to raise the corporation has deprived children of treatment and their most basic wise to hospitalization. and visit the growth there. all right, let's look at the news for now, but to stay with us of next on the whistle, blowers swift whistleblower with off our who exposed financial crimes on employee of julia and the

what kind of person blows the whistle on bank fraud and tax evasion is fired, hounded, and prosecuted, and then double is down and does it again, what kind of person takes on one of the biggest, oldest and most important things in europe, takes its best shot. and then the best shot of this with government and does it again a whistle blower. that's who i am. john, carry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 to our next guest is an activist, a whistle blower and a former swish, private banker. rudolph elmer, worked as a banker for swift banking powerhouse. julius bare, eventually heading the banks caribbean operations in the cayman islands from 1994

to 2002 in late 2001. julie as bears internal security discovered that some internal data had been downloaded, and it required that every employee submit to a polygraph exam. these internal documents were proof that the bank was involved in fraud and international tax evasion. when initially approach rudolph didn't take the polygraph exam for health reasons, but he took it later and he failed. the bank had a policy at the time that any employee who failed the test would be fired and his employment was terminated. but he still had custody of the documents on the thumb drive in 2005 rou. i've sold a switch business newspaper, a cd with 160 megabytes of data on it, but was almost immediately arrested in zurich on suspicion of violating bank secrecy laws. he sat in custody for 30 days and started a website for whistle blowers as soon as he was released in 2008. the german magazine der spiegel,

revealed that rudolph was the source of documents that had recently appeared on the weekend leaks website. these documents revealed that julius bear had held their customers funds by funneling them through offshore accounts, to increase profits, and to avoid swiss taxes. julie as bare, denied the allegations, but rudolf responded by personally handing over to juliet assigned additional information on to 1000 account holders. that came from 3 banks, including julius bare in in january 2011. rudolf went on trial for violating bank secrecy laws, coersion and attempted blackmail. he was convicted and sentenced to 2 years probation and a fine of 5600 year owes what authorities didn't know was that rudolph just 2 days earlier, had provided which he leeks with yet more information. so on the day of his conviction, he was arrested again and charged again with violating bank secrecy laws. a 2nd

trial was held in november 2011. but the price of fusion was not able to prove that rudolph had actually violated any laws in the and even this with in german media agreed that this was a complex case. and rudolf elmer is a complex person. one newspaper said, quote rudolph elmer is the model case of a whistleblower, he's no angel, but almost all whistle blowers are complex cases and quote. we're glad to have rudolph elmer joining us today. rudolf, welcome to the show. thank you, john for inviting me and given me the opportunity to talk about switzerland and it's jody called system and the banking dog. we're happy to have you and i'm interested to know how this whole thing got started. you had a job that would be the envy of most people. you represented a major bank in the paradise that is the cayman islands. but you saw something that shook you into action. tell us about that. ah,

i love of my child is concerned about the kind of a striking all trade. so i was chief operating officer accountant, compliance officer, i guarantee and secure display to an investment manager or hedge funds, private equity funds, and top of it on expertise the, you know, i t, in the cayman islands, you know, i had several old shops to the lewis it's not just on the bottom, the 1st one is uh, the charge that dive us by you based on the criminal light deck that's locked right off the bank, asked the request that's all stuff past due before the party got the test and make this a completion at the before can 40 golf test to continue to act for the bank. what right do they have to put up human beings to machine and use the machine to destroy somebody professional life. if the bank parties prosecute even the b i

or the c i o even there's a serious trimming of the next joke off line about revealing the backup types of the bank. i learned that the trust company department, not the company, tax department, serves a mexican police officer and dropped the lot on the matter being, lobby, construction, eats, and many other treatment notes. there was plenty of froth and even suspect the thorough financing, but there was no doubt the bank advised the clients how to commit crimes and was using it's judy as bad groups accused portfolio housing became and still have a tax it on top of a k y c boss, clearly no issue or think, but also were written by the president of this bad group. i know tighten yes. play . that's a loss called k u. i see in those states the 3rd chalk,

i have it all to relate it to 911, which happens falls months before the light. it takes the test and i often travels with us to conferences or to new york se, until all in the bank i q. it's me in the california court of making rights, in the sense of 911, been to quote those, the 3 key legs and the 1st amendment of the united states, free speech and pre pressed the purpose was to destroy my credibility, or even estimate me with the help of the united states. i felt so no rather, and later i end up in contacting them of a fortunately, us senator call laving. and the chief investigator of the us senate was texted to me and understood both what's really going off for struck in

