it'd be full. why do we have you on the lines in the yard be before hosting the, the world cup in 2018? hate char w, targeted russia quite severely for what they say were l g, b, t at rights being left on, followed by, as you know, for years off to about a lot of criticism against could tar to events that eventually went very, very well with reporters who visited here thing they were surprised by the country was the 1st time visiting. why is the organization to partly politicizing, historically neutral athletic events. we have about a minutes or me. like i said, the show who is in the car while she is woke up. oh my, my, my issue with that is me. okay. if i lived there, why did you report that as the order to join us, you know why? i mean, i don't think he gave us the list in the sense, oh,

they use it. for example. i mean the oh yeah, really the congress. so, i mean, the only reason why they shouldn't, oh no, you my solution. so to say my, so my point is it's not, well maybe i'll be sure to see why the nice but faster more. we are we oh, oh, oh, oh, do you mind? yeah, let's just say y d v d r show me because like i said earlier this discussion, we can start the human rights of vision to stop the you know, and then the price, the okay. so this is all the we was given the,

the, the, the, like i said, because you're, you know, oh, okay we, we, we got to end it there just thought of for just out of time. but as you say, it's a good note to end and it should be a by shared humanity you really charlotte and vinnie yak, pub mateo, sports journalist for the tribune daily in india. many thanks for new york. and it's almost a year. okay, a friday visit to a cross talks to do is, is where we're heading next at type for peter. and guess i'll catch you again. the top the we are in the contract, the land of fire breathing volcanoes. volcanoes vividly capture the imagination and they define our lives much more than you would expect. so what are they capable of

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i'm joined by my guess. prime realistic and bang khaki is a jewel political analyst and a former us marine in lisbon. we have alexander guerrero. he has international law analyst, and here in moscow we have sonya of ogden. and then she is an independent journalist across our girls that are in effect that means you can jump anytime you want. i always appreciate, let me go to 1st to brian brian. we've talked many times about you guys, ukraine, this conflict and more or less. i think you and i been in agreement and i think you, we, the trajectory that we saw for this conflict is playing out because we're seeing the, the, a, the, the, the room for maneuver narrowing very, very much way we have have this got a budget issue in the united states, which is divided the republican party and soon will divide the tire western world. the interesting thing about the budget crisis in the united states and the election in slovakia, which is the the, the winter there is questioning the entire ukraine project. the important thing

that's happened just recently is that you can talk about what is wrong with this policy. debate is beginning to happen 20 months in, but maybe now you can actually in polite society debate this go ahead, brian. oh i, i think it's the veneer falling off of this entire project, just like every other us, more of aggression or proxy more. it's always accompanied by huge amounts of propaganda. and that propaganda can only sustain itself for so long before the reality is on the ground. start to break through, people start to wake up to it and when people begin waking up to it, they cannot go back to sleep to these lives. since we have, i mean, we have talked about the short supply weapons and ammunition and how this proxy was on sustainable, how russia is ramping up its own military industrial production. all of this has made this unsustainable. the lies are not working anymore,

and there's nowhere else to, to hide what is really happening. so now they have to confront the end. that's where things become very ugly. alexandria are guessed in lisbon. i've been watching, they've been different narratives from the beginning. the democracy versus a talk or see ukrainian sovereignty. this is all about china, you know, they keep changing their rhetoric. but the most recent one last few days is we need a preg maddox solution. i don't know what that means, but there was, there was a pragmatic approach to this before the complex started and it was addressing the wrongs of the mens process and rush. it presented its own blueprint and it was ignored. that was pragmatic. go ahead, alexander. yes, yes indeed. well actually the european union, even this week he took a are thinking about taking increasingly both steps because they feel that the balance is going wrong. and support is beginning to fail due to the exhaustion and

lack of capacity to be dressed yet due to 50. this is why they wanted to get together and q and even the speech is used absolutely bold and disconnected from reality varies the widespread perception that people are beginning to, to, to realize that we lose coming. and this is likely a sign that the west is far from the right side of the story because the domain of discourse continues to be going to rise more by the interested in mass is by the rooster phobia rather than piece, for example. so speaking about you being union for all these, but the little guy ask is just another desperate attempt to create that gets you message that through the resume, windows deep. yes. can do them encourage, let them go to this. they took advantage of charles some of the gold message off, but you're being acknowledged carrier for all these. but the girls or do need to need to hear this message. awfully is going to love you, but stock good speeches that favorite anerio piece and friendship. and suddenly we

