with 92 percent were the one with 91 percent. if you chose the one with 91 percent who's the minority? ding, ding, ding you yes. correctly. because that is how college students have been chosen in the united states beginning in the 19 sixty's. that's when the administrations are present academy in front of the job. the president johnson pushed for civil rights laws that brought about affirmative action which see over the past several decades, there had been many who have criticized that strategy. arguing that giving an advantage to minorities is no longer necessary and they go on to say that affirmative action actually punishes those who are not minorities for nothing other than simply not being minorities. they say, if you had the best grades, you should have the best chances of getting in no matter what your race or you're in the city is. it's not fair. so students including marco, the phone is, this is the 1st one to complain. this is the guy who filed the very 1st complaint

about this. this goes back to 1971. it kills the university of washington of denying him a chance to get into a law school simply because he wasn't black. he said, now, after nearly a half century, the us supreme court has just cited with him. they have cited with the furnace and all the other students who made the same or given over the last years. the court ruled that if you are applying for college, your race should not be use to get you in or keep you out period. but they seem to me saying, is that the only thing that should really matter is whether you're capable, whether you're intelligent, what are your grades? in other words, there should be no favorites as a for race or anything else. when i'm meeting students. what have they though? with that decision, really eliminated favoritism, if that's what they were trying to do, to think about it. i have,

and the answer is no. they have not. they have not. because now many are pointing out that there's a different type of favorite does, a, wouldn't you know, a favorite tourism not for the poor, for the rich. and especially for the super rich. it's called legacy admissions. and it basically works like this. and your parents went to a school, give money to a school, or call up to school and offer a nice donation. and then mentioned that your name happens to be among those that's applying to go to this school. you are going to get moved up even though we're students that have better grades than you because your parents did that, that my friends is also favorites as a, not for the poor or for some black kid from the inner city. his gaze for the ranch

and it's reality. look at this study, it was published by up the opportunity insights group. it finds that an applicant who comes from a family that represents one percent of income in the united states is 34 percent more likely to get into college compared to applicants with the same score. d here . who don't have wealthy parents. and if you come from a family of multi millionaire parents, you're twice as likely to get it. and joining us now to talk about this is uh mike long. mike is podcast or he has a very popular podcast. it's called can we please talk? and he also, by the way, appears on uh, cable television. uh, corporate tv is some people would call it and we're happy to have him. hi mike, how are you, rick? good to see you. as always, my friend, that's right, cable television, i need the exposure, right? i got, i got people, i got a message out here that i want people to, to listen to a, i should have mentioned, i should have made it. can we please listen? but that doesn't make any money. so can we please listen if you're appearing on m

as nbc and cnn, and some of those other places, trust me. nobody's listening anyway, but at least that's the trend of late. let me ask you this question because this is a very interesting thing. was there pretty important when, what, what is your take on this, that this recent supreme court decision where they essentially said look to help with a form of action. we don't need it anymore. what do you make of that? you know, we covered it on the show, as you know, my co host has worked in education for forever. i have such a mix feelings because on the one hand, i agree with the supreme court overarching decision. i agree that we should be basing this on your grades, right? we should be looking at the application and not the name on the application. we should be looking at the resume and the parts of it. unfortunately, that's an idealistic world, right? in a real world, we don't live in that real world. i'm a byproduct of affirmative action. rick. okay. i grew up in the bronx, new york and moved to harrison. new york, the bronx, new york, the school did. i went to 90 percent blacks and latinos. i moved to a white neighborhood, 90 percent white people. i got my application further advanced because of the

advantages of moving to a district 45 minutes to an hour north. right. and that gets me noticed into a college that is pretty racially diverse. but i apply to one of the colleges that has a higher acceptance of blacks and latinos so i can't be hypocritical, the system that i use to my advantage of the other. let me ask you, but hold on, i'm going to push back on you here. did you have a great day? bye bye. you wouldn't even though you were an idiot or did they let you in? because you, you weren't qualified. yeah. you know, you had the merits. i i okay, so i had the grades high school grades, but sometimes the, a, c, t's scores were not up to snuff. so yeah, if you pair me with somebody who's a white student that's got maybe better, s a t scores and similar grades do, i even get noticed and that was the point of affirmative action. it was to get notice. it was so that your resume would be like, hey, these are other people that are just as qualified as these white candidates don't overlook these candidates. it started like that. maybe it didn't more into that.