2000, i could even prove an attend customer to me in the cayman islands. luckily i survived. i had threats from the bank sought to buy the go for a deep dive, it's by the, for your family, corporate, etc. so these are the things which shocked me really. i have to admit that i was surprised by the quickness with which the bank realized that somebody had access documents. how did that happen, and how was the bank able to identify you so quickly? when i returned to switzerland, i informed now easily the space tax authorities and prosecution, and late there is with media about what is going on in the cayman islands. the small size, terrible mistake i made because i believe they what protect me. and

most importantly, my family there is today, no doubt that the authorities informed the bank and this lease use paper was sent that they thought, you know, order to have it published. the publishing never happened in switzerland by the way . so the new state of the state, the provide, it's the state, the officially to the bank and report it about my purse. i am a mentally sick person, a criminal. i'm out on the for revenge. that doctor. uh, but nothing about the criminal clients and the dubious business which was clearly explained on the data. in other words, i have the adopt a hornet's nest of sorts. tax authorities, parties prosecute this got just. and so he's trying to listen to all put back to

the goals and the cost of sweets, bank secrecy, i expose the tools, the true face of switzerland. i think a frenzy george wrote to me about in prison. and he wrote, you are big expressed to display assistance, then the red army, the ira, et cetera, to the world. because you use inflammation at know why then that is locked, the bank offered me a lot of money money. the bank of the a lot of money on and off me to close all criminal cases against me. if i keep side correct, the bank had the power to close all the legal cases. guns well, does he tell you? and i have another person who accepts cash money. i rather pay to go to

pricing. you appear to have made a decision very early on that you were going to tell the truth about what was happening at julia spare consequences, be damned. and certainly things devolved quickly for you. tell us about your personal situation at the time. were you married? did you have children? did you have to go through this experience alone? how did you handle the pressure of the bank, essentially falling on your head? and this was authorities seeking to have you locked up in a jail. now about making a decision, how making my decision, i could not even make thought to decisions. i was forced to go public. i needed the protection of the public because the bank and they'll, they'll start the used cream and sell methods to hire us to stalls and to try me and my family. my family received that price. even my 6 year old daughter,

the bank exposed expense, approximately, which i learned from the lawyer off the truly is bang. about $1500000.00 us dollars. using private detectives to perform psychological peril for several months. for instance, my daughter did not want to go to the school any more because eating habits, liked men approach tear and offered chocolate. they bought the car, chase, my vice and find out what's followed on the highway, into our a private detective stove at 10 pm in our that and throat and make noise. our neighbors, we're a freight, but the police and prosecution look the all the way they stated to the neighbors safely. us. uh, a person yourself, sir, and everything is fine. to go through the experience alone. i was

entirely on my own with my ex. and if you 2 exceptions, and these are the real heroes of the story, it's my wife and my daughter who kept me for not going mad. because i bought the all the right, the suffering from a severe post traumatic stress is or to confound by leading medical experts. on the other hand, the big thing support of switzerland or human rights watch or the n g o. well known, 40 stations playing thing style a loss and still it is at all. and it's ness. if you blow the whistle in switzerland to date, i handled the pressure of the way i handled the pressure this way. are several factors. i'm a real religious person. i had a brilliant psychologist who coached me an exceptional t. peyton, lawyer,

lady lawyer who fight it in the courtroom like a lion for it's off spring and great support. when i was 3 months in a christian mental thought there, i learned to think like the trim and ear of the to bone high for all. will 5 denazi's to think like gum the and martin luther king and all this open to my eyes . message use against me were the same as the not to many against to is people except they could not kill me. i lost all the right the a valid on public because it became crystal clear that and i and my family. the talk at the ad space showed the co author at this and the government without going outside the law, abusing that petition nor to talk is innocent people. i understood the mode of

support on the used what they kate's in switzerland fight proof. that was and in the recent case it like bradley b. i confess you be asked how different johnny relate to hsbc, geneva drab, a kitchen. uh you asked me month talk, jeremy. i missed a and many others. the all po 3 is loss that i was trying to teach and put back to society about things which should never become public unit democratic state. the democrats democratic states, known as a role models with democrats. my you, it's not a role model because it's run by any of the, the banks this, this is just, this fact hurts me to my heart as a form, a tap off the space me about it is the truth. thank you. rudolph elmer, stay right there. we're speaking with swiss banking with the blower,

rudolph elmer about his revelations of swift bank, julius bears involvement in fraud and tax evasion. when we come back after the short break, we'll get into some of the specifics of his whistle blowing. stay with us. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the, [000:00:00;00] the 1834 prance invaded algeria and straight away the french started inhabiting it to strengthen their position. the column is known as the new wires to the best land.

