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is beginning to lose some of his polish engineer. western elite still adore him. after all, zalinski is their creation. however, western publics are showing signs of doubts. who in the west voted for this now forever war? the processing zelinski, i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he's a legal and media analyst and we're then we have anthony webber. he is an independent political commentator. and in lisbon we crossed to natalie morris. she is the host of the redacted podcast, right across black roles in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, i'm going to kick it off with lionel lionel. i said in my introduction, but uh, zalinski is a, an invention, a construct of the west. uh, particularly the united states with the u. k. goes along with it, nato lad. good. so i'll put it together. well, what do you think? how is it? uh, i'm gonna ask you, how would you say that that construct looks what, what,

what makes it tick, lionel, as well as to those who understand it, that's one thing. but i'm sorry to say, i hope i'm not taken out of context. but the majority of people in my country here are completely disconnected as to who he is because we live in a world a fog of make. believe it any way from taylor's web to kim car session. what's another media construct? what is this idea? if you had told me that all you need to do is to create a character with the green t shirt and some veiled reference to fighting someone. and then just this this bravado embryo, and that would be enough. i would say no, no, no, america would need to know specifics and what's the goal? and we would have remembered peter the days of vietnam and, and we're not gonna fight again because of, no, it goes to show you yet again, that anything can be packaged. and if you provide as little as possible, but make sure you utilize also the social media platforms to promote things like

flags and waving and anything that is either anti russian or anti bully and orange . you throw that mixture in and you weren't guaranteed complete and total pavlovian obeisance and that's what we're getting. natalie and lisbon. of course we're all aware of the incident that happened in the canadian parliament, the celebration of ukrainian nazi. and in, in parliament they stood up like seals in clouds. okay. i mean these are supposed to be part of them and terry ins. okay. this is one of the most embarrassing fool pods i've ever seen in my life. though i beginning to be convinced that it was actually intentional because they are trying to rewrite history and they're using this guy in the, in khakis to, to do it. but what were your thoughts on that? because this, this was, i can't believe no one knew what would they were doing. natalie wright, this idea that russia did not fight on the same side, allied forces seems to be completely lost in the context. so if you're talking

about that, this man for the ss, thoughts against russia, you would have to know then that russia and america, and canada, and the west and western europe were all on the same site. so you could replace that and say this man actually fought against canada, this man fight against the united states. would they still stand up or are they even listening? and so it's so confusing to think about. are they ignorant or are they sheep? and i cannot answer for that at this point. i, i just wonder, is it that the west has done such a great job with propaganda? that we have a good guy, a good guy in zalinski. and we were successful at painting him as this sort of that i don't know, you know, useful, right along side car to the trump administration scandal. the zalinski call. so already we thought like, oh, that poor guy, he was just drag through the mind,

right. and then he pops back up again as this here, when it just proves how useful you can be you or how useful it is to have a good guy. and a bad guy. and zalinski right now is being used as the personification of west. well, well, definitely let, let's we, i agree with you, but let's be clear. i mean, he's cutting a nice paycheck for doing it as well. yeah. okay. all right, well i, i'm not talking at all about his intentions. you know, you would think that somebody with maybe a bit more morals would say, are, can be used to drag, animate, innocent men to their death anymore. well, i, well i'm, i don't want, i want, i want to have to, i want to get that the intentionality here, because i think it all has to do with actually money, anthony term. i what, what i think is, is very interesting. is this event in canada, and then zalinski goes around and explains what the western canon is, is if he knows me where i live, you know, i've been in this country russian for 25 years. i remember zelinski his true calling a comedian, playing

a piano without any clothes on. okay. and now he's been reinvented as the new churchill, which is really quite extraordinary. that's why it's all a marketing deal. go ahead anthony. a. what? yeah. so i mean, he's been picks out c hapless or all, but he's being are pretty, you're not set is play. it is called saddam is i create or these being sold to days . um and they said trust again. i was looking i, they are about the door a pipe is risk for out of what availability they are trying to try and see what another cause is. i had to stay under couple of his colleagues for failed as having of sure will. um, found this thing come please uh in 2nd for america, by the use of this. how long um from uh, even live there are very beautiful ladies. craving navigation. there was a misappropriation of money. um he still seems to get away with it because

