in the the at the end of the 18th century, britain began by illegal opium frayed in china. these hard drugs causing addiction and literally destroying the human body became a gold mine for businessmen from the foggy l. b. a. however, the ruling chinese ging dynastee tried to resist and to stop the illegal trade which provoked the wrath of the london business community. in 1840 without a declaration of war, the english fleet began to seize and plunder chinese coastal boards. the bar lee

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what kind of person blows the whistle on bank fraud and tax evasion is fired, pounded, and prosecuted. and then double is down and does it again. what kind of person takes on one of the biggest, oldest and most important things in europe, takes its best shot. and then the best shot of this with government and does it again, a whistle blower. that's who i am. john, carry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 to our next guest is an activist, a whistleblower and a former swiss private banker. rudolph elmer worked as a banker for swift banking powerhouse julius bare, eventually heading the banks caribbean operations in the cayman islands from 1994 to 2002 in late 2000. and one julia spares, internal security,

discovered that some internal data had been downloaded, and it required that every employee submit to a polygraph exam. these internal documents were proof that the bank was involved in fraud and international tax evasion. when initially approach rudolph didn't take the polygraph exam for health reasons, but he took it later and he failed. the bank had a policy at the time that any employee who failed the test would be fired and his employment was terminated. but he still had custody of the documents on the thumb drive in 2005 rou. i've sold a switch business newspaper, a cd with 160 megabytes of data on it, but was almost immediately arrested in zurich on suspicion of violating bank secrecy laws. he sat in custody for 30 days and started a website for whistle blowers as soon as he was released in 2008. the german magazine der spiegel, revealed that rudolph was the source of documents that had recently appeared on the weekend leaks website. these documents revealed that julius bear had held their

customers funds by funneling them through offshore accounts, to increase profits, and to avoid swiss taxes. julie as bare, denied the allegations, but rudolf responded by personally handing over to juliet assigned additional information on to 1000 account holders that came from 3 bags, including julius bear in in january 2011 rudolf went on trial for violating bank secrecy laws, coersion and attempted blackmail. he was convicted and sentenced to 2 years probation and a fine of 5600 year owes what authorities didn't know was that rudolph just 2 days earlier had provided which he leaks with yet more information. so on the day of his conviction, he was arrested again and charged again with violating bank secrecy laws. a 2nd trial was held in november 2011. but the price of fusion was not able to prove that rudolph had actually violated any laws in the end. even this with in german media

agreed that this was a complex case. and rudolf elmer is a complex person. one newspaper said, quote rudolph elmer is the model case of a whistleblower, he's no angel, but almost all whistle blowers are complex cases and quote. we're glad to have rudolph elmer joining us today. rudolf, welcome to the show. thank you to him for inviting me and giving me the opportunity to talk about switzerland. it's julie because this and the banking dog. we're happy to have you. and i'm interested to know how this whole thing got started. you had a job that would be the envy of most people. you represented a major bank in the paradise that is the cayman islands. but you saw something that shook you into action. tell us about that. and my child is concerned about the kind of tracking all tray. so i was chief operating officer accountant,

compliance officer. i guarantee on secure display to an investment manager or hedge funds, private equity funds, and football. if he's an expert in the, you know, in the cayman islands, now i had several old shocks to deal is it's not just on the bottom. the 1st one is uh, the truck that i was fired based on the criminal light detect. that's what the right off the bank has to request. that's almost all past due before the party got the test and make this a completion at they before the 40 golf test to continue to act for the bank. what right do they have to put up human beings to machine and use the machine to destroy somebody professional life. if the bank parties prosecute even the guy or the c i o even worse. a serious trimming of the next joke

off line about reviewing the backup types of the bank. i learned that the trust company department of the company does department serves a mexican police officer and dropped the lines that are involved in construction eats and many of the cream and notes that was plenty of broth and even suspect the federal financing. but the boss, no doubt the bank advised the clients how to commit crimes and was using it's judy as back groups accused portfolio housing became is to have a tax it on top of a k y c boss. clearly no issue or st. paul, also written by the president of this bad group. i know to titan. yes, play. that's a loss called k y c. in those states. the 3rd shock i have it from all to relate

it to $911.00. which happens falls months before the light. it takes the test and i often travel to the us to conferences or to new york southeast until all in the bank i q. it's me in the california courts of making rights, in the sense of 911 men to quote those the 3 key legs and the 1st amendment of the united states, free speech and pre pressed the purpose was to destroy my credibility, or even estimate me with the help of the united states. i felt so no rather, and later i end up in content and will be fortunately, us senator call laving. and the chief investigator of the us senate was texted to me and understood both what's really going on for struck in 2000, i could even prove an attend health narrative me in the cayman islands. luckily i

