this, we should not give preferential treatment to any rule. and so we believe that there is no discrimination, but at the same time, no prevention of treatment. and i think we're doing the same thing. that's why i don't think there's a chance we back up on our resolution. well, that's all for this is our, as always, is great to have your company here all the time along the phone and welcome to all the part. the city's was considered to be the cradle of

civilization, have constant circle to seth life out of it, but it doesn't have to be this way. this is an arguments put forth by my guest today. she doesn't just preach it. she moved from most course to siberia to make his own life more fulfilling and advance and new brands of bourbon is the one that informs the designs of cities with the needs of a human soul. how is it possible to discuss that? i'm now joined by a russian to urban sociologist because i don't even know that, especially for sure. i told her it was. thank you for your time. so happy to be here. i was the was from what i've learned about, excuse me, a cost. it seems to me that other than the original dates between how you doing most as to what ultimately takes priority for to your consciousness or existence. you seem to be more non with mom or something different than other words. she believes that one's environment determines that perception of the world are for sure. yet. if i did, i get the try to spot that. it's got

a wealth of see very slowly i'd say, always comes down to making your claim on something that even if you go to the point where they usually so one of the 5th uh, was my buddies, permanent post boxes for the last the set, the model is have a right to the city when i go to the home. now right to shape our environment, we will pick up and it's that will decide how the environment will affect doesn't re, timely, is what they, they show you much of the oven dynamics in the fold. exactly like that. and up and who is the groups of people claiming that right. so determine what the city should look like. does a in the city these what the nice thing that's crucial to it teaches us, i've just city is not something fixed or something and bought it that they're sick, the city. and so there's always an arena when multiple different abuse costs with each other. in other words, i'm planning, you know, sense are so still it seems to me, the kind of city would call a good city. what really is one that enables as much of the population as possible for them to be involved in this processing? the must mean? yeah. initially i system with the with them as for going back to marks and how i go,

well, but i personally, i think those have a point to, it just plays out differently, a different stages of life. so the 1st environment influences your mindset. well, so then your mind just sets the environments, but i do agree with you that in nurturing environment that makes life more joyful, involved, and enjoyment is a basic existence show. kind of the motion that came is my question is what tools that the connection is. food we use to maximize o enjoyment of life. so our happiness, some of them kind of shifted and also listed them on the subject. at the minimum you, well, it's not really rocket science as we should. there is some very basic boxes. the essential is the best thing is mental state and sustain, usually a crime commuter, for example, living in an environment with a lot to assign the details to grab your attention and to the job and monotone surroundings which you can often find on the train with edges of us cities and the suburbs have a negative impact on your mental health as well as a marketing. by contrast, the study done with, if you look at some of the old buildings to say the 19th or the 20th century is the

best thing with the details of mine. your brain is actually picks up on them, making you feel better. it has an old shot. jim cook, one good. how does that work? is it about authenticity as pro variability, or perhaps novelty, where and randomness doing was, you know, is the past to do with being so as captivating. what's the, what do you mean by that? the person what the federal ago, if you look at nature, don't say when you go to a party of you a couple, you see trees for excise and trees of fact. so in nature that is a and this to repeat the identical past, the land or well also producing an insane amounts of their id numbers here. i would invite slice, giving up the human eye is very much used to dealing with, right? so pharmacies are on the close of the environment we observe. is there a fact to so far the best us and we'll show there's by some shots. so essentially the more things we create that resemble nature. so let's say the adversity can your number i easier it gets for us to deal with it. so shouldn't correct dark interior

. some of this estimating what a, by the way i learned from one of your lectures affected genuinely surprised me. you said that in deceit is where people typically leave in mouth to story buildings to staples perception of the well changes that once they move about a certain for the 8 for small. yes, the 8 2nd. but how does it change? i pull chance are still kind of to me is because the view from the windows turns into the kind of painting. there's always just a picture with those names that have been very studies looking. does he live on the 7th sleep? i'm saving was 9th floor is that cetera wouldn't over just as it turns out, there's a line you cross at some point of within the way you receive the view of your window. knock, cook's extra human, the wheel is no longer personal, but rather to talk. i've started to integrate um, what is you will know when we live on the 6th. so we feel like we're actually involved in everything that happens in the neighborhood, right? you were the ones who are not reading it. what does a sense of engagement of belonging to just missed? so as soon as we go up, you must say to the troll floor, you know,

