[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the below in welcome across stock, where all things are considered. i'm peter live else the mazda attack on israel from guys, a highlight still again, the plight, the palestinians,

living under conditions of blockade amongst calls themselves resisting biters while of course, washington caused them terrace. also will they be you adopt the brain in lieu of diminishing american aid the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. she's an award winning journalist and commentator. and in budapest we brought the door to send me, well, he's a pod cast, read the goggle, which can be bought on youtube and locals. right? gentleman cross lock rules and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. all right, we'll start out with george in budapest. what we have a price is again in the palestine, israel conflict. it's a moving story from us is had

a major incursion. something we've never seen before. massive missile attacks up to 5000 projectiles according to some of the 1st 20 minutes. and then the landing cruise and using a parish you, it's and whatnot. so it's very innovative here. and of course we know that how is real is going to respond to this over well, mainly. but you know, what is the antecedents to this particular crisis, george, because for my thinking is, is this growing normalization of is really relations with air of countries which of course, these are countries are, are forgetting the palestinian cause and it looks like to me at least the comp, mazda is reminding them that they're still there. there's a lot of other issues in play right here, but i think that is the most important issue at hand right now. george. i agree with you piece that, i think good. the, the most immediate cause of this, um, explosion is this, um,

by the ministration attempt to expand the abraham records and to normalize relations between israel to saudi arabia. going together with some sort of an american security guarantee for saudi arabia. so, i mean, obviously it's also the 50 around of us. 3 of the young people are attack rooms exactly to the day. but i think it's also again a, a deeper issue which is that hasn't been any kind of a movement towards a middle ages. b settlement, i mean, they used to be proposals put forward by western pilots about every president, the remembering the days of the, the mix of administration of the largest line. and then of course, it all culminated in the oslo accords, which is now 30 years ago as a facility is basically no one has done anything. i mean it's, and basically they, they've known this problem that this problem is festering, there's been no solution. you know, the thing is by sure, alyssa had said many,

many years ago, each new generation of palestinian states, these really is more than the previous generation that i think is that the, the idea that you can just simply continue like this without any negotiate without any kind of a peace conference, or have any peace plan was always ridiculous. and they culminated in this upside statement issued by the, by the national security council saying this was an unprovoked attack associated with the power a little bit with the new great, all grow out of the blue. you know, just, you know, that everyone was living peacefully and suddenly this is unprovoked attacks, but of course it was provoked. and this, the propagation study is of doing absolutely nothing. and this allowing the power steering is essentially to be, you know, a crushed out of existence. yeah. well, i think the only the only parallel where you go back to your, the phrase unprovoked is that the west didn't recognize the self determination of the people have done best is they don't recognize the self determination, right? so the palestinians, martin here in the region here, what are your, what's your initial reaction?

because i guess we all hope and pray that this will be over as destructive and bloody is it's going to be and it will be, hopefully will be soon go ahead. my, you know, i think the feeling is from little from those arabs is, um, this was coming. this was inevitable. it was just a question of when you know and general dimensions, no one in the west to do the city is i think if you look at what the west did or didn't do in the last couple of years, which was condemn the acceleration of israel's human rights abuses, the land grabs the assassinations. dehumanization of the palestinians. we know which is really picked up in the last 2 or 3 years. i mean, just this year alone. i think the records been broken for the number of listing is been murdered. we saw nothing. a total from europe in union, if anything, we saw a tacit encouragement from the you and from the west and in general, to, to go ahead what you're doing,

do whatever you need to do to resolve this problem. you know, because you're never going to receive the human rights opprobrium from us listing lee is like missing, you know, who took the really what it was was and, and run with it. and now you know, the consequences of periphery. i don't think this is ever going to end. i'm you talk about the ending in the, in a couple of days time, israel, who will create some sort of security and go so it will move in, in a, in a big way. i know. go back to the 2005 through a, they've taken total minutes. she occupation, but that's not the end. that's the beginning. well, you know what? i mean, i may have these, you know, it's moving the grass as they like to cynically say here in that, and that's what the phase that i'm looking at. george, it is, as we speak here, there are reports that has below his injured the fray. if only in a minor way with some missile attacks on, in northern israel. and is this a possibility where this is what her mouth was looking for? i mean, you know,

to britain bring in other actors and to chat to just basically make a point here just with martin was saying here is that and you were saying is that this has been pestering and we have all the all through is gentlemen, is it we have a radically right wing government in, in israel. go ahead george. i think it's quite possible that that was the plan to get to as ball a involved as what happened back in the 2006 iran obviously which is strongly in his well as kona they arrive as being very unhappy about this. um, us saw the uh plan and particularly the whole idea of saudi arabia recognizing israel. i mean, that would be a huge transformation in the, in the middle east. and particularly as iran was just taking the staff of normalizing relations with them. so the ravia and saudi arabia having just been invited into breaks or this is so i was literally rainy is

