to hello and welcome to cross up. were all things are considered on people of else the west as a nancy problem and it's just not in canada. the west has a long history of protecting nazis and demonizing all things russian. the west is attempting to rewrite history, also a single math and the new york times tells us everything we need to know about the west losing proxy war in ukraine. the to discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess. martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator, and in budapest we cross the george w l. a. he is a pod crafter at the god, but which can be found on youtube and locals. a gentleman cross up rules and the fact that music and jumped anytime you want. and i always appreciated. i start out with georgia in budapest, which the of canada and crudo is still reeling from one of the most god awful events in i've ever seen on display in my life actually parading out an actual nazi

when. if you know the historical record, thousands and thousands of on nazi's were allowed entry into canada at the same title based on their tap to being and s as a member. and at the same time you had jews that were dislocated and they were put in detention centers because they were deemed to be possible communist. and now it's kind of gone full circle. they want to tell us that this was a surprise to anyone, but anyone that knows the history shouldn't be surprised at all. we only made a surprising assist appear stupidity of the canadian leadership. go ahead, george. well, of course it wasn't a surprise um, but they clearly so that they would get away with it. and again, keep in mind that i'm almost everybody's a knew exactly who he was it for. so if you look at christie, a freeland who is clapping, malik league will see the voltage of

a clamping manic. but she knows very well who this person was. i mean, she grew up within that the extreme ukrainian nationalist household to speak ukrainian. her grandfather had been a propagandist in nazi occupied poland. and again, let's remember that you know this a few years back. this was expose and she made it to denied us that all this is russian, this information. and she s foreign minister. it's spelled russian diplomats full of this uh, this information before finally admitted. yeah. all right. it may be whatever, but she has suffered no consequences. the she knew very well and they own it was very well because ultimately they think were on the same side with things again, okay, this guy made a few mistakes. he joined the wrong organization but, but he's on the same side as us. he hates the russians. what we hate the russians he wants to do free your brain from russia. we want to free your brain from last

year. so he's a good guy and i would just say no, you just may have made a couple of mistakes. but they are the unfortunate thing was that they had this professor yvonne kitchen also gave from all to a. it was like, he had to go to, you had the photographs, he had all the document. jupiter, you couldn't get out of it. and well, you know, what then happens is that the, a crudo of immediately blamed uh, it was somebody else to speak. uh. and then the truth, 08 things even was by the e. apologize to the queues. uh 1st then it apologize to the polls. very apologize to the l g b t q, whatever you want. the people didn't apologize to where the russians, you know, the great those victims, all the apologies that you're getting the same statement that you missed mentioning this information. but what did the tennessee parliament do? it was a huge display of this information. it's really quite remark martin speed,

you know what i find a really troubling it is that you know, this all comes from this whole cold board mantra of the captive nations. ok. so if you are a top did the nation, you were given a lot of dispensations, like green, i'm not c or being involved in pogroms. you were given a clean slate because you were against the russians against the soviets. and this is a legacy that is, it remains and i contend, and i want to talk about this little bit later. this is part of the process of rewriting the entire history of the 20th century. martin. i think it is. yeah. but the other thing i think that sort of is up into question is, um, we tend to think people bunch interesting tend to think that we went to war and 1939 to crush fascism. but i think this incident and the kind of empowerment and all those and the fact the fact that we've just completely, i'm a media of completely whitewashed or admitted any references to the nazis who are

running the credit and government the my mind. when i saw him learning is the i think, i think this was the question that you know, it's not that we feel fascism in the 2nd level is that we for the 2nd strand of fascism that we didn't like. we didn't like. i don't think we didn't like as policies, we didn't like his particular interpretation of passions. but what's happened is this incident and the kind of the bottom i think cuz i think it's pretty much exposed to us suppose to west or being hypocrites, with no anti fascist a tool. you know, i mean this is what a huge mess is. um, we just, um, if you look at the, for example, the, the, this debate now let's kicked off. i'm frankly, as kicked off, you know, not season the west. you know, a lot of people don't know even people, my generation don't know the numbers. i'm not serious, but left not only countries like you can, but even germany, you know, america about the best pick america, the line share with best buy surgeons, best technicians, best engineers, best ministry experts,

and even experts. so from the ministry who they could use um to them send to other regimes around the world to try and enter x into certain levels of expertise and to torture. for example, you know, there's a go the, what's the best, but also ukrainian, nazis flips tools. lots of places, a lot of them went to counselor, but not, not was not known in my own country and person is a 1000. so it went to the you guy. and we're protected by the british government were given a new identity, a new spaces, you know, and the background was just you number because the white war. so i think not your right to make a reference to this canadian incident as being the, the worst thing you probably say, i think is the, it's gonna be the worst phone policy initiative with us. right. well, the canadian, almost ever done in his history. i mean that the never going to cut out this. this is now recorded. this is on the recommend the there is still there. she's

