h, that's all the lives of so many western leaders like us, senator lindsey graham, who call it the quote, best money we'd ever set for the year this year, pointing out that russians were, di as if you crazy in sports, minor detail, i guess, or former secretary of state and 1st lady, hillary clinton, who said last december, that us a to create as a quote, really good investment for the united states. they are not asking us to be there to fight their war. they're fighting it themselves, or polish president, andre, due to who said back in august, quote, right now russian imperialism can be stopped cheaply, because american soldiers are not dying. so now the dutch defense minister has added her voice to this tongue, dest sociopathic chorus. but the same minister was sitting a much different tune about values of freedom, democracy and territorial integrity last year. and in front of you, created officials just back in march. well, what this is to the dev

a states and then definitely consequences of the cowardly attack on ukraine. thousands of civilians were forced to flee or take, come and put the monuments. it is hard to imagine the fee of this must cause the same time. was he brave ukrainians, fortune for their country, for their democracy, for their freedom and full, they loved ones. you all fights in full every interview homelands and for the future of your children. a future and the free ukraine and then the world where respect each other's board is that is ok. why don't the gradients have received the new memo about how they're really just fighting now because the west considers their lives to be a better bargain. and those of either americans are europeans, somehow all of these officials and the western pro ukraine lobby. think this approach sounds so good that they're making glossy advertising. pictures about that when america warms ukraine, we've got a lot for a little. and there's an enemy of america, we've used 5 percent of our defense project to foreign crane,

and they've destroyed 50 percent of women's arm. we've done all this by sending weapons from storage for not our troops. the more you cream weekends, russia lloyd, also weekends rushes, closest allies, china, america needs to stand strong against our enemies. that's why republicans in congress must continue to support. yeah. hey, america, be sure to ask how you can get your chief war against russians today. if you call today, maybe they'll throw in a free zalinski figure 8 or one of the signature t shirts. it may cost a whole lot of ukrainians their lives. but hey, it's nothing personal, right? just business. so it just the, the other day is, are you planning and president savanski was back in america, searching for more cash and weapons because they didn't. ukraine is wife elaina joined him for a shopping spree in new york, calling to report to cranes. first lady spend over a $1000000.00 on coffee a drawer. that's right, a $1000000.00 on cottage already paid for in full. and by the way,

by european americans the the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter lavelle. the western world's ukraine project is facing some stark and probably insurmountable obstacles here is failing badly on the battlefield. western aid is reaching limits and there is never been popular support for this elite driven project. the biggest loser is a crate. the

press ok, in care of this dilemma, i'm joined by my guess prime realistic and bang khaki is a geo political analyst and a former us marine in lisbon. we have alexander guerrero. he has international law analyst and here in moscow we have sonya event then. and then she is an independent journalist across psych roles that are in effect that means you can jump any time you want. i always appreciate, let me go to 1st to brian brian, we've talked many times about you guys, ukraine, this conflict and more or less. i think you and i been in agreement and i think you, we, the trajectory that we saw for this conflict is playing out because we're seeing the, the, the, the, the room for maneuver narrowing very, very much way we have have this got a budget issue in the united states, which is divided the republican party and soon will divide the entire western world . the great interesting thing about the budget crisis in the united states and the

election in slovakia, which is the the, the winter there is questioning the entire ukraine project. the important thing that's happened just recently is that you can talk about what is wrong with this policy. debate is beginning to happen 20 months in, but me now you can actually in polite society debate this go ahead, brian. and i think it's the veneer falling off of this entire project, just like every other us, more of aggression or proxy. more. it's always accompanied by huge amounts of propaganda. and that propaganda can only sustain itself for so long before the reality is on the ground. start to break through, people start to wake up to it and when people begin waking up to it, they cannot go back to sleep to these lives. since we haven't. i mean, we have talked about the short supply weapons and ammunition and how this proxy was