a really will be very happy with this. so i think it's quite likely that his ball i would get involved and the yeah, i think this will be quite a, a, a big, the serious conflict. and again, i mean it's, it's, it's comes down to, you know, you, you just call and go on doing what is there it was doing, it, it was, it's not sustainable. i was trying to be in this common sense. this is not a sustainable solution. just the idea of what we can go on doing it because we built the americans in our going up and we can just treat you any way we want, you know, just, you know, essentially just white be off the face of the a. and that's it. you know, and no, no, no one's going to say blue about it. so, so i think this is a, a, you know, a total failure of a west and foreign policy. i am good. well, it was a very, very serious conflict in martin. it's also a failure of error, foreign policy. ok. i mean we have all of us look at all 3 of us are h yes. or the arrow bleeders of always talked about the the palestinian issue. been

so many of them done. they have done very much about it, let's be honest. okay. and this is again from us at the risk of alienating the people in the gaza strip. let's remember, israel's retribution is going to be over whelming, but they're there with the the come us leadership is appealing to the era world. i mean, you know, maybe your leader is going to be bought off. ok, but don't forget about us. and i think that's deployed right here, much just reminding saudi arabia of its past commitments to the palestinian cons. i was afraid on many levels, not just some countries, even from israel's perspective. let me know. i just wrote an article about a week ago talking about the increased alms, so that is what i was enjoying at the moment. you can forget about that. no, i mean how to israel, so it's fine. check the arms around the world when you got people lining up to say, well, it didn't even protect you because the other thing is, you said, how is it gonna protect us against people got much more today than nittany who's

calling it their pearl harbor. okay. and but, you know, with united states be this reaction to pro are ready to go with any else. and by that propose to statement yesterday on sort of such a day and saying it's now well, well, you know, hello waco, i think the people has been a little for 75 years, you know, and it is just a bigoted mindset and you can't really blame me, when you look at wisdom media, you know, and i'm a wisdom need his own, my own prime minister didn't even lose the homepage in supporting these, running these full, the rights to defend themselves. amazing up to be amazing. i mean, what do you find these people have? what if there was, there has been this news blackout. i, you know, i'm a journalist, so i've got a, a big in a, a, some, an extra grinding against this i suppose. but there's news blackout for something wrong about what's been going on. and by the time, you know, just yesterday, christina and before and cnn did an interview with the a post and in a deputy investor in london. and the for 6 or 7 minute interview or just to just

refuse to acknowledge the occupation. it just was, it was, it was something she wasn't gonna be drawing on, you know? so i think it's a failure on these roads sides. but when you talk about the apps, they definitely, um, i think this is pulse all of it, but it's part of the story of why the palestinians, if somethings broken, somebody snapped, i'm like, what snapped, why don't part of that frustration is they've seen how they've been completely abandoned by the western world. but even the arrow pub, this now all lining up the western world talks about with the raised a's daughter in western values and burrell chronicles of georgia. the in the box. you see the stinks to happen here. go ahead. well, exactly, and it's very interesting, i mean, what motto saying about the response in europe and how that has uh, changed just in the pasta. you know, so it's 840 years. i mean, they used to be a distinct distinction between the way that you were bins approaches of at least and the way the americans, the americans, we always not on the, you know, whole,

obviously pro, is route. but the europeans always have a very distinctive approach, which is, hey there, this is accounts, they go to the sides of this conflict. we need to approach this as there are 2 sides. and it has to be a resolution that satisfies both sides. and hopefully in person the, to the, to, you know, the 2 state solution which low preceded was low or mean that was in, back in my, in the 19 seventy's. i mean, that was a europeans embrace that. i mean, i was the, the, the global consensus, the 2 state solution which the europeans and at that time, the soviet union and much of the reverse of what else to do site. now the europeans are just essentially just pirating everything that the americans are saying. and then there's, there's a lot of the but when they've done is what they've done is that when we look at jared questionnaire and you know, the engineer and the neighborhood backwards, the palestinians, tony exist so they don't exist. it's not a problem. martin. yeah. don't you over just about the point before you couple of

last time is that when we look at the boards, you know, everyone goals are part of it. you know, the, every time cool is of the final insult for the palestinians. you know, who have grown up generations of grown up, excepting that we have the right supportive narrative from a lot of these are countries, particularly the goal stage, but do they do any sick today? what do you do? anything you know? and um, do you ever have a call? it's august this, this final acknowledgement, the not only are we not going to do anything, but we're going to line up and do deals with as well. you know, to support ourselves or run, but to political agendas and sell the palestinians down the road. you know, like they are just kind of redundant livestock or some sort of, uh they, they, this is an admissions way. how we've gotten to this point here. okay. they refused to be forgotten, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we need to go to

