of the city, we have to realize that the car by question, at least at the stage and for a very long time, do you not have a diplomatic solution, mcginnis? we have offered our armenian friends many times over 15 years to compromise. you need to find a compromise while it is still possible for our part, we will make appropriate decisions within the framework of the un security council . we could guarantee the security of the election court or between armenia and kind of box. we could guarantee the safety of armenians living in this territory, but no, they rejected our offers. and it's not the only time we've seen negotiation fails when we talk about the situation between russia and ukraine at the moment. of course, there were many, he's over negotiations between the 2 policies, with other policies involved, and that led to the meet agreements, but russia said back it may bleed up to it. so called special military operation. in february 2022, the queen was holding up its side. the fact that those ation it repeatedly accused

ukraine of a breaching the ceasefire. and also said that nature was asking of acting as an aggressor by the fact that it wouldn't say no to ukraine's request to become a member of its bulk. as for the music agreements in general, i told emmanuel micron and enjoy america that we would not be able to implement them like this is guess and think about doing this to mask agreements were killed long before our recognition of the people's republic slipped on boss as a matter of fact, the recognition of these republics was dictated precisely by the fact that the leadership of the key of the leadership of ukraine had already begun to publicly declare that they were not going to implement uminski agreements. they're not going to comply. what else can you say in the top, officials have already publicly stated this. what to expect next? should we wait for the continuation of this mockery of people, this genocide, of almost 4000000 people who live in these territories?

it's unbearable to look at this. president, preaching of co saying he felt that he had no other choice of than to launch that so called special ministry operation. so that many thanks to come again with those the sounds that sounds that correspond to charlotte dimansky and thank you for joining us. hey, on all t international, as always, one of the licensed updates that can be found on our website all to come up with more, the top, the the hello, and welcome across the top, where all things are considered. i'm futile about the mazda attack on israel from

guys, a highlight still again, the plight, the palestinians, living under conditions of blockade. i'm us calls themselves resisting biters while of course, washington calls them terrace. also will they be you adopt the brain in lieu of diminishing american aid the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. she's an award winning journalist, and commentator. and in budapest we brought the drawer to send me well, he's a pod cast, read the goggles which can be bought a new to the locals. right? gentleman cross lock rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. all right, we'll start out with george in budapest. what we have a price is again in the palestine, israel conflict. it's a moving story. a mouse is had a major incursion. something we've never seen before. mass of missile attacks up to

5000 projectiles according to some of the 1st 20 minutes. and then the landing corrosion using some of the parachutes and whatnot. so it's very innovative here. and of course we know that how is real is going to respond to this over well, mainly. but you know, what is the antecedents to this particular crisis george he goes for from am i thinking is, is this growing normalization of a is really relations with eric countries, which of course these are countries are, are forgetting the palestinian cause and it looks like to me, at least out of a mazda is reminding them that they're still there. there's a lot of other issues in play right here, but i think that is the most important issue at hand right now. george. i agree with you a piece that i think good. the, the most immediate cause of this, um, explosion is this. um, bite, no ministration attempt to expand the abraham records and to normalize relations

between israel to saudi arabia. going together with some sort of an american security guarantee for saudi arabia. um, i mean obviously it's also the 50 around of us. 3 of the young people are attack rooms exactly to the day. but i think it's also again a, a deeper issue which is that hasn't been any kind of a movement towards a middle ages. b settlement, i mean, they used to be proposals put forward by western pilots about every president, the remembering the days of, you know, the mix of administration of the largest line. and then of course, it all culminated in the oslo accords, which is now 30 years ago as a facility is basically no one has done anything. i mean it's, and basically they, they've known this problem that this problem is festering, there's been no solution. you know, that i think is best for all of us that said many, many years ago,

each new generation of palestinian states, these really is more than the previous generation. i think is that the, the idea that you can just simply continue like this without any negotiated without any kind of a peace conference without any beast plan was always ridiculous. and it culminated in this upside statement issued by the, by the national security council saying this was an unprovoked attack associated with the power a little bit with a new grant on pro, out of the blue. you know, just, you know, that everyone was living peacefully and suddenly this isn't unprovoked, the tax was costing, was provoked, and this the publication. so the use of doing absolutely nothing. and this allowing the power steering is essentially to be crushed out of existence. yeah. well, i think the only the only parallel we go back to your, the phrase fun provoked is that the west didn't recognize the self determination of the people have done best is they don't recognize the self determination, right? so the palestinians, martin here in the region here, what are your,