seem to be in union making a speech demand, english and last. they no longer able to discuss that the guns did you great, and they want this piece control by you and the, the what i see only is that burrell what you describe this being a garden, like, you know, it's getting closer, it goes it up, becoming the journal. yeah, well it, so anyway, i, you know, this whole statement about lisbon to look at. and so that was, and the lead about a box, and i just don't think she knows very much about geography. so i think it's more, it's do pity then a policy a but sonya, one of the most important thing that's happened, we had this little baki in election. and we had the electorate there reject the use policy nato's policy when it comes to ukraine. probably joining hungry, there's a lot of rumblings in poland, but that could be for different reasons because of the upcoming election here. but you can't talk about european unity anymore. i don't believe it was ever there

because nobody ever voted on it. sonya, you know, that's right, and also uh, yesterday it was a huge demonstration and the day before. so how last week and unification date, the 3rd to code it is there was a huge demonstration number then because unity cation of germany, in 1991. but after that because they said around $3000.00 plus people. okay, now today. ringback it was known that uh schultz is not going to send powers in order to uh, to print. so maybe they uh, gets elizabeth fragments as well. and as you mentioned, yeah, is the time she is soto, she even thinks the $565.00 days of the year. i think so. but i think the unification in euro is it's gone. and recently there was also an interview with them ukrainian levy. and she said on sky use that, okay, i'm saying well, according to them, but they only have gains one percent of land in the account to bits.

and she also, so the weapons from euro, the flow now is, is stopped somehow. so the mice, those phones, the whole cultural offenses until spring next year. so, i mean, this is clearly assigned and the sides in the european union, the coming winter people will rise on more as we can see in the, in germany. now even m d 's in germany are targeted. they are uh, was in hospital and the well at least by a little she, i think she went to my, your cow something, but there's a lot of things going on and you missed occasion for your grade. i think it's slowly, but surely it's gone. well no, the only western by a was never there. so well put here, you know brian, we had um zalinski and he's and he does mostly p r work. i don't know what else it means to be president of, of ukraine. but he, i think it was a tale and media. he said he admits a quote that or is fatigue. and of course,

he's looking at the money trough and the spigot cut from the, from the west, which is in question i, i don't think you know, that that's over yet. i think the is the, the, the differences in the united states in the us congress will be resolved one way or another. and it will be more appropriations may probably not as much, but they will continue because the, the, the democrats can admit defeat on this. they want this war to continue, that's it. they're not, they don't want peace. they've never wanted peace. and they've only wanted a damaged russia, which america not getting. so they're just going to continue what they're doing. brian, a, unfortunately only a small handful of people in the us congress actually do one piece. a lot of people who are opposed to project ukraine are only opposed to it because it's not working out anymore. it's prospects look very dim and they want to pivot toward china and then repeat this whole process with a nation with an even larger population of larger military or larger industrial

base. and they want to start the process all over again. i think the money issue will be a result just as you say. i think the, the west is going to run out of arms and ammunition that they can stand in at least and sufficient amounts to ukraine long before they run out of money into us. prince money out of thin air, although this whole proxy war and the sanctions that accompanied its targeting russia. this has put in danger of the unit power system. all of its financial mechanisms that as a sort does a catalyst to spring multi polar ism forward and help put another foot in the grave for, you know, fall, arisen. yeah, alexander, that, that's what i get. i guess one of the most mystifying things for me during this whole entire process is the position of europe. i mean, all it does is damage europe's economy. it's prospects and, and it's standing in the world and i don't see it recovering. i mean, we have um,

this program i referred to him as sergeant schultz when he addressed the united nations. nobody listened to him. nobody wants to hear with the europeans, have to say in the global south, alexander there. and that's typically the situation even in europe being union. for example, if we take german, yes, a, as an example, an entire branch of the german economy, the category industry, which provide jobs to more than half a 1000000 people. he's on the verge of glass. this is just one clear sign of what's happening to europe. no one believes any more. on the european, union's leadership and european union member states leaders. why? because you don't have, you have no longer people like show the goals, like, uh, the only dishes from the, from the sixties and from the seventy's to really those you don't even have a new market at dash or what do you have? only presently is one of these people who wants to be x to create display ration on your a, b s. but they,

they lack the knowledge. they left the korea's math and they know nothing about strategy. and that's why people are not showing signs of set to ration. goals reveal a growing weakening of you to be support for your brain. and now we are beginning to see grex opening up the logs for unity in the last few days. for example, we have seen the political changes of black yet that political change was strongly to us, but the situation and you bring even the situation in united states. when i read the declarations by the republican house that grew from the house, i guess i'll speak again, mccarthy. she was thrown into one of the reasons expressly mentions was these eastern support for you right now, we will see what happens on sunday in poland, but to be legally pressed. you are, we are beginning to see barclays without much expression appearing as part of the solution. and the most fast a possible solution because people are increasingly fed up with the data and the to

