it's america is a member of disorganization, have come out and you've given them really stop links to testing. they've said the russian oil export revenues have extended to $17100000000.00 in august itself, a line. and then we've got these figures actually coming out of russia. we've got a little bit, you don't type, we'll get the full state budget. but the state budget investor is predicting figures but even higher than this coming the know what it was potentially drinking or smoking before you went. i'm not the program, but it seems that everything and he said he didn't quite a single factual soul. so you just said, but if it came into his head, i think it swelled up on days. that's how the fit goes. go in common, going come sometimes, you know, he's on the table and then his off the table. so, i mean, but how the point is, what was the initial plan? how was the supposed to play out? generally, yes, if you look at the initial strategy, which is probably can come to the in the white house and then followed by the european union itself. the specifically was, let's try and kept the price of russian oil and gas that by making it on affordable for all the countries to buy. we could actually take a trip that a, how the,

like sort of can come to this and what they thought would pop. let's look at us joining forces to drive out. rush us war chest is by just now introducing a russian oil price cap globally, like type is hard to get into it, keep the pressure high on rushes economy by introducing a noise price ceiling here, taking an important step to decrease the stage earnings from oil exports of a price capital health limit, mr. put his ability to profit to your of the oil market so that he can continue to fund a war machine that continues to kill innocent ukrainians. so yeah, as we can same like from that we built the old a great, so we got bundle lion for the you we've got janet. yeah. lynn. we had a little of shouts coming in. you know, the man who's had his arm pipeline blowing up on him and seems to be okay with it saying, you know that we're going to try and destroy your assets. but what we have seen across all these economies now is the price of what is going through the roof. the price of natural gas people in those countries are freezing to death in some cases

. and that having to pay a lot more than where it's, you know, it's not here in russia. it's going to be a fest christmas scene here. my dad must say, if you're going to see that the heating loves and it's very, very cheap. what they didn't realize, so for some reason didn't, didn't know it was the rush. i had all the friends around the world. so you'd be happy to buy that from the countries like china and just like india, even countries like saudi arabia, which will have pizza, even though they will produce some nations. what happened to on light russian oil into that right in countries a mix it with every oil products which would allow it to be part of a legally sold in the west. and those are some of the stories at this hour. a more coming your way and pat submitted. cy of michael quite shall see. you again. the what kind of person blows the whistle on bank fraud and tax evasion is fired, hounded, and prosecuted. and then double is down and does it again?

what kind of person takes on one of the biggest, oldest and most important things in europe, takes its best shot. and then the best shot of this with government and does it again, a whistle blower. that's who i am. john, carry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 to our next guest is an activist, a whistleblower and a former swiss private banker. rudolph elmer worked as a banker for swift banking powerhouse julius bare, eventually heading the banks caribbean operations in the cayman islands from 1994 to 2002 in late 2001. julie as bears internal security discovered that some internal data had been downloaded, and it required that every employee submit to a polygraph exam. these internal documents were proof that the bank was involved in

fraud and international tax evasion. when initially approach rudolph didn't take the polygraph exam for health reasons, but he took it later and he failed. the bank had a policy at the time that any employee who failed the test would be fired and his employment was terminated. but he still had custody of the documents on the thumb drive in 2005 rou. i've sold a switch business newspaper, a cd with 160 megabytes of data on it, but was almost immediately arrested in zurich on suspicion of violating bank secrecy laws. he sat in custody for 30 days and started a website for whistle blowers as soon as he was released in 2008. the german magazine der spiegel, revealed that rudolph was the source of documents that had recently appeared on the weekend leaks website. these documents revealed that julius bear had held their customers funds by funneling them through offshore accounts, to increase profits, and to avoid swiss taxes. julie as bare, denied the allegations,