what's your initial reaction? because i guess we all hope and pray that this will be over as destructive and bloody is it's going to be and it will be, hopefully will be soon go ahead. martin, you know, i think the feeling is from the, from those are ups is um, this was company. this was an eligible. it was just a question of when you know and general dimensions, no one in the west to do the city is i think if you look at what the west did or didn't do in the last couple of years, which was condemn the acceleration of israel's human rights abuses, the land grabs itself nations. dehumanization of the palestinians. we know which is really picked up in the last 2 or 3 years. i mean, just this year alone. i think the records been broken for the number of listing is, have been murdered. we saw nothing, a total from the union in if any student we saw a tacit encouragement from the a you and from the west and in general, to,

to go ahead with what you're doing, do whatever you need to do to resolve this problem. you know, because you're never going to receive the human rights opprobrium from us lasting lee is like nothing, you know, who took the really, what it was was and, and run with it. and now you know, the consequences of periphery. i don't think this is ever going to end. i'm you talk about the ending in the, in a couple of days time. israel will create some sort of security and go so it will move in. and in a big way, i know, go back to the 2005 period of taken total minutes, you occupation. but that's not the end. that's the beginning. well, you know what i mean to may have these, you know, it's moving the grass as they liked the syndic, we say here in that, and that's what the phase that i'm looking at. george did as we speak here, there are reports that has below his injured the fray, if only in a minor way with some missile attacks on, in northern israel. and is this a possibility where this is what her mouth was looking for? i mean, you know, to break,

bring in other actors and to get to just basically make a point here just with martin was saying here is that and you were saying is that this has been pestering and we have all of our all through is gentleman is it we have a radically right wing government and in israel, go ahead george. i think it's quite possible that that was the plan to get to as ball a involved as what happened back in the 2006 iran obviously which is strongly in his bow as kona they arrive as being very unhappy about this. um, us saw the uh plan and particularly the whole idea of saudi arabia recognizing israel. i mean, that would be a huge transformation in the, in the middle east. and particularly as iran is just taking the staff of normalizing relations with saudi arabia and saudi arabia having just been invited into breaks or this is so i was literally rainy is

a really will be very happy with this. so i think it's quite likely that some his ball i would get involved and um yeah, i think this will be quite a, a, a big, serious conflict. and again, i mean it's, it's, it's comes down to, you know, you, you just call and go on doing what is there it was doing, it, it was, it's not sustainable. i'm trying to be in a common sense. this is not a sustainable solution. just the idea of what we can go on doing it because we've got the americans in our going up and we can just treat you any way we want, you know, just, you know, essentially just wipe you up the face of the a. and that's it. and you know, i'm no, no, no one's gonna say blue about it so, so i think this is a, a, you know, a total failure of a weston phone policy and you can get good. well it towards a very, very serious conflict in martin. it's also a failure of error, foreign policy. ok. i mean we have all of us look at it. all 3 of us are h yes. or the era bleeders of always talked about the, the power city an issue,

but not many of them done. they have done very much about it, let's be honest. okay. and this is again from us at the risk of alienating the, of people in the gaza strip. let's remember israel's retribution is going to be over whelming, but they're, they're up to the, the come us leadership is appealing to the airport world. i mean, you know, maybe your leaders can be bought off. ok, but don't forget about us. and i think that's deployed right here. mazda is reminding saudi arabia of its past commitments to the palestinian cons. the say on many level, it's not just some countries, even from israel's perspective. let me know. i just wrote an article about a week ago talking about the increased. i'm so that is what i was enjoying at the moment. you can forget about that now. i mean how to israel. so it's high tech, almost around the world when you got people lining up to say, well, it didn't even protect you because the other thing is, you said, how is it gonna protect us against people got much worse today than nittany who's