still there. yeah. and what's the screen really well known, big streaming? you know, if, if it hadn't been for the holocaust then and you know what, all the voices, you know, they were rough, you know, they were tough. ok. they were very authoritarian, but it's the holocaust that always is the problem when they want to completely rewrite that. they're trying, they're doing and we, you and i have documented this for 20 years of, of read with the soviet union was really the enemy, and churchill won the war in europe. and is that landscape like churchill see how it works? jordan? no, it is. exactly right. i think my mother fixed on a very important point which is the hipaa was unacceptable. i mean that was just no way that you could accept somebody who was a regular so rabbit lee, i just submitted bringing all kinds of trunks from the medieval times. you know, you just comp live with anything like that, had a, been a little more moderate, had it just simply limited himself to hating the communist, hating the russians,

and what were one thing to push these terrible people, these savages out of your, i think you would have one phone more it here is that he did as it does, it was he did have a here is, i mean, you know, the hipaa's invasion was joined by others, but that's the office i got name is not, it was by no means just a german invasion, so we joined bios and i think this has been the case with was the landscape as a widow and he's a very good friend of mine and i think well the landscape and so he can't possibly be a fascist because he's a junior and that's that's is this monitoring is that yeah, but you could have is sort of all the aspects of fascism in place. you can, you know, leave out the jewish by the, you know, that and you know, because that's just too embarrassing. but it's still the same thing is the still the same etiology is still the same. and we need to embrace the origin that's, that's driving your brain later. yeah, he's willing, perfect this opinion,

covering this up. that's, that's, that should be people that we treat them should be asking that question, not the fact that he's doing well, why is the going along with this here? you know, martin is at the beginning of the special military operation a lot in love. last year in february they would leave the russian leadership and that's 2 goals. the militarization indeed notification and a lot of people were mystified by this. i want to point out to everyone here during the 2nd world war, the vast majority of ukrainian spots on the soviet side, not the the nazi side. there were many, many, many 1000 of ukrainians that did indeed fight with the nazis. and they fought approximately for them, and they were given protection if they survived the war. so i don't want to include all ukrainians, but there is an element in ukraine then you know, tons of thing with georgina, you know, we talked about in july. i think it was, you know, you know, this is, it kind of gives, it's a kind of un comfortable and we have to be careful. and then the through the

article becomes ubiquitous. the patches and the symbolism in the icon that have to be okay. this is a real problem here, and this is what it's getting out. it was really killed by the west and still is this incident in canada to be a wake up call that such an issue does exist in ukraine. go ahead, mark it does. it exists very much and it's not being posted on because of uh, a completely ubiquitous um blackout from western media, particularly patricia and american media who just refused to report on what you just mentioned is interesting that the media and the last 5 or 6 years or so have quite considerably moved shifted in the direction of following a social media. you know, there's one of the survival strategies that they have is that we should do more from social media. if you have a bridge newspaper now, or we offer what you see from the social media, and yet they are very selective. over was a couple of, you know, they don't want this idea of the most of the majority of british people,

for example, in england to understand just how strong the policies are in ukraine. and it was just at least a truck, you know, a former british to promote just it very recently on the torture that he believed with us. um, but it says the landscape will have to some combust of knots his round and it will basically hold him hostage. you know, so he, he bought into the idea that the landscape was not an extreme is to fall right individual himself, but he was trapped. he was surrounded by these, not caesar now basically running the show, you know, and nobody in the west wants to know. there's that nobody wants to acknowledge all the insignia every time that there's a funeral. you know, these guys put on the wife and says, uniforms and his own on social media, but we've done it with bullets on it because it crashes with a narrative which due to from the british, an american media a following from nature. you know that we don't have enough the problem and you claim it reminds but very much of um, out of when in the 2nd level, for example, um when, when church was discovered,

the concentration comes in germany and potent he did. he decided not to run that black and white footage on passing news because he was afraid that the amount of anti semitism in britain was that time might actually go against the objectives of what it was trying to do, which is to more nationalism and get more people, it's the same thing. you know, let's not show the truths about the not see impact because if we show that what's really going on the then the support of nate. so and this mad cut, my dear the, we can win a will. you know, um, yeah, but they, they fixed it as a 10 if we use the same time period when eisenhower is a supreme commander. when his troops found these concentration camps work camps, he forced german civilians to go through them to see really when a man of german descent actually did that. one of the great iron needs that is required to them. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on so we only stay with r t.

