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hello and welcome to the cross style for all things are considered ideal about western solidarity, which you praying, particularly in eastern europe, is being tested, the flood of cheap ukrainian grain into the u. as in raged farmers and terrified politicians facing the voters. ukraine is behaving like a drowning man willing to take down their so called friends. if they have to the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess. martin j america sees an award winning journalist, and commentator. and in budapest we cross the door to 7. well, it is a pond cast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. are gentlemen cross socrates and back, that means you can jump it anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with jump at george in budapest. well, it's not so happy in the caribbean family right now, particularly nato world here over the last your new cycles. basically, you know,

without tremendous fat but with the bullet, including the bowls and the ukrainians. but also what's on your incidence of documents about brussels, a policy um, importing or allowing ukrainian green into the european markets, which of course effects the the eastern part of it. most, poland does come up with some spire re language. what a difference, a few of what a difference green can make, george greene county, the legal difference. particularly if you have an election in the ego being go bingo exploit. so is this a flash in the pan, or is this something you have this thing that is a flash in the pan simply because um the bonus people uh, by no means uh, it includes the valve as well. and in that way, the polish electra it is very similar to the european and the american electra. this is a rule that has been foisted upon them. and now there is a 3rd party,

but there is a motion on the scene of them to consider a body that is opposed expressively. opposed to opponents involved in your crime. so um, more of yet skate the, you know, the leader of the law and justice body knows that he's in a lot of trouble and he's suddenly playing the police. national is got the name or weapon reserve on it was on. what is my phone isn't sending any more weapons, but he didn't say that bowling will cease translating web on some elsewhere the ukraine. so he's just saying something he's not going to do, which he's not doing any way. i don't have a arrow, it goes back to somebody who has said many, many times here. i mean, this project is in the lead project. i mean, there's just no enthusiasm anywhere for uh, does this war. and, and emily off to the election, you know, whoever wins whether it's a $26.00,

you know, civic platform, body or, or more, i guess, get lower. joseph bodies both will continue as before, because later we'll continue as before. and what's it, what's it also remember that at the latest secretary general was in new york the other day. and these come up with a new rash or now for a while they continued when you're great, it's all about china. that's, it's all about china. we have to find in ukraine because language can either birds can either read my mind to read my notes, but that's thanks to be a good next door is that always happens to meet with you martin. this is busy in the same vein here. i mean squared, we're beginning to see ruptures. here, domestic politics is colliding with the foreign policy imperatives. they'd come from brussels in washington and the polls are on the front of the line. and they're literally on the front line here because i lived there for a long time. i lived there for over a decade and,

but when you don't annoy the farmers, okay, you just simply don't do that and they're making their voice are larger. a part of the country that has a huge agricultural set of voters which need to be taken into account and that one thinks of problems as well and a few other countries. yeah, i think the story is understood one because on the show that we've all been offering else so. so the reason for your mother to know what is the different point where all of the big cracks that will emerge in this coalition and some was estimated countryside person. where this went to the government was just announced that it's not going to continue the aging subsidies for both sides for all the people. it's gonna slash them quite dramatically so that there's also another um fracture, i think in the credibility of the whole project. but this seems to be a tipping point. it seems to be that even if we don't take the rhetoric serious and even if we say look, okay, it's an election. and um, you know, this, the, the,

the pos policy needs to p law slopes is from the fall, right? you know, who are opposing the war. so if we go beyond the narrative and just dismiss it simply as you know, fire we took to get the vote is that on but doesn't bug well, even if it is only a narrative because the narrative resume is still an awful lot of people and i don't the question now the leaders will be ask themselves on the evolution brussels particularly stuff on the land who must be literally a pulse right now, worrying whether this whole thing kind of really a home together because she's got your people election smell just in 2024 and what is the positive story? tell us it tells us that there was not democratic process whatsoever for the claim to. nobody was consulted, you know, and you know, he, with the most hotline and supporters of the project, i don't have to admit this, knowing that this oriels and in the coming days, you know, and this is what you get when you consult people. when you have consult the masses

