the, the time action or events and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a since last year. and they to a nation authorities of sort to prevent john list from linking ukraine. lead is zalinski denazi's, the media black outreach example of uses when in the past few days, the entire parliament of canada is previously supported. catastrophic was on libya or in syria, give a standing ovation to zalinski, and then nazi ss veteran. joining me now from l. a. to find out what is going on with canada and it's billions to ukraine is someone who recently room is

a candidate for the people's party off kind of the david fry. hi. does a canadian form a listing agent to an award winning viva for i remember, david, thanks so much for coming on. i mean, what has happened to your country? i used to live in vancouver. i knew the vancouver some was pretty right wing back in those days, but really uh, the entire apartment uh, the old, the politicians, the defective, celebrating the holocaust as well. they, they have no idea what they're doing. that's, that's the bottom line. there's a defense and for those of you who don't know, a standing ovation that to a member of the ss granted year division, the 14th division, they give a standing ovation today because that guy, back in the forty's, father associates and there's so oblivious to history, they don't understand that, so be it's good or bad in the time they were the allied forces and they don't put $2.00 and $2.00 together that someone who's bought the allied forces was fighting on behalf of the axis. and they invite this guy,

give them to standing ovations. but this is coming from the government. the truth. oh, government means that it's called everybody under the sun. get it out. just leaving the speaker resigned that operating in the gland is it's, it's to blame and he's the follow guy. it's the, it's the sorriest excuse on earth, or we didn't know who it was. we just stand up in good standing ovations to people who fought the soviet, announced as much during the parliamentary debates ro here and whatever the explanation makes no sense. and even if it was only wrote to who invaded this guy, that they didn't understand in real time of the history of the ukraine of the soviets. it shows that they have no understanding of the actual history. they can have no understanding or grasp on the presence to dictate current global policy. and i say thank you for having the on to discuss this because it's been basically a big media blackout in canada. the state funded media cbc global move. you have to pull teeth in order to get them to cover the story and it's been the independent

media that has been making hell of the story. so the international community understands what an absolute disgrace the current government is in canada. you see that's kind of unbelievable. i mean, the assignment ways and goals and to all the coolest historians. this thing that your explanation that company drew, how can that many people just be clapping on demand and not understanding that to more than 40000 canadians actually gave their lives along with americans. obviously, a great number 27000000 russians to fight. then i'd say that's, that's just not possible. i think it is. it's, it's, it's either it's not possible or it's inexcusable. but the other bottom line of this is, do i believe and should anyone believe for one second, the christian freeland, with her family ancestry, had no understanding of who this guy was, or who we thought for, even if she didn't know him by. and this is the deputy prime minister of cavity is referring to. yeah. and yes, so yeah, absolutely be the, i think the 2nd most powerful member of the canadian parliament,

christian freeland, has a family history going back to nazi as i'm and the ukraine to pretend, oh, they don't know who this individual is by name. that doesn't mean that they don't know of the history of the individual and the battalion that they thought or who the says was. and you couple this with the fact that zalinski is in our parliament . also giving a standing ovation to this gentleman. you think zalinski doesn't understand the history of the ukraine and its fight against the soviets and fighting with the nazis back in an old. what do you think he doesn't understand the history and they try to read a lot of and say, well, it's not like everybody's supposed to know exactly who this guy is by name. first of all, course, truly you invited this individual into the government. there was a bidding process and i don't think for one second that they didn't know who this guy was. but even if we go that far and given the benefit of the doubt, they didn't know one by name. they demonstrate an absolute absence of understanding of history, and these are the people making 0 political decisions in real time with billions of

our tax dollars that could very well lead the war into the world into world war 3. basically it's making decisions. they have no idea what they're clapping up and they do it like a bunch of clubbing circuit seals because they think it makes them look virtuous to celebrate somebody who historically bought someone who was an ally at the time. but it's now perceived as the enemy. it's, it's curious. i mean, it was in textbooks, presumably, the holocaust, the as, as divisions when you were growing up in canada. i think it was, i mean it's, it's, it is a laughable assertion to say they didn't know laughable. and and then you say, even if i, you can't get past their christian freeland new zalinski, who was there asking for billions of more dollars. knew justin trudel if he didn't know he also known. and if he didn't know if this qualify, they made an international mockery of the canadian government, but i say the, the only i said we're just in true is going to get in big political trouble. he's made an international scene of the, in fact, historical ties between that the ukrainian,