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spooked. i don't know. maybe they're getting leaks from someone but towards the they put it up and interesting. but i think it's gotten quite a bit of coverage about the quote unquote the success or lack of success of the ukranian counter offensive. it was so parallel to betray us only don't betray us, betray us. he was, this is going to be great, you know, and victoria new and so, you know, we've been planning this with them all along. and then the new york times puts up a inconvenient, true, true is that this counter offensive, completely funded by the west, equipped by the west. and it's been an utter failure. the amount of land that is exchange hands has been at school. george. exactly. and if anything, it's actually the reverse that if you look at the map, the movement on the map since the start of the years, this january, the 1st rush, it has, if anything gain search and you ukraine has if anything lost airfare. so if i ran

the calls into question, the entire rationale of nato's was because native as being assuring is now one of this here is what fantastic progress your brain is making a rough is being degraded. it is humiliated, being driven out. and none of that is actually happening, and i left for you, you know, say, well, all these lives are being sacrifice for watch. exactly. i'm you do it because the rational and that is gonna be particularly united states, you know, the politicians say, well, this is great. you know, we're getting such a, you know, the fantastic victory for the box. no americans are dying. and the wrote, the russian military is being degraded when you look at the maps and the russian military is not being degraded. god knows how many your brain is of di, tens of thousands, full, no gains, integrity whatsoever. so what's the in game here? i mean, they, you basically have to admit they, ukraine cannot win this war. ukraine's only hope is if nato gets involved in this

world, directly, the gets. that brings up the question george, i mean, i would say this is a nato army inches manned by ukrainians. okay. it does have uh, british and american, another nato advisor. so i, i would, i would, he said, besides nato cannot win this war unless they want to go to the ultimate escalation . martin jump in. that's the warning thing. this is the question now is, what is the next level? you know, when you have the new york times, basically a metric. i'm directing as republican audience because it's largely a right witness but, but it's not so sympathetic to the present. but demonstration, when the new york times is basically trucking, it showed of the st. this kind of, we went to school and the also was a cause. now we caught then what's the next best scenario, you know, from not winning and they don't have the on. so, and it also seems to be just to keep, funneling more and more money, but way,

i'm on a now and so let's keep wants to talk about setting up joint production ventures in the ukraine. more money for him and his couple, you know, this makes sense. um, there was a notion in congress just 2 weeks ago, i think, to stump up 24000000000 for you guys. i think someone's going to correct me, i'm sure. but i think that's been blowing out. it was a red. yeah. it's temporarily. yeah. but if you didn't go through this could boot the theatre about closing down the government. you know, i've gotten used to it, but it's as we're speaking gentleman, the mother spick. it has been turned off, but it's only for like $45.00 days. okay. but it does send a very interesting method. george a d is kind of a semantic thing, but we see a bill, chris, though, maybe we can talk about his over um, the commercial directly. republicans. okay. they know they, natal knows you and it's in, in, in it's uh, um, government regime and can they know they can't win, but they want to avoid losing. i don't know if you see what i mean by that. by not

losing. they just keep it going, right? they keep it going and now you have the, you, you paid defense. secretary was just giving an interview to the, telling her of a lot of them in, which is the well actually we're going to send you k troops directly into the combat zone. and you break the, have the, you know, you, the, you can naval ships in the black sea because we're a naval power and we know other fights and, you know, as a, well, that's the, the dramatic escalation. now, i mean, be the, you know, the russians, i think the russians are really liked to take us a swipe at the bridges. they don't like the british. i mean, i think, you know, we can say that the russians, they don't like the germans, but at least they have respect for the germans. they don't like the americans. they have respects of the americas. they don't like or have any respect for the british . so if you can't really does want to go down to the spot, i think it's going to get stones. and i don't think that we're going to be able to

call in late, so to bail them out. so, but this is live but you know, it's, it's a of a piece. so however, ridiculous this was, however, literally as being a shave, there are still directors like this. well, yeah, we've got to do more. you know, we've got to get a memo directly involved. martin is, is everybody seems in british leaders. so they all kind of, you know, church really incurious. okay. and you know, you see kinda be like churchill now. i mean, i, i, when i read that i want, i thought, come on, this is like the bill to babylon be, i mean, this can be, i can't be serious, but apparently is how do you explain the, i mean, is there any support for it on the ground martin? no, i don't think it's serious. i, i really don't. i think it's just, i'm a new defense minister who i've seen that experience a tool in the don't see a testing the water and feeding this out to his few. journalists, you know, who are ready to rewrite his his, his speech is or is or is not since i call and see that actually have been taken

very seriously. although i did say on your show, a branch of the very beginning of this country, i did say, i think it was a my from the time before british or american troops would be on the ground. i think that is still a possibility. but in formal capacity, if, if this madness continues, you no, sooner or later. so the idea of taking seriously the idea of most of the rates of professionals, private soldiers is going to be put into the for is, that's going to be discussed at some point because the main problem is lensky has, is, you know, you can list all the ministry problems, but his main problem is just to go the numbers. and so, you know, just recently done this. i would also say he doesn't have the numbers. yes, i agree. let me throw at the george to that. doesn't have an air superior already. we had none of this makes any sense without cares. if you can't control the hair, you cannot protect your man and not tailoring and everything else and the rest and simply refuse to give them that. okay. and they never will george?