survived. i had threats from the bank sought to buy the go for a deep dive, it's by the, for your family, corporate, et cetera. so these are the things which shouts to me. really. i have to admit that i was surprised by the quickness with which the bank realized that somebody had access documents. how did that happen, and how was the bank able to identify you so quickly? when i returned to switzerland, i informed now easily this vase tax authorities and prosecution, and late the this with media about what is going on in the cayman islands. the small size, terrible mistake i made because i believe they what protect me. and most importantly, my family there is today, no doubt that the authorities informed the bank and the space use paper

was sent that they thought in order to have it published. the publishing never happened in switzerland by the way. so the new state of the state that provides its the state of the city to the bank and report it about my purse. i am a mentally sick person, a criminal. i'm out on the for revenge that, that there. uh, but nothing about the criminal clients and the dubious business which was clearly explained on the data. you know, to where it's i have the adopt a hornets nest of citrix tax authorities. parties prosecute this dot just and so he's trying to listen to all put back to the goals and the cost of sweets, bank secrecy, i expose the truth, the true face of switzerland. i think

a frenzy judge wrote to me about in prison and he wrote, you are big expressed to the system, then the red army, the ira, etc, to the world. because you use inflammation at know why then that is lots to bang all foot need a lot of money when the, the bank of the a lot of money on and off me to close all criminal cases against me. if i keep silence, correct the bank had the power to close all the legal cases, guns lots. darcy kelly, and i have another person who accepts cash money. i rather pay to go to pricing. you appear to have made a decision very early on that you were going to tell the truth about what was

happening at julia spare consequences. be damned. and certainly things devolved quickly for you. tell us about your personal situation at the time. were you married? did you have children? did you have to go through this experience alone? how did you handle the pressure of the bank essentially falling on your head? and this was authorities seeking to have you locked up in a jail? now about making a decision, how of making my decision, i could not even make thought to decision. i was forced to go public. i needed the protection of the public because the bank and they'll, they'll start the used cream and sell methods to hire us to stalls and threatened me and my family. my family received that price. even my 6 year old daughter, the bank exposed expense, approximately, which i learned from the lawyer off the truly is bang. about $1500000.00 us

dollars. using private detectives to perform psychological peril for several months. for instance, my daughter did not want to go to the school any more because eating habits liked men approach tara, and to offer chocolate. they have all the car chase my vice and find out what's followed on the highways. in c, r a private detective strove at 10 pm in our that and throat and make noise. our neighbors, we're a freight, but the police and prosecution look the all the way they stated to the neighbors simply us, uh, a person is upset and everything is fine. to go through the experience alone, i was entirely on my own if my ex and if you 2 exceptions and these are the

real heroes of the story. it's my wife and my daughter who kept me for not going mad because i bought the all the right, the suffering from a severe post traumatic stress is or to confound by leading medical experts. on the other hand, the big thing support of switzerland or human rights watch or the and you, well known 40 patients playing thing style. it last and still it is at all. and it's ness. if you blow the whistle in switzerland to date, i handled the pressure the way i handled the pressure of this. there are several factors. i'm a real religious person. i had a brilliant psychologist who coached me an exceptional t. peyton lloyd lady lawyer who fight it in the courtroom like a lion for it's off spring and great support. when i was 3 months in

a christian mental, it's all there. i learned to think like the trim and ear of the, the bone high for all will fight the denazi's to think like gone the and martin luther king and all this open to my eyes. message use against me. but the same as the not many against to is people, except they could not kill me. i lost all their id a valid on public because it became crystal clear that's and i and my family. the talk at the ad space showed the co author at this and the government that going outside the law, abusing that petition nor to talk is innocent people. i understood the mode of support on the used what they kate's in switzerland fight proof. that was and in

the recent case it's like bradley b. i confess u b. s. how the font johnny relate to hsbc. geneva travel kitchen. uh you asked me, montague, jeremy nest a and many others. the all po 3 is loss that i was trying to teach and put back society about things which should never become public unit democratic state. the democrats, democratic states, known as a role models for democrats. my you, it's not a role model because it's run by any of the, the banks this, this is just, this fact hurts me to my heart as a form, a tap off the space. all me about it is the truth. thank you. rudolph elmer, stay right there. we're speaking with swiss banking with the blower, rudolph elmer about his revelations of swift bank, julius bears involvement in fraud and tax evasion. when we come back after the

short break, we'll get into some of the specifics of his whistle blowing. stay with us. 2 2 2 2 2 of. 2 since 2060 numerous monuments, the soviet soldiers in poland, ukraine and the baltic states have been destroyed. all vandalized fish this though, bye pharmacy to be the most certainly within. yeah. i'm not sure. or even some others could ask if i really think so that's the most on whether it's it's especially almost 3 of the police government denies the rule of soviet soldiers in the victory of a nonce ism, and is it raising historical memories of world war 2? is the 40 because when you order, although it did seem the non c regimes, the trustees would remain, thinks in people's consciousness forever. but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost. yes, it does take up the i'll provides for the state i need to see