unsustainable, how russia is ramping up its own military industrial production. all of this has made this unsustainable. the lies are not working anymore, and there's nowhere else to, to hide. what is really happening, so now they have to confront it and that's where things become very ugly. alexandria are guessed in lisbon. i've been watching, they've been different narratives from the beginning, the democracy versus a talk or see ukrainian sovereignty. this is all about china, you know, they keep changing their, their rhetoric. but the most recent one last few days is we need a preg magic solution. i don't know what that means. but there was, there was a pragmatic approach to this before the complex started. and it was addressing the wrongs of the minutes, process and rush. it presented its own blueprint and it was ignored. that was pragmatic. go ahead, alexander. yes, yes indeed. well, actually the european union, even this week he took

a are thinking about taking increasingly both steps because they feel that the balance is going wrong. and support is beginning to fail due to the exhaustion and lack of capacity to be dressed yet due to 50. this is why they wanted to get together and q and even the speech is used absolutely bold and disconnected from reality. there isn't a wide spread perception that people are beginning to, to, to realize that we lose coming. and this is a clear sign that the west is far from the right side of the story because the domain of discourse continues to be kind of drives more by d, interested in masses by the rooster phobia rather than piece, for example. so is thinking about you being union for all these, but blue guys is just another desperate attempt to create the catchy message that through the resume we receive the scan. do them encourage, let them go through this. they took advantage of the child. some of the goals message of you being acknowledged carrier from least the bureaus or do need to get

this message off leesburg to love you, but stock good speeches that favored anerio beast and friendship. and suddenly we see near being union making a speech demand, english, and last, they no longer able to discuss that through guidance. these are great and they want this piece control by the you and the, the, what i see only is that burrell what she described as being a garden. like, you know, it's getting close that it goes it up, becoming the journal. yeah, well it, so anyway, i of this whole statement about lisbon to little gone. so that was um and the lead a bad a box. and i just don't think she knows very much about geography. so i think it's more stupidity then a policy a but, but sonya, one of the most important thing that's happened, we had this lebowski in election, and we had the electorate there reject the use policy nato's policy when it comes to ukraine. probably joining hungry. there's a lot of rumblings in poland,

but that can be for different reasons because of the upcoming election here. but you can't talk about european unity anymore. i don't believe it was ever there because nobody ever voted on it. sonya, you know, that's right. and also uh, yesterday it was a huge demonstration and the day before. so how about we did unification. date. the 3rd to code it is there was a huge demonstration amberleen because the cation of germany in 1991. but after that, because they said around $3000.00 plus people. okay. uh now today it was known that uh schultz is not going to send the powers of its to, to print so many a gets a little bit frightened as well. and as you mentioned, yeah, it is. the time she is soto, she even thinks the price on that $65.00 days in the year. i think so. but i think the unification in europe, it's gone. and recently there was also an interview with him,

ukrainian levy. and she said on sky use that, okay, everything went according to plan, but they only had gauge one percent of land in the account to that. and she also, so the weapons from your, the flow now is thoughts on how so the my phone, the whole culture of trying to see until spring next year. so i mean, this is clearly assigned and the sides in the european union. the coming winter people will rise on more. as we can see in the, in germany now, even empties in germany are targeted. they are the walls and hospital and the wall at least vital she, i think she went to my, your car or something, but there's a lot of things going on and unification for ukraine. icing it slowly, but surely it's gone. well, now the only western part, it was never there so well put here, you know brian,

we had um zalinski and he's and he does mostly p r work. i don't know what else it means to be president of, of ukraine. but he, i think it was a tally and media, he said, he admits a quote that or is fatigue. and of course, he's looking at the money dross and the spirit cut from the, from the west, which is in question i, i don't think you know that that's over yet. i think there's the be the differences in the united states in the us congress will be resolved one way or another. and that will be more appropriations, may probably not as much, but they will continue because the, the, the democrats can admit defeat on this. they want this war to continue, that's it. they're not, they don't want peace. they've never wanted peace. and they've only wanted a damaged russia, which americans not getting. so they're just going to continue what they're doing. brian, a, unfortunately only a small handful of people in the us congress actually do one piece. a lot of people who are opposed to project ukraine are only opposed to it because it's not working