and it becomes a lead has project, finally they get the side of a you. now we'll be looking at this and realizing can we contain this? if it's just upon only know it, could we have a rogue state? oh no, no, i'm contributing any more, but, you know, allow me anybody else to go through it and i'm a need to hold transportation thing. i don't think they can, but even if they felt was that they could contain it. you know, it's going to be a diverse slippery slope now for the you running up to the 2024 european bottom entry elections where the you find will, will be the only dig in town that will be the binary vote yes. on in church, i mean a lot of this, you know, things be based heavy rhetoric, binary rhetoric, in a lot of it's being directed zelinski himself. i mean, when he was at the united nations, i mean, you know, he's the panhandle learn cheap and he dislikes, you know, he feels that he has a privilege position because washington and london and brussels back came up. so he gave me a, he is not getting the hip it to him. i think that's really getting me like where

a lot of the x from the, from the polls. i agree with george. i think this is a blash in the pan. it's this get through this election here. there's going to be no major change, of course, but me, the, the optics of it is the, you know, as lensky can uh, call the tune and every one taps that doesn't go down. well, particularly when you're facing voters, george? no, it doesn't. it, but you're absolutely right about the landscape. let's keep in mind what is the last game made his speech of the un general assembly. he talked in general about european. so when it's a sufficiently supportive of the big, it is a single out, the polls, i mean, suppose big was 5 and said, oh is that let's get subtracting of the lens is accusing us of being the kremlin cats, bull. so episode the, that's why i think it's a flashing the public a poem and pick the spot names the landscape said colon this of this, then you can say, oh, what was the answer? you started a bit phone and nobody saw that it with a view to this election. but then the,

the other thing i forget to keep in mind is what, what else has been going on, but we have now these attacks on suffice the bulk um, ms. uh, this is the lease uh, besides the delivered by the u. k, which were very controversial when, when the u. k. decided to deliver these messages and it was blended directed by the americans. i mean, it wasn't american regardless of the aircraft in the bassinet. this other essentially americans with directing this attack. so you say, okay, you know, we can have a lot about bowling and so that's good. well, what else is going on? i'm at extension, america is attacking ro to the territory. so this is even a longer attacking the don't bass related to, i think russian territory. that's a very serious business. and again, as we talk many times before, something's going to break and it goes with it because i want to rush, if you're a pro wrestler themselves see they will being attacked here by the americans. i mean, do you know how, how long can we tolerate this?

well, and also i think, quickly see with a zalinski is less than stellar visit to the united states. of course, he was addressing the general assembly, but he did meet with american politicians. josh hallway came out of a um, behind closed doors, a meeting with zelinski and or a with a who. it was an internal, a congressional meeting as i'm in sky when it happened later. but um, i mean, he came out and said, um this is it forever war? i mean, they're not giving is that now like and telling us, you know, if we expand this and expand that then we'll get this. he said, no, we're just gonna keep spending. no, josh, all we need is an outlier right now in american politics. it's not gonna change the outcome of the $24000000000.00 vote. they will go through mccarthy as usual caves on everything. but i mean, joshua holly is saying the quiet part out loud. martin is a, this is a,

everything is going exactly to play and actually we're yeah, i'm, but i think the overall components now with the new republican polity and also amongst the lead, generally in america to concede the things ongoing. that's one of his blog and things con, continue as the interest to go to the bank, and that's the rationale to keep spending money. well, if it's not working out right, then we have to spend more money. that's the logic. then once we pick the life me up to the, i think i think enough people are waking up to, to have to realize that that's not realistic. we can't repeat of kind of stuff. you know, i mean, the absolute to policy of, of kind of done how it was presented to the american public. i'm reality off it, you know, the corruption behind the 2 trillion dollars of ministry spending and who games the one from those contracts. we don't want you to get and i think that's a great to those gaps and now which is growing and america, i'm just a couple days ago for the policy. publish an article which question the morales of