calling it their pearl harbor? okay, and we know what the united states did as a reaction to pro are ready to go. but anyhow, somebody that proposed to a statement yesterday on so on such a day and saying it's now well, well, you know, hello waco, it, it's, i think the people has been will for 75 years. you know, and it is just just bigoted mindset and you can't really blame me when you look at wisdom media, you know, and a wisdom need his own. my own prime minister didn't even lose a heart based in supporting these running these full the rights to defend themselves. amazing up to be amazing. i mean, what do you find is people have what if there was, there has been this news blackout. you know, i'm a journalist, so i've got a, a big in a, a, some, an extra grinding against this, i suppose. but there's news blackout for something wrong about what's been going on . and by the time, you know, just yesterday, christina and before and cnn did an interview with the other stand in a deputy investor longer. and the for 6 or 7 minute interview or just you just

refuse to acknowledge the occupation. it just was, it was, it was something she wasn't gonna be drawing on, you know, so i think it's a failure on the, on these roads sides. but when you talk about the arab said yeah, definitely. um, i think this is pulse. so all of it, but it's part of the story of why the palestinians, there's somethings broken, somebody snapped, i'm like what snapped one of the top of that frustration is they've seen how they've been completely abandoned by the western world. but even the arrow pub, this now all lining up the rest of my talks about the race but a starter in western values and its burrell, chronicles of george. any hope? obviously, this speaks to happen here. go ahead. well, exactly, and it's very interesting. i mean, what motto saying about the response in europe and how that has uh, changed just in the pasta. you know, so it's 840 years. i mean, they used to be a distinct distinction between the way that your bands approaches of at least and

the way the americans, the americans. we are always not on the, you know, whole, obviously, pro is ropes. but the europeans always have a very distinctive approach, which is, hey there, this is accounts, they go to the sides of this complex. we need to approach this as there are 2 sides . and it has to be a resolution that satisfies both sides. and hopefully in person the, to the, to, you know, the 2 state solution which low preceded, always low or mean that was in, back in my, in the 19 seventy's. i mean, that was a european embrace that, i mean, i was the, be the global consensus, the 2 state solution which the europeans at that time, the soviet union, and much of the reverse of what i said to state. now the europeans are just essentially just pirating everything that the americans are saying. and then the good when they done is what they've done is that i mean we look at jared questionnaire and you know, the engineer and the neighborhood backwards, the palestinians. tony exist so they don't exist. it's not

a problem martin. yeah. don't you over just about the point before you cut me off last time is that when we look at the boards, you know, see every, i'm cold part of it. you know, the, every time cool is all the final insult for the palestinians, you know, who have grown up generations of grown up. excepting that we have the right supportive narrative from a lot of these are countries, particularly in the gulf states, but do they do any singular? what do you do? anything you know? and um, do you ever have a college this, this final acknowledgment, the not only are we not going to do anything, but we're going to line up and do deals with israel, you know, to support ourselves or run, but to political agendas and sell the palestinians down the road, you know, like they are just kind of redundant livestock or some sort of uh they, this is and this is way how we've gotten to this point here. okay. they refused to be forgotten. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break will continue our discussion on some real estate regarding the

the, the welcome at the cross side for all things are considered non 0 bell. this is a home addition to remind you. we're discussing some relatives the all right, let's go back to the martin america cache. you were talking about the abraham boards continue. and so i think the big question though, and i think this has been raised by itself here a bit, which was just about to sign the advent of coaches. do they have anything left and is there any credibility to it now with the culture does this leads this um,

escalation just below the bottom. cool down the water under countries like where, okay, where i am now, you know, i have to look at this whole relationship with israel from a completely new perspective. so i think in that respects to disaster for is probably you touch briefly before on as one of the big question now, just briefly is for israel is not whether it contain the, the, uh, uh, an uprising within because the question military is kind of sustain and contained that and also deal with an attack from southern lebanon, or from a syria. whereas we will have a, it's huge amounts of minutes installation with very sophisticated rockets. okay. well, have been in that day just to further your point here. if there's an ongoing conflict, particularly if a hezbollah in lebanon is drawn into a, there's no arab leader in the world is going to be considering abraham records and, and normalizing relations with, with israel. right. and you know, george, there seems to, there's all to our lives and this has been this obsession with the,