no, that's right. so that's why, you know, he's one shot and that's been clear for a long time is to get laid so directly involved. he has to get them so that they're actually involved in some, uh, shooting well. and um, and there's still a possibility of that that could happen there. you know, we've, we've, we've talked about different scenarios, some kind of a weapon of mass destruction, the nuclear power plant is destroyed or something like that. but with that put, provoke a direct action. but other than that, and if you look at this map, you have to realize that you, ukraine, which is something, is always ukraine's kind of when this will by itself and then use. so they just say, well, why don't you endless? well then, why don't you just sending, you know, tens of thousands of troops to the desk? well, it goes to that. so that's the nature, that's been a 2 line while we go to just keep this will going. even though there's an incipient no prospect of winning and then and then the, the rationale, which is, well, we are weakening, we are degrading russia. we're not, i mean, the,

it isn't happening. so what, when, why you just keeping those going and what happens that, but this is the people within nato, and that includes the, the, by the most racial as a british government and the number of governments in europe. well, let me just keep it going. well, we have this election now is in slovakia, the clearly of the dissenting voices in europe. and as i tell you precisely, this is nonsense. this is, this is leading to complete the capacity of it. well embark name a weekend. oh, you know, the nato can serve as much as it wants. uh, and the russian forces and ukraine and heavy they can be a very long term. but one of the things that just not talked about enough and i think is very serious, is that you're, you're, you're having a societal, klaus and ukraine. i mean, you know, you can talk about numbers all you want, okay. and get the men back from europe and you know, and put them in the military. but you know, they even degraded society down so much that it, that ends up being

a total pre paul collapse. and then then what do you do? and, and i, i don't personally, i don't think the russians want that. i think john mir some are really, but it's best and it's something to ponder and it's really dark. but he said the pressure will wind, but it will be an ugly victory. and that's the, that's why i think the ugliness is the societal collapse of ukraine. it will be a no man, so nobody is going to invest money in that it all go ahead. but we are, we are any of the, is the pitching site, doesn't want that as much. one of the reasons why it doesn't go with lion and just filled out and vision, it doesn't need to, as it was, i think, written in the new york times piece that you're referring to. i think the also mentioned that pitching does not need to do anything over the light, doesn't need to do any full attack. he's got time on his side. the idea is we just sit and wait and we watch the ukrainian leads. i mean, time model just basically include on itself and that's already happening and you talk about this as a, as

a breakdown. nobody is more conscious of that. so let's give self. cholenski knows that politically, he's losing out, he's losing improves and i think the board and ministration also knows that. and i think the way out the all from the american commentators always talk about, but never elaborate, you know, to, so the, all from could be origin change in ukraine and you take advantage of a new person in to actually start a whole new process, a piece totes, you know, the americans are pushing the landscape to hold as the leg since next year. he's resisting and for good reason. he knows the ethics. there's a different political logic and i'm going to actually give different state to george because this has been his mantra for a year and a half 20 months. is that it's going swimmingly for the americans. george, why should they worry? okay, what is this? the ukranian that's willing to fight. think so cool. we're good. don't actually exactly that. and the that the american leaders have been lots of this of the many

education, which is, i know americans are dying and we're making a lot of money. the only honest contractors and then it goes all the private equity funds, all the hedge funds there will making money that will be compensated by american tax with american taxpayers oppose getting screwed over level to losing money, but nobody really cares about them. the other thing is, i don't think they want to get rid of the landscape, is precisely what we're talking about earlier is joe, is he is the perfect our by, you know, how much you're gonna bring up the subject of not is a, he's a do how could it be possible to use a building? not this is that you can you've loss of the hour, but uh, so i think is far too useful. well, the american is leading ukraine to complete the past of the, the americans now, well know this, but they don't care about that. he's making them a lot of money. so i don't think i have any intention of getting rid of him. yeah, i don't think they have a pension program for him because he won't be around to collect it. okay, that's all the time we have telemundo thing, my guess, americans and in budapest and i think our viewers for watching us here at ortiz the

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