or james and nazis and fluoride extremism excuse brought it to the international for now. that once upon a time 201420161 the bbc was writing articles on ukraine's not the problem you chris for right problem 2022 comes around. all of that gets orwellian memory hold. they don't have a problem. is russian propaganda and dressed intruder has now brought back to the international for this very real problem. highlighting the fact that the western governments are funding to the tubes of hundreds of billions of dollars or regime. but in fact has a known problem and they can't deny it anymore. but justin to get so if you can believe this, the audacity it takes you comes out in his apology video and says, this is deeply embarrassing for all canadians. but we have to push back against russian propaganda and russian this information verbatim. this guy found a way to try to blame the russians for his international embarrassment to get our parliamentary uh, house that is supposed to be, you know, a say uh,

a wonderful place of respect and, and, and dignity, excuse found a way to blame it on russian this information of russian propaganda maybe the whole canadian parliament is russian just information. so i was gonna go and joe anywhere within 2 weeks or of course the standard response. and it is a bi sacha dri instrument now not allowed for john this in britain to talk about those early bbc reports that you refer to, which as you say, it'd be in the res, down the memory hole. all still it said zalinski is jewish. i mean, i suppose rather like obama is african american. i'm not sure what african americans in or africans in libby, i think of obama. he couldn't have killed black people in libya because he was african american. you know, the argument zelinski is jewish, so that's really terrible. of you to draw any comparison or link between this as, as wife and officer, and as lensky. well, i mean, i can think of a number of other decent examples of people who are jewish, who might have done participated in the very bad things that is being jewish is not

a defense to the act is ation. and it might actually also be the cheapest, most superficial shielding from the accusation. belinda, the method cuz i might say, well, i mean you look at a man who is doing who might be partaking in bad things to say, well, he's got to be good because he's jewish. yeah, but i mean, rehearse discrimination is still discrimination, but let's full full of a logic. you can't, can't have a, not a problem because zalinski is jewish, and you have somehow, per goshen. who is the head of the wagner group? um uh they can still be nazis, even though per goshen is jewish. i mean do people don't understand the corrosion, but the murderous mercenary there. from the wagner group which stopped blowing up in the plane was jewish. i don't think people know that. so if this defense of the keys you was there for kathy anti submit, if you can support naziism worse for the the, let's keep that knife cuts both ways. the whole problem is it means nothing. zalinski is judaism, or being jewish, or jewish ancestry means nothing in terms of his, of

a political aspiration is now it means nothing in terms of the conflict now. and it changes nothing in terms of the history which helps a little bit to explain that the presence as well in western europe, i suppose, as well as in canada, a mass censorship of, of the press. you said that on canadian broadcasting, they haven't really been talking about this in west and you're a banding of russian novels, soprano isabel arenas. how can canadians get a fair understanding of why billions of their tax dollars being sent into the landscape bank account? a house they have to watch alternative media viva for eyes of the world. the rebel news is that the true north of the post millennials, the canadian media for those who don't really appreciate this. if you're not from canada, you might not have a total appreciation. the 2 biggest outlets, i guess, the biggest in quotes, cvc, canada, broadcasting corporation in regards to canada are funded by the federal government to the tune of $1200000000.00 annually. i think they're funded by the government directly, indirectly through advertising, other subsidies,

whatever they are basically bought and paid for by the government. the argument being they're funded by the federal government. the federal government can change power, so it can go from, you know, liberal control to concerned or controlled. some of the conservatives want to defend the cdc, so you can pretty much imagine who the cbc state fund is gonna be parcel to. but their state funded the other ones that are not state funded. the print media back in 2018, got a $600000000.00 baler from just insured out. nothing, nothing, nothing. gains loyalty, more than handing out cash. so the print media got a $600000000.00 bill out in 2018. you can, you can assume they'll be a little bit of loyalty, not biting the hand that feeds some come coded. digital media has been getting, i call it in direct bailouts, in direct subsidies through covered ads are, you know, told the narrative, you'll get government cobra that told the narrative. you'll get government subsidies in, in, you know, in various ways illustrated perfectly by the fact that when google and meta said we're not going to part taken this link attacks that the government of canada just