a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate regarding the audience that they are expertise very harshly against these that i, they, they also type of a huge federal campaign because they have

a strategy both. let's say they want to game as you money to the me least. so if i is for them data sites on and the big one is a medical the the government across stock were all things are considered non duty. well, this is a home addition to remind you, we're discussing some relatives the let's go back to learning, merit catch. you were talking about the abraham awards continue. so i think the big question though, and i think has been raised by itself here a bit,

which was just about to sign the advent of coaches. do they have anything left? and is there any credibility until now with the a but i'm a go to, does this late this um, escalation just below the bottom. cool down the water under countries like where, okay, where i am now, you know, i have to look at this whole relationship with israel from a completely new perspective. so i think in that respect to that as of to, for is really you touched briefly before on as one of the big question now, just briefly is for israel is not whether it contain the, the, uh, uh, an uprising within because of the question, the military is kind of sustained and contained that i'm also deal with an attack from southern lebanon, or from a syria where it has really have a, it's huge amounts of minutes installation with very sophisticated rockets. ok, well, have been in that it just to further your point here if there is an ongoing conflict, particularly if a hezbollah in lebanon is drawn into

a there's no arab leader in the world is going to be considering abraham records and, and normalizing relations with, with israel by no judge there seems to there's the all to our lives and this has been this obsession with, with the israel and, and, and how to frame and characterize the palestinian um element of batch, which has been so totally skewed. it's almost i'm recognized like before we couldn't be in here. i was telling you i was watching a number of pod caps the, the lack of knowledge about hope. this comes like this biggest roaring mary george business. i because it goes to the media, have done um, nothing at all to inform the public about the origins of the state of israel. what, how did this come about? how to get to eat a lot about a scene is when, when they come from. and so that's why the is the sum and substance of the media coverage is a, what is right,

is under attack. the terrorists are attacking israel. israel has a right to defend us, so we must help the sovereign states defend itself. so yeah, that's it. you know, so the, the, the palestinians are just to be wiped away from this equation. now is very interesting. what about what mouth and said about this is really intelligence. i mean, it's always been the floor of the chime for all of this be perpetrated on the, on the public that israel has the spine, is they tell me the world. um, you know, we, we remember the young people how that were able to mobilize and attack history and them young people. what, what a surprise and is what i knew nothing. it's all about the list and, and the game, you know, the environment is very, which i, i, is everywhere. you know, they know exactly what's going on that are completely caught by surprise of by this the attack. so where is this uh, of, of all into the don't just purpose is where it doesn't have that a, what israel has is the united states and it's going to and he's very good at

goading the united states to wage was on his behalf. is that it hasn't been particularly good at waging was, i mean it was on able to defeat the is buying 2006. it doesn't really want anything since like the 1967. well, but, but it's very good at persuading the world that it's either limited and the cost. does it get us to like, you know, the question, ukraine, which is, why is the west of ours been obsessing, obsessing in this way, sending everything all the hardware to ukraine. while i didn't even notice this, you know, which supposedly in america's got so much about them, at least right in front of them. and they were just simply give a call, you know, what, why or what we thought was all about the printers. this area of the world where, you know, which america has traditional interest, i knew nothing, it's all about. but they are absolutely obsessed with what's going on in your brain, which is, which is the area of american national interest. yeah. but yeah,

it will only until, 15 minutes ago. right. that, well that, that brings up the question that we, we have this situation in the us congress. so i don't want to go to the minutia here. but um, what's most important here is it questioning an aide to ukraine, is a general question now that happened to this speaker by in the us congress, which is welcomed because the, the ability to debate it publicly is finally caught up with public opinion because public opinion has been going in one direction steadily for the last. it'd be 7 or 8 months now. and so you have the european union and saying, you know, we will continue to do whatever it takes. but then we're burrell our favorite terry thing. but we can do with the help to you, ms. perkins. i guess everything is this has been generated by washington and backed by london and brussels is catching up with the fact that, well, maybe the me, the commitment from london and washington isn't um, uh, politically viable. i mean,

i, the, the, the actors that are involved in this are gung ho we are totally in for it. but i mean, at a certain point, public opinion does matter, particularly in our a jump social media go ahead, was public opinion which obsess over this concept of occupation. and you credit the people just lined up, you know, whether it was western intelligence agencies or on additions or media. you know, people just went just rented on relentlessly from day one about this idea of russian occupation. and yet those same people don't see alice time this row and you know, there's a, there's a strange but what somebody logic that, but going back to this a bundle which has been thrown out, you know, it will probably come back in and i think um, but it will probably push it if i don't think it'll be 24. been it may be a front. oh oh, you know what the white house is? bushing up. i what a one time. 100000000000. that's what they're pushing right now. like when they