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the welcome back to the list of worst i'm john carry out to we're speaking with rudolf elmer, he's a whistle blower who revealed to the world's with banking giant julius bear was involved in fraud and tax evasion through its offices in the cayman islands. good to have you with this rudolph. god, thank you for being here again. and speaking about the, the financial industry of switzerland or in switzerland, in general. read off, tell us a little about the nature of your whistle blowing. you did it over the course of several rounds, so to speak. what was the initial information? and what did you do with it? at the initial information, the last a, a biased of a truly a spare handbook, the trust as a business in the trust,

the parkman, the indicating an island. and that's the, the, the, the they been. i learned how things work and i thought the, the, the, the details in the, in the truck department on the back of the bus at the backup duty officer. he, i left the lock in the sense that, uh, i had the secretary at home because the bank requested me to uh, take everything back up paypal or to, to, uh, uh, to use it in case if that is a fire in the bank. so i started the that date, the fuck initially, i also can say that i challenged management quite often in the, in the bank. and even in c, r a gun, the, i really felt i something going on,

which i called success. but they didn't really take notice then i requested a little ation of my professional performance on that, which was brittany and i truly except one sentence, they said the i'm a critical safety person. so that's basically about the scar t find concurrently with your 1st trial, you sent additional information to wiki leeks. or did you one version that i saw was that you turned over to wiki leaves a disk that was blank. can you walk us through that? was there a 2nd revelation that we can weeks and if so, what did that include now, so you're talking about the handing over of 2 tvs in the prompt line club of london. then judy has told us to do. yeah, i saw was there. so those 2 c d's had no data on it

level, it's on the a film about the whistle blowers. i'm not that stupid to handle what they the publicly and rolled for us to use that because i had to assume that the english for the ease was and to the to show when say look, people to see the uh, so di, dear, of the attending over was to make public aware of the legal trial in switzerland 2 days later. that was one purpose of the 2nd purpose lot and the date of author, they are definitely of also the only fatal studious barrack month. also they go for the banks and so on. uh my uh, legal support of the us stopped the handing over the of the dial, the wheel cds. uh, in order to make sure because they knew that uh what's going on in

switzerland that i went all ready to present them, but they didn't go onto to get them more a be done to go often. so i was actually about to protect the measured by on the one hand. on the other hand, it was the we in the a marketing event to show a to make, to put the spotlight on the trial in switzerland. because the 4th about despite seekers and the real press actually turned off in theory, explained to us what happened in court in your 2nd trial. the prosecution essentially just fell apart. what happened there? what really happened is is the fact that my employment contract, which was confiscated by the persecution office and

kept it in uh for 7 or 8 years because this contract really shows that i've also employed into cayman islands. and that you, that it's not possible to apply space bank secrecy in the cayman islands to an employee who is employed and became in that uh, employment uh, contract actually uh by accidental turned it over to me by the police officer. if i had to go with some dates on bind us, which they had confiscated and we actually, my lawyer told them that employment contract uh, 2 legal uh, experts the of the in switzerland, one of them off even a uh, federal law, chopped in employment law. and they wrote the 2nd opinion uh,

which actually mark pete provide some off beach who is known in switzerland as one of the most well known experts in money laundering. wrote that the you called supply at the, the, the suspect secrecy. and the caymans, that's not possible. so uh, even so. uh they uh they uh, and finds me guilty again, again, uh, in 2014, but in 2016 uh at the higher court of see, all right, which is the 2nd level they they had to this come uh, to uh, change the word to the main and they really on. so what's going on and therefore the doctors of the lawyer court today actually for the base like

part of the dirty game. thank you rudolph elmer, for joining us. and for sharing your harrowing story of whistle blowing, we'll leave it there. and thank you to our viewers for joining us. whistle blowing is tough. it's a very tough. in many cases, it takes over our lives and changes their very course. but as the great industrialist henry ford says, quote, obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your gold plan for. that's why in the end whistle, blowers are so often successful, even when the cost is very high. the goal is bigger than we are. the goal is the public good. that's why we do it. thanks for joining us for another episode of the width of lowers. i'm john kerry on who will see you next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 or

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