imposed through the most recent laws of the government consists of oregon and we're going to stop advertising on your platform illustrating how the government compels acquiescence from the media. the only thing is, you know, mehta and google don't need government advertising, but digital print media does. so you see how the government buys loyalty directly and indirectly. and what we see in it is basically radio silence. there might be some stories here and there cuz it's like normal at this point. but it wasn't me, it's the media main stream. canadian either broke the story, it was getting dependent media that broke the stories and up amplified it so that it got international, strong willed international traction. and in fact, there's kind of the doesn't have a 1st amendment like the united states. so it's kind of important. so it's all kind of in the little telling me, i mean we've got a truck out there and we, we've got a charter of rights in very good a formalized and 1982. and it has the freedom of speech and theory, freedom of association, freedom of ability,

except we've seen under cope with that. that charter of rights is not worth the digital paper that is printed on. because the government of canada has violated each and every one of our constitutional rights in his response to culver and other other subsequent matters in terms of regulating censoring content on the internet. will a case that we can really talk about russell brands case as raise the profile of rumble of the platform. we go out on so many people go out on uh who. com go out on the youtube uh, owned by pentagon contract or alphabet google. you understand or something to do is rumbling away because there's a press release saying that to moderation policies rumble, are designed by leading rumbles, locals create as robert bonds and david fry. hi, how do you design policies for a platform that a different to the ones on the sense in platforms as well? so robert barnes and i were both attorneys buy training. robert is still

a practicing attorney and we devised basically the, the terms of service, the guidelines for how they're gonna, uh, you know, regulate content. and the most important thing is not having opaque rules that are politically weaponized to suppress ideological adversaries. what the problem was with youtube rules is not that they don't have any, is that they're so opaque or they can be weaponized one way or the other. someone says one word and it does or a sense to ship someone else's exact same word and it deserves amplification. so we've, we've, we've devised these, you know, terms which say, if it's a legal, it's not going to be censored, you know, above and beyond what is over harassment, what it is not what it's not lawful in the 1st place. and more importantly than anything, transparency. so there might be issues where people say, you know, you've, you've took off a video for an x. why is that a reason? we, we think it's a violation of free speech. we'll say this is why, here's the timestamp. there's no ambiguity as to how the rules are being enforced on rumble, as opposed to youtube, where i have an interview with the

a cam. rooney and cubic one named fossil and i got school was jailed for violating cobra protocol into india back. find almost a $100000.00. they took off my interview with him because of medical misinformation and i don't know, i made a stick. it was like we're just give me the time step. let me know where no response. sorry, that's all we can do. appeal rejected. so we've been working with rumble to make sure that their terms of service, community guidelines are clear and not susceptible a political weapon. isaiah sion, david, right, i'll stop you there more from the v before i host and for my litigator and candidate for the people's by the accountant there after his break, the, the, the, the,

there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the or is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals. what are you living on that we have very close propaganda, you know, price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the welcome back to going on the ground. i'm still here with you before i goes involvement, litigate during candidate for the people's body of kind of the david fried. what did you make of the fact that rumble is that to take down its entire site from the republic a from because france says

r t is state funded media. and if you don't block it, rumble, we're going to block, you take it down or will block you with. can you imagine this? this is a part of the 3 western society and set aside however you feel about r t o operate on the basis it states funded, and it could be qualified as propaganda. let's operate on the basis. it state funded propaganda. what do you think the bbc is? what do you think the nprs what you think the cbc is? what do you think? cnn is m s nbc. i mean, these things are directly or indirectly state funded propaganda. and because we're in a war that they then think they go sensitive information so that you don't even have access to news from a certain part of the world, which if it states funded propaganda above and beyond, maybe defending its own state funding, it might be critical of other regimes, other governments it's, it's so patently obvious what this is. it's an attempt to control the narrative. oh, on the lines of or what else? 1984. just yeah. delete certain stuff. blocks certain stuff and give the,

the megaphone the monopoly of state for the propaganda to the state funded propaganda that they like that they agreement it's, it's preposterous. and the only question is going to be, is britain, you know, the birthplace of freedom, freedom of speech, individual, right? is it going well, maybe it's not the birthplace, but is it going to follow suit and try to find a way to suppress, to deliberately target rumble, because, rumbled, that has taken a position that it will not be monetize. one of his creators, based on anonymous, unproven allegations a boss platform, conduct that have no relevance or connection to the online content. we'll see what we'll see, what, what does it do? i, i can't believe the world is getting to this point, however, but did it show even you, david is being used to this kind of censorship that's been growing and recently is that a new cable edition married to someone from the u. k. shadowy, 77th, or gave this information division that i, i got to know when i was broadcasting for london would write to ramble,

