but seriously speaking, of course, the 1st of all, we are linked by history all for good relations and the traditional friendship that started in the sixty's when our 2 countries very, very close and present. so comfortable who brought the independence to the indonesian republic, visit the dark country 4 times. and i can tell you that the people of the generation of my parents in russia, they remember that very well. my parents were students at that time and they were going to present so caught them know in the street when he arrived to moscow. and since then the song that i on come up, well get lots of became very popular in russia. it was the to slate. this interruption in the media. i was still not on the easier. and when my father found out that i was going to be posted indonesia, the 1st thing he did,

he's saying this ought to be a show at that time. i didn't know this song, so there is this tradition of friendship and good relations and a, a similar to all the views of our 2 countries on the many issues of the bill bill agenda. ah, there is a lot of things that we can do together. our economy is our complementary. uh, there is a very good attitude from indonesian people to russia as to what we're doing also on the global arena. and of course, indonesia is the fantastic country and the so many russians go to valley. but there is so much more to indonesia than bali. and i hope that the russians will finally explore indonesia more and find out about indonesia. more you

mentioned that already, of course indonesia and the soviet union had a history of very close cooperation in various theories to what extent to the mold and indonesians remember, appreciate the soviet assistance at what is being done to maintain this precious memory. unfortunately, i would say that the young generation, the new need you are not aware that the people, the older generation, they know, and they still are very grateful. and they appreciated for all the systems of the soviet union render to indonesia. most of the people know about our contribution to say regarding the territorial integrity of indonesia, in the sixty's, the about point of provinces. but sometimes i ask young indonesians whether they're weird, the,

the biggest bedroom into cars. it was billed by our country and they are not for that. one of the biggest hospitals in jakarta, the friendship hospital was also billed by a country and uh for. and she actually means friendship between indonesia and the soviet union. of course we're trying, i mean, the embassy, we're trying to do a lot to revise this memories. for instance, in the near future we're planning and we are organizing uh uh, soccer matches and get a little garden on. behold that we can install a commemorative black on this building so that people leading jakarta would know that it was billed by the soviet union. but it's not enough. we can do much more. and of course we need to make car people closer and our friendship stronger i'm. i'm absolutely confident that we can

do that. you have been the russian investments indonesia for more than 5 years in your opinion, what achievement the 2 countries in terms of biological relations, biological cooperation, should be specially product the oh well our relations have been on the rise. the for the less to 20 year, especially after press that will be the news. you may go. what just inquiring to who is the daughter of present so comfortable visited moscow in 2003, and met with president clinton, us and then so we have since then we have been developing our corporation in different areas are tre, turn over, has been growing. we have some doing projects, again, it's strong enough. of course. if we can see there are doing population no more there 400000000. we can do much more. but unfortunately, call the put everything on stand by. so for 2 years it was

a pause. i would say, but since then again, the pace has been growing. we've been enjoying an active political dialogue between our 2 leaders. as you know, a person joke where we don't go visit at moscow last year. uh. our president has spoken on the phone several times or the minutes till 4 and the fear is of rush just took a little physical to jakarta, uh, 4 times in the last 2 years. uh, on bilateral uh, visit, also for international meeting and the for the, the indonesia was hosting. we have very good cooperation in the international. org is in the organization including the un because our views on what is happening in the world are quite similar or, or close. uh, we have a, a,

a good, a cooperation in torres and we've seen an increase. so especially after the close of course, increase over tourist arrivals to indonesia, from russia. we have cooperation indicate educational area right now. around 800 indonesian students are studying in different cities of russia and they will all become were, are the boxes are oh, for russia to indonesia, because they all keep very good memories. so the times they spent in russian over their russian, friends, somebody when have brought whites or husbands? no, that's also humanitarian context for you. so nice ties. it was. and what about the

business? what areas us specifically attractive for russian indonesian interpreters? actually, since the change of do a political situation, we've seen an increase of interest from russian businesses towards the indonesian and there are few success stories for those. uh, uh, one of the, the biggest uh, companies that provides uh, online tech c services. uh, actually they are from russia. so yeah, let's say in this young books. no. no, it stopped. yeah, that's similar. it's maxime vaccine work seems so in 7 to see days in indonesia you can see like see maxime and maxime is the name of the founder. it's, it's a success story, but of course there are many areas i t, 1st of all the are russian companies or can you hear the energy including

nuclear image course of the recent government has not taken yet the political decision to include nuclear facilities in their system. but it's a matter of time because indonesia is developing the ferry, a speedy pace, more than 5 part percent girl. so g d p per year. and of course that requires a lot of energy. so nuclear energy would be one of the options and we hope that whenever indonesian government will be ready to go into the new care option, they will, uh, they will actually, uh, does a chose to do that. a little soft them is in contact with the relevant indonesian