with the israel and, and, and how to frame and characterize the palestinian um element of batch which has been so totally skewed. it's almost i'm recognized like before we couldn't be in here. i was telling you i was watching a number of pod caps the, the lack of knowledge about this complex, his biggest reward, mary george, business. i because the cost of the media have done um, nothing at all to inform the public about the origins of the state of israel. well, how did this come about? how to get to eat a lot about us. thing is when, when are they come from? and so that's why the is the sum and substance of the media coverage is that what is where it is under attack? the terrorists are attacking israel. israel has a right to defend itself. we must help the sovereign states defend itself. so yeah, that's it. you know, so the, the,

the palestinians are just to be wiped away from this equation. now is very interesting. what about what mouth in san about this is really intelligence? i mean, it's always been the floor of the chime for all of this be perpetrated on the, on the public that israel has, the spine has been just the world. you know, we, we remember the young people how that were able to mobilize and attack history of them young people, what, what a surprise. and is there a new nothing, it's all about the list and, and the game, you know, there's a buyer and they is very urgent. i is everywhere. you know, they know exactly what's going on, that completely cold by surprise, by this attack. so where is this uh, a going to the don't just one of those is where it doesn't have that a, what israel has is the united states and it's going to and it's very good to go to the united states to wage was on his behalf. is that it hasn't been particularly good at waging was, i mean it was on able to defeat the is buying 2006 doesn't really want anything

since like the 1967. well, but, but it's very good at persuading the well that it's of either lipp at that and the, and that, because does it get us to like, you know, the question, ukraine, which is, why is the west of ours been obsessing, obsessing in this way, sending everything a little bit hardwick to ukraine, while i didn't even notice this, you know, which supposedly in america got so much about the middle is right in front of them . and they were just simply give a call, you know, what, why or what we thought was all about the printers. this area of the world where, you know, which america has traditional interest. i knew nothing, it's all about. but they are absolutely obsessed with what's going on in your grade, which is, which is the area of american national interest. yeah. but yeah, it will only until 15 minutes ago. right. that, well that, that brings up that martin the question that we, we have this situation in the us congress. so i don't want to go through the

minutia here. but, um, what's most important here is it questioning your aid to ukraine, is all legitimate question. now that happened to this speaker bite in the us congress, which is welcome because the, the ability to debate it publicly is finally caught up with public opinion because public opinion has been going in one direction steadily for the last, the 7 or 8 months now. and so you have the european union saying, you know, we will continue to do whatever it takes, but then we're burrell our favorite theories thing, but we can do it with the help to you, ms. perkins. okay, so this has been generated by washington and backed by london and brussels is catching up with the fact that, well, maybe the, the, the commitment from london and washington isn't um, uh, politically viable. i mean, i, the, the, the actors that are involved in this are gung ho totally in for it. but i mean, at a certain point, public opinion does matter, particularly in our

a ship social media. go ahead. what are the public opinion which obsessed over this concept? of occupation in ukraine, and people just lined up, you know, whether it was western intelligence agencies or politicians or media. you know, people just went just rented on relentlessly from day one about this idea of russian occupation. and yet those same people don't see alice time this row and you know, there's a, there's a little strange, but let's move logic that. but going back to this a bundle which has been thrown out, you know, it will probably come back in and i think um button will probably push it if i don't think it'll be 24 been it may be upfront. oh oh, you know what? the white house is bushing up. i what a one time, 100000000000. that's what they're pushing right now. back to the open. yes. they're, they're there. they're going for the big, big of the jackpot here because they want to take it out of the election cycle. keep going. oh, okay. but then, you know, and that,

that just kind of kind of brings us neatly to, you know, the government chief burrell and the, you said, you know what, we need the americans we were coming from. but basically pretty useless without america. you know, we've got this great deal with them, they pay for everything going to, but i think, oh, this is starting to fall apart because even if it's one shot a 100000000000, that's nowhere near enough to, to really take it by fall. and the 1st 100000000 didn't go far. we go so, you know, but, but i think the voices of dissent in america are all starting to bring that fist on the table and talk about some kind of accountability to this money. because so far, you don't know what i mean. noticing at all, how do you do that? how do you, how do you take the taxpayers money from america and send it to the most corrupt country in the world, and just sit by the same uh, we don't need or thing all things, but we're paying the all so, you know, take time and who knows what we might find. you know, now it's just, i general, is this whole history of impunity. george, you mean it is real? a gets $3000000000.00 and could $78.00 every single year in the united states. so

