up, so i need a full list of various categories to play the the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. i am peter lavelle, ukrainians, panhandler, known as the landscape is beginning to lose some of his polish engineer. western elite still adore him. after all, lensky is their creation. however, western publics are showing signs of doubts. who in the west voted to this now forever war the crossings of lensky? i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he's

a legal in media analyst and where then we have anthony webber. he is an independent political commentator. and in lisbon we crossed to natalie morris. she is the host of the redacted podcast, right across black roles. and the fact that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate, i'm going to kick it off with line on line. or i said in my introduction, but the lensky is a, an invention to construct of the west. uh, particularly the united states with the u. k. goes along with it, nato landlords all put it together. well, what do you think? how, when, if i'm gonna ask you, how would you say that that construct looks what, what, what makes it tick? lionel, as well as to those who understand it, that's one thing, but i'm sorry to say, i hope i'm not taken out of context, but the majority of people in my country here are completely disconnected as to who we is because we live in a world a fog of make, believe it any way from taylor's web to kim car fashion. what's another media construct? what is this idea?

if you had told me that all you need to do is to create a character with the green t shirt and some veiled reference to finding someone. and then just this, this bravado embryo, and that would be enough. i would say no, no, no, america would need to know specifics and what's the goal? and we would have remembered peter the days of vietnam and, and we're not going to fight again because of no, it goes to show you yet against that anything can be packaged. and if you provide as little as possible, but make sure you utilize also the social media platforms to promote things like flags and waving and anything that is either anti russian or as you put in orange, you throw that mixture in and you weren't guaranteed complete and total pavlovian obeisance, and that's what we're getting natalie and elizabeth, and of course we're all aware of the incident that happened in the canadian parliament, the celebration of ukrainian nazi. and in, in parliament they stood up like seals in clouds. okay. i mean these are supposed

to be part of them and terry ins. okay, this is one of the most embarrassing fool pods i've ever seen in my life. though i beginning to be convinced that it was actually intentional because they are trying to rewrite history and they're using this guy in the, in khakis to, to do it. well, what were your thoughts on that? because this, this was, i can't believe no one knew what would they were doing. natalie wright, this idea that russia did not fight on the same side, allied forces seems to be completely lost in the context. so if you're talking about that, this man for the ss, thoughts against russia, you would have to know then that russia and america, and canada, and the west and western europe were all on the same site. so you could replace that and say, this man actually fought against canada, this man fight against the united states. would they still stand up or are they even listening? and so it's so confusing to think about. are they ignorant or are they sheep?

and i cannot answer for that at this point. i, i just wonder, is it that the west has done such a great job with propaganda? that we have a good guy, a good guy in zalinski. and we were successful at painting him as this sort of, i don't know, you know, useful, right along side car to the trump administration, scandal of the zalinski call. so already we thought like, oh, that poor guy, he would just drag through the mind, right. and then he pops back up again as this here, when it just proves how useful you can be you or how useful it is to have a good guy. and a bad guy. and zalinski right now is being used as the personification of west. well, well, definitely let, let's read it. i agree with you, but let's be clear. i mean, he's cutting to nice paycheck for doing it as well. okay. all right, well i, i'm not talking at all about his intentions. uh, you know,

you would think that somebody, with maybe a bit more morals would say, i can't be used to drag, animate, innocent men to their death anymore. well, i, well, i'm, i don't want, i want, i want to cancel. i want to get that the intentionality here, because i think it all has to do with actually money. and anthony, i what, what i think is, is very interesting, is this event in canada. and then zalinski goes around and explains what the western canon is, is if he knows me where i live, you know, i've been in this country russian for 25 years. i remember zelinski his true calling a comedian, playing a piano without any clothes on. okay. and now he's been reinvented as the new churchill, which is really quite extraordinary. that's why it's all a marketing deal. go ahead anthony. as well. yeah. so, i mean, he's being picked out see this role, but he's being are pretty, you're not set. he's played is called to tell me exactly what he's being sold to days. um and they said trust the guy was looking guy. they are about the door

a pipe is risk for our availability. they are trying to try and see what another cause is allowed to stay under couple of his colleagues for the failed as having of sure will um, found loose and companies uh, in the 2nd for america by the use of this. how long and um, uh, even lawyers are very big all these crazy but navigation is misappropriation of money. um he still seems to get away with it because the media and the people who control the media. i've got the confidence, i think right. good doing well that, that i want for should lazy when there is tossing his foot by 8. um, so, um, already, uh we, we seeing what happened with the canadian paulman. i used to do it just to replace, allows us to see how much they could get. so while he waited yet, but he has

