the the the, what kind of person blows the whistle on bank fraud and tax evasion is fired, hounded, and prosecuted, and then double is down and does it again, what kind of person takes on one of the biggest oldest and most important banks in europe takes its best shot and then the best shot of this with government and does it again a whistle blower. that's who i am. john, carry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 to our next guest is an activist, a whistleblower and a former swiss private banker. rudolph elmer worked as

a banker for swift banking powerhouse julius bare, eventually heading the banks caribbean operations in the cayman islands from 1994 to 2002 in late 2001 julius bears internal security, discovered that some internal data had been downloaded and it required that every employee submit to a polygraph exam. these internal documents were proof that the bank was involved in fraud and international tax evasion. when initially approach rudolph didn't take the polygraph exam for health reasons, but he took it later and he failed. the bank had a policy at the time that any employee who failed the test would be fired and his employment was terminated. but he still had custody of the documents on the thumb drive. in 2005 rou, i've sold a switch business newspaper, a cd with 160 megabytes of data on it, but was almost immediately arrested in zurich on suspicion of violating bank secrecy laws. he sat in custody for 30 days and started

a website for whistle blowers as soon as he was released in 2008. the german magazine der spiegel revealed that rudolf was the source of documents that had recently appeared on the weekend leaks website. these documents revealed that julius bear had held their customers funds by funneling them through offshore accounts, to increase profits, and to avoid swiss taxes. julie as bare, denied the allegations, but rudolf responded by personally handing over to juliet assigned additional information on to 1000 account holders. that came from 3 banks, including julie as bare in january 2011 rudolf went on trial for violating bank secrecy laws, coersion and attempted blackmail. he was convicted and sentenced to 2 years probation and a fine of 5600 year owes what authorities didn't know was that rudolph just 2 days earlier, had provided wiki leaks with yet more information. so on the day of his conviction,

he was arrested again and charged again with violating bank secrecy laws. a 2nd trial was held in november 2011. but the price of fusion was not able to prove that rudolph had actually violated any laws in the end. even the swiss and german media agreed that this was a complex case. and rudolf elmer is a complex person. one newspaper said, quote rudolph elmer is the model case of a whistle blower. he's no angel, but almost all whistle blowers are complex cases and quote, we're glad to have rudolph elm or joining us today. rudolf, welcome to the show. thank you to him for inviting me and giving me the opportunity to talk about switzerland. it's julie because this and the banking dog. we're happy to have you. and i'm interested to know how this whole thing got started. you had a job that would be the envy of most people. you represented

a major bank in the paradise that is the cayman islands. but you saw something that shook you into action. tell us about that. and my child is concerned about the kind of a jackie, no trade. so i was chief operating officer accountant, compliance officer, i guarantee on secure display to an investment manager or hedge funds, private equity funds, and football. if he's an expert in the, you know, i t in the cayman islands or now i had several old shocks to deal is it's not just on the bottom. the 1st one is uh, the charge that dive us by you based on the criminal light deck that's locked right off the bank, asked the request that's all stuff past due before the party got the test and make this a completion date before some 40 golf test to continue to ask for the bank, what right do they have to put up human beings to machine and use the machine to

destroy somebody professional life. if the bank parties prosecute even the b i for the c i o even worse, a serious trimming of the next joke off find out about the reviewing the backup types of the bank. i learned that the trust company department of the company does, department serves, and mexican police officer and dropped the learned matter involving construction eats and many of the cream and notes. there was plenty of broth and even suspect the peril financing. but there was no doubt the bank advised the clients how to commit crimes and was using it's judy as back groups accused portfolio housing became ins. do have a tax it on top of a k y, c boss. clearly no issue or st,

but also were written by the president of the to this bad group. i know to try to yes, play. that's a loss called k u. i see in those states the 3rd shock, i have it all to relate it to 911, which happens falls months before the light. it takes the test and i often travels with us to conferences or to new york se, until all in the bank i q. it's me in the california courts of making tribes in the sense of 911, been to quote those, the 3 key legs and the 1st amendment of the united states, free speech and prepress. the purpose was to destroy my credibility, or even estimate me with the help of the united states. i failed to know rather, and later i end up in contacting them will be fortunately, us senator call laving. and the chief investigator of the us senate was texted to