the media and the people who control the media. i've got a confidence, i think. right. good jane. what are the by want for should lazy when there is tossing his foot by 8. um the, um, already, uh we, we say what happened with the canadian paulman? i used read the industry that basically allows us to see how much they could get. so why do you do it yet, but it has a shirt and that varies somewhat position to this whole. so there's that, oh yeah i, i think i'll also to general public and i've also progressed in countries. the guessing is hardly if i talk with visual, but they got a voice, there's very little media, which gives them a voice, the tools because even the traditional uh, so the impact your take try channels. uh seems to be controlled by cable vested interest as well. but eventually i think the voice is will get house and uh,

already best division in uh, some of the eastern european countries, right. kind of is this, i russell outwards. are you clean? and uh, you can see that. so let me see, go over confident page, but see can go around the wild site. well, they rooms in sole stable. are you guys are using uh, who's on bus? so there was a been installing wimbledon where you couldn't have performed the site, is getting to be on the jake and but then you see the people with the pay my offices. look at people i selected, stay as dispensable. so what was these prices pots? they'll be somebody else. i could try. yeah. all right, let's, let's, let's recall, uh, i mean, how soft, gosh, really, what do you see right now?

he's languishing in prison. okay. i want why go, where's he? oh, he went back to what? his mother's basement. okay. this happens all the time, like, 0, one of the things that's very troubling here is that zalinski signed up to basically cv annihilation of his entire country. i mean, you gotta be paid a lot of money to do that because i, that's the only explanation. i have is the gripped. okay, you keep the grid going as long as you possibly can. then you get a golden parachute lionel. i don't think that narrative is going to ever make it successfully, at least where i am. you don't want to go back to something that was said. this is about images. this is about psychology. this is about this manner. can no question of good versus evil. apple did big left, right. good guy, bad guy. i tell people this and they think i'm kidding. if you have, if, if mrs. lansky wore a suit versus his t shirt, if he, if, if this were played in any other way going back, hearkening back to the romantic days of cash grow. going back to the idea of, of

a country that didn't just murky thing called history. you know, i, i cannot tell you how today i am still bombarded with people on the right, especially right now. who are using words like i'm in his left is marxist comedy as a and confusing that with fascism or what. and there's this, there's this hodge podge, there's kind of a slum, go in all the images. there's also somebody that i tell people right now in our country, there's a big debate about the congress closing down and funding. and what about student loans? and i'm telling you your student loan that is in ukraine. and once i tell people i'm saying, do you understand there's not been one hiccup? not in one second of anything. you don't even know where the money is going. there's no audit. this is your money. well, well, but line like line or there's no audit when you go to natalie real quick here, but you're, i'm glad you brought up the, the government shut down, even if it does shut down, which it will, it's kabuki theater here,

but the payments the ukraine will not be interrupted, natalie. yes, but i want to address what you said about this. so lensky is an actor and zelinski is making money and there is corruption. and those things kind of slipped through the cracks of american media. they sort of are past off as if they're extremist pacifism, right? what i think people don't understand. and really, i think, you know, for me, that looks beyond the media narratives. but what are the facts is that the lensky allowed the people of the don boss to be attacked for 10 years? he ordered extra attacks on the don boss in 20212022 was preparing to attack crimea. and that the people there asked for russian protection and voted to become a part of russia. those things are undeniable. they are not being presented to the west. and the rest of it is being packaged as extremist or passive ist propaganda. and that's the thing that makes me so crazy is that there are facts there. so when

you put zalinski on your social media or a ukrainian flag as your profile, what your saying is that i don't know, i don't care or i don't understand that this government has been firing and attacking civilians and then escalated a war in order to get nato's attention and it worked as proof positive of your social media profile. yes, yes. and it is a tacit acceptance of it forevermore that none of us ever voted for. alright, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short, bracewell continue word, assess discussion on zelinski state with the two's 2060 numerous monuments. the survey of soldiers in poland, ukraine, and the baltic states have been destroyed or vandalized fish there. so, but it must be the most certainly within you must or even some others could i ask if i really think so that's as much to i'm a digit specially almost as being the police government denies the rules. so it'd

be assumed just in the victory of a non system, and is it raising historical memories of world war 2? it is the 40 because when you order, although it did seem the non c regimes, the trustees would remain things in people's consciousness but have a but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost. yes, yeah, i think of the i'll provides for the stadium upstairs and i need the seats in the car to talk. so i need to be at the boss. do i just need to get them with key at the washington state. the rules

