the yo yo ma, i'm so i don't want that to give us that the, the the hello, i'm manila chan. you are tuned into modus operandi. they're here and they have been, if you listen to what one us air force veteran told congress aliens, you oppose you a keys, extra terrestrial life, whatever you want to call it, the world is fascinated at the prospect of visitors from beyond earth. tonight, we'll talk to the world meeting astrophysicist about his latest findings in the ocean that might corroborate the existence of them. all right, let's get into the m. o. the all through written history. there had been sightings in the haven't. while modern

science can now explain some of these aerial phenomena, what about the many reports from around the world that have no technological explanation? and further with some of the biggest economies in the world, come a variation of a u. f o task force assigned to it. does the sheer existence of these governmental groups around the world mean these governments know something the public does it. so here to discuss, the latest developments in the cosmos is the foremost expert in astro physics. a professor at harvard university director of the institute for theory and computation, the head of the gal, a later galileo project. his newest book is out now it's called interstellar, dr. all the low is with us. dr. load such

a pleasure to have you 1st. can you explain for us the purpose of your recent c expedition near mantas island? what you found there? and what this means in the greater context of evidence that there is life beyond are on january 8th, 2014. the us government, the identified fire board from and meet your an object that's correlated with that and exploded about the 22 all of this over the pacific ocean. and then what's, what's special about the speed yours that he was moving very fast relative to the sun. in fact, it was moving outside the solar system. 1 the 95 percent before the stars, it's 60, keep on with this the 2nd. and that implied that these interests that are in origin that they came from outside the solar system. the 1st object recognize this, such from 2015, almost a decade ago in the us government. besides the confirming the, this,

the origin. they also provided information they thought about the fireball that allows me in my undergraduate students. i'm your see right? being fair that these meet your was tougher than on space rocks recorded by nice uh over the past decade, 272 of them. so not only was the fast, it was also tough material strength. and that's raise the possibility that maybe it's like voyager that we launched out of the solar system and that, that will potentially collide with another planet, you know, a few 1000000000 years. maybe it's a spacecraft. so to find out, i lived an expedition to the pacific ocean at the location of the meet your path. and then the idea was to search the ocean floor for any remnants, any fragments, as pharaoh's most in droplets from the surface of the object. when he was exposed

to the men's heats from the 5 or a few percent of the he or she, my opponent ball released into 500 kilograms of matter. and we rented to ship a few things because the silver star, and we collected a sled that we built up with magnets on both sides through a cable for the ship. and we drag the sled on the ocean floor back and forth along thank you. along with those in length, and we did it 26 times. and amazingly, we recover those more than droplets that are less than a medium meter in size. uh, they were concentrated along the expect to meet your path. and then they appear to be mostly circling shape very distinct from volcanic ash that was much more abundant. but we also collected with our magnets. and by now we have $727.00,

such as fear of these metallic marbles less than a medium either. inside, each of which weighs less than a milligram. and then we are examining their composition. the significance is that it's the 1st time that humans put their hands on the materials. often large object, bigger than half a meter lift came from outside the solar system. we are trying to find out whether the composition of these pharaohs is of materials that came from outside the solar system. that's the 1st question. and the 2nd question is whether it was already fish telling origin. just imagine the was the voyager being melted, the droplets that would result from that would be very different from the droplets from an iraq. and the same is true for and melting semi conduct or super

and as well as the computer screens. so we can in principle, tell the difference between a technologically manufactured device and a role. and we hope to find the answer in the coming weeks. so i've seen a recent analysis of various u. f. o sightings from around the world. uh, based on the number of reports in the 20th century, up until now i'll call it a heat map for lack of better description. but it seems you a p sightings, or these reports at least come from all over the world. but the greatest concert ration of those reports seem to come from english speaking nations. any hypothesis on what, why this might be? well and then defied anomalous phenomena are probably a mixed bag, and most of the events are likely to be related to balloons or drones. and these might be identified in

a highly populated regions where people look at this tire lots. and so the 1st day i a correlation. this one finds is with population density. and we see per month or in this guy. and that is draw for military personnel as well, of the reasons that are towards the most of the ones that have the highest number of faults. and so we should fox of the south. but as of now, we don't know if there is any clustering of an identified phenomenon, because then we are, they were, or the next door to the people by chance happened to be at the right place at the right time to ne and object that cannot be identified and much better approaches, a systematic search across the entire sky and over time. and that's what we are doing and develop noah projects. we built in observatory that morning. source of the sky. 247 in the infrared in the off because then you read your and even all of

your and from that we can infer the background how many objects that, that have explanations like birds, drones, balloons, airplanes. how many of those costs that you the background and whether there is anything that appears to be unusual. and if there is, we can figure out this that these, these how rhetoric is right? i think through the background, this is this thing. do you think way of studying, unidentified phenomena and then as of now it was never followed. and so they got a, you know, project is chopping new grounds and we have one working observatory, but we planned to make more copies of it. and of course, we really analyze the data using the machine learning artificial intelligence that's software to make. it also made its way that'd be filed objects based on