which they have been pushed to this. is it presently the, the, the situation for example, the, even the financial situation in the west full large extent using small, i'm sorry, i have, i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on campbell dilemma state with our team, the the a, the same rom, just don't you have to shape house after

and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the in a c 90 h. the pleasure because it became a us colony that still retained its own cultural identity. speak in favor of independence. we be thrown into prison today. close to health. it's population lived in, grow the residence and was a retail have new representation in congress and convert and u. s. presidential elections. like, okay, we're gonna make you american citizens, which you didn't ask for, even if we were office citizenship with had, and we would prefer to when once again a using these 2 entities, he chose to fight for his homelands independence. we felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resistance rather than submissive. accept reality

that we fell asleep. shockingly unfair, sorry that i decided to fight for my country. no, not could i have done things differently? yes, absolutely. do i now think that violence is not the means to achieve anything? absolutely. the welcome act. across software. all things are considered. i'm funeral bell to remind you we're discussing kids dilemma the . let's go back to sonya here in moscow. over the last couple of days, i've come across some very interesting, fresh demographic. i'm research into, into ukraine, and by some estimates, not by all, but by some estimates. ukraine's a population is half. it was in 1991 and it is getting smaller. it is richie,

it could reach the point of 20000000 people and had 50000000 and 1991. so this is all what western health is doing for ukraine is creating it, has ukraine is expiring, the, the adult demographic catastrophe. and like anywhere else in the world, sonya here in moscow. yes, of course, as a household population, the house is gone to europe. you know, the flat. i think about 4000000 are now in russia itself. i mean like the regions most console. but i mean do that and there's so many also so many people died. so when he sold us, we see over, you know, the on tell it brand new can see is clearly the new crime is losing beverly on the battlefield. so that's also a big part, so maybe this is actually what they want. they want to empty elizabeth to crime. and as we were told that i so much are members, maybe it's true or not, i cannot clarify it myself, but they want to the left and ukraine because you know,

it's heavy for thailand, so the green comes from them. we all know that of course it's mainly from eastern part of that, but there's no rush i so the don't us. but it started set to see did all these people are gone. and i mean, the majority, i think, will not go back to doing the training or 2 boxes brochure at all. they, they, they will stay, you know? so this is maybe the whole idea because, you know, colon has some aspirations for the western box of ukraine. that will be poland, states that they were going to be seen with that. so i think you can will not exist anymore. and maybe yeah, if you usual, maybe sooner we don't know. well brian, that you know, this is something you and i have talked about from the very beginning. i think after everything is said and done, there will be some country called ukraine, but it's certainly not going to be what it was in 1991, 2014 or 2023. brian. absolutely,

and i think this continues with the theme of who is the, the, the biggest victim here and who is creating and driving all of this from 2014 the onward, the us re shaped you praying in to a battering ram to be used against russia and provoke this more deliberately, the think tank documents talked about deliberately provoking russia to extend it over, extend it. and now we see these terrible consequences playing out in ukraine for the ukrainian people. we also see the european economy taking a hit because of this, this the sanctions and then the united states itself essentially isolating itself on the global stage and sabotaging from all of these advantages that it's held economically financially. for decades. of all of this tells us who is, who is the real threats to the collective west. it is the united states that it's

board policy does not in russia, and it is not china beyond that. and as far as the fates of ukraine, it's still very hard to tell. i think there, there could be some residents remains of what you used to be ukraine. but i think rush, i was going to continue pushing they, they obviously have the advantage. they have no reason to stop the west has not given them a reason stop. so right now, i think it's still hard to tell, but what will remain is, is going to be a very small, quote, alexandra, whatever does remain after everything is said and done, it will be d militarized. let me repeat that, it will be d, militarize. ok. russia is not going to allow nato to, to do the crane project to point now they will not allow. outset, also cells and burg last week you let the cat out of the bag. it was all about nato expansion. i mean, it's really quite incredible, you know, somebody has on the internet, a montage of 3 minutes. so, you know, it's not about nato, it's not about nato. and then, well, of course,

it's all about nato. so at least the, the, you know, they've drawn the curtain back on that i think it's all about destroying russia. okay. but is that what people really want? okay. i don't think so. you know, actually what i am here and what i read here in the area is not the same as what the shape of your view. you'll be in union and nato. actually, i've tried to spread the trying to inspire people in order to have a dress. yeah. and the most important thing is not to bring your brain to the level to the same level as well. if you apply that, you mean you don't have to be. but the main goal here is to find the feed drug should be able to see trust. yes, and then get the rest of the influence interest. yeah, this is the major message that they want to share. but yeah. what i would love to highlight is the fact that what you said, either east immunization not only off the brain, but presently russia is the 1000000 rising nato itself. because nato countries are