stay above the view from the windows, it comes more like a picture to do. i have an image on the tv screen tvs. i'm kind of distance specs, so we have no roll and you see the sky towards us, the suspect tights, a scrap when you, which obviously things are still happening now. the but we no longer define ourselves through the mean. yeah. with no more than the cost of spectators. yes, but yeah. destination, but i also recall you making the point that they make time to the shapes. the prevalence of russian from urban spaces have a depressing is fact some of the human psyche guys. yeah. could you explain why? oh, so can you say you consider a tree and compared to a square, a legislative tree as well as far removed from the square as it gets lost? the key comes in much in the right time, you will treat more or less, it costs you've trimmed into that shape on purpose. what about trick tenure in the mountains? that's an exception of course, but it happened with a mountain was still have some side for the complex frank associated with it. i visual with again my me and like i said, i wish to a natural looking object. so pleasant to look at me. i have yet to where is objects

that are low natural, to the greatest extent, and some like ones that have a lot of right angles to make as oppressive use with miles because it's an environment. this is familiar to us and the sort of category. uh, you know, my environment which just keep my lodge please asian to us from an evolutionist on point the history of rights. i go through the flying you while you've seen, you may have thousands. it is the question we expect from the financial point of view, especially a building like that, if it's more cost effective and easier to construct any around their own, she should buys new yashira bytes or so you're exactly right. you know what financing joseph was throwing, obviously, building something natural looking is the custody of. uh yeah, i would advise them about why we optimize our construction practices. some of them in such a way is to get the most of it, which square me to get this go that'll throwing me up at our weird music. have you noticed any changes in the overall trends from us because of the one hand to the free country? if i'm going multiple generations of assembling, have had to share the same room is probably better. so leaving the larger building

that no matter how it's time to learn, as long as they can all have separate faces, that us people's basic needs. and then we have some other necessities come into play. is there a particular trend in rush elsewhere to sort of embellish your living space? not necessarily to make it resemble nature, but that would be way too expensive. but like, for example, the traditional russian flag beds in towns and villages near the houses looks somewhat similar, but each has its own identity. who is mother? it's a, it's a, but there's a kind of and all the time it's on the sickness of what it's done, which the average consumers can only afford to live in a relatively uncomfortable environmental. it's just the chief in a nickel fort, i say though, it's only the wealthy you can afford better environment to describe this page to me, try it out with if that's a huge problem of with a barrel. i'm not sure looking things a very expensive story. it's so are the people who can afford them and you're satisfied with them generally live in a more pleasant environment. with assertion people, this is in no,

it must phenomenon with the buckeye store and unfortunately so far that the must have it. but the reason demoss consumer can only afford surroundings with a detrimental to them. i believe so, but what says more than see, it isn't even countries apologize susceptibility to accommodate the notion at all. sometimes even conflicting the work of multiple very disappointing social groups coming back to your point about the level of comfort. yeah, i've lived a menissi, it is 2 hours my life, but i chose to move to moscow. most of our cars i have to leave, which of course, very good balance here between the conference of molding solicitation to the availability of nature parks reverse it, such as not that i don't know that you have a very different as the core of and that's why you left the capital vista because it's really about most go is a strategic i hope they have. so it's both personal preferences or sponsor. it's got to meet me, erica, as a professional. so now what comes 1st is how must go managers this of and dynamics of what the, so to the left the city because i disagreed with the way it was handled as we go

through it. so that more strongly me able is the whole process is way too much go from a very top down and prescriptive the up in the most. i knew i had no way to embarrass by environment that i would that the move uh and because they are 6 times where i live today. yep. and you might feel as much more ownership, which of the city and what the story means. nothing can be imposed on me by far away stream with the what do you mean by that? but i would say you want to change something in your neighborhood, so sorry. do you mean it will be much easier to do that in cross new years compared to most go once you've done all sorts of or thursday? yeah, the very least cuz we should thoughts. i will never find myself in a situation where i'm piece of threatened with physical violence when i see a manual, which, which is not uncommon, i must go. let's go as far as i know in moscow and a gun. we could disagree on this for the rest of it forwards is here, including that's a local level, like in my district, doing