a shirt and very, very is somewhat position to this whole. so there's that. oh yeah i, i think i'll also have to general public and i've also progressed in countries the guessing entirely if i talked with visual but they got married boys, there's very little media which gives them a voice to soul because even the traditional uh so that puts you on take try channels uh seems to be controlled by cable vested interest as well. but eventually i think the voice is, will get house and uh, already best division in uh, some of the eastern european countries. right. uh, is this i wrestle out with you clean and uh you can see about so let me see go over confident page but see can go around the wild side while the rooms in sales people are you guys are using uh, who's on bus. so there was

a been installing wimbledon credit. uh huh. so for former principals, i would say it's getting to be under jake and uh, but then that you see the people, the pay my us is look at people i selected, stay as dispensable. so what was these prices pots? they'll be somebody else. i can try. yeah. all right, let's, let's, let's recall, uh, i mean, how soft, gosh, really, what do you see right now? he's wanting to stay in prison. okay. i want while i go, where is he? oh, he went back to his mother's basement. okay. this happens all the time. like, 0, one of the things that's very troubling here is that zalinski signed up to basically cv, and i elation of his entire country. i mean, you gotta be paid a lot of money to do that because i that's the only explanation i have is the gripped. okay, you keep the grid going as long as you possibly can. then you get

a golden parachute lionel. i don't think that narrative is going to ever make it successfully, at least where i am. you don't want to go back to something that was said. this is about images. this is about psychology. this is about this man. again, no question of good versus evil. apple that think left right. good guy, bad guy. i tell people this and they think i'm kidding. if you have, if, if mr. lansky wore a suit versus his t shirt if he, if, if this were played in any other way going back, hearkening back to the romantic days of cash grow. going back to the idea of, of a country that didn't this murky thing called history. you know, i, i cannot tell you how today i am still bombarded with people on the right. especially right now we're using words like i'm in his left is marxist comedy as a and confusing that with fascism. what and there's this, there's this hodge podge. just kind of a slum, guardian of images. there's also something that i tell people right now in our

country. there's a big debate about the congress closing down and funding. and what about student loans? and i'm telling you your student loan that is in ukraine and, and once i tell people i'm saying, do you understand there's not been one hiccup? not one second of anything. you don't even know where the money is going. there's no audit. this is your money. well, well, but line like line or there's no audit when you go to natalie real quick here. but here, i'm glad you brought up the, the government shut down, even if it does shut down, which it will, it's kabuki theater here, but the payments, the ukraine will not be interrupted. natalie. yes, but i want to address what you said about this. so lensky is an actor and zelinski is making money and there is corruption. and those things kind of slip through the cracks of american media. they sort of are past off as if they're extremist pacifism, right? what i think people don't understand. and really, i think, you know, for me, that looks beyond the media narrative. but what are the facts is that the lensky

allowed the people of the don boss to be attacked for 10 years. he ordered extra attacks on the don boston 20212022 was preparing to attack crimea, and that the people there asked for russian protection and voted to become a part of russia. those things are undeniable. they are not being presented to the west, and the rest of it is being packaged as extremist or passive as propaganda. and that's the thing that makes me so crazy is that there are facts there. so when you put zalinski on your social media or a ukrainian slide as your profile, what your saying is that i don't know, i don't care or i don't understand that this government has been firing and attacking civilians and then escalated a war in order to get nato's attention and it worked as proof positive of your social media profile. yes, yes. and it is a tacit acceptance of it forevermore that none of us ever voted for. alright,

i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that chart, bracewell continue word, assess discussion on zelinski state with the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality. distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really once a better will's image. the shows you fractured images, presented as 1st can you see through their illusion going underground? can the mostly, the creatures rush it said,

call the fellow to boast and you have to bill for the accident. pizza would also try your school to boston where you'd have to go over, you know, 15 you sleep called for getting them. yes. don't academic just beeping. what does it mean? is it close to enough color? the heaviest people moaning the stucco soon? us probably quite a little needs them. i mean, what do you want us to mass or does anybody know? yes that that will turn out because ox. yeah. bush, that's good on let me please. the dentist is i go out a political point. my associates will be sort of us, but i plan on body. boeing basel i'd be calling them just lama for a buick. know pretty of the year to do on 3 of the that's what, but it was wayne punk, she on suddenly like shut about 2 hours that seemed pretty into it till evident continental the