out anymore. it's prospects look very dim and they want to pivot toward china and then repeat this whole process with a nation with an even larger population of larger military or larger industrial base. and they want to start the process all over again. i think the money issue will be resolved just as you say. i think the, the west is going to run out of arms and ammunition that they can send in at least and sufficient amounts to your cram long before they run out of money into us. prints money out of an error, although this whole proxy war and the sanctions that accompanied its targeting russia. this has put in danger of the unit power system. all of its financial mechanisms that as a sort does a catalyst to spring multi polar is a forward and help put another foot in the grave for, you know, paul arisen yeah, alexander, that's what i get. i guess one of the most mystifying things for me during this

whole entire process is the position of europe. i mean, all it does is damage europe's economy. it's prospect's and, and it's standing in the world and i don't see it recovering. i mean, we have um, this program i referred to him as sergeant schultz when he addressed the united nations. nobody listened to him. nobody wants to hear with the europeans, have to say in the global south, alexander there. and that's currently the situation even in europe being union, for example, is with the german. yes, of the, as an example, and the entire branch of the german economy, the category industry, which provide jobs to more than 10000000 people. he's on the verge of collapse. this is just one clear sign of what's happening to you. no one believes any more. on the european union's leadership and european union member states leaders. why? because you don't have, you have no longer people like showing people like, uh, the only dishes from the, from the sixties and from the seventy's to really those you look, you're going to have a new market at that said, what do you have?

only presently, each one of these people who want to be x to create these be ration on your a, b s. but they, they lack the knowledge. they left the korea's man and they know nothing about strategy. and that's why people are not showing signs of set to ration. goals reveal a growing weakening of your being support for your brain. and now we are beginning to see grass opening up in the logs for unity in the last few days. for example, we have seen the political changes a lot yet that political change was strongly for us, but the situation and you bring even the situation in united states. when i read the declarations by the republican house that grew from the house again. so secretary mccarthy's she was thrown into one of the reasons expressly mentions was these eastern support for you right now we will see what happens on sunday in poland, but she is legally pressed. you are,

we are beginning to see barclays without much expression appearing as part of the solution. and the most fast a possible solution because people are increasingly fed up with the data and the to which they have been pushed to this. is it presently the, the, the situation, for example, the, even the financial situation in the west village extend using small or i'm sorry, i have, i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on campbell dilemma the states with our team in a c. 90 age and the puerto rico became a us colony that still retained its own culture like state, speak in favor of independence or to be thrown into prison. today, close to half its population, the grow, the residence, of course a retail have new representation in congress and con,

booked and us presidential elections. like, okay, we're gonna make you american citizens, which you didn't ask for, even if we were offered citizenship and we would prefer like once again a, using these 2 entities he chose define. so he's homelands independent. we felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resistance rather than submissive except reality. that would fall loosely shot fair, my sorry, that i decided to fight for my country. no, no, i could have done things differently. yes. do i now think that violence is not the means to achieve anything? absolutely. the welcome act. across software. all things are considered. i'm peter about to remind you we're discussing kids dilemma the

let's go back to sonya here in moscow. over the last couple of days, i've come across some very interesting, fresh demographic. i'm research into, into ukraine, and by some estimates, not by all, but by some estimates. ukraine's a population is half. it was in 1991 and it is getting smaller. it is richie, it could reach the point of 20000000 people and had 50000000 and 1991. so this is all with western health is doing for ukraine. it's creating it has ukraine is expiring, the, the adapt, a demographic catastrophe on like anywhere else in the world. sonya here in moscow . yes, of course, as a household population on the left, the house is gone to europe, you know, the flat, i think about 4000000 are now in russia itself. i mean like the regions most common . so, i mean that,