a great deal to involve the public, an urban development. it's an e mail or business insure. it may have something to do with politics. for example, the 1st person has a say in how it parks in the neighborhood is renovation, unless they will more likely vote for the head of the local administration to do a bunch of such a due process has very slow. because on the one hand, people often prefer this or paternalistic attitude, where someone else does everything for you things, but on the other hand, and many of them weren't even cleaned up after the dogs and the parking has been okay with striking balance here. and it says, how do we build horizontal communication between the person trying to better shape their environment and the city of solar? it is that in a sense, just about charged with making sure that everyone finds that environment comfortable. no. doing so much, i believe must go, was just too late to realize this. i think they should have thought to do it. it should be not something such 12, my colleagues and i from the graduate school. if i moved in as a run of autism patriot. and design project about right,

because i knew where we showed the most estates are design has a kind of magic it back to it needs to remind you that the people become involved. they get to open up out what they want and they're happy with the result of yeah, use you shall see of an oil must go up, but the must go authorities, let's just say those on the back end when parts are during the assembly plant referring the old top down approach it guys him because he met with the with my me while i've got the strong surprisingly enough for those regional authorities across 1st has started to lean a lot towards participate. 3 of them on a house. now it seemed as healthy to consult with local communities. i'm young about all sorts of landscaping and development projects of little stories to what i must create and must go into. however, this approach only starts, it's getting traction a year and a half ago. well, i said better late than never does so totally happen on paper as a full procedure was a, do people actually get a chance to shape their own environments of life? i mean, in green, those things reaching

a consensus for the neighbors. um is i've used to for falling into that, it depends on the contract to come on the phone, usually their teams who they are actually seeing. so in gauged the residents and shooting yet give them a voice, searching for them. so they can have a real impact on the final project, just based on what we had some prior or the sponsors. but then there was like, is to only follow the formal procedure. you sent me a lot about the workshop with people only to ignore that, which is a couple of the design, something completely different of what they see. it looks at a new, unfortunately able to be solving development is very much dependent on the contract to what the, there's no professional standard lot, if they know establish procedures when it comes to participate, to refine a list, i'm going to utilize and process. so they're a good contracts as well, and there are but one with the now we've got one customer less. if the police think the saw it says send has done that. it's in the room, political interest as the not only for the people to see the f 1st when it comes to making the cd that to, you know, i chose that also for them to feel

a sense of belonging of engagement. molly, or with their big by for a towards the service, the for the it also depends on the large agents somebody is because there is no so much with each other with our thoughts. he's going to be involved to different extent multiple things. when we worked with algamite in the code screech in both of your book price and we've done it to, i've been funding projects the washing, but we need to ortiz, but i'll send them a. it was very much involved for moving your mind restored. when we saw that he understood how meaningful they also don't want the version on. so there are also cases when the administration orders the services and i for them with a lot of because it looks good on paper things, but it's an order. but later on they all comes to me, nothing can be a pro for them. i. so that is a level we have to offer. i thought right now. but so you, what are you going to do, research and research and lives with it to develop it. just speaking of what we're going to do, we're going to take a short switch. right, right now, we'll be back after a short break stations. the

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who in the west voted for this now? forever war the welcome back to is a par transmission urban sociologist. even of the terms we used to create turn into editor of the ebony ism, is life and purpose channels. i agree, the urban is miss about purpose and meaning which of life purpose for the most part we're dealing with tonight is viewed differently even by different people, him watching. but as of the more rushing and soviet culture promoters with the measure of strong resilience peoples and is, let's see, have one little sliver of d n. a way to make sense. and by 10, c, g knowledge, geography, many gigabyte history and all political contacts for adult volition, well,

even had to survive. but no, we're talking about moving them and not just surviving. are you living full conscious, meaningful lives in harmony of surpassing assessments? let me, how far do you think russians are from the pulling out of see i have with where they will have enough energy and resources is to focus on the extras that we're talking about right now. it's a new system wants to check out the force of dividing the most most recent shows that russian is, you know, that's fine with that way of life and yeah, oh, sure what they want to live in different lives. oh, it's summer so. so the average russian wants to live away from big cities, which is read, so really care what are the city surrounded by nature. so i see the nice naples of the, of the low rise above and house. and they show me that i'm saying, what is, what's in reality, real to the average us and listen an up and send things to you and a high rise building. those are 25 laws or even more and doesn't know that name is