of guys has to phone up, send 2 professional men city and to keep the list of all but huge, but they use the level the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered. computer la belcher menu were discussing zalinski the okay, it's go back to anthony here. um bill bill crystal the arch neil con. you don't have to say g o p or democrat. he's just a neo con. he'll go with uh, you know, he'll go with it. whatever pain master here,

the g o p is in the name of the g o. p, bill crystal is going to be promoting a, a commercial, a goes along the lines when american arms. when america arms ukraine, we get a lot for a little. essentially war is good. this is a campaign to kick in the forever war. i don't know how many of my guess or audience saw josh holly after a briefing, and he says the quiet part out loud. this plan is to keep the world going on forever. anthony, go ahead. a. well, it is terrible. who would have to say it sold the very suspect? so i'm our america's getting bobby for money, because that goes a lot of destruction of russia. russian forces without spending the lives of americans service people across the street. and i pass those inside of a trade because a number of americans service people have to. all right, but it's, uh, it's

a little bit and catch on the, on the right. but it's, it's not cable was the policy and i strongly strong when drivers support. but that's how the guys free this idea. so in my i've gotten a some, but then there's a source i the, there's not a mandate for a for apple and all of her time. cheese and rolls are at miss are told craig chairs supply and all was and that's talks with um, the us with movie 42nd 1000000000 site. you saw my company. do you guys 7300000000 dos and lots of all the money, but it's just different. so you uh they the kinds thoughts on that is not in mine, right. well, so after the 7 days and uh they have to go to a site for the referendum in crime. at the top i see 3 pos,

all of a sudden your crime is probably to say become positive. russia party site, but not recognizable. i see that they won't even give elections in the ukraine, but price by the name i'm i was i'm glad you brought that up because i think that the they both and the don bass in crime. it were more valid. the referendum were more valid than the 2020 election, but now i'm getting ahead of it myself. okay, that's a different topic. litle it's, it's very into. i'm glad that anthony brought it up because there is will, because of zalinski says there is martial law in ukraine. they can't have elections . well, i mean, the united states had elections in afghanistan and iraq during a, a war. uh so, and united states had an election in at $1864.00 during the war. but so let's get you turned around say, well, if you give me 5000000000 by 1000000000 dollars, maybe we'll think about it here. i mean, the graft is just outrages,

lionel. i'd be thinking what we are saying right now if i could take and i'm sorry to keep saying this, but this, the average american and even even those people who fancy themselves as being politically and new as a student, let's say the fox news contingent or anybody and if i gave them a device and every time anything that we mention, a name, a city, a done by us, there's a lift gate. if ever any of this sound remotely familiar, all they had to do was just push a button. you would see this flat line. what we are doing is this is international, political theater discussion. this has no basis. this would not even be recognizable in most areas on most ations at most platforms here where i am. that's the problem. this is fantastic. i thoroughly enjoy mentioning and talking about this, but this has no audience here and, and i'm trying to figure out why is it, is it because of the complexity you know, is it because of the, the subject matter?

is it foreign? he did, is it history? is it the school system? i don't know what it is. this, this insatiable in curiosity, this level of detachment, this idea that give me a punch drunk something i to look at almost like a name brand, good or evil. got it. i'm over here now. you know how much time we're talking in this country about hunter biden. do, do you know this, this is the, this is the most of you want to think about this laptop or whatever it is. i cannot be leave this, this is wall to wall and i'm thinking it's a distraction. well the light oh light. oh, it's really quite hilarious. actually. i hillary clinton so you know, we are, it was elizabeth warren, all roads lead to russia. actually. they hauled into pretty, we'd see a good part of russia gate was invented in ukraine. ok. i mean that, that. ok here, natalie, what's,

what's really interesting is it'd be st. zalinski likes to go around the world stage. and so i'm kind of celebrity. but his poll numbers are really bad in ukraine because of corruption because corruption is, i mean, it was always there, but it's really ramp and right now, i mean, and, and then his wife, i don't know, you know, it was all about that he might not run or i don't think there will be an election because i think he wants to stay president perpetuity, go ahead. natalie. yes, but the polls for zalinski were really low, even before the conflict. so this is not new. we know that this conflict has caused him politically quite a bit to and i can't imagine as a mother and a wife, anything more terrifying than thinking that my family could be could scripted into a war. and i cannot vote out the leaders for a different outcome. you cannot vote in a piece leading leader, you can't. and so when they call you up, you've got to goes got to just go to die. and so the idea that zalinski may win or lose based on this war is sacha, is because he already was losing,