view claim. well no, it wasn't really. i hit job own zalinski or ukraine, but i mean, it was hardly anything in the piece which actually articulate to headline. but the fact that we can run a headline and the fact that it could actually suggest that it's hot. now to make these morale stand up the case for the credit and credit and we'll, you know, i think not scanning, i think was i'm, i mentioned. and um, you know, unless you didn't have an easy time in america this time. you know, honestly i agree with george then when he, when he mentioned that to him, that the agent really took a particular swipe. but the polls, but he is beginning to panic because he's realizing that when the poll was mentioned that they wouldn't found anymore. i don't think that was serious. i think what i was saying or the what he was saying, the prime minister was that we can't do in the short term we have to re um on selves. but is the same case for many, many western european countries. their homes stokes on very low, you know,

they do it before we go to the break george of ukraine. there is no long term. there's only now george. yes, isn't it now? and um, and that's really the image with directions, both issues of loan to be very clever when it comes to election. so it may go to the right noises when it goes to election. and then afterwards, it's all over member, when in 2018, you know, for 2 years the democrats have been binding on about trump and rupture rush or refer, refer, refer rusher. and then it was time for mid terms. suddenly everybody talked about health care health care and that was going to help the selections, what health care health care help can no one mentioned russia. democrats, one boom, back to russia. it's the very good that they know what the boat is when they know both of the turned off. i told them that rupture tells you that, like, you know, they knew the, the, the pressure pressure brush is always on the back burner because it's going to be pulled out again, obviously in the next election cycle. jennifer, i'm gonna have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break,

and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our to the it says there's a line, the process on points in the way you perceive the view of your window pictures during the week. it is no longer personal, but rather detached obstructive ways,

you will know when we live on the 6th. so we feel like we're actually involved in everything that happens in the neighborhood, right? we're the ones that are not really or this essentially engagement of the longer just as soon as we go up to say to the 12 floor, stay in front of you from the window becomes more like a picture of an image on a tv screen tv. these are the the world of back across town for all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is the home edition remind you were discussing some be on this the okay, let's go back to martin america's. it's already been mentioned in this, in our program here is a really well i was gonna say some of what maybe not so subtle change of narrative

. so basically it's to pro, the way i see insulted bird again, either as a gaffe or, or he was intentionally cited, but he just admitted. yeah, this, the, the russians went into your crime because of nature expansion. very explicit about it. okay. you can't misinterpreted that. and then george took the wind out of my sales book saying it's all about china. so it's really interesting. so you don't have to, there's, you don't have to say that there's no moral ground anymore. it's not about democracy. it's about had gemini, though they don't use that word, but that's exactly what it is. and so since a project ukraine, well, it's not exactly working out as planned, but it's part of the larger picture because we have to fight the russians in ukraine. if we want to be safe from china, it's a, it's a logical extension to keep the of the, the current narrative of having a new cold war. and this time it's russia and china together. martin. yeah,

i'm switching the fold. it's, it's a locate which doesn't really at all, you know, we have the same problem and in america is we have in britain and, you know, we want to do great trade for china. we want to get close to china. and yet, every now and again, it suits all needs to do, even though there's china and to say these, they're very fiery, i'm things against the show i need to shine is having a hard time at the moment. the economy isn't games as well as it showed us affecting a lot of people. but this idea that we got a war with china is some, is learned very well, right? and because that seems to be the only way that the west con, carry on with a cheryl to carry on with destruction. the vote is away from the biggest subjects to pick a needs at home and keeping the corruption go and keeping the racket down. cause will, is a reckon, you know, but when we, when we ever get the i'm, i'm not sure. i think there's a lot to be done. so i thought mean that this idea um that was this very in century quotes from, from the department of ship out there, but you can bring in the tronic, my, you know, it reminded me of the choke,

hopefully, of the wealthy businessman and he was only york with his wife and his girlfriend and a son forwarded to the wall so and he throws the rope to his mistress and he's off laser. why? and he said, well, because the wife would understand it. i'm trying to watch the relationship. if the interview credit is either, if we go through the road to you, kind of, you know, what all the loyalty is now with the argument though, is it to its own people, its own demographic. also, it has all the big on your opinion project to it's a little crackly. it's not just the opponent's lack of support. elect less to support for the credit, was also lack of respect to reverence. who was that you go check. they've just just dismissed this, but this of the lifting of the found on a, you a grand, you know, the just, you know, that love we so we kind of it a number of these you eat or pin union countries just do their own thing when it suits them,

