america was this, is this again and using the need to as a tool that will be getting started. that thing that yeah, i mean that would be another from united nation, the union control communities or another reason we'll see. so that is the question . all the other had because of the, a financial, you know, aspect that he said here in america. and you're the one of these, all of the guy. and we're going to be by using the name of nature. and by using the name of nature a fee did all of that. ok. and finally again, i mean it has to get it going to be a, like the. and again, it's not me. you know, it's not all these other classes because to need to have not want any lot needs to have

a strategy more and probably people on the other side. yeah. they have to be the prime. they have to be a neutral level. reading the easy any they have a day, you do the history of the law for the year to get to that and not yet the only, it only goes unity and uh, how does the list of people look good on the name of the lecture database and all the more i have see what nato was on the name of the piece of reading that definitely they have supported on the crime. i believe that this is not the right big and dates this quad. i'd have it. sorry i would have, i would have cut and then because we are running out of time on when i ask uh, the new one more question. so i don't remember this is t v a and time is of the essence. i the do you anticipate the terrace scenario to get was considering the

current saw higher prices, the middle east to expand it to displace we can see do rise generally the funds because the defy needles. prisons find us, you said in discount position. and one of these little corporations is a function of the activities of the military install complex model, which privately owned organizations look more comfortable back to customers. so would you have targeting to produce the pro fees that didn't flow destruction so that we can see what the conflict is? what it is business to do is maybe doing this on purpose of nipple is totally soon see. there's a limit within the board. all the point to the find the euro, i'm look a minute, it's do one thing it's time to do for the global solutions. i'm trying to do. so to finally on this policeman to do you in this

a student to come see do right to protect what the cyber security team members know what's going to suffer just didn't expect. i'm sort of get cumbersome to put the dish on the i the know i am so sorry, so sorry, a gentleman of the 3 of you for the by the side of it, but i am just as soon as you get past that. so how many cod obviously and i double got the 2nd. thank you so much. we're out of time. thanks again for joining me while they got a rush for us last night runs out of time. right now we will be back until the i with more special news. well, you'll notice that the, [000:00:00;00] the,

[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter roosevelt. the western world's ukraine project is facing some stark and probably insurmountable obstacles here is failing badly on the battlefield. western aid is reaching limits and there is never been popular support for this elite driven project. the biggest loser is a crate. the press ok, in care of this dilemma, i'm joined by my guess brian realistic and bang khaki is a geo political analyst and a former us marine in lisbon. we have alexander guerrero. he has international law analyst and here in moscow we have sonya event then. and then she is an independent journalist right across side girls that are in effect that means you can jump any

time you want. i always appreciate, let me go to 1st to brian brian, we've talked many times about you guys, ukraine, this conflict and more or less. i think you and i been in agreement and i think you, we, the trajectory that we saw for this conflict is playing out because we're seeing the, the, the, the, the room for maneuver narrowing very, very much way we have have this got a budget issue in the united states, which is divided the republican party and soon will divide the entire western world . the great interesting thing about the budget crisis in the united states and the election in slovakia, which is the the, the winter there is questioning the entire ukraine project. the important thing that's happened just recently is that you can talk about what is wrong with this policy. debate is beginning to happen 20 months in, but maybe now you can actually in polite society debate this go ahead,

brian. and i think it's the veneer falling off of this entire project, just like every other us, more of aggression or proxy. more. it's always accompanied by huge amounts of propaganda. and that propaganda can only sustain itself for so long before the reality is on the ground. start to break through, people start to wake up to it and when people begin waking up to it, they cannot go back to sleep to these lives. since we haven't. i mean, we have talked about the short supply weapons and ammunition and how this proxy was unsustainable, how russia is ramping up its own military industrial production. all of this has made this unsustainable. the lies are not working anymore, and there's nowhere else to, to hide. what is really happening? so now they have to confront that and that's where things become very ugly. alexandra, our guest in lisbon. i've been watching,