that's a, that's the well i that it's with egypt as of it's, it's like, i mean, as the age wherever they get each one, i think that's the same. i think i give the same amount to each. but that's a very interesting issue because of cause and this was raised by steve bannon environment of significant figured because he's very close to trump. and he said, well, look at this or, i mean he's what goes a strong support a result. well, where does this money go? i mean we've, we've been giving them all this a for years and years and years, and they just called fly for there. and where is that? what happened to their intelligence? what happens, or they're incredibly powerful on pauses. and where did this money go? and then, you know the band them being bannon, raise the question, you know, baby lives in the off. it was the 1st leader in the world who recognized biden's election victory in 2020, and also, or trumpet. don't say him with, you know, the abraham a goal, it's, you know, moving the embassy to jerusalem. recognizing the annexation of the going high,

stopping the day to the power stands and offer all that lives in the will recognize them by them immediately. you know, that's something that's what that's playing in the mind in a truck. you know, again is, goes, bro, is around them. so that's, that's also the case by golfing. so that's a problem for a if it's where it is rarely, you know, when you got people who were, you can count on as being your sub and advocates. i going to stop asking whether this money go. i mean, what have you been doing all this time? you know, you people, you know, you're not able to deal with this direct side. bunch of, uh, you know, you know, brigands, um, so somebody. yeah. but that means that even though there's a lot of citizens, cynicism in the, in this politics here in the middle east, martin, let me mention, you know, this is a bill for him. okay. investigations into them probably drops will probably get this particular sufficient re warm through a and they'll give you going to be able to kill a whole lot of palestinians. i mean, that's exactly what and yes,

it was all about it, but you could look at it that way. you could say, yeah, this is exactly what it has been dreaming of, you know, and i think he will usher in a much, much more stringent to tell the turning, read me, you know, f o, any remaining traits as opposed to liberties of course, can be what job because you can justify that the same one that we're in a while now. so you know, we're going to just, are there any just out there who are going to critical to me, you know, we'll get rid of those. you know, we thought how many dissenting voices no, no opposing now to know where it was are now old personal liberties will be crunched down, bought george made the interesting point. you said, well, if, if, if anyone you can't trust and us and yahoo even when, when he did so much for trump, you know, and i think perhaps the people of as well would be asking the same question. can we trust national have now? because you know, this great lead to you are the one who oversees the intelligence community. you know, you didn't see this coming into journalism generalist inmate. so let's just hold a whole us a little bit and wait for a few days and a few weeks for some leaks to come out of the intelligence community. when people,

columbia, a conspiracy theorist will say, perhaps nothing the uh who did know it was coming. well, i didn't say you did, but i always lead a new there. hey, i mean, i in the spring. but george, what do you think about that? well, that's a possibility. we'll have to see um, how let any yahoo respond to him if he does indeed sees us as an opportunity. great . now we can just simply a workshop. people, you know, all the, you know, on this, this is, this is the excuse we've been looking for. you know, then we'll say he knew about this. um, i mean at least it, it would give him a sort of try to do it as a little better than the alternative, but he's just so, so totally incompetent. right in the dark. yeah. let's remember people that netanyahu was in both pearl harbor, united states, and destroy hiroshima and nagasaki was based on what we were attacked and process. well, that's right, and i think look, i mean mostly would accept if the on knew that this attack was coming. i mean,

and basically he was waiting for it as a way to get it into world war 2. so it could well be that the, nothing yahoo just sat on these hands. but it was also the alternative which is there. they are incompetent. you know, a problem, they weren't going to then back in 73. they were called flatfooted. you know, that was celebrating on young people. and, you know, not realizing this, the, so the attack and again, the, the incompetence of the americans over the americans though it had been, they know the, something like this was coming as well. and they further they left the 11 on with their tail between their legs. so, all right, gentlemen, we'll see where that goes. we'll probably be talking about it when we can be next week. that's all the time we have. what i think make us america in budapest and where they are be worth for watching us here at our dc and next time. remember across stipends, the

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