well that probably that's what, here's the here's where i think you're right and you're wrong. i think it 1960 and 19 fifties america. african americans really were put all right. it was difficult for them to be able to succeed. since that time, somewhat 4050 years have passed and i know anglo americans who are much poor and have worse conditions than african americans who are growing up a bama like in good environments with wealthy parents who have good positions. and why should that guy, or that gal who's actually their middle class or well to do what happens to be african american, get an advantage over somebody else who's middle class or well do, why? i'm not disagreeing with you on that. i, i have no report to that specific example. unfortunately,

wreck that is the minority because again, based on population, whites are still 62 percent of the population, right. african americans make up like 13 percent of the population here in the us. the point of affirmative action was, and if you ended now, which the supreme court has, in essence done in terms of colleges and universities, factory embrace, right, right. yeah, you promote an idea that we're all equal and we should have equal access to jobs and educational opportunities. the problem is, research studies have shown names that sound like sanchez, the own, which is my actual last name that my father changed to get a job to come when he came to this country. we're not getting callbacks because they weren't getting that same access. and some of those same things still happened to that guy. of course, that's an i agree with you and, and i would also agree with you that there's a disparity still among african americans. and yet there isn't the same disparity in education with latinos, and asians in the united states will seem to have less of a problem get,

getting into the schools on merit. then african americans do n. i mean that's just a hardboiled truth and it's, it's, it's difficult to deal with how come we're having success. i'm talking you and i is left, the nose in america were minorities to and asians are not only having success, they're blowing everybody else away. they're actually having to come up with rules and some schools were say, we can't take anymore agents, there's too many of them. so what, what look, i can't, i can't what you use, right? is your barriers, what i'm saying? no, and i agree with that, and i think again, the big contention point for people that are on this progressive mindset or at least appear to be on the left side of this equation, which by the way should be a right wrong thing. not a left, right? thing, of course, most of them will argue that this is going to be advantageous now for white and asian americans because they tend to have the better grades. but when you look at access to education, just use me as the example. rick, for example, right?

again, grew up in the bronx school district in the bottom 1015000. you know, uh the average median income, $41000.00 a year of people that live in that area. you got food and high trans factor in that area. i'm just, i'm gonna stop you, i'm gonna stop you. i'm gonna stop you because this, this is where you wouldn't die. i think we'll find a meeting place. okay. it's not about whether you are cuban or puerto rican or under written, or green, or purple, or black, or asian, or anything. it's about income. i've always argued gimme a poor kid. gimme a rich kid. the risk is going to have an easier time getting into school. you said a c. s a t's i could afford one s a t and then i ran out of money. my kids because i happened to be getting a little richer than my parents were. they failed to do it again, fail to do it again until eventually they got the right grade right. work and can't afford to take it 5 times. so right, it's not about the color of your skin. it's about your bank account, by golly,

well i, i agree with that. but again, the majority of people that don't have the money look like you sound like you and happen to darker than you are not. that's the point. and by the way, going back to your s a t point, just look at what happened in 2021 with felicity huffman and lloyd lawson, and the 2 actresses here into us that we're paying thousands of dollars to programs that can help boost their kids as as a t scores, they're taking fig photographs for their daughters to try to get admitted as rowing students that you see us see. i mean, these are the extravagant links that folks are going through that are happen to be white that have the advantage because like you said, they have the bank account that they can put their kids in a position to get into the school. and that was the whole point of affirmative action now when it comes to school, cuz remember, it's not a law about schools, it was more about employment, but us in terms of schools. now schools have to decide, do i take poor mike leon, or do i take felicity hoffman's daughter,