to ask them questions about a case which hasn't had any due process or due uh, judicial process. the tool, as i said with mrs. news broke of russel brands and they come up with a monogamous accusers from decades old. and i've, i've known of russell brands history i've, i mean, i've listened to his book. i say listen, i, i mean we can't, we can't really talk about as you know, the british or danny generally said, don't even talk about it, just let himself or you get no, nobody can make money. he can't. and you can't even defend himself publicly was i was, i was disappointed, but not shocked, but i said right from the get go. this is more than just russell brand. it's what russel brand represents, but it's also the 2 step to the platform that allows voices like russell brand to be heard. and so i, you know, i don't like putting ju, do out in the universe because i don't want to feel responsible if and when that happens later on. so i kept my prediction a little bit to myself. although i did predicted, you know,

they got to twitter. when i found out that they sent letters to take talk youtube to the b b c. i mean that this, this is one guy. i don't think they need it as the bbc and fan. i think it was before youtube, just acted, or the magic know youtube is active, but they sent the brisk whatever committee. this was sent, the same type of the letter to, to take talk and then sent a letter to the b, b. c. encouraging the bbc to encourage employees to come forward with further accusations. you have a government entity, contacting another government and to be giving it to wink wink nudge nudge to pay. is there any more excuses out there and make sure that they know that they can go to the police as if anybody needs that reminder? it's the, it's to me, it's deliberately cooking up more accusations, so they can then not just go after russell brand, he's a big fish, but they're going to go after whole. see, after that rumble and twitter or the seas in which the fishes like russell brand, swim and bright. and so this is nothing but uh uh, you know,

the vague indirect way of getting to the platforms themselves in anticipation of 2024 in anticipation of full regulation of the incident. so they can control what you can hear and what you can think you can talk if they, they want to, you know, protect the safety of the internet against back seeing this information. and this information, which we now seem to pretty much only from the government over the course of years . but yeah, that, that's, that's the game plan is disappointed today. i mean, i don't think trump can, i mean, the leading opposition leader of the united states can run using rumble from prison . use. you know, dads, of course, did it before we've, we've seen, obviously dr. calls and being fired from fox news. he's using rumble. i understand it will eat on most of the sides. okay. can the how can we would stand the pressure at the moment? i mean, any west in europe can impose all sorts of problems on these companies because there is no free speech, but the united states has that 1st amendment. they have it, they defend it,

and it's a quasi religious principle. and i say this in the best possible way in the united states is the freedom to go up and tell a government official to go ask themselves. and i understand the value of this now having come down from canada where i thought we had free speech. and i remember back in the early days and by channel americans were saying, you guys have no free speech up in canada and like, what are you talking about? we do a lot of the whole now you can actually be criminally truck. take you to the for miss gendering someone. and i'm that i'm almost not exaggerating. there. i'd rather loudly made actually isn't the point them going back to what we're used to making by the idea that the nazi symbol was spotted on the truck is striking canada. oh, working on the glass, the canadians were associated with matches. and while it turns out it's the liberal elite, i appreciate this and everybody in the audience should appreciate this. there was one flag with us. this was swastika on it during the entire auto,

a protest on day one and a very convenient spot right in front of a professional photographer. they got their one picture and then demonized everyone there as far right? extreme examples of you name and whether or not that individual was a plans and as on for buckets, or what about that person? was they with the flags commentating that they believe the government is acting like a nazi regime? that was it, and that was good enough to demonize hundreds of thousands of people. you get the liberal government inviting an actual massey into the, into the parliament and giving him to standing ovations and then saying, we didn't know, don't politicize if you have one m p, carina gold say without laughing. let's not politicize this. it's a shameless audacity that i cannot overemphasize, let's not politicize this. and then she actually had the audacity to suggest put forward a motion to have the speakers opening comments struck from the digital archive and

struck from the what are the debate the, the archives of where they, they, they keep the transcripts. they wanted to delete their own praise innovation of an actual massey while labeling everyone in canada who is a guest child genital mutilation against transgender ideology as nazis bar right. extreme is they have no standards where all the defendants. i mean, that's what i was getting earlier about the big challenges record on world war 2, which is better argue, believe that the united states and went into the war earlier. where all the grand, great, great grandchildren of all is a canadian veterans that forced to nod, sees, i mean, that's why haven't had to protesting against the problem. but or by chance there have been a lot of people protesting, but also bear this in mind. a bit of vera sure. of a holocaust survivor from germany. demonized by the media. she comes out and complaint and you know, compares it might not be the same distance but my goodness, it's the same direction the world is taking now