computer auditory things. now in recent years, reports from so called whistle blowers, or former government officials or even military had begun to surface. there had been congressional hearings over these claims recently. for example, a former us air force intelligence officer called david gresh. he recently testified to having seen evidence of you a piece and asserted that the us government was covering it up. he went as far as saying, the pentagon has recovered quote, non human biologics. and it is real high. and it should the former head of the israeli defense ministry, the space director at there. he said publicly in 2020. he said this quote, there is an agreement between the us government and aliens. they signed a contract with us to do experiments. here it should is effective, we say extra terrestrial life exist, and they have made contact with humans. now,

as of yet, nobody, no government has ever produced any concrete evidence to back these claims. you study the cosmos. how do you interpret all these revelations as a site is the. b am guided by evidence and as of now we haven't seen convincing evidence. indeed the coming from governments that we see fuzzy image is the most convincing. it's quite possible that there is classified data other these far more convincing because the government's money for this guy for national security purposes, and they would be the 1st not these things. with our new truck astronomer scientists are focused on smaller regions of the sky at any given time, and they look very far away, it's distance forces, so they, you, nor anything near earth. and so it's quite possible the us government would be the 1st of all this, some unusual or phenomenon and also retrieve materials from them. but we haven't

seen that the evidence. and the question is, does it exist? and david gras says it does. and he spoke with 40 people that were involved in programs and for a tribute and reverse engineering of these materials, according to him, a fed alien spacecraft. and that he was asked to provide contact details for those people that he knows what are involved. and he promised to give them to representatives into us congress. and that's all for us to pass for the in the sense that they can go to these contacts and figure out what lies behind his claims . and if we don't hear anything within a year, we would know that there were fabricated stories. if we do, if there is anything behind them is there is any fire behind the floats. we will find out soon enough within the coming year. and of course is assigned this. i

don't rely on the government for information about their state, our space. i would like to collect my own evidence, the skies not classified the ocean, so not testified. that's why i need to go to no project where we are hoping to find scientific data that we tell us whether unidentified numbers phenomena exists in the expedition that we have to the pacific ocean. as an example of an attempt to collect materials from an unusual object that's collided with there. yes, that is true. good point. nobody owns space. all right, coming up next. governments around the world, say they exist, but they won't quite say they don't either. so they have task forces setup to monitor. we'll discuss that when we return with dr. r. v low. keep it right here in the m a. we'll be right down.

the, [000:00:00;00] the, the only one main thing is important for not as an internationally speaking to that is of nations perhaps, are allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the mine and agents who are the slave americans rock obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't,

that doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous boy, a man that wants to take over the world. that was the culture of strategy. so some of the vehicle in your industry, i'm a b, i not finished, often zebulon and tablet block. nato said it's hours. we move east. the reason us, hey jim, it is dangerous. is it the by the sovereignty of the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is founded, shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large arms companies would lose millions of millions or is business businesses good? and that is the reality of what we're facing,

which especially the acceptance and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do. do not watch my new show . seriously. why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do have the state department, the c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't want my shell stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you the welcome back to the m. o i manila, chad. it's a he said she said, or in this case, civilian say one thing. and the government says another. so without a firm admission that aliens have come to earth, places like the us and china have create

a task forces to surveil the skies and investigate alleged sightings. meanwhile, cynics say all of this is merely a distraction for government failures. all around the globe. doctor ivy, low, astro, a physicist, and author of the new book. interstellar is back with us. thank you for sticking around, dr. low. so while governments around the world don't outright knowledge, even the potential existence of extra terrestrial life, they won't go as far as creating these task forces to address aerial phenomenon. and when the us, we have the u. a. p task force in china, they have what's called an identified air conditions, team made up of both military and civilian sources, france, russia, the aforementioned as railways, and many other nations. the fact that these task forces even exist is that

a soft or tacit admission in some way that the aliens might be out there. and do they pose a risk to national security. governments are interested the national security and that's why they have these task forces to figure out whether these unusual objects that they might be seeing or hearing reports about represent technologies the adversaries. and it was this that these, their main motivation, the governments are not scientific organizations, they cannot help us interpret the devices that come from interstellar space. and by the way, these devices, if they come from far away from thousands of light years away, they don't care how we split the land on this rock that we happen to be born on the earth. it's completely irrelevant from a distance. and so it's mostly a matter of national security,

what's left or any visiting probes for romance. this then civilizations should be scientific knowledge, but the shared by all humans on earth. and then therefore, if governments do possess some information or materials that represent something of the game from outside the solar system, they should provide those details to scientists who can make sense of these materials. and then obviously it wouldn't be of great importance for the future of humanity because we, we know that we have neighbors, you know, our caustic environment. it may change our behavior. if you think about living in a family that feels isolated and going off to the back yard and then suddenly noticing a tiny sport that was thrown by a neighbor, it doesn't make sense to hide that information from your family members. you want them to know that they have a neighbor because they might choose to close the curtains on the windows for privacy reasons,