even though they had the same equal grades. and you know, said well, and we're going to move into the whole donor class and everything and just a minute. but before we leave this conversation, i think, i think we've found some general agreement that if we focus on the income and we say as a school, we should try and make sure 20 percent of our student population comes from an economically an economic place. where the parents are only able to make $50000.00 a year and, and we're going to help those guys because of the income because they didn't have the advantages of the other students have. i'm ok with that. where, where it's like, where it gets just fuzzy is when you start saying how black are you, where, how yellow are you or how brown are you or how white are you? and yeah, the whole color thing. my just i think we just need to get away from it. no, i look rick, i agree with you on that. i wish we could get away from it. i wish that you and i

were just judge as, as, as rick sanchez and that we got those sanchez or something like that, that white people look at us in those spaces. the one thing i did wanna mention about that we had representative jamal bowman who's a representative of the state of new york. you know, us, the house of representatives and former educator, former middle school principal in a pretty poor district, as in my own district, back in the bronx. and he's talked about things like this. like if we're really gonna solve the problem, ok, just keep yelling, racism, racism, racism. when are we going to actually attack the problem? which is at a fundamental level that the school districts in that area are impoverished, that we don't have financial literacy setup for people in the schools that's passed down so they can learn how to save money out of how to balance a checkbook. things like that, and he's been champing that in, in congress, and here's somebody, you know, i came on my show and i'm holding fee to fire saying like, what do we do about some of these things because we keep talking about the problem and not solving the problem, so when we come back, we have spoken about this,

suppose a disparity where some people were getting into universities without having the merit to be in the university. and now the supreme court apparently has made some changes. well, have we really fix the problem or are there still people getting into universities who don't deserve to be in the universities because they don't have the grades to be there and yet somehow they're getting it. and who are those people? and that's what we're going to be talking about. in fact, i want to mention one specific person who got away with that. when we come back, stay with us, mike, you stay right there. and by the way, i'd like to continue the conversation with you. what do you think of this? i'd like to know what you think. reach out to me on twitter. i want to share my thoughts with you as you share your thoughts with me. reach me at rick sanchez, tv. that's rick sanchez, tv on twitter, or x, or whatever the hell you want to call it. i'll be looking for you. okay. when do we come back? well, many african americans are having a tough time achieving the necessary requirements to getting the major universities,

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the, the history of political leaders in the u. s. is replaced with examples of senators and presidents who grey wise did not deserve once they were given. welcome back, i'm or to address. let me continue this by sharing with you that there may be no better example of what i just mentioned. then george w bush. the 43rd president of the united states didn't even come close to the score needed to get into harvard and yale, harvard and yale. we're not talking about community college here, that there was a student who reportedly couldn't muster, not only 90 percent or 80 percent,

he was 70 percentile. that means he was a c student. he had a c average, and yet he was able to get into arguably the best universities in the world. and with young george bush is score. what have all been possible for any other ordinary student to take his score and try and get into harvard or be admitted there. but president bush, as we later called him, got in for one reason. and for one reason only the influence and the money of his grandfather, prescott bush, and the bush family legacy. interestingly enough, hispanic students no longer need to be given a head start to get into college. at least not if you look at some of the recent numbers and the enrollment numbers, how they're changing according to a study pleated by the peer group. hispanic students in the united states are having more success than ever as applicants to universities. they're not as successful as asian americans by the way, but much higher, for example,

than african americans in fact, but they knows have doubled their enrollment over the past 2 decades in america. and we're back now with uh, mike leon. he is a uh podcast or his podcast is called can we please talk? and he talks about these types of issues and we've been talking a lot about the change so that people are accepted into a university based on race and that we should really do everything possible that make it a meritocracy, right? you should be getting a job or getting into a university or getting anything in life based on how good you are, what your merit is. however, there's a problem, isn't it? i just told you about it. with george bush, george bush barely had a c average. he barely had a c average and he became the president of the united states because he was able to

