occupation of the syria. amazingly enough,

the only part of the country that isis is still active is the one of the area of us occupation. and these syria ice us was allied to us funded as long as the g hottest in syria quite ultimately and involve, you know, and up to the events of the attacks on a level right. rather late in the conflict they're up until they weren't. right. so you know what, how do these, you know, these hate groups come about? well, they often come about because of the u. s. a flow of arms and training and utilizing these people as weapons of convenience to meet their geo political ends. whether it's right wing death squads being trained by the organization, the o. s. schools and in south and latin america,

or jihad us it as long as it's in syria. and livia or uh, you know, neo nazis in, in, in ukraine. you know, the us assigns, you know, these shall we say already hate filled violent groups, and then, you know, proceeds to fund and arm them and use them for its own geo political weapons of convenience. of course, that's the same way they look at the united states or they talk about it quite openly. they, they also view that type of devil's agreement as, as part of it. but of course, you know, the way they are so successful in organizing today is, has a lot, it's not entirely restricted to, but it has a lot to do with the internet. it simply makes it much easier to communicate, you know, not only for them for everyone else as well, but you know,

but to organize and to form a little. the community is a craig lang, for instance, has been very active in recruiting other american mercenaries to come for ride sector. and that this is in the indictments against him, of a testimony from numerous people. um and uh, you know, this is the way ices also recruited muslim radicals to their particular distorted view. a what harvest view of islam from, from around the world. but it has to be said that to this, this did occur before the internet. for instance, the us was helping a jihad international form in afghanistan and, and bringing jihad as to august from around the world to fight against the soviet fact, ask in government. there are 4 years before, you know, this type of internet um, you know, communities and,

and the ability to communicate, you know, helped accelerate it. but it does make it easier and more in and perhaps give them greater reach. hope on an industrial scale has been america's main export for easily the last 2 decades, not by individuals rather by algorithm. as you suggested earlier, there's you to google, facebook and all of all the social media companies, they all play this outsized role in the the import export of hate. to take the buffalo new york shooter, he had races screeds posted all over his social media or the christ church, new zealand shooter who openly expressed as lama phobia. and then live stream his rampage on facebook. so, well, i'm not suggesting these tech companies, you know, are the source of the hate. they're not responsible in that sense,

but they are responsible for the proliferation of that material. and i, by this, i'm referring to the awful videos of like the headings or mass shootings, things of that nature. and all those companies happen to be american. what do you make of the role of american big tech and the export of hate? yeah, i think you know, the big tech role and this is, is a medium. okay. um, i don't necessarily fall big tech for this. this is humans who do to this, and they're, they're simply using the big take as a big tech, the social media and other online tools as, as something that certainly facilitates them, their, their outreach, their ability to a glum array, to in communities and self reinforcing communities. online, and then there's been a lot of, uh, you know, questions in the us about holding, you know,

the big tech companies responsible for because actively i think blocking such material and, and removing them from social media. and that actually, you know, sounds really good even to me to begin with. but unfortunately, what we've seen in the us is that the us government proceeds right from there to further portion big tact to then use it as a tool of broader political censorship. including, for instance, any criticism of us foreign policy. whereas, you know, any criticism is, is then depicted as pro russian or pro chinese tr. busy roles or, or networks, and then they have that excuse and big tack already cooperating with them. uh, 22 sensor further. and then uh,

with the trunk campaign we see how quickly that then goes into domestic political descent. uh and uh, the use of big tech and the media to sensor information for things such as hunter, biden's laptop. uh, which uh, you know, the revelation of which and what it contains would have hurt a bite is campaigns. so you see how quickly that unfortunately becomes a slippery slope. i don't think there are any easy answers about finding a balance between uh, you know, uh, policing so far, right? um, you know, open open plans for violence and, and um, you know, active actions of, of hate and spreading the ideologies and,

and how to prevent that from morphing into broader political censorship. it's, it's a double edged sword. now in many instances, especially in the case of white supremacists, a lot of these guys have a military background. so this is probably a chicken or egg question of, i know a lot of chicken analogies in this episode, but does the us military breed these white supremacist? or do they enlist in the military because they have these id ologies to begin with? and does thing u. s. military actually have a white supremacy problem? and, and just so we're clear, i'm not insinuating that all members of the us military are races or white supremacists, that would be absurd, but numerous reports and studies have shown there's a disproportionate percentage of white supremacists within the military ranks, as opposed to the civilian population yeah, 1st of all, full disclosure, i am

a u. s. military veteran i, i served in the us navy and the nuclear engineering field for 6 years. and so 1st of all, i would say that the prevalence of, of white supremacist. yeah. in the military that you know, the proportions of it. first of all, our service dependent. there's far more of it say in the army and the marines. then you often find in, in the navy and the air force, which is interesting. and i think warrants some study why that is the case. and i think you're right that it is a bit of a chicken and eggs to i think the evidence that there is a higher proportion of white supremacists in the military than in the general population is, is pretty much in disputed. and the pentagon has been quite open that they, they say they have a problem and it is by no means a majority of,

of the u. s. military, that is clear, but it does exist and it is disproportionate. i tend to think of that as a result, more of ultimately the us military of course, is a institution of violence. and these people are simply attracted by violence. and the ability to then, you know, act on these, you know, hate and violence filled fantasies. an ideology is that they have, uh, you know, uh, and that is a phenomenon that often leads to a broader abuses, military abuse is war crimes. we've, we've seen the like in, in afghanistan and iraq. and, and how often that is essentially unpunished. at least institutional marks for boda, international relations,

and security analysts. thank you so much for this conversation. you can check out more from mark on youtube at the real politic with marks labeau to follow him on twitter. x marks, nevada, and the number one marks will go to one. thank you, mark. all right, that's going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the shows that digs these in the on policy and current affairs on your host manila chance. thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the m. o, the the watching is why isn't why in this control if i give but plenty of those on this, this is chad and i showed order,

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