or forward two's uh, especially uh, you know, the plans of indonesian government to transfer the capital to calling on them. and again, they will need a lot of energy there because they are also trying to plan it as the green seat is a smart city. so you can are g office will be one on the option because in the sense it's, it's in clean energy, especially calling on some being the only area in indonesia that there's not prone to us quakes, which is very important. of course, um your crowns building. um, infrastructure uh, pharmaceuticals. so the, the, there's a lot of area and agriculture products next month. we're expecting a business mission from russia that will come with the not

only with food products that we can explore to indonesia, but also technologies. and the indonesians side is very interested in technologies of course. so that's what we can provide. that's what we can share. and we hope there will be even more interaction and coming back to human ties. indonesia is predominantly muslim country, and there is a significant muslim community in russia as well. how close a do the followers of islam in indonesia and russia interact with each other, doesn't they? they always interaction between um, the eastland communities in russia and indonesia, indonesian a person is a member of the uh, group, uh uh, east lum, rush, a substitute division,

and he attends regularly the meetings of this group. he is one of the prominent members of the biggest, one of the biggest muslim organizations in indonesia and voices. he attended cars on form last year and the celebrations of the new vers through 100. $1100.00 anniversary of uh, uh, east lum. coming to a russia last year, we also had the visit by, uh, one of, uh, uh, the move to some move to come done. uh, who is uh, the leader of one of the biggest, um, some organizations in russia. so uh, this connection has been established and i can tell you people in indonesia follow closely what is happening uh, in russia. uh, there is

a big interest how um as you slum and the muslims leaf. uh, i think here we, we share a similar to familiarity with the indonesia because both washing donasia have this tradition of, uh, uh, harmonic, quite existence of people from different uh, religions. uh so uh, also one of the places that the indonesian tours uh like to visit is the best. um of course uh it, i've, i've also, uh, i've heard news that even there was uh, some couples that i wanted to get married there. so um, yes. do there is this connection and you know, people know for is those then when person fortune was integrating, the cathedral most pin uh, must co. uh, he said that uh,

the russia in the sense is a muslim country. and this is very well known and indonesia. nice, a den beste that you just mentioned is specific to political situation that we have right now in the world due to russia, ukraine conflict. and there was a server recently conducted by an analyst from a local indonesian company. and they found out that many indonesians express their support actually for russia's special news, reparation in ukraine, and at the same time, site and negative approach to nato. and in general, to the western narrative and western approach and understanding of the conflict. did these discoveries surprise you? well, that is to, uh, uh, in the sense yes. when the conflict started, when are a special mutual pushes taught to, of course we were wondering how people react when you about the official reaction.

oh, yeah. jakarta, which was not very pro russian to put it mildly, they call support cosponsored the general assembly a resolution which was very the custom to condemn the russians in question. and so all but uh, the rection of people was quite different. the uh, there, uh, is a trend which continues up to now in the social media when people say, or are in the support of russia. they say what i'll put in or just what i owe when even when they see the car of the message or with the russian slides a quite what i in the streets. and the reason for that, i think beer. uh several, several reasons. uh for that uh, 1st of all, as we mentioned, the new traditions of corporation and friendship that exist between our 2

countries, the memories of how our country supported indonesia and it's quite against colonialism and how we help to ensure their territorial integrity. that's one thing. now the other thing that is personal popularity or present for to strong liter, very popular. uh, then you slum executor. when people hear, i was, i mentioned that they follow what, what is happening, how much students leave in russia when they see on social media, the muslims in russia support the policy of president 14 it's, it's very important for them. another reason, of course, is the end to american and,

and to colonial tvs that people have here. uh, so strong uh, they are still existent. i will say, because there's 2 people, a live who with those with their own eyes. what happened here for is does 9045? 1949. when the dutch i try to get a new media back and when they killed hundreds of 1000 people here and also the policy is n t, a mostly man is from a public policy. so the united states, that's also that, that keeps this negative feeling to indonesian people. so this, this combination of a reset. well, and of course the work of them, but it's a slower. uh no, i know i'm not claiming the best the best the main reason,

but you do it well. i can tell you that since the beginning of the uh, special meal tool portion, i did $100.00 interviews because there is a demand here to know our, our position. and what i say it's, it's, it's broadcast. it's, it's, it's not, uh, you know, hidden somewhere or forbidden or, or whatever. so a and p and, and we, we noticed the people are listening to the other. we're watching at you and you know, sometimes industry they say ok, and that's sort of we've seen you well on, on t and we're like what your say and that is very important because the why those big boss, unfortunately the housing commission and the language but still the message gets

to because people are willing to listen, what do they like, particularly as a well, the, probably the explanation, you know, what was the cause of the conflict about it felt about the crane. basically, ukraine is the victim and the situation and that not the victim hope russian in question, but the victim of western policies that use ukraine is an instrumental against against russia. so, uh and it, it rings a bell. you know, it's this and 2 colonial feelings that people, indonesia is to have. they make them understand. i show it because of russia, ukraine conflict. unfortunately, you said that you were of as far, but still we see attends in europe to cancel the russian culture. by banning works