they've been different narratives from the beginning. the democracy versus a talk or see ukrainian sovereignty. this is all about china, you know, they keep changing their rhetoric. but the most recent one last few days is we need a preg maddox solution. i don't know what that means. but there was, there was a pragmatic approach to this before the complex started. and it was addressing the wrongs of the men's process and rush. it presented its own blueprint and it was ignored. that was pragmatic. go ahead. alexander. yes, yes indeed. well, actually the european union, even this week he took a, are thinking about taking increasingly both steps because they feel that the balance is going wrong. and support is beginning to fade due to the exhaustion and lack of capacity to be dressed yet due to 50. this is why they wanted to get together in q and even the speech is used absolutely bold and disconnected from reality varies the widespread perception that people are beginning to, to,

to realize that we lose coming. and this is a clear sign that the west is far from the right side of the story because the domain of discourse continues to be good to rise more by the interested in mass is by the rooster phobia rather than piece for example. so speaking about you being union for all these, but little guys is just another desperate attempt to create that gets you message that through the resume we received. yes. can do them encourage, let them go through this. they took advantage of the child. some of the goals message of you being acknowledged, carrier from leads, but the girls or do need to get this message off leesburg to love you, but stock good speeches that favored anerio beast and friendship. and certainly we seem to be in union making a speech demand, english and last, they no longer able to discuss that through guidance. these are great and they want this piece controlled by the u. n. d d m. what i see only is that burrell what you

describe, this being a garden, like, you know, it's getting closer. it goes to the beginning, the journal. yeah, well, it, so anyway, i, you know, this whole statement about lisbon to little gone. so that was and the lead about a box, and i just don't think she knows very much about geography. so i think it's more stupidity then a policy a. but sonya, one of the most important thing that's happened, we had this little locked in election. and we had the electorate there reject the use policy nato's policy when it comes to ukraine, probably joining hungry. there's a lot of rumblings in poland, but that can be for different reasons because of the upcoming election here. but you can't talk about european unity anymore. i don't believe it was ever there because nobody ever voted on it. sonya, you know, that's right. and also uh, yesterday it was a huge demonstration and the day before. so how last week unification days. the 3rd to code it is there was

a huge demonstration in berlin because unity cation of germany, in 1991. but after that, because they said around $3000.00 plus people, okay. now today it was known that uh schultz is not going to send powers of its to, to print. so maybe a gets a little bit frightened as well. and as you mentioned, yeah, there's no time she is soto. she even thinks the $565.00 days of the year, i think so. but i think the unification in europe it's gone. and recently there was also an interview with him, ukrainian levy. and she said on sky use that. okay, i'm saying well, according to plan, but they only gave one percent of land in the account to been sued. and she also, so the weapons from euro, the flow now is, is stopped somehow. so the, my phone,

the whole cover of the sea until spring next year. so, i mean, this is clearly assigned and the sides in the european union. the coming winter people will rise on more. as we can see in the in germany now even empties in germany are targeted. they are the walls and hospital and the wall, at least by a little she, i think she went to my, your cow something. but there's a lot of things going on and unification for your grade icing in slowly, but surely it's gone. well, none of the western, but it was never there so well put here, you know brian, we had zalinski and he's and he does mostly p r. work, i don't know what else it means to be president of, of ukraine, but he, i think it was a tally and media. he said he admits a quote that or is fatigue. and of course, he's looking at the money for off in the spirit cut from the, from the west, which is in question i, i don't think you know, that that's over yet. i think there's the be the differences in the united states