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i need to see because to talk. so i need to be introduced to believe welcome back to the list of worst i'm john kerry, onto we're speaking with rudolf elmer. he's a whistle blower who revealed to the world's with banking giant. julius bear was involved in fraud and tax evasion through its offices in the cayman islands. good to have you with this rudolf, that thank you for being here again and speaking about the the financial industry of switzerland or in switzerland. in general. rudolf tell us a little about the nature of your whistle blowing. you did it over the course of several rounds, so to speak. what was the initial information and what did you do with it? uh, the initial information uh uh was about to a trudy, a spare handle of the trust uh at the business end,

the trust the parkman, the indicating an island and that's the, the, the they, when i learned how things work and i thought the, the, the details in the, in the truck department on backup. they bought uh the backup tapes off to the i left lock in the sense that uh, i had the secretary at home because the bank requested me to uh, take everything back up paypal or to, to uh, uh, to use it in case if that is a fire in the bank. so i started the that date the fuck initially, i also can say that i challenged management quite often in the, in the bank. and even in c, r a gun,

the i really felt there's something going on which i called success. but they didn't really take notice then i requested a little ation of my professional performance on that, which was pretty and actually except on science. and they said the, i'm a critical thing to the person. so that's basically a boss, is dottie fine, or concurrently with your 1st trial, you sent additional information to wiki leeks. or did you one version that i saw was that you turned over to wiki leaves a disk that was blank? can you walk us through that? was there a 2nd revolution, the wiki leaks, and if so, what does that include? now, you're talking about the funding over of 2 tvs in the prompt line cloth of london. then judy has told you what to do. the sauce was there.

so those 2 c b's had no data on it. that was on the a film about the recent blowers. i'm not that stupid to handle what they the publicly and rolled price. is that because i had to assume that the english for the east was and to the to show when say look, if i see the uh so the idea of that time, the overall off to make public aware of the legal trial in switzerland 2 days later that was one purpose of the 2nd purpose was and the date of loss of the act. evans live also is on the date of julius barrack lots . also they go for the banks, then so on. uh my uh, legal support of the us stopped the handing over the of the dial, the wheel cds. uh,

in order to make sure because they knew that uh what's going on in switzerland that i went already to present them, but they didn't go onto to get them more a be done to go often. so actually about to protect the measured by on the one end . on the other hand, it was a we in the a marketing event to show a, to make, to put the spotlight on the trial in switzerland because the 4th bouts was bank secrecy. and the roll press actually turned off in theory, explained to us what happened in court in your 2nd trial. the prosecution essentially just fell apart. what happened there? what really happened is is the fact that my employment contract, which was confiscated by uh persecution office and

kept it in uh for 7 or 8 years because this contract really shows that i've also employed into cayman islands. and that you, that it's not possible to apply space bank secrecy in the cayman islands to an employee who is employed in became in that, uh, employment uh, contract actually uh, by accidental to send it over to me as by the police officer. if i had to go with some data and find us, which they had called these guys and we actually, my lawyer told them that employment contract uh to legal uh, experts the of the in switzerland, one of them both even a uh, federal law,

chopped in employment law and they wrote the 2nd opinion uh, which actually mark pete provide some of people who is known in switzerland as one of the most well known experts in money laundering. rose that the you called supply at the the swiss bank secrecy. and the caymans, that's not possible. so uh, even so. uh they uh, they uh, found me guilty. uh, again, again, uh, being 2014 bought in 2016 at the higher court of sierra which is the 2nd level they, they had to this come uh, to uh, change the word to the main and they really on. so what's going on, and therefore the doctors of the lawyer court,

they actually to be they slay part of the dirty game. thank you rudolph elmer, for joining us and for sharing your harrowing story of whistle blowing. and we'll leave it there and beg you to our viewers for joining us. whistle blowing is tough . it's very tough. in many cases, it takes over our lives and changes their very course. but as the great industrialist henry ford said, quote, obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your gold plan for. that's why in the end whistle, blowers are so often successful, even when the cost is very high. the goal is bigger than we are. the goal is the public good. that's why we do it. thanks for joining us for another episode of who was of lowers. i'm john kerry, yahoo! we'll see you next time the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2

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