which may be why he escalated the conflict by ordering the attacks. and i believe is lionel who just spoke about or was it, i'm sorry, the other guest who spoke about how the united states, they just don't know where it's happening. they don't have any idea. they think the words been and key of all along. they think that everyone throughout all of ukraine has been being bombed. they don't understand where the map of these 3 regions are, how they connect to odessa, euchre, uh, crimea. they because the media will not show the maps. this is one thing that i just, i check it over as a news reporter is that they don't show the maps so that you don't see that the line of conflict has not moved fairly a centimeter throughout this chapter. and we're only told the counter offensive through through headline you're absolutely right, the anthony. i mean it's one of the things i think we've all noticed in the last few weeks seen it. and then we had, you know, secretaries they blanket or i should call them books blitzkrieg. now, what is that,

you know, ukraine is when in ukraine is winning. and now it's russia. it is losing russia a lot. they don't, they don't say winning for the ukrainian side anymore. they've shifted that there. and later in the week i'm going to do a program and how it's all the really about china now. they've added that on to the narrative. here we have shifting narratives here, but natalie is, is i right? they never give you any facts that you can, you know, um, grab around. okay. anthony, go ahead as well as this, or entice the population of cost going back to the casualties. big guy where we're talking about 5 or $600000.00 d credit and casual phase, which is pretty on the sustainable for the better population. but by sol caps, i've already quads, but won't say to before, because basically already democracy presided for the media. they try to play style manual for adults track chevy, who crime so there's like freedom whatsoever. and now they've sold are outside of

the trying to, uh, black truck headphones. so uh, there's a lot thing left support for told, but none of this guys in the main stream media because it is controlled by di staples who want to want to continue on liaison canada. there's about 10000000 refugees because a population has gone down from either 14 to about. i see a 1000000 or course the local guys are avoiding signing up for the entry side is because again david charles's of the surviving or press the light box, we have a pretty terrible situation. but if you look at the money registry space spent, what could be done for the world in terms of world hunger want to supplies you name it way we're products for issac wold or should i say the western government,

surprise eyes or you're spending money a lot well, you know, anthony, it's a, it's a real pity, big mouth we in hawaii. it's real pity molly wasn't in ukraine at the time. okay. they probably would be bearing much better line. oh, i know the administration has already said that they're going to bring invest $40000000.00 in the pacific initiative. they said that recently. and so there's money there put for the pacific, but that's for military expansion. that's for new embassies in that region. that's for new military bases, but it's all being presented as this to, for one, under the guise of climate change like they need us there for climate. well, here's the military. i don't. how do i make sense? i think the, the residents on malware, you're not thinking about climate change right now. okay. right. we're all, we're all, most of the names. we're almost out of time line. we'll jump and go ahead. to natalie bought at the most important point that i've been saying for decades, we don't understand geography. 2 points. and 1962, our country almost went to war with russia over missiles,

allegedly in cute about 90 miles away. no problem. we understand that if i do have a was her old and then we also have border problems. here. we are being invaded by folks from somewhere crossing our border. in one respect, we have of the absolute crystal clarity as to the importance of borders inside warranty. but yet when i moved to another country and another part of the world and i'm safe, what would you think of china or to set up some version of the same data or some the ccp version of this in t one a. what do you think should be our response? complete 1? 80. so i don't know if it's, if there is nations or the ability to take something from the past and apply to the future. you've got me. but if you don't know where geography is, if you don't know where these places are, if you don't understand what per pink, what do you mean? you don't understand anything. okay, natalie, we have party seconds left here. i've. i'm sure you're, you're very assured now and can sleep well at night that sean penn is going on

a television telling the world you don't have to be afraid of new killer war. okay . finish it off for yeah, not only oh, i have no words for that. useful idiot. i don't know. it's well that i will. uh, yeah, i would suggest everybody go to uh, jimmy doors uh youtube page. and it has, they have a discussion about sean penn. and the title is perfect on that video. i just, i just can't say it's here on television. okay. but it, it, right. it is a very useful lady at the type. put it right down with that. um, uh uh, that's all the time we have on it. take my guess the new york word thing and, and lose when of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here on t r t c. and next time remember prospect the

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