also losing their ability of their capacity even to protect it, to defend themselves from the forwarding threats. even days ago, there was on the news, something saying that the, even these royalties had to help germany to keep the entropy fast systems. and the operational in order to allow that in case of emergency, they would have the means to protect themselves. so this is one of the most important lessons after you get from here is the mealy zation from that going cell and losing the whole war on the golf link, that they are presently waging inside the wage against the rest year. however, there is a good while she and from the russian side also we see is that what do you mean? boating and all the gravity. they are not going after the approval patients that they're receiving from the western side because the west was rushed to lose their minds. and finally, to get bold on this coffee. and they are work moderately and patiently waiting for

the union. and they took to, to the rising. so yeah, i think, you know, that's, that's as been a huge question. all during the complex, what was of the most plan, the russian plan because, you know, historically they think of the red army is a steam roll are going across here, a pull that is not happened. and it's a very different comp, like than one would have expected sonya, you know, this militarization of here of i find it really interesting. first of all, i don't think voters want to pay for it. and i certainly don't think young men want to join up and fight russia. i just don't see it. i don't see with this younger generation at all. i there, they may be politicized, but not on this issue. sonya no, right. especially the western countries like another lens, germany, i don't think they want the price to, or even for europe itself to you know, this. so this is, this is something was, will not happen. the leaves are plenty and you are the new new all the talk about it and you will not be,

but i don't think it will get the ground. so how it it will not happen. and at the reservation of, uh, i think it will happen from day to lot spark because as we speak about it all the time, you're is losing bethany and these goals like it's the, it's the us. i always go, you're calling me from the us. but let's hope that this will change somehow because, you know, jerome is destroying itself and the weapons they have sent already the last one. i know how to use it. it's crazy. so they run out of the weapons also, you know, the north stream pipeline is gone. so germany is a big mess of the country or uh, or the netherlands. this is another for, they are the most uh, russian, i hate things country. uh the each. uh, because we have the billing and the 817 uh this austin. so they still try, you know, still trying and saying because were up to induced a promise to the f sixteens. but the people, the majority of the people,

they don't, they don't believe unit anymore. if they asian leaves is i don't think so, so i don't see it happening and i see it happening this days somehow. the terrorist that's most likely will happen in the near future. you know, brian, one of the, you know, you're a farmer, us marine, i don't know what a part of the us means you were in, but i mean it will, although you last year and a half. i mean, during the 1st summer of the conflict, the cleaning army was decimated ends, and after that, they started rebuilding a nato, a army with ukrainian soldiers, but nato equipment from all the various countries. they haven't equate the acquitted themselves very well. and particularly the american ones, very expensive, but particularly useless weapons here. and this is a great embarrassment. that's why i don't think they want to send f sixteens and stuff like that because they'll drop out of the sky like flies. so they've got

a really acquitted themselves very badly. very expensive junk brian. absolutely there's, there's so many factors that go into this. the fact that they sent a whole variety of equipments to craig. they didn't just send one type events, cheap lighting vehicle or armored personnel, carrier, or tank or artillery. they send everything everyone has ever developed since the end of world war 2, they send all of that to ukraine. each one of those pieces of equipment requires different types of training maintenance. all right, some, in some cases, different types of ammunition and fuel. they have to coordinate all of this. it makes already complicated logistics, even more complicated, whole reason why militaries are standardized as to avoid this problem. and then you have the problem with training p. i don't think people appreciate how much training goes into creating even a basic infantry man or tank or, or artillery meant that the take up up to half a year to do. and they tried to not just transform con squared

a few pretty and con squared ups. and to a basic infantry or, or other basic roles, they tried to create entire brigades with $4000.00 men each and created into a combined arms force. this is something that would take years. they tried to do this in 2 or 3 months, and the, the results are very predictable, absolute catastrophe on the battlefield. then. yes, a lot of destroyed nato equipment. okay, alexander, i'll give you the last word. what's the next step? alexander and lisbon, the next step will be trying to get more radical speeches in order to bring down the rest of which will be highly unlikely to happen in this minute. i'm not going to say that these in possible release, highly unlikely. but what i see is that they don't have a weight back, they can't exit. they don't typically exit here in your b unit in nato, so they really try to continue to bore, providing support, to bring as long as they're on the economy's end. they're depressed systems allow

other water and then wait until they some kind of point where they can reach out to russia and finally celebrate any kind of peace deal. but i'm a new without alexander what it will be. i've already predicted it, they'll say, well the, we, we stop the russians before they got into paris. we won. okay. we'll have some kind of crack pop, not line like that. anyway, folks, we have run out of time. i want to thank my guessing band called lisbon and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our to see you next time. remember, across the the we are in contract, the land of fire breathing volcanoes. volcanoes vividly capture the imagination and they define our lives much more than you would expect. so what are they capable of

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