in the us congress will be resolved one way or another and it will be more appropriations may probably not as much, but they will continue because the, the, the democrats can admit defeat on this. they want this war to continue, that's it. they're not, they don't want peace. they've never wanted peace. and they've only wanted a damaged russia, which americans not getting. so they're just going to continue. what they're doing . brian is unfortunately only a small handful of people in the us congress actually do one piece. a lot of people who are opposed to project ukraine are only opposed to it because it's not working out anymore. it's prospects look very dim and they want a pivot toward china and then repeat this whole process with a nation with an even larger population of larger military or larger industrial base. and they want to start the process all over again. i think the money issue will be resolved just as you say. i think the, the west is going to run out of arms and ammunition that they can send in at least

and sufficient amounts to your cram long before they run out of money into us. prince money out of thin air, although this whole proxy war and the sanctions that accompanied its targeting russia. this has put in danger of the unit power system. all of its financial mechanisms that as a sort does a catalyst to spring multi polar ism forward and help put another foot in the grave for, you know, fall, arisen? yeah, alexander, that's a, that's what i get. i guess one of the most mystifying things for me during this entire process is the position of europe. i mean, all it does is damage europe's economy. it's prospect's and, and it's standing in the world and i don't see it recovering. i mean, we have um, this program i referred to him as sergeant schultz when he addressed the united nations. nobody listened to him. nobody wants to hear with the europeans, have to say in the global south, alexander there. and that's typically the situation even in europe being union. for

example, if we take german, yes, a, as an example, an entire branch of the german economy, the category industry, which provide jobs to more than half a 1000000 people. he's on the verge of collapse. this is just one clear sign of what's happening to europe. no one believes any more. on the european union's leadership in europe in union member states leaders. why? because you don't have, you have no longer people like show the goals, like, uh, the only dishes from the, from the sixties and from the seventy's to really those you don't even have a new market attached or what do you have? only presently is one of these people who wants to be x to create is direction on your a, b s. but they, they lack the knowledge. they left the korea's math and they know nothing about strategy. and that's why people are not showing signs of set to ration. bowls reveal a growing weakening of you're being support for your brain. and now we are beginning

to see grex opening up the logs for unity in the last few days. for example, we have seen a political changes like you that political change was strongly to us, but the situation and you bring even the situation in united states. when i read the declarations by the republican house that grew from the house, i guess i'll speak again. mccarthy, she was thrown into one of the reasons expressly mentions was these eastern support for you right now, we will see what happens on sunday bolden, but to be legally pressed. you are, we are beginning to see barclays without much expression appearing as part of the solution and the most fast of possible solution because people are increasingly fed up with the data and the 2 weeks they have been pushed to this. is it presently the, the, the situation, for example, the, even the financial situation in the west will large extent, easy, small, i'm sorry, i have, i have to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break,

we'll continue our discussion on campbell dilemma state with our teeth, the the in a c, 90 age. the pleasant rica became a us colony, but still retained its own cultural identity. speak in favor of independence, we be thrown into prison. today, close to health it's population lived in, grow the residence, of course a retail have new representation in congress and convert and u. s. presidential elections like okay, we're gonna make you american citizens, which you didn't ask for. even if we were offered citizenship, we would prefer one say go to these 2 entities. he chose the flight,

so he's homelands independence. we felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resistance rather than submissive except for reality that we fell asleep. shockingly unfair, sorry that i decided to fight for my country. no, i'm not good, i have done things differently. yes, absolutely. do i now think the violence is not the means to achieve anything? absolutely. the welcome act across software, all things are considered. i'm funeral bell to remind you we're discussing kids dilemma the . let's go back to sonya here in moscow. over the last couple of days, i've come across some very interesting fresh demographic. i'm research into,

into ukraine, and by some estimates, not by all, but by some estimates. ukraine's a population is half. it was in 1991 and it is getting smaller. it is richie. it could reach the point of 20000000 people and had 50000000 and 1991. so this is all what western health is doing for ukraine is creating it has ukraine is expiring, the the adapt, a demographic catastrophe on like anywhere else in the world. sonya here in moscow . yes, of course, as a household population, the house is gone to europe. you know, the flat. i think about 4000000 are now in russia itself. i mean like the regions most common. so, i mean that, and there's so many also so many people died. so when he sold us, we see over, you know, the alternative brand new can see is clearly the new crime is losing beverly on the battlefield. so that's also a big part. so maybe this is actually what they want. they want to empty. elizabeth,