welcome ex. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter le belcher menu . we're discussing zalinski the okay, let's go back to anthony here. um bill, uh, bill crystal, the arch neo con. you don't have to say g o p or democrat. he's just a neo con. he'll go with, you know, he'll go with it. whatever paymaster, here the g o p is in the name of the g o. p bill kristol is going to be promoting a, a commercial a goes along the lines when american arms. when america arms ukraine we get a lot for a little. essentially, war is good. this is a campaign to kick in the forever war. i don't know how many of them i guess or audience saw josh holly after a briefing, and he said the quiet part out loud. this plan is to keep the world going on

forever. anthony, go ahead. well, it is terrible who would have to say so nobody suspects. i'm america's giving bobby for money because like i said, you have lots of destruction of russia. russian forces without spending lives of americans service. people, of course really pass those inside of a trade because a number of americans service people have to. all right, but it's, uh, it's a little bit in caps on the, on the right. but it's, it's not cable was the policy and after understand when drivers support. so that's how the game's free. this idea. so in my, i've gotten a sound, but then there's a sort of side, right? yeah, there's not a mandate for a for apple and all of her trunk, cheese and rolls are at miss are told frank chairs supply and all this defense

talks with the us with movie 42nd 1000000000 site. you saw my country. do you guys certain points tree 1000000000 and i'll send a loss of all the money which is different and see you they the crime box on there is not in mine very well. so i have to for this, and uh, they have to go to a site for the referendum, said crime at the top of c. street pops all of a sudden you're crying, but it's probably to say, become positive. russia by you side, by not recognizable penguins even give elections in the ukraine. good price by the name, i'm was, i'm glad you brought that up because i think that the, the boat and the don bass inclined me. it were more valid. the referendum were more valid than the 2020 election, but now i'm getting ahead of it myself. okay. that's

a different topic. litle it's, it's very into. i'm glad that anthony brought it up because, um, there is will, because of zalinski says there is martial law in ukraine. they can't have elections . well, i mean, the united states had elections in afghanistan in the rack during a, a war. uh so and united states had an election in at $1864.00 during the war. but so let's get you turned around say, well, if you give me $55000000000.00, maybe we'll think about it here. i mean, the graft is just outrages, lionel. i'd be thinking what we are seeing right now if i could take and i'm sorry to keep saying this, but just the average american and even even those people who fancy themselves just being politically and news as to let's say the fox news contingent or anybody and if i gave them a device and every time anything that we mention, a name, a city, a done by the soleski, if ever any of this sound remotely familiar,

all they had to do was just push a button. you would see this flat line. what we are doing is this is international, political theater discussion. this has no basis. this would not even be recognizable in most areas on most ations, at most platforms here where i am. that's the problem. this is fantastic. i thoroughly enjoy mentioning and talking about this. but this has no audience here and, and i'm trying to figure out why is it, is it because of the complexity? no. is it because the, the, the subject matter is it's foreign. he does, is it history? is it the school system? i don't know what it is this, this insatiable in curiosity, this level of detachment, this idea that give me a punch drunk something i to look at almost like a name brand good or evil. got it. i'm over here now. you know, how much time we're talking in this country about hunter biden. but do,

do you know this, this is the, this is the most you want to think about this laptop or whatever it is. i cannot be leave this, this is wall to wall and i'm thinking it's a distraction. well the light oh light. oh, if it's really quite hilarious. actually. i hillary clinton so you know, we are, it was elizabeth warren, all roads lead to russia. actually. they hauled into pretty, we'd see a good part of russia gate was invented in ukraine. ok. i mean that, that. ok here, natalie. what's, what's really interesting is it'd be seen as a landscape likes to go around the world stage of some kind of celebrity. but his poll numbers are really bad in ukraine because of corruption because corruption is, i mean, it was always there, but it's really ramp and right now, i mean, and, and then his wife, i don't know what was all about that he might not run or i don't think there will be an election because i think he wants to stay president preparatory. go ahead, natalie. yes, but the polls for zalinski were really low, even before the conflict. so this is not new. we know that this conflict has caused