a holocaust survivor. she gets demonized as being far right. i mean, the thing is a big it's, it's a, it's a political play for power. so there will be no standards. there will only be web an icing of things for power and then attempting to minimize things that damage that proceed for power. but where are the people? are they gonna start getting very vocal peacefully? vocal humiliate this really? i mean that, that's what it takes it. the violence doesn't work because we saw what happened on january 6th of minus donnelly doesn't work, is the pretext that they want we, we know that true to wanted violence during the all to a protest and but for the grace of god there was done. so they couldn't use that, they still try, they want people to respond to their abuse in a manner that allows them to weaponized the response we do. it is public shaming and you have to cumulate them on the national and international scene. and i will be relentless and humiliating of the truth or seen for what they've done. this is just the latest, you know, this is in the way the tip of the iceberg,

but it's the combination of it. just intrude o has violated his code of ethics and found to have done so in breach of the best a breach of his ethics. twice he was accused the 3rd time. this is the guy who dressed in blackface calls, all the people racist growth reporters calls other people massage it is violates his code of ethics calls other people corrupt and now calls other people. matthews, while standing ovations for an actual, not the public humiliation. relentless and the change will come from the bottom up and the top down in unison. but i'm doing my part, i think, is a lot of people out there who don't have the, the political freedom to really say what they think. well, you have the ramo channel, but we don't know whether they are, you know, shot rumble, that, i mean, how easy will it be? how easy will it be for canadian authorities to explain how they last, uh, this $1000000000.00 ukraine? why mean? they managed to explain, there was an operation move wheeler that was kind of, it is over asian in libya. we can see what the,

what's happened to what was africa's richards per capita. country operation impacts was their actions in syria. i don't suppose the main stream media or in canada talk about canadian actions in libya and syria, much today. how will they be able to explain the way the billions being sent to ukraine after this uh, this conflict ends in catastrophe? well, it's, it's already in catastrophe. and then there are been hundreds of thousands of innocent ukrainians. i'd say ukrainian soldiers that have been sent to the slaughter of thousands of ukrainians civilians that have been casualties image. it's a regional conflict and they, they've depicted it as good versus evil. and now just intruder has really just shown to the world. maybe it's a little more complicated than that. how are they going to justify vic? history will not look well upon this is my is my assessments. because of however you feel about this who's right and who's wrong. you have the west funding

a proxy work with the blood of ukrainian soldiers and the blood of ukrainian citizens. and people say like, oh, we can't, we can't negotiate with putting because he's literally hitler already there. so it's the west fighting this proxy more for and on behalf of their natal aspirations . and they're prepared to do it to the last ukranian fighting aged male and the last of creating a civilian a. the idea that putting is a hitler with global domination, but somehow can't even take over the ukraine, take over ukraine and doesn't have a population to even manage. we manage ukraine even if that were aspiration. i mean it's, it's 80 audit comparisons made by people who clearly have no understanding of history to the degree that they gave a standing ovation to a not is older because he fought the soviet score current enemies enclose, not appreciating that they were the allies back in world war 2, it's david fry. hi. thank you. thank you very much. and that's it for the show will be back on saturday with a brand new episode. but until then,

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the, the, the welcome to worlds a part the study of war is one of the oldest academic disciplines going back for millennia. but it encountered a new, read the new specimen in the ukranian conflict. pursuit for years in its proxy form in 2022, it's built into the open, affecting countries half of will the way. what's gonna teach us about the nature of more than the warfare? we'll discuss that. i'm now enjoyed by conflict. researcher 3 and the roof glass

will prefer the glass, so it's great to talk to thank you very much for your time. you're welcome. now i know you've started the complex for much of your academic career, you in reached the field by introducing your own modal of conflict escalation and hang on to a few years ago. for most people. this was a very academic, very fair reticle, very remote discipline complex. we're far away. it wasn't something that had a direct impact on people's lives, at least on the lives of people in the western hemisphere. and i think that's changing now because regardless of where you are in the world, you will feel a to various extent, but he will feel the consequences off of the ukraine in conflict. i wonder if that has changed your own approach to this object in any way to some extent because the nature.