me and understood both what's really going off for struck in 2000, i could even prove and attend health, narrative me in the cayman islands. luckily, i survived. i had threats from the bank. so just by the go for a deep dive, it's by the, for your family, corporate, etc. so these are the things which show up to me. really, i have to admit that i was surprised by the quickness with which the bank realized that somebody had access documents. how did that happen, and how was the bank able to identify you so quickly? when i returned to switzerland, i informed now easily the space tax authorities and prosecution, and late there is with media about what is going on in the cayman islands. they

small size, terrible mistake i made because i believe they what protect me. and most importantly, my family there is today, no doubt that the authorities informed the bank. and this we use paper, i would sense that they thought in order to have it published, the publishing never happened in switzerland by the way, to the new state of faith, to provide it to the state of the city, to the bank and report it about my purse, i am a mentally sick person, a criminal. i'm out on the for revenge that doctor. uh, but nothing about the criminal clients and the dubious business which was clearly explained on the data. in other words, i have the adopt a hornets nest of citrix tax authorities. parties prosecute this got just

and so he's trying to listen to all put back to the goals and the cost of sweets, bank secrecy, i expose the tools through face of switzerland. i think a frenzy george wrote to me about in prison and he wrote, you are big expressed to display assistance, then the red army, the ira, etc, to the world. because you use inflammation at know why then that is lots to bang all foot. me a lot of my money. the bank of the a lot of money on and off me to close all criminal cases against me. if i keep silence, correct the bank had the power to close all the legal cases. guns.

lots. does he tell you however, i'm not a person who accepts cash money. i rather pay to go to pricing. you appear to have made a decision very early on that you were going to tell the truth about what was happening at julia spare consequences. be damned. and certainly things devolved quickly for you. tell us about your personal situation at the time. were you married? did you have children? did you have to go through this experience alone? how did you handle the pressure of the bank essentially falling on your head? and this was authorities seeking to have you locked up in a jail? now about making a decision, how making my decision, i could not even make thought to a decision. i was forced to go public. i needed the protection of the public because the bank and they'll, they'll start the used cream and sell methods to hire us to solve and to try me and

my family. my family received that price. even my 6 year old daughter, the bank exposed expense, approximately which i learned from the lawyer off the tools bank, about $1500000.00 us dollars. using private detectives to perform psychological peril for several months. for instance, my daughter did not want to go to the school any more because eating habits, liked men approach tear and offered chocolate. the baltic car chase, my wife and my adult adults, followed on the highway in c, r, a private detective strove at 10 pm in our that and throat and make noise. our neighbors, we're a freight, but the police and prosecution looks the all the way they stated to the neighbors safely. us. uh, a person yourself, sir,

and everything is fine. to go through the experience alone. i was entirely on my own with my ex. and if you 2 exceptions, and these are the real heroes of the story, it's my wife and my daughter who kept me for not going mad. because i bought all the right the suffering from a severe post traumatic stress of order confirmed by leading medical experts. on the other hand, the big thing support of switzerland or human rights watch or the and you, well known 40 stations playing thing style. it last and still it is at all, and it's ness. if you blow the whistle in switzerland to date, i handled the pressure the way i handled the pressure of this. there are several factors. i'm a real religious person. i had

a brilliant psychologist who coached me an exceptional t. peyton lloyd lady lawyer, will fight in the courtroom like a lion for it's off springs and great support. when i was 3 months in a christian mental thought there, i learned to think like the term and year of the, the bottom high for all will fight the denazi's to think like gone the and martin luther king and all this open to my eyes. message use against me were the same as the not many against 2 is people except they could not kill me. i lost all their id a valid on public because it became crystal clear that and i and my family, the talk at the ad space showed the co author at this and the government that going

outside the law, abusing that petition, you know, or to talk is in a sense, pete, i understood the mode of support on the used with a case in switzerland to fight proof that was. and in the recent case of like bradley b, i confess u b. s. how the font johnny relate to hsbc, geneva drab, a kitchen. uh you asked me, montague, jeremy. i missed it and many others. the all po 3 is loss that i was trying to teach and put back to society about things which should never become public unit democratic state. the democrats democratic states, known as a role models for democrats, the, my, you, it's not a role model because it's run by any of the, the banks this, this is just, this fact hurts me to my heart as a form, a tap off this,

based on me but it is the truth. thank you. root of elmer. stay right there. we're speaking with with banking with the blower, rudolph elmer about his revelations of swiss bank. julius bears involvement in fraud and tax evasion. when we come back after the short break, we'll get into some of the specifics of his whistle blowing. stay with us. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the the notice of both, both the recalls and the