tell the yes they're, they're, they're to, they're going for the big, big the jackpot here because they want to take it out of the election cycle. people that know, okay, but then you know, and that, that just kind of kind of brings us neatly to, you know, to government chief berella and you saying, you know what, we need the americans we were coming from. but basically pray uses were that america, you know, we've got this great deal with them. they pay for everything in a, but i think, oh, this is starting to fall apart because even if it's one shot a 100000000000, that's nowhere near enough to to really take it very full. and the 1st 100000000000 didn't go far either. so, you know, but, but i think the voices of dissent in america are all starting to bring that fist on the table and talk about some kind of accountability to this money. because thing for you don't know what a teen noticing at all. how do you do that? how do you, how do you take taxpayer's money from america a sunday to the most corrupt country in the world? and just sit back and say, we don't need or thing all the things, but with pain, they also, you know, take time. and who knows what we might find. you know,

now it's just, i general, is this whole history of impunity. george mean it is real. it gets $3000000000.00 and could $78.00 every single year in the united states. so that's a, that's the well, i think it's with egypt as of it's, it's like, i mean, i think age while i think each one, i think that's the same. i think i give the same amount to each, but that's a very interesting issue because of course, and this was raised by steve band. environment is a significant figure because he's very close to trump. and he said, well, look at this, or, i mean he's a cause a strong support, a result. well, where does this money go? i mean we've, we've been giving them all this a for years and years and years. and they just called flatfooted there. and where is that, what happened to their intelligence? what happens, or they're incredibly powerful armed forces and where did this money go? and then, you know, the band them being bannon, the raise, the question, you know,

baby lives in the off it was the 1st leader in the world who recognized biden's election victory in 2020 and also all trumpet done. say him with, you know, the abraham, the goal is, you know, moving the embassy to jerusalem, recognizing the annexation of the going high, stopping the day to the power stands. and our role that lives in the out will recognize the biden, immediately, you know, that's something that's what that's playing in the mind. you know, try it. you know, again is, goes pro, is relevance. all sorts of tickets by golfing. so that's a problem for a if it's where it israel, you know, been, you've got people who were, you can count on as being your sub and advocates. i going to stop asking whether there's money, you know, i mean, what have you been doing all this time? you know, you people, you know, you're not able to deal with this direct side. bunch of, you know, you know, brigands, um, so somebody. yeah. but that means that even there's a lot of citizens, cynicism in the, in this politics here in the middle east. martin, let me know this is a bill for him. okay. investigations until probably drops. we'll probably get this

particular sufficient re warm through a and they'll give you going to be able to kill a whole lot of palestinians. i mean, that's exactly what and yes, it was all about it, but you could look at it that way. you could say, yeah, this is exactly what it has been dreaming of, you know, and i think he will usher in a much, much more stringent to tell the turn and we, you know, f o, any remaining traits as opposed to liberties of course, can be what tough because you can justify that was and when the war now. so, you know, we're going to just, are there any just out there who are going to critical to me, you know, we'll get rid of those, you know, we thought and when he dissenting voices, no, no opposing now to know where it was. and now all personal liberties will be crunched down, bought george made the interesting point and he said, well if, if, if he, when you comp trust and us and yahoo even when, when he did so much for trump, you know, and i think perhaps the people of as well would be asking the same question, can we trust national have now because you know, this great lead to you are the one who oversees the intelligence community. you know,

you didn't see this coming into journalism generalist inmate. so let's just hold a whole us a little bit and wait for a few days and a few weeks for some leaks to come out of the intelligence community. when people call me a conspiracy theorist will say, perhaps nothing, you know, who did know it was coming. well, i didn't say you did, but i always, lia, knew there hang on the screen. right. george, what do you think about that? well, that's a possibility. we'll have to see um how let and the response of, if he does indeed sees us as an opportunity. great. now we can just simply a rid of the people, you know, all the, you know, on this, this is it, this is the excuse. we've been looking for, you know, then we'll say, and he knew about this. um, i mean at least it, it would give him a sort to try to do it as a little better than the alternative. but he's just so, so totally incompetent in the dark. yeah. let's remember he, netanyahu and goats,

pearl harbor there to states and destroy hiroshima and nagasaki was based on what we were attacked and process. well, that's right. and i think look, i mean mostly would accept if the on knew that this attack was coming. i mean, and basically he was waiting for it as a way to getting into world war 2. so it could well be that the nothing. yeah. who just sat on these hands, but just to be it was because is also the alternative which is where they are incompetent. you know, a problem. they were incompetent back in 73. they were called flatfooted. you know, that was celebrating on young people. and, you know, not realizing this, the, certainly at the time and again, and they said the, the incompetence of the americans over the americans though it had been, they know the, something like this was coming as well. and they further they left the 11 on with their tail between their legs. so, all right, gentlemen, we'll see where that goes. we'll probably be talking about it when we can be next week. that's all the time we have. what i think make us america in budapest and

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