nice. so it's i see what the most i'm going to bishop, this is actually a big problem with this distinction and burnished the russian dream of living comfortably. so you all know is not coming true. come sort of considered. yeah. unusual lights. is this problem caused by the see to is a residential issue that leverage russian. but we're still talking about defects, essential issues here. when i hear speak, i sometimes feel like you're trying to blame that cd of far to this. we're where should we start with the logic and i'm from the outside to go from the inside. only 60, we're talking about underline. it's a psychological issues when people are supposed to work and understand in themselves that minute who they are and what they need to do to make their lives as in the way they want them to be in open. you installed the full shapes and it's not just some personal motivation. we're dealing with it. we hope it's almost uh when presented with the choice between suburban is the low rise housing with it from what kind of common in a high rise buildings that are the persons who don't like what is usually

a palm and liberal and then continue stream about suburban life yeah, we are in cloudy, vosta canals, a region that offers default eastern heck and type programs correct with anyone who has enough energy can gather land and do that. but as far as i know, not too many people have taken advantage of this opportunity hold. i think it was you without them, if you're writing all of this, not a very popular program the most, there's things, one of the reasons being the fact that the land and the reason is, you know, the really good for farming is the mazda service can, for this, along that you must always be a very risky and of a habits here. i was usually, but like i have, i get almost your style or the if this program will understand the thoughts i'll like us felt a little more people will be willing to join it to us. this number one way the most . that is, secondly, to hard times a month serious going, i agree. culture is enough. everyone with use your card. so it's a nobody and people wants to live in low rise residential buildings. and at the same time have access to up inconveniences. i'm going to school because the reason i haven't opened lifestyle, press the,

i just thinking that there's no such options an hours to get to that. i mean the premium that's alone for individual housing construction is we're not introduced until recently when you go so far as new shocks. and i believe is an important step towards achieving the russian dream. no one, but it only happened recently. and what is the russian dream, or is it like you said, living in the countryside and being able to enjoy the blessings of civilization. huh. no, no, right. oh, there's nothing. zillow. rosky, do. any of the russian people have a security mindset. oh, they need like peasants. in the old days, so the solve just wondering if i thought of it. so they prefer living in complex local communities, relevant, crowded places and buy it. the more that's why small town communities are so solid in russia ocean. and there's also good natured, you know what they mean also model but the small and you go to my personal experience with small towns town shows that they have some very pleasant social settings to shooting and starting to look really new to i think the local residents

are very friendly to one another and open to all types of cooperation work, but they don't say appreciate good. and they've been us lucian saying, and so i see a story. there's some of these big cities don't off at the same time. it depends on the size of the town or perhaps and the quality of their living environment. oh, that's awesome. you know which insurance? nice, nice place. so essential. not the jimmy shall go to the smaller town. i suppose i'm good. the more chances they will have a close knit older, i believe, solid community deal which and it will shape and develop this town. you let them plenty of the that was on a chaise question. with rob ross guessing about to a question about madison. hey, go, we have a situation in his thoughts. so when this smaller the size, it almost seemed to morgan influence residents have on that sounds environment e has more than this to the great to the site and do finding well this environment will look like void. and that's the worst thing. this is the russian saying that you can take the girl, we're out of the country, you know that you can take the country out of the go. it's usually mentioned a negative way. but in this context, it's a good thing to be able to create this kind of countryside environment around your

community for people who shape this in environments and full use of and makes you feel it ends in doing so. they also reflect your own identity and attention to know what so severe chicago solutions elegy starts, isn't showing out the comparing the differences between the city and the countryside. and so you can put aside the 20th century and show these by show this at a big city with a specific human interactions. was gap machine very different from the countryside here, and his social relations reports or to buy some warranty i need is a to call me compact and all day sure for them or just the studies brought them to the conclusion about towards the 1934 and the store people living in the big cities are actually is able to buy and constant search of the countryside. you should video now trying to set up a network of close connections in the environments. a tool. full credit is similar to the countryside who rubles beforehand now with the company site, and suddenly strongly that comes to worst on the other hand, is the modern research of the countryside. taking some share,