you crime? and the so much are was maybe it's true or not. i cannot verify it myself, but they want to the left and ukraine because you know, it's heavy for thailand, so the green comes from burial. know that of course is mainly from eastern part of the does not recognize the us, but it started set to see that all these people are gone. and i mean, the majority, i think will not go back to do your training or 2 boxes. sure, i know they, they, they will stay, you know? so this is maybe the whole idea because you know, colon and has some aspirations for the western box of ukraine. that will be poland stays at the dc, was that so i think you can will not exist anymore. and maybe a few years or maybe sooner we don't know. well, brian, that you know, this is something you and i have talked about from the very beginning. i think

after everything is said and done, there will be some country called ukraine, but it's certainly not going to be what it was in 1991, 2014 or 2023. brian. absolutely, and i think this continues with the theme of who is be the, the biggest victim here and who is creating and driving all of this from 2014 the onward. the us reshape to praying in to a battering ram to be used against russia and provoke this more deliberately, the think tank documents talked about deliberately provoking russia to extend it over, extend it, and that we see these terrible consequences playing out in ukraine for the ukranian people, we also see the european economy taking a hit because of this, this the sanctions and then the united states itself, uh,

essentially isolating itself on the global stage and sabotaging for all of these advantages that it's held economically financially. for decades. of all of this tells us who is, who is the real threats to the collective west. it is the united states that it's board policy. it is not in russia, and it is not china beyond that. and as far as the fates of ukraine, it's still very hard to tell. i think there, there could be some residence remains of what you used to be ukraine. but i think for russia is going to continue pushing they, they obviously have the advantage. they have no reason to stop the west has not given them a reason stop. so right now, i think it's still hard to tell, but what will remain is, is going to be a very small, quote, alexandra, whatever does remain after everything is said and done, it will be d militarized. let me repeat that, it will be d, militarize. ok. russia is not going to allow nato to, to do the crane project 2 point now they will not allow on outset,

also cells and burg. last week you let the cat out of the bag. it was all about nato expansion. i mean, it's really quite incredible. you know, somebody has on the internet, a montage of 3 minutes. so, you know, it's not about a lot about nato and then, well, of course, it's all about nato. so at least the, the, you know, they've drawn the curtain back on that it's all about destroying russia. okay. but is that what people really want? okay. i don't think so. i know, actually what i am here and what i read here in the area is not the same as what the shape of your view. you'll be in union and nato. actually, i've tried to spread the trying to inspire people in order to have a dress. yeah, and the most important thing is not to bring your brain up to the level through the same level and bullet just like that. you mean you don't have to be, but the main goal here is to find the c drug should be able to the see trust. yes. and then get the rest of the influence interest. yeah,

this is the major message that they want to share. but yeah. what i would love to highlight is the fact that what you said, either immunization not only off your brain, but presently russia is the 1000000 rising nato itself. because nato countries are also losing their ability of their capacity even to protect it, to defend themselves from the forwarding threats. even days ago, there was on the news, something saying that the, even these are at least have to have germany to keep the entropy fast systems and the operational in order to allow that in case of an emergency, they would have the means to protect themselves. so this is one of the most important lessons after you get from here is the mealy zation from that going cell and losing the whole war on the golf link, that they are presently waging in trying to wage against russia. however, there is a good fortune from the russian side also, which is that what do you put in and all the gradually,