but rudolf responded by personally handing over to juliet assigned additional information on to 1000 account holders that came from 3 bags, including julius bear in january, 2011 rudolf went on trial for violating bank secrecy laws. coersion and attempted blackmail. he was convicted and sentenced to 2 years probation and a fine of 5600 year owes what authorities didn't know was that rudolph just 2 days earlier, had provided wiki leaks with yet more information. so on the day of his conviction, he was arrested again and charged again with violating bank secrecy laws. a 2nd trial was held in november 2011. but the price of fusion was not able to prove that rudolph had actually violated any laws in the end. even the swiss and german media agreed that this was a complex case. and rudolf elmer is a complex person. one is paper said, quote rudolph elmer is the model case of

a whistle blower. he's no angel, but almost all whistle blowers are complex cases and quote, we're glad to have rudolph elm are joining us today. rudolf, welcome to the show. thank you. tell him for inviting me and giving me the opportunity to talk about switzerland and it's jody called system and the banking dog. we're happy to have you. and i'm interested to know how this whole thing got started. you had a job that would be the envy of most people. you represented a major bank in the paradise that is the cayman islands. but you saw something that shook you into action. tell us about that. and i chose is concerned about the kind of a striking all trade. so i was chief operating officer accountant, compliance officer, i guarantee and secure display to an investment manager or hedge funds, private equity funds, and top of it, and expertise the, you know,

i t in the cayman islands. i know i had several old shops to the lewis itself just on the bottom. the 1st one is uh, the truck that they have us by you, based on the criminal light deck that's walked right off the bank, asked the request that's almost all past due before the party got the test and make this a completion date before 1040 golf test to continue to act for the bank. what right do they have to put up human beings to machine and use the machine to destroy somebody professional life. if the bank parties prosecute even the guy for the c i o even worse? a serious trimming of the next joke off line about reviewing the backup types of the bank. i learned that the trust company department of the company

does department serves a mexican police officer and dropped the light on the matter in the lobby construction. he sent many of the cream and notes. there was plenty of broth and even suspected pharaoh financing. but the boss, no doubt the bank advised the clients how to commit crimes and walk using it's judy as back groups accused portfolio housing became ins to have a texas on top of a k y c boss. clearly no issue or st for also were written by the president to be as bad group. i know tighten. yes, great. that's a loss called k u. i see in those states the fact shock i have it while it's related to 911, which happened files moms before the light. it takes the test. and i often travels with us to conferences or to new york sophie,

to until all in the bank i q. it's me in the california court of making rights, in the sense of 911, been to quote those, the 3 key legs. and the 1st amendment of the united states free speech and pre pressed the purpose was to destroy my credibility or even estimate the best health of the united states. i felt so no rather, and later i end up in contact number of a. fortunately, us senator call laving and the chief investigator of the us senate was texted to me and done the story about what's really going on for struck in 2000. i couldn't even prove in the end of narrative me in the cayman islands. luckily i survived. i had threats from the bank sought to buy the go for a deep dive,

it's by the, for your family, corporate, etc. so these are the things which shocked me really. i have to admit that i was surprised by the quickness with which the bank realized that somebody had access documents. how did that happen, and how was the bank able to identify you so quickly? uh, when i returned to switzerland, i informed now easily the space tax authorities and prosecution and late the this with media about what is going on in the cayman islands. they spelt a terrible mistake i made because i believe they what protect me. and most importantly, my family varies today, no doubt that the authorities informed the bank and this was use paper was sent that they thought in order to have it published. the publishing never

happened in switzerland by the way. i so the new state of faith that provides it's the state the officially to the bank and report it about my purse. i am a mentally sick person, a criminal. i'm out on the for revenge that, that there was nothing about the cream in those clients and the dubious business which was clearly explain on the data you know, to where it's i have the adopt a hornets nest of citrix tax authorities. parties prosecute this dot just and so he's trying to listen to all put that the goals and the cost of sweets, bank secrecy, i expose the truth, the true face of switzerland. i think a frenzy judge wrote to me about in prison and he wrote,