at least the roles that someone's located in central russia reported unprecedented optimization on february at the muse. i'd say you've got to remember that as a much didn't even buy more than make a policy that for you, sir. now what you're talking about real areas is more than russia, so that yes, the customer model region, for example, the villages evenings of the tests are my region and you know that the number of pets across, right, and you stop by and if they do join with the f us with the locals, it's usually hotter than you is an extremely optimized society. what the, so in this sense are the juxtaposition of the city and the countryside. and that is wrong with the stick it on with always find the big cities in the countryside and vice versa. you attempted to create a village in a big city. yeah. as far as the way, i think i know that you've completed a study of towns, friendliness of the life of nice to get i don't several factors when mentioned in its setup and i've got a lot of them. uh, simplicity of navigation, stuff on living. got say hi, to be honest,

i was surprised. you mean with almost always i, with all the electronic services that are available to die or you can simply ask for directions to see how anyone can have problems in finding the right. oh, because apparently the have all kinds of ways. so starting with the citizens out resumes, that's the purpose of studies i need to to include the things that are surprising to see. these are the actual date to recall, which is surprising that i was saw some of the fights i would say power to irritates, of which some to boy, oh well, it turns out that some people find that essential. so i have an idea of where they are and you know, whether it's going with you and what they should do. and if something happens, electronics, navigation instruments can help them here. so all the notes available widely, not yet how good really fit in the system. this is the electronic means of navigation. is any of your pets or some sort of across the result to when we are desperate line for them. and we have no idea what to go next. all of a, do you mean to keep the ones communication? is that what you're saying?

you're people, one on our communications and the super digital means of communication, okay? that seem to something that we results a when kind of our communication file, it's a, there's a boy on dimensions. so it's always fun with lots of you know, communication without using all phones and another very important cent interest in fact. or that determines the perception of an open environment is the number and quality of toilets available as this especially mattress queen. and i can say that for myself, children and elderly people have given rise. where do you think 2 of us are the best of the worst in russia? you know, galaxy and well, i don't know whether it was the scale of size. this is okay. think all the see it is that said a good example of disregard christ. i am currently housed by honestly just speaking to when working cause the hospital world is almost always the raw. the well appointed toilet needs to be found within walking distance. what kind of shows during the 20th and what the, what the price on, because that's why one can take very long walks across the oscars not dropping and

falls with a bodily bind water from empty key right outside the building without having to worry about interrupting the wall, so many credit issue money, and we've talked about that. i don't know if there's no sense because presley or downtown has at least 70 toilet modules installed toilet, which is a lot with an ocean logo at the was it a deliberate effort on the part of local urban experts find yourself in or did it just happened? it's a special attention has been paid to this insurance across my gars boy that i didn't know and you have 12 block, are you still there was some special program that them on the units compassion of yours and the 1st night. yes. for this request, they are sort of brings the categories you might have lived in is who are in charge of arranging the cities public spaces of kept in mind. the idea of the public space is as low stuff. so let's move and it was done. you knows what the ship got, the car is the basic need that didn't require a special programming company. also to be able to look like we just decided to park it on a roll. it in many of the cities is not the case. and i'm looking for other ways

that we can do that and but what do you i spoke, but i would say probably of us talking about the extra the spend quite a lot of time showing around the city a stay there and didn't see even once or that much roles are kind of introduced. it's almost in walking. if i go to the. yeah, well, i wasn't easy enough to retrace centrally and ask the museum staff member for directions to a toilet. and she said in an insulted way, that's why this is an u. z on here because if looking for a toilet was something in this and that's what was embarrassing, not to to, you know, from funded russian culture in christmas. where did you think it comes from, does and by shoulder, and the temperature has an attitude towards what is essentially basic, need to talk. and let's just run the for your daughter. well, this is a way of culture is if you're going to use the coaches, for example, where same decent aim to eat outside and seem them uh, pretty gm shall using is a very intimate for them that they're going to. so they don't even think of anything and publics, and find their coaches in which bodily discharge and then decent something that

them and some coaches, there's not as manifested at the slide, be able to send them off. or i'm saying that for example, they're st toilets in front of that and nothing more than corners where people walk in to do that business through. well, ok, well they show a relatively public lease as part of that. so we are still within, let's hope the time of the example of crossing the gars could help change the situation across the country toward her has been incredibly interesting to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. so that was a pleasure. thank you for watching hope this air again, honey wells, of course the, [000:00:00;00] the,

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