him politically quite a bit to and i can't imagine as a mother and a wife, anything more terrifying than thinking that my family could be could scripted into a war. and i cannot vote out the leaders for a different outcome. you cannot vote in a piece leading leader, you can't. and so when they call you up, you've got to goes got to just go to die. and so the idea that zalinski may win or lose based on this war is that you is because he already was losing, which may be why he escalated the conflict by ordering the attacks. and i believe is lionel who just spoke about or was it, i'm sorry, the other guest who spoke about how the united states, they just don't know where it's happening. they don't have any idea. they think the words been and key of all along. they think that everyone throughout all of ukraine has been being bombed. they don't understand where the map of these 3 regions are, how they connect to odessa, crimea they,

because the media will not show the maps. this is one thing that i just, i check it over as a news reporter is that they don't show the map so that you don't see that the line of conflict has not moved fairly a centimeter throughout this short term. and we're only told the counter offensive through through headline you're absolutely right, the anthony. i mean, it's one of the things i think we've all noticed in the last few weeks, you know, and then we had, you know, secretaries they blanket or i should call them books blitzkrieg. now, what is it, you know, ukraine is when in ukraine is winning. and now it's russia is losing russia a lot, they don't, they don't say winning for the ukrainian side anymore. they've shifted that there. and later in the week i'm going to do a program and how it's all the really about china now. they've added that on to the narrative. here we have shifting narratives here, but natalie is, is i right? they never give you any facts that you can, you know, um, grab around. okay. anthony, go ahead. hello is this or inside you say in the population of cost going back to

the casualties. vega, where we're talking about 5 or $600000.00 d credit and casual phase, which is pretty on the sustainable for the better population. but by sol caps i've already quads, but won't say to before, because basically already democracy resorted for the media. they try to play style me well for adults shot chevy who crime so there's like freedom whatsoever. and now they've sold are outside of the trying to, uh, black truck headphones. so uh, there's nothing left support for tolbert. none of these guys in the mainstream media are because it is controlled by those people who want to want to continue on liaison canada. there's about $10000000.00 refugees because a population has gone down from either 40 to about 5 feet

a 1000000 or course the local guys are avoiding signing up for military side is because the brain, david chavez, is of the surviving or press the light box. we have a pretty terrible situation, but if you look at the money registry space and spend, what could be done for the world in terms of growth, hunger wants to supplies you name it way, way where products issac wold or should i say the western government surprise isaac is spending money a lot. well, you know, anthony, it's a, it's a real pity, big mouth we in hawaii. it's real pity molly wasn't in ukraine at the time. okay. they, they probably would be very much better line. oh, i know the administration has already said that they're going to bring it invest $40000000.00 in the pacific initiative. they said that recently, and so there's money there put for the pacific, but that's for military expansion. that's for new embassies in that region. that's

for new military bases, but it's all being presented as this to, for one, under the guise of climate change like they need us there for climate. well, here's the military. i don't. how do i make sense? i think the, the residents on malware, you're not thinking about climate change right now. okay. cuz right, we're all, we're almost done tonight. we're almost out of time line. we'll jump and go ahead to natalie bought at the most important point that i've been saying for decades, we don't understand geography to point. the 9060 to our country almost went to war with russia over missiles, allegedly in cute about 90 miles away. no problem, we understand that if i do have a was her old and then we also have border problems. here we are being invaded by folks from somewhere crossing our border. in one respect, we have of the absolute crystal clarity as to the importance of borders inside warranty. but yet when i moved to another country and another part of the world and i'm safe, what would you think of china or to set up some version of the same data or some

the ccp version of this in t one a. what do you think should be our response? complete 1? 80. so i don't know if it's, if there is nations or the ability to take something from the past and apply it to the future. you've got me. but if you don't know where geography is, if you don't know where these places are, if you don't understand what pro pink, what do you mean? you don't understand anything. okay, natalie, we have party seconds left here. i've. i'm sure you're, you're very assured now and can sleep well at night. and sean penn is going on a television telling the world you don't have to be afraid of nuclear war. okay, finish it off for yeah, not only oh, i have no words for that useful idiot. i don't know. it's well that i well yeah, i would suggest everybody go to jimmy doors, youtube page and it has a they have a discussion about sean penn. and the title is perfect on that video. i just, i just can't say it's here on television. okay. but it, it, right, it is

a really useful lady at the type put it right down with that. um, uh uh, that's all the time we have on it. take my guess in new york where they and, and lisbon. of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here on t r t. so you next time remember prospect the, the christmas time that progress made new law roughly can really separate the guts of energy slipping. knew that in british this problem, definitely because we're directly available for goods. the very long change mostly appreciate which on the should be or the i'm going to show you is a corner or a new phone one, let somebody know who is really irritable. it's a little pissing you wish these of twenties, which one year

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