and i think the whole issue about pulling them out is withdrawing the spotlight on a new subject. we're just going to resonate with other member states as well, which is a know who comes 1st. is it the people of the member state, or is it the loyalty to fidelity to this big project, which is by much an experimental one, but a unit is this is about boats is this is, this is, this is you can get more groceries to this. it's about, you know, keeping it, but the dilemma is here, but the, the is the dilemma i, i think it's spot on when it comes to the i'm going to go to george now. but poland doesn't want to lose. um, its a sending position within nato because this, it's very important that they're going to be finding that brussels about just this reform it all, you know, all these, you know, that's the, that's, that's the, that's not going to change. but the, before the end, the nature of this form policy imperatives will truck, okay. and the polls know that that's why they couldn't, you know,

they control shade every once in a while, but down there and building to replace, you know, replace germany and france is a top of the totem pole in nature. that's absolutely right. i think that's, that's the key. same thing among the polish leaders. that's why they don't really care that much about the problem is except that there's an election coming up and they have to pay attention to that. otherwise they're not about that. but they have a big a deal political agenda which is to restore colon 2. it's a glory to be the leading power on governmental, your and it's not that difficult. now germany just seems to be faded away. i mean, sergeant schultz is, i have no way to be safe. i'm really in a bad bach. i mean was a flaming certainly wasn't. he wasn't seen at the general assembly. well, you know, he was no, no am to say they were little. i couldn't bite. and speak so you know, there's not no one there. so, um, so it is a, i'm in the, in a babel up was the same and as far on policy, my house instead of all over the place is one thing one day. and i make like follow

him is explicitly saying we are the leading power on the continental europe, and we are america's leading top here. so if america wants to go on exhausting its influence over europe, come to us, going to come to work. so, you know, is it where it is that it's really a brilliantly dovetails into what's for bo, which politicians have said that ukraine should not, in salt. poland. okay. is right in line with what you're saying because poland is representing the, the hedge amount. we are the name of the voice there, and if you want to get, if you give respect to the united states, you must give it to us. okay? not that if it's earned or anything, but we're standing, we're out of way and nothing. they weren't very clear. ok, martin, do the same thing here. you know, again a, this, the, i don't, i don't think politicians in eastern europe care about their farmers. i think they all care about where they are in the pecking order of the e. u. nato are construct,

okay, because they're all looking for the next job. a book. yeah. i mean, you know, we would have to defend check. okay. i mean, the people who bought. okay. so i think it's, this is more of a geo political play. and to show that, you know, you can't mess with poland, you know. and then i think of, of course, when somebody even watching is calling zelinski is people and telling them don't, don't assume them in the world trade organization and things like that. it's counterproductive. but it's kind of like in the soprano 0, tony, everyone's allowed to show these, you know, he's the boss more. that's a sure. that's a good to me. i love this. the problem is, yeah, that's right. all right. well, the moving aside from the surprise, i think that the best thing that i, i take away from this, the thing that sticks with me is the, the messages from po whether they are genuine or whether they're just pop full um,

just to go on people's lives the messages, the in the future, the best scenario is the we will reduce the funding to the your time will reduce. so i'm going to respond to because we've got around problems with time. and i think if the, if the pos stays empowered and it gets its coalition and order, it doesn't have to do any of the details. it will have to pay some so that those farmers, you call, i think, you know, joe, sourced, it suggests the, the, the, the, this, the not, there's nothing the to, to keep some, to keep, to put this for the, for the running a lead to actually stick to that problems, but that will be something i love to be solved by. i think so the options are willing to reduce imagery, spending towards i'm going to share towards you, credit or cut it will together, and that's where i think will be off to october. the 15th, that'll be some reaction. i think we can expect something from the poster. what can we expect from europe in union with you've got these renegade states like both of them to adjust literally, sticking to bring this up to the entire uh, you know, um,