show that he had gotten into the harvard business. cool. i had to be smart, right? maybe not. and i guess, mike, am i wrong? did he, he got into yale, right? he got into yale for undergrad, harvard business school, s a t. i think he had like an 1180 or something like that. again, a decent score and stuff like that. but again, not the grades were not up to snuff that would be comparable with somebody who is in that similar situation that may be looked and sounded like. you've seen the word corrected it. if you would, i would have had this car and would've added the average. and i would have taken a rick sanchez or i'm likely on you know, i was thinking about this rick, when you invited me on the program. i think about right now, i'm going through this. i have 2 daughters, right. and eventually one day i'm going to want them to get into college. i don't agent, my alma mater, which is rucker's university. my would love for the school to look at their grades 1st foremost and only right. look at their grades, look at their application. however, there is, of course, there's

a part of me that says this is momma mater. i would love for my girls to go to the college and have the same experience that i have and again, money is that the root of all of this i'm donating to make the athletic program better. so i can have a sense of pride around my university so, so there are 2 students, and one of them is your daughter. and the other one is somebody else's daughter and they're equal and they get to give your daughter an advantage because her dad has been good enough to be an alumni and has given support to the school. i'm fine with that, but i don't want them to take your daughter and put them above somebody who has much better clara qualifications than her, simply because mike happens to have a bunch in his pocket and gabriel diversity. all right, and i agree wholeheartedly with all of that. you know, there's a saying that a friend of mine that's a recruiter, you know, out there would always say to me when we were looking at applicants. right. it was skill set, culture fit. can the person actually do the job and then can they fit in working

here? take the rest of them out of the equation in terms of what they look like. sound like their name, etc. their background work fit right? culture fit, can they know the job, and can they fit in here? and that's what i hope people take away from this. especially in the us side of this as they're looking at applications for folks to look and sound like you. we don't want to be a head of somebody else because then we're going to know that those advantages were given to us. i agree with you. i think the majority of people in paulding has shown will appear if you on that sentiment. but if we're going to make the fix so that some poor black kid can no longer get into college and get ahead of some, you know, medium income at white anglo saxon kid, simply because he happens to be african american, which i think we're starting to have some kind of agreement that, okay, maybe we shouldn't include racing this decision. uh, maybe then we should also fix the other side and stop letting the george bush is of the world. and there are many of them get into big universities simply because

their daddy happens to be famous or rich or influential. this guy use that to become the present united states and then involved us in one of the most catastrophic wars in the history of our country. and i can't help but think if a guy wasn't competent enough to get into college, but use that to become president and then became a really crappy president. and i feel bad saying that because his brother job happens to be a friend of mine. and i think you and i both know the bushes because they've done a lot of stuff here in south florida. i'm sorry, but the truth is the truth. we need to put our best in our brightest in these positions. not some guy who got there because his daddy was famous or rich to, you know, rick, as you were saying, all that i'm thinking about some of these incredible donors to universities and the advantages their families have gotten. think of t boned pickens, an oil tie cooling at oklahoma state university, was donated over a $175000000.00 to the university. you think if you see pickens on the last name

and you work in the admissions office at oklahoma state university, you're not fast tracking that application and that right there, my friends is the point of affirmative action. it's not so that pickens is fast track because of the amount of money grandpa gave to the school or left to the school it so that again, not taking outside that. he donated the money. we appreciate that. we thank him for that. he gets the tax contribution, he gets the tax write off from that. but also like that application should be weighted based on what is written in that paper. grades s a t scores, etc, versus somebody else. we don't live in that real world, rick. we do not live in that real world. you and i have both of us worked in the admissions office at oakland state university in an application comes in and says pickens on there or bush, in this case for yellow, harvard. unfortunately, we're going to move that paper into the except to call them a lot faster. you know that and i know that i'm full. you're a great guess, mike. leon is pod cast or his podcast is very popular. uh you can listen to it by the way, anywhere you get your broadcast. it's called can we please talk?

and we did. so there you go. thanks bike to hey, before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. it's simple really. we want to like try and do silo the world. you know, we've got to stop living in the troops. don't let it. boxes have a should we? and the truth is everywhere. i'm rick sanchez. and i'm going to be looking for you right here. where i hope to provide direct impact by going the since 2016 numerous monuments to soviet soldiers in poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed. all vandalized fish their stuff by appointment only within yeah. unless or even some others could. i ask if i don't think so that's the most on whether it's it's, especially when we're just putting in the police government denies the rules. so

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