and there's so many also so many people died. so when he sold us, we see all the, you know, the all tell it brand new can see is clearly the new crime is losing beverly on the battlefield. so that's also a big part. so maybe this is actually what they want. they want to empty elizabeth to crime as well as yours. maybe it's true or not, i cannot clarify it myself, but they want to the left and ukraine because you know, it's heavy for thailand, so the green comes from burial. know that of course is mainly from eastern part of the does not recognize the us, but it started set to see that all these people are gone. and i mean, the majority, i think, will not go back to, to your training or 2 boxes brochure at all. they, they, they will stay, you know? so this is maybe the whole idea because you know, phones has some aspirations for the western box of ukraine. that will be poland

stays at the dc, was that so i think you can, will not exist anymore. and maybe a few years or maybe sooner we don't know. well brian, that you know, this is something you and i have talked about from the very beginning. i think after everything is said and done, there will be some country called ukraine. but it's certainly not going to be what it was in 1991, 2014 or 2023. brian. yeah, absolutely. and i think this continues with the theme of who is the, the, the biggest victim here and who is creating and driving all of this from 2014 on where the us re shaped you, praying in to a battering ram to be used against prussia. it provoked this more deliberately, the thing tang documents talk about deliberately provoking russia to extend it over, extend it. and now we see these terrible consequences playing out in ukraine for the ukrainian people. we also see the european economy taking

a hit because of this, this the sanctions and then the united states itself, i thought essentially isolating itself on the global stage and sabotaging on all of these advantages that it's held economically financially. for decades. all of this tells us who is, who is the real threats to the collect, the west. it is the united states that it's board policy, it is not in russia, and it is not china beyond that. and as far as the fates of ukraine, it's still very hard to tell. i think there, there could be some residence remains of what you used to be ukraine. but i think rush, i was going to continue pushing they, they obviously have the advantage. they have no reason to stop, but west has not given them a reason. stop. so right now i think it's still hard to tell, but what will remain is is going to be very small. well, alexander, what ever does remain after everything is said and done,

it will be d militarized. let me repeat that. it will be d militarize. ok. russia is not going to allow nato to, to do it the crane project to point. now they will not allowed on outset. also skelton bird. last week you let the cat out of the bag. it was all about nato expansion. i mean, it's really quite incredible. you know, somebody has on the internet, a montage of 3 minutes or, you know, it's not about data, it's not about nato. and then, well, of course, it's all about nato. so at least the, the, you know, they've drawn the curtain back on that i think it's all about destroying russia. okay. but is that what people really want? okay. i don't think so. you know, actually what i am here and what i read here in the area is not the same as what the shape of your view. you'll be in union and nato. actually, i've tried to spread the trying to inspire people in order to pay dress. yeah. and the most important thing is not to bring your brain to the level to the same level

and bullet your flight that you mean you don't have to be. but the main goal here is to find the feet dressed and be able to see trust. yes. and then get the rest of the fluids in russia. this is the major message that they want to share. but yeah, what i would love to highlight is the fact that what you said, peter immunization not only off your brain, but presently russia is the meaning, the rising nato itself. because nato countries are also losing their ability of their capacity even to protect it, to defend themselves from the forwarding threats. even days ago, there was on the news, something saying that the, even these are at least have to have germany to keep the air defense systems and the operational in order to allow that in case of emergency, they would have the means to protect themselves. so this is one of the most important lessons after you get from here is the mealy zation from that going cell

and losing the whole war on the golf link, that they are presently waging inside the wage against the rush. you, however, there is a good watch you from the russian side. also, we see is that what do you put in and all the gradually, they are not going after the publications that they're receiving from the west and said because the west ones, russia lose their minds. and finally, to get the ball on this coffee and they are work moderately and patiently waiting for the union and they took them to the right thing. so yeah, i think, you know, that's, it's been a huge question all during the complex, what was the, the 1st plan the russian plan because, you know, historically they think of the red army is a steam roll are going across here, a pull that is not happened and it's a very different conflict then one would have expected sonya, you know, this militarization of here of i find it really interesting. first of all, i don't think voters want to pay for it. and i certainly don't think young men want to join up and fight russia. i just don't see it. i don't see with this younger