architecture, the opinion and everything that it stands for by, you know, disrespecting, these are you rules that, congo, all those to be a ration from europe in unit. i don't know. we'll see. i think give me nato membership is a very powerful position. george jump in. yeah, i think so. i then, when you say the rules when the you broke the rules in the 1st place by lifting the tyrants on a ukrainian bray. and i mean, the whole point of the is the combination of a cultural pause and the whole point of the common agricultural policy is to protect your being from those from cheap uh, food stuff from the rest of the well. so it was the you that 1st broke its own rules and everyone accepted this until the phone was rebel. the you came in, the switch makes your finance bid for the you even hold it. yeah. the like, it's never going to be in the you and it's never going to be in nato. okay. or a gentleman more rapidly running out of time. the name of,

of name is program zalinski watching zelinski, george citrix digit. uh, i found his address and the way getting crazy immediate presented it is. um, well it's, it's, it's just a textbook case. and really she bad propaganda. what am i saying? as zalinski, according to ukrainian television, i'd say what is addressing the general assembly, keywords in the audience, okay. he's pulled off something, but no one has ever done before being in 2 places at one time charge, which this is a remarkable, interesting lady was also in canada. i was addressing the bottom of the in canada and along side zelinski was a 98 year old, the old codger who was fighting for ukraine in independence in world war 2. the news gossip breathless explained. actually he was fighting for the nazis. so they went to canadians left the ro is one of the but old man, 98 years old. yeah. he was fighting for the nazis. i don't know whether they fully understood it. well, they just don't care. probably they just don't care anymore. well,

i don't think they know any more. okay. i, i display, you know, the me, it seems to me that the new generation of history is that russia was the great enemy during the 2nd world war. this is what they are priming of western audiences to believe all the rest of it. oh, that's just hollywood stuff martin. yeah, and i think unfortunately, that's part of the use crack down on freedom of speech. how it's making it harder and harder for journalists actually to the work and write the stories which tell the history as well, you know, and this has been something that was something going on for quite some time. and started years ago. i remember watching an article about the 1st um, the 1st discussions in the bottom of about, about finding out to, you know, how, how can we, we put all the out of the spotlight because the a, you doesn't want anybody questionnaire. it's narrative. it doesn't want anybody asking the tough questions. it just wants basically a,

a certain amounts of, uh, the media who are just following the, to the, the, the now to, i'm doing this to another fate. you know. i know he goes over the insurance, is that the insurance thing is, is part of the pool and slip each other as well. it's just not subject very close to my house, but there's no, you know, it's getting worse. the screws aren't tied to, you know, it's more channels to being arrested. no gentle is a big facing legal actions, but just simply reporting from the other side, just reciprocal reporting of what rushes to it towards novels or even having a point to do that. yeah, well they don't, they want to, they don't want to admit george to give the last 15 seconds. they don't even watch . we meant there is another side. these issues go ahead your definitely they don't and that's why they have now adopted all sorts of legislation. i mean, you're in the u. k, u, of the online safety bill, and they, in the, you, you have this online, the digital act, or whatever it's called, which is too bad. a speech that, you know, challenges the narrative. i mean,

you can always wrap it always because we're band aid speech or you know, where it goes, fulls narratives, right? gaines, this information against russia. but essentially they want to make sure that the alternative viewpoints uh suppressed as the case as heard here. that's all the time we have, gentlemen, i think my guess in america and in budapest where i think our view is for watching us here at our teach the next time. remember, press stop, rules the

as soon as 2060 numerous monuments to serve as soldiers in poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed or vandalized as tish. this, though bye must be the most certainly within. yeah, i'm not sure. or even some others could ask if i'm in the field, that's the most on my page. it's professor almost 3 of the police government denies the rule of soviet sonya is in the victory of a naziism. and is it raising historical memories of world war 2? is the 40 piece from your store. although it did seem a non c regimes, the trustees would remain, thinks in people's consciousness, but have a but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost. yes. yeah, most of the i'll provide i need to see because of the

facts. do i need to be? uh yes. the, the welcome to wells a part the city's was considered to be the cradle of civilization. have come full circle to south life out of it, but it doesn't have to be this way. this is an arguments proof for us. but my guess today i'm she doesn't just preach it. she moved from moscow to siberia to make his own life more fulfilling and advance and new brands of.