of arts and demolish and monuments. have you ever had a chance to speak to your indonesian colleagues about that? what is the situation with the russian culture here? do they condemn these actions back in europe, or they are not to worry about them? they're not, they're much aware of, uh, an example that is closer to to indonesian realities. you know, when the alterations taught to the european investors here or the they stopped to, to ignore me complete. i'm making, you know, pretending they don't know me the, or even walking out of the room where i had. and actually it's such, it was such a show of disrespect not to me, but to indonesian busts for us. so there is an event organized by indonesians, the cultural event and the messrs are invited. of course they come and then like,

people are running all from the room and the indonesian friends are saying what, what's that? and when i'm explaining why it happens, what they're massive there's, there's supposed to be diplomatic. truth is a book, at least talk the so the, the reaction, no flow of you or it's, it's the, it's, it's, this is the, you know, nation is a totally different story. people here of one to have a chance to the get some pulse of russian culture. unfortunately. uh 1st because of coffee. now, because of other problems, we don't have much possibilities to uh, organize concerts or tours, but still we have movies that we can show uh,

with the embassy were also trying to organize concerts, etc, etc. so i, i love to have, for is russian valley here because so many indonesians told me that they would love to see russian valley. i can tell you that here they are a couple or even more of very, very good and very professional orchestra. they play russian news, they play to cost to they play enough money in of, of so the russian culture is not council to the here. it's appreciated. and 2 years ago for us, those we know you're a to the, the monument for you to go got in. and one of the public parking lot, indonesia. nice. and what was the indonesian reaction to this behavior of the european and bassett, or uh, they were amazed,

big older than outraged, i would say, because 1st they could understand, you know, indonesians are people who are very polite and very nice. so this kind of, i'm diplomatic behavior for them it's, it's something that shouldn't happen this. yeah, it's actually rude. absolutely. would that. yeah. and i know, and it's a, in some countries, they were cases off the west and bassett is going to foreign ministry of the country. they were in and convincing them to cut the relations with the rush at all or to problems we condemn them. or if there is a visit, all russians integration not to take picture with them. was there anything like this happened over year or so, of course, especially when indonesia was sharing that you 20 all of what you mentioned happened here, but uh,

indonesian partners didn't give in and we really appreciate their position that just went to shouldn't be a place to have this political bottles, it's a place to resolve a we'll the economic financial problems that are numerous and they didn't give in to this pressure. and they managed to come out with the joint declaration and it's in the big extend, thanks to indonesian diplomacy our, our president has sent to come to congratulate you a message to president of jacoby, due to the success of the indonesian presidency in g 20. and also the chairman ship of indonesian us young uh was quite successful. but so we see

there are many attempts from the so called collective west to put many countries included in the news to include in india that we're just saying, i do 20 that was held in new delhi. those countries up with, between a rock and a hard place. i mean, what do you think about it and what your indonesian colleagues think about it? i mean, they managed, they just like resisted but it takes so much time and effort and energy. i mean, and you said they were not, they were not happy with the situation of course, and they opened the state of the, there was a lot of pressure from uh, western countries on, on many issues. and uh, yes, they were uh uh, visits to the ministry of foreign affairs and 2 other uh, indonesian officials to prevent any contacts with the russian delegations. no photo

who with the russian delegations, not, no photo with me. also hold on during the events. uh and of course, the indonesian partners are not happy with this situation, but they are trying to do imbalance balancing act, of course, is quite understandable because of the trade to earn over or investment from united states or your opinion. union is, is quite considerable. so for me and to call them, it's quite important to keep working relations with the, with this countries. but we feel that there, uh the, the stronger indonesia gets, the more irritated indonesians are barred. bisnel colonial pressure

for instance. now the european union is putting pressure, reading the media to exports, pearl nicole, which they, they, they bond the exports overall nickel because what they want to do, they want to process it in here in the new nation, and then sell a more expensive the process product to other countries, there's so much pressure in indonesia not to do so. just to export cheap, ro nicole and of course it's, it's, it's a now clause elizabeth. and now they are saying it openly that they are games, bisnel, colonial practices. most russia in indonesia have a long history of flights and terrorists and what is the level of engine terry's cooperation between moscow in jakarta? does this is one of the areas of cooperation that we haven't. we have contacts

between no or, or relevant agency. we also have this mechanism of regular consultations between our security council and the coordinating ministry for political and security affairs of indonesia. on the regular basis of general popular shift to meet with the minister of my food in they discuss all the issues pertaining to security including terrorism, of course. so that is one of the important um forms. so to discuss this, um you should also we uh share uh, similar views on, uh, uh, international organizations on the terrorism and we support each other so, so yes, there was interaction going on between like 2 kinase. very important,

of course, because tourism cannot be eliminate, it's just to buy it for so one country it's, it's joint effort then bass of the i guess that in current turbulent, do political situation. the role of russian embassy is everywhere in the world, including indonesia, in building bridges or keeping bridges between the sides is crucial. so i wish you good luck and success and your mission. thank you so much. thank you. it's the

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