all the time i choose to go out of the home and visit those neighbors and perhaps learn insights from them. but if any event there might be a time when these neighbors, we can knock on your front door or affect your home. and so you really want to know in which neighborhood you leaving. oh, well you have is your neighbors. that these scientific knowledge that is similar to knowing that the earth moves around the sun. if you ever want to go to mars, you bet the recognize that because otherwise, your spacecraft, we never reach the destination, ours if you thing, but march or beach the earth if you have some unrealistic view that the earth is at the center of the universe and thinking that we are the smartest, the ever existed since the big bag is streaming, are in the way of thinking that we are the center of the unit that's now going back to your madness island expedition. and i know the spirituals you and your team recovered,

they are currently out at labs right now. but if the lab findings indeed turn up that these, these spears came from outside our solar system, or perhaps even artificial or manufactured, meaning they were, they were made some how not that you or your team created them. could this be something that would trigger governments around the world to begin crafting policy on how to address alien life forms like a, a geneva convention for a t? if we do have convincing evidence based on materials that indeed we are not that long, and that there is a small or cheat on our quotes, sneak block, it would be time for us to sing more broadly about how we behave and we might develop a straight sions for space because it's someone that arrived at our front door. we better think about arriving at their front door and learning more about their

whereabouts. and it really depends on what we find. if we find a functioning digits, we can learn how it works. it will be like having a glimpse of our technological future in case the centers are far more advanced than we are. uh, it would involve the artificial intelligence at the level of the far exceeds what we have at this moment. but it's even space trash would educate us about the abundance of such an object and how, how many civilizations may have exist is around us. and altogether, if we change the way we behave and i called for the better, because it makes little sense for us to fight with each other. add to me she h worst, wait, waste resources on military projects. when there is a much more advanced neighbor far away,

that they could be just something about space. and i think altogether, if we change that most certainly our perceptions above our place in the universe, our religious beliefs, both positively but also world politics. and i hope that it would bring it to a better place where given the global perspective, given the fact that we realize that in space there, there are more things, more real estate, more exciting developments than here on of the we, we are work together because we are all equal members of the human species. we're all in the same boat. the both is the earth moving through space as the ocean of space. and i got to realize that when i was on the ship on the boat in the pacific ocean where all the members of the team worked together for a successful mission. and so if we realize that the earth is a boat and we are all in the same boat,

and there is someone else out there and we might want to visit that someone and it would give us a sense of being in the same boat up and working together, lastly, a philosophical question for you. there are a number of scientists in your field who have received your findings thus far, even rebuking you personally. but there are late persons all around the world too, who also absolutely rule out even the idea that there is life beyond earth much less intelligent life. and there are others who absolutely believe they exist. and then there are people like me who are simply open to the idea, but aren't convinced one way or the other at this point. so regardless of what campus they fall in, humans all around the world are fascinated with the idea that aliens exist. we make movies about them,

we write books about them and so forth. why are we obsessed with this idea? humans are fussing aided by the possibility that we might have a pop there out there because it would change our life and give us a different perspective about our existence. it's just like finding a partner in your private life, changes your life and then insisting or arguing that we have no partner just by standing at home and saying, there is nobody else out there where he's at everybody. the wait and reconfirm the physicist us, well, the truth is that to find others, you need to go to dating sites. at the very least, you need to look for your window is any better use of penis call or you go out to your back yard and search for any objects that came from the street that might indicate that there are others out there just sitting at home and claiming worries everybody is not the right approach. and that's what we have been doing over the past the 70 years. since and rig bear me ask the question, where is everybody?

we are waiting for a phone call. looking for radio signals that the mice might have transmitted in our direction, but for us, you need them to be active. why your waiting? however, if they send packages that are in our mailbox in our back yard, we can find them irrespective of whether our sensors are still alive. and that's a completely different method for this i'm practicing right now as of now. and of course, you know, to get the barrels from the expedition took a few days for fedex and to deliver them to my home doorstep. but i realized that they took them and, and perhaps meals are being else appears to arrive to earth. and then it just gives you a different sense on, on your place if you figure this out. now my point is that it's not as are of opinion because we're talking about material evidence, the waste physics work. so people can have opinions,

but eventually we should be guided by the evidence and it's possible for us to connect its people often say extraordinary claims require x on any evidence and they don't 6 the evidence. that's why just put our argument. but the key is that extra, all these are you happy? this requires extra all the and already funding. and when such funding would be located the search, you know, there is a chance we would find low hanging fruit and that's exactly what i'm engaged in right now. because people didn't do the search for objects in our back yard until they got a little project was announced. and i'm glad to say that we already collected some of the areas and we are now studying them. so hopefully within the coming months, we're going to know more and it may well be that it's easier to find what lies in interstellar space at the bottom of the pacific ocean. then it is to get it from

politicians in washington dc. dr. ave low professor at harvard university director of the institute for theory and computation head of the galileo project. check out his newest book called interstellar, it's out now. thank you so much, abby. alrighty. usually this program aims to answer questions or uh, fill in the gaps on the topics that we cover. but when it comes to this, i don't know, i may actually have more questions now that i did before we began. so we'll keep watching as this decades old debate continues to, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that dig deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host window a chan. thank you for tuning and we'll see you again next time and figure out the,

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