they are not going after the publication that they're receiving from the western side. because the west ones rush it the lose their minds. and finally, to get to bold on this coffee and they are work moderately and patiently waiting for the union and they took to, to the rising. so yeah, i think, you know, that's, it's a, it's been a huge question all during the complex, what was the, the most plan, the russian plan because, you know, historically they think of the red army is a steam roll are going across here, a pull that is not happened and it's a very different comp like than one would have expected sonya, you know, this militarization of here of i find it really interesting. first of all, i don't think voters want to pay for it, and i certainly don't think young men want to join up and fight russia. i just don't see it. i don't see with this younger generation at all. i there, they may be politicized, but not on this issue. sonya that are right. especially in the western countries like another lens, germany,

i don't think they want the price or even for europe itself to you know this. so this is, this is something was without, the leaves are plenty and you are the new new all the talk about it and you will not be, but i don't think it will get the ground. so how it, it will not happen. and at the reservation of, uh, i think it will happen to tomato a lot spark because as we speak about it all the time, you're is losing bethany and these goals, like it's the, it's the us, i always call euro economy from the us. but let's hope that this will change. so how, because, you know, you're is destroying itself and the weapons they have sent already the last one. i know it's crazy. so they run out of the weapons. also, you know, the north stream pipeline is gone. so germany is a big mess of the country or uh, more than that is, this is another for, they are the most uh, russia,

hastings country, uh, the each. uh, because we have the billing and the 817 uh this austin. so they still try, you know, still try saying because the induced uh pro is to the f sixteens. but the people, the majority of the people, they don't, they don't believe unit anymore. if they even released it, i don't think so, so i don't see it happening and i see it happening that the so the terrorist that's most likely will happen in the near future. you know, brian one doesn't, you know you're a former us marine. i don't know what a part of the us means you were in, but i mean it will, although you last year and a half. i mean in, during the 1st summer of the conflict, the cleaning army was decimated ends. and after that, they started rebuilding a nato, a army with ukrainian soldiers, but nato equipment from all the various countries. they haven't equate the acquitted themselves very well. and particularly the american ones very expensive,

but particularly useless weapons here. and this is a great the embarrassment that's why i don't think they want to send f sixteens and stuff like that because they'll drop out of the sky like flies. so they, they really acquitted themselves very badly. very expensive junk brian. the absolutely there's, there's so many factors that go into this, the fact that they sent a whole variety of equipments to craig. they didn't just send one type of vince chief lighting vehicle or armored personnel, carrier, or tank or artillery. they send everything everyone has ever developed since the end of world war 2, they send all of that to ukraine. each one of those pieces of equipment requires different types of training, maintenance, or some, in some cases, different types of ammunition and fuel. they have to coordinate all of this a mix, already complicated logistics, even more complicated, whole reason why militaries are standardized as to avoid this problem. and then you

have the problem with training p. i don't think people appreciate how much training goes into creating even a basic infantry man or tank or, or tillery meant that the take up up to half a year to do. and they tried to not just transform con squared a few pretty and con squared ups. and to a basic infantry or, or other basic roles, they tried to create entire brigades with $4000.00 men each and created into a combined arms force. this is something that would take years. they tried to do this in 2 or 3 months, and the, the results are very predictable, absolute catastrophe on the battlefield. then. yes, a lot of destroyed nato equipment. okay, alexander, i'll give you the last word. what's the next step? alexander and lisbon, the next step will be trying to get more radical speeches in order to bring down the russian, which will be finally unlikely to happen in this minute. i'm not going to say that it isn't possible that this highly unlikely,

but what i see is that they don't have a weight back. they can't actually, they don't typically measure it here in your opinion of the nato. so they really try to continue support providing support to bring as long as they're on the economy's end, or the 1st systems allow other water and then wait until they some kind of point where they can reach out to russia and finally celebrate any kind of peace deal, but i'm a new without alexander what it will be. i've already predicted it, they'll say, well the we, we stop the russians before they got into paris. we won. okay. they'll have some kind of crack pop, not line like that. anyway, folks, we have run out of time, i want to thank my guessing band called lisbon and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our to see you next time. remember across

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