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the welcome back to the rest of where i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with rudolf elmer, he's a whistle blower who revealed to the world swiss banking giant julius bear was involved in fraud and tax evasion through its offices in the cayman islands. good to have you with this rudolph. i got thank you for being here again and speaking about the the financial industry of switzerland or in switzerland in general. read off. tell us a little about the nature of your whistle blowing. you did it over the course of several rounds, so to speak. what was the initial information and what did you do with it? uh, the initial information uh uh, was about to a trudy, a spare handle of the trust uh at the business end,

the trust the parkman, the indicating island. and that's the, the, the they been, i learned how things work and i stopped these to see the details in the, in the truck department on backup. they bought uh, the backup dates off. so he, i left the lock in the sense that, uh, i had the secretary at home because the bank requested me to uh, take everything back up paypal or to, to, uh, uh, to use it in case if that is a fire in the bank. so i started the that date, the fuck initially, i also can say that i challenged management quite often in the, in the bank. and even in c, r a gun the, i really felt that something going on,

which i called success. but they didn't really take notice then i requested a little ation of my professional performance on that, which was pretty and i truly except on science. and they said the, i'm a critical thing to curse. so that's basically about the scar t fine, or concurrently with your 1st trial, you sent additional information to wiki leeks. or did you one version that i saw was that you turned over to wiki leaves a disk that was blank. can you walk us through that? was there a 2nd revelation? the wiki leaks, and if so, what does that include? now, you're talking about the handing over of 2 tvs in the prompt line cloth of london. then judy has showed us, judy uh i saw was there. so those 2 cds at no

data on it that was on the phone about whistle blowers. i'm not that stupid to handle what they the publicly and rolled for us to use that because i had to assume that the english for the ease was and to the to show when say look, if i see the uh so the idea of that handing over was to make public aware of the legal trial in switzerland 2 days later. that was one purpose of the 2nd purpose lot and the date of off of they are 70. it wasn't the only they those students back once also they the banks then so on . uh my uh, legal support of the us. i stopped the handing over the of the dial, the wheels cds in order to make sure because they knew that uh

what's going on in switzerland that's i meant already to present them, but they didn't go onto to get them more abn to go often. so that to develop, to protect the measured by on the one hand, on the other hand, it was a, we in the a marketing event to show a, to make that, to put the spotlight on the trial in switzerland because he thought about swiss bank secrecy. and the real press actually turned off in theory, explained to us what happened in court in your 2nd trial. the prosecution essentially just fell apart. what happened there? what really happened is a is the fact that my employment contract, which was confiscated by the persecution office and

kept it in uh for 7 or 8 years because this contract really shows that ive off employed into cayman islands and that you, that it's not possible to apply space bank secrecy in the cayman islands to an employee who is employed in became in that uh, employment uh, contract actually uh, by accidental, turned it over to me by the police officer. if i had to go with some data and find us, which they had called these guys and the actually, my lawyer told them that employment contract its uh to legal uh, experts the of the in switzerland, the north, even a uh, federal line, charge,

employment law. and they wrote the 2nd opinion uh, which actually mocks pete's provide. some off beach was known in switzerland as one of the most well known experts in money laundering rose that the you called supply at the, the, the suspect secrecy. and the caymans, that's not possible. so uh, even so, uh they uh, they uh, found to me guilty. uh, again, again, uh, the 2014, bought in 2016 at the higher court of c. all right, which is the 2nd level they they had to this come uh, to uh, change the road, the domain and they really on. so what's going on and therefore the

doctors of the lawyer court, they actually for the they slay part of the dirty game. thank you rudolph elmer for joining us and for sharing your harrowing story of whistle blowing. i will leave it there and thank you to our viewers for joining us. whistle blowing is tough, it's very tough. in many cases, it takes over our lives and changes their very course. but it's a great industrialist. henry ford says, quote, ops tools. are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals and for? that's why in the end whistle blowers are so often successful, even when the cost is very high, the goal is bigger than we are. the goal is the public good. that's why we do it. thanks for joining us for another episode of who was of lowers. i'm john kerry, yahoo, we'll see you next time. the. 2 2 2 2 2 2

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