generation at all. i there, they may be politicized, but not on this issue. sonya. now, no way, especially the western countries like another lives, germany, i don't think they want surprise or even for europe itself to where you know this. so this is, this is something was without, the leaves are plenty and you are the new new all the talk about it and you will not be, but i don't think it will get the ground. so how it, it will not happen. and, and the name of the conversation of a i think it will happen from day to lots clark because as we speak about it all the time, you're is losing bethany and these goals, like it's the, it's the u. s. i o a school you're calling me from the us. but let's hope that this will change somehow because, you know, you're is destroying itself and the weapons they have sent already the last one. i know how to use it. it's crazy. so they run out of the weapons also, you know,

the north stream pipeline is going to germany is a big mess of the country or uh, more than that is this is another for, they are the most rational hastings country the each time because we have the billing at the age 17. uh this. austin. so they still try, you know, still try and saying because of the induced uh, pro is to the f sixteens. but the people, the majority of the people, they don't, they don't believe unit anymore. if they asian believes is i don't think so, so i don't see a type of thing and i see it happening that the so the terrorist that's most likely will happen in the near future. you know, brian, what does it, you know, you're a former us marine, i don't know what a part of the us marines you were in, but i mean, is it over the last year and a half? i mean, in, during the 1st summer of the conflict, the cleaning army was decimated ends, and after that, they started rebuilding

a nato, a army with ukrainian soldiers, but the nato equipment from all the various countries. they haven't equate the acquitted themselves very well. and particularly the american ones very expensive, they were particularly useless weapons here. and this is a great the embarrassment that's why i don't think they want to send f sixteens and stuff like that because they'll drop out of the sky like flies. so they've got a really acquitted themselves very badly. very expensive junk brian. oh absolutely there's, there's so many factors that go into this. the fact that they sent a whole variety of equipments to crate it and just send one type of vince cheap flight in vehicle or armored personnel, carrier, or tank or artillery. they send everything everyone has ever developed since the end of world war 2. they send all of that to ukraine. each one of those pieces of equipment requires different types of training, maintenance, or some,

in some cases, different types of ammunition and fuel. they have to coordinate all of this a mix, already complicated logistics, even more complicated, whole reason why militaries are standardized as to avoid this problem. and then you have the problem with training. i don't think people appreciate how much training goes into creating even a basic infantry man or tank or, or tell, or even like to take up up to half a year to do. and they tried to not just transform conscripts, ukrainian con squared ups and to uh, basic infantry or, or other basic roles. they tried to create entire brigades with $4000.00 men each and created into a combined arms for this is something that would take years. they tried to do this in 2 or 3 months and the, the results are very predictable, absolute catastrophe on the battlefield. and yes, a lot of destroyed nato equipment. okay, alexander, i'll give you the last word. what's the next step? alexander in lisbon. the next step will be trying to get more radical speeches in

order to bring down the rest of which will be finally unlikely to happen in this minute. i'm not going to say that it isn't possible that these highly unlikely, but what i see is that they don't have a weight back. they can't exit. they don't typically exit here in your opinion of the nato, so they really try to continue to bore, providing support to the brain as long as they're on the economy's end. they're depressed systems allow other water and then wait until they some kind of point where they can reach out to russia and finally celebrate any kind of peace deal. but i'm a new without alexander what it will be. i, i've already predicted it does say, well the, we, we stop the russians before they got into paris. we won. okay. they'll have some kind of crack pot line like that. anyway, folks, we have run out of time. i want to thank my guessing band called lisbon and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c a next time. remember across the

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