you are big expressed to display assistance, then the red army, the ira, etc, to the world. because you use inflammation at know why then that is lots to bang off. put me a lot of money, money, the bank of you a lot of money on and off me to close all criminal cases against me. if i keep silence, correct. the bank had the power to close all the legal cases. guns. lots. does he tell you? and i have another person who accepts cash money. i rather pay to go to pricing. you appear to have made a decision very early on that you were going to tell the truth about what was happening at julia spare consequences, be damned. and certainly things devolved quickly for you. tell us about your

personal situation at the time. were you married? did you have children? did you have to go through this experience alone? how did you handle the pressure of the bank, essentially falling on your head? and this was authorities seeking to have you locked up in a jail. now about making a decision, how making my decision, i could not even make thought to decisions. i was forced to go public. i needed the protection of the spot public because the bank and they'll, they'll start these used cream and sell methods to hire us to stalls. and to try me on my family. my family received that price. even my 6 year old daughter, the bank exposed expense, approximately which i learned from the lawyer off the truly us bank. about $1500000.00 us dollars. using private detectives to perform psychological peril for several months. for instance,

my daughter did not want to go to the school anymore because eating habits, liked men approach tear and offered chocolate. they bought the car, chase that my wife and find out what follows on the highway in c, r, a private detective strove at 10 pm in our that and throat and make noise. our neighbors, we're a freight, but the police and prosecution looks the all the way they stated to the neighbors safely. us. uh, a person yourself, sir, and everything is fine. to go through the experience alone. i was entirely on my own with my ex, and this is 2 exceptions. and these are the real heroes of the story. it's my wife and my daughter who kept me for not going mad. because i bought the all the right,

the suffering from a say their post traumatic stress to do or to confound by leading medical experts. on the other hand, the big thing support of switzerland or human rights watch or the and you, well known politicians playing thing style a loss and still it is at all. and it's ness. if you blow the whistle in switzerland to date, i handled the pressure of the hands with the pressure, but there are several factors. i'm real religious person. i had a brilliant psychologist to coach me. an exceptional t peyton lloyd lady lawyer who fight it in the courtroom like a lion for it's off springs and great support when i was 3 months in a christian mental thought there, i learned to think like the trim and year of the, the ball and high for or will 5,

the denazi's to think like gone the and martin luther king and all this open to my eyes. message use against me were the same as the not to many against to wish people except they could not kill me. i lost all the right the a valid on public because it became crystal clear that and i and my family. the talk at the ad space showed the co author at this and the government without going outside the law, abusing that petition nor to talk is innocent people. i understood the mode of support on the used what they kate's in switzerland to fight proof. that was. and in the recent case it like bradley b. i confess u b. s. how the font johnny relate to hsbc, geneva drab, a kitchen. uh you asked me, montague, jeremy, i missed

a and many audits. the all po 3 is loss that i was trying to teach and put back to society about things which should never become public. and the democratic state. democrats, democratic states, known as a role models for democrats. my you, it's not a role model because it's run by any of the, the banks this, this is just, this fact hurts me to my heart as a form, a taxi of the space all me about it is the truth. thank you. rudolph elmer, stay right there. we're speaking with swiss banking with a blower, rudolph elmer about his revelations of swift bank, julius bears involvement, and fraud, and tax evasion. when we come back after the short break, we'll get into some of the specifics of his whistle blowing. stay with us.

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landed and confirm for me they don't for that last or the 5. so a little the guy in most on a skid out and go home and do not you then to, to the lot by the really that's when the use of the, of the my last 2 adult. look you, this has been a little bit more and i mean even fun theater that i am the welcome back to the list of worst. i'm john kerry, onto we're speaking with rudolf elmer. he's a whistleblower who revealed to the world swiss banking giant. julius bear was involved in fraud and tax evasion through its offices in the cayman islands. good to have you with this rudolph. god, thank you for being here again and speaking about the the financial industry of switzerland or in switzerland in general. rudolf tell us a little about the nature of your whistle blowing. you did it over the course of

several rounds, so to speak. what was the initial information and what did you do with it? uh, the initial information. uh, a loss about the way to a spare handle of the trust as the business and the trust the parkman, the indicating an island. and that's the, the, the they, when i learned how things work and i stopped the defeat the heat. the other thing, the in the truck department on back up, they bought the backup tape officer. he, i left the lock in the sense that, uh, i had the secretary at home because the bank requested me to uh, take everything back up paypal or to, to, uh, uh, to use it in case if that is a fire in the bank. so i started the that date,

the fuck initially, i also can say that i challenged management quite often in the, in the bank and even insure a gun the i really felt there's something going on which i called success. but they didn't really take notice then i requested a little ation of my professional performance on that, which was pretty and actually except on science. and they said the, i'm a critical safety person. so that's basically of us to start. he's fine. concurrently with your 1st trial, you sent additional information to wiki leaks, or did you one version that i saw was that you turned over to wiki leaves a disk that was blank. can you walk us through that? was there a 2nd revelation? so we can weeks and if so, what did that include now?

so you're talking about the handing over of 2 tvs in the prompt line cloth of london. then julia's showed you what to do. the sauce was there. so those 2 cds at no data on it level, it's on the a film about the recent blowers. i'm not that stupid to handle with 8 the publicly and rolled price. is that because i had to assume that the english for the east was and to the to show when say look, if i see the uh so the idea of that handing over will off to make public aware of the legal trial in switzerland 2 days later that was one purpose of the 2nd purpose lot and the date of author, they are 70 it buttons on the date of julius barrett once. also they go for the

banks then so on. uh my uh, legal support of the us stop the handing over the of the dial, the wheel cds. uh, in order to make sure because they knew that uh what's going on in switzerland that's i went already to braces and they didn't go onto the get them more a be done to go often. so that to the boss, to protect the measured by on the one hand. on the other hand, it was the we in the a marketing event to show a to make, to put the spotlight on the trial in switzerland because the post bouts with bank seekers and the world pressed actually turned off in theory. explained to us what happened in court in your 2nd trial. the prosecution essentially just fell apart. what happened there?

what really happened is is the fact that my employment contract, which was comm piece k by the persecution office and kept it in uh for 7 or 8 years because this contract really shows that i've also employed into cayman islands and that you, that it's not possible to apply space bank secrecy in the cayman islands to an employee who is employed and became in that uh, employment uh contract actually uh by accident was handed over to me by the police officer. if i had to go with some data and find us which they had called these guys and we actually my lawyer is dope. then thats employment contract

uh to legal uh experts the of the in switzerland. one of them both even a uh, federal law, chopped employment law. and they wrote the 2nd opinion uh, which actually marked pete's provide. some of the 2 is known in switzerland as one of the most well known as experts in money to aubrey rose that the yukon supplied at the the swiss bank secrecy. and the caymans, that's not possible. so uh, even so, uh they uh, they uh, and finds me guilty as again, again, uh, being 2014, but in 2016 uh at the higher court of sierra which is the 2nd level

they, they had to this come up uh to uh, change the word to the main and they really on. so what's going on and therefore the doctors of the lawyer court way actually to the base like part of the dirty game. thank you rudolph elmer, for joining us and for sharing your harrowing story of whistle blowing. we'll leave it there and beg you to our viewers for joining us. whistle blowing is tough. it's very tough. in many cases, it takes over our lives and changes their very course. but as the great industrialist henry ford says, quote, obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals . and that's why in the end whistle blowers are so often successful, even when the cost is very high,

the goal is bigger than we are. the goal is the public good. that's why we do it. thanks for joining us for another episode of who was of lowers. i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the, the dark goodness, but this was sort of thing you made. so the way it might still cover up to the new approaches in the one that's the 1st thing i'm gonna send you. the heads up almost more than the frontier needs. nothing. just confused as to cut the entry and everything. i think the points on says workspace of interest.

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