quasi us calls themselves resisting biters while of course washington caused some chairs. also will they be you would be afraid in lieu of the administrative american aid the i'm action or nancy and welcome back to going underground rule. got single around the world from the you a, how would you characterize the richest and most powerful country in the world? the united states is it defined by forever, was anti china and russia propaganda, homelessness, and poverty. every time u. s. presidential candidate thinks all of the above and hopes next year, as you, as the election could pave the way for change. jacob horn bug, a president and founder, the future of freedom foundation, is running in the 2024 u. s. election for the libertarian party. a party that promotes civil liberties,

non interventionism, unless if capitalism, he joins me for today's episode from goldens in virginia to talk about why he thinks the united states needs of those of libertarianism. check it back so much for coming on. we had our f k junior's campaign manager dentist because in a join recently. and i suppose given recent events, just if we kick off about how u. s. foreign policy impacts on the lives at home on ordinary americans. will your campaign be able to communicate that connection and how do you see the connection between this uh, amazing foreign policy being celebrated on cable network news every night over there. and uh, what it means in terms of everyday lives in the united states. it was america's foreign policy is impacted american life and dramatic ways. the, the noted civil rights leader, martin luther king pointed out

a long time ago during one of the us government's and from us interventions that, that were operating under the, the greatest purveyor of violence in the world. and i don't think anybody can deny that when it comes to prevent violence, the us government is clearly number one. i don't know how many people they've killed over the last 50 years, but it certainly has to a number in the millions. and the idea has always been that as long as these tests are taking place over there, it would not impact society here at home that people can go about their daily lives . that clearly is not the case. we live in a society, this violence, written math shootings and i have absolutely no doubt. it's because of this culture of violence from the greatest purveyor of violence in the world. that is the motivating, that the driving force behind this impact not to mention the destruction of our rights and liberties here at home with things like the usa patriot that say

sponsored assassinations, including of american citizens, secret surveillance on the american people. all of this has been an absolute disaster and so far as american society and freedom as is concerned. and do you think that something new now does bipartisanship between left and right? i mean my, into the king junior associated, of course, with the left when he made his famous vietnam speech in new york in that this is making less of a capitalism. and a better view describes the united states has some kind of a new approach of soviet union in terms of how it benefits a few, all the god corporations who are basically subsidized by the us state as well. i long argue that there's really no fundamental difference between republicans or democrats. they all believe on the fundamental premises of america's welfare state, which is a socialist system. they also believe in what i believe is the worst mistake americans ever made. and that's the conversion of our federal government from

a limited government republic, which was our founding governmental system to a national security state. this is the worst governmental system, whether it's adopted by the united states, russia, china cube, or north korea pakistan, egypt. because this is a type of governmental system that we use, i'm nip it in ours. so while people and both sides, both parties sometimes decry the forever morse. not very often because they, they really stand jointly in favor of most of them inside this. you drove by the hand of the afghanistan, one albeit has got the ukraine one. that's right. but that was inevitable. anyway, i mean, it was clear that the taliban were ultimately going to win that war. and it was just a matter of which president was going to have to suffer the indignity of being, having us troops forced out during his term of office. so he didn't really end it. it got ended for him. he clearly believes and for an intervention, isn't just as about all the democrats and all the republicans do this. is that this

one of the distinguishing characteristics of, of libertarians, we oppose these 4 and interventions, cruise wars, and so forth. but what's different from my campaign is that i recognize that the root cause of the forever worth is the national security state. as long as you have a national security state, you're going to have these forever, wars crises, interventions, crews, and so forth. because that's their, that's their fuel, they keeps them going and keeps their budget going. and their power going is a julia is on. she said that to, to me on this, on this program and the future of freedom foundation is highlighted. julian hassan just being detained in london. it has highlighted this case. if you are president, you drop the grand jury against him and plans to assassinate him as we understand in london, that'd be the end of it in the spanish case, because the assassination has been a technique with you written about. and we know that there were plans to

assassinate julian assigned you in london. you combine the us and u. k. authorities tried to a well state statute. assassination has been in the armament of us foreign policy since 1947 when the national security states came into existence. it isn't omnipotent power. and julie massage and edward snowden provide a perfect demonstration of what has happened to this country. because that both of those individuals should be celebrated as heroes for disclosing the dark side secrets of the national security state. but because they disclose the dark side secrets, they are considered traitors, bad people. and so any president worth his salt would immediately issue a pardon, which any president has the power to do to both of those individuals on the 1st day in office and, and i absolutely recommend to the justice department that all charges be dismissed

. it is absolutely disgraceful the way both of these here roy, individuals have been treated. why be anything? no one talks about guantanamo torture camp in. i'll get by b goober anymore. what no one mentions it in the us media. i don't know. maybe they don't want to face the reality of what's happened to this country. i mean, look, we started out as a country that opposed indefinite detention. that's what the right to speedy trial is all about in the bill of rights. the right to counsel the right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment. the right of trial by jury. all of these rights have been denigrated, destroyed there at guantanamo bay it's. it's been an absolute disgrace. but i think the problem with the mainstream media is they've been largely co opted by the national security state, the pentagon, the c i a, b, and i say. and so if they criticizes, their perceived is criticizing america, and they don't want to be seen is criticized in america. well,

what they fail to understand is that we're talking about 2 separate entities here. the federal government including the national security establishment, and america is a country. i mean, our bill of rights demonstrates is it protects our country from the federal government. and i think the problem with the mainstream media is that they've got a lot of fear they, they don't want to confront and face what has happened to our country in guantanamo bay is a perfect demonstration of what has happened to our country. how successful that circled mainstream, major ed demonizing, the immigrant amongst the catastrophe on your southern border as the real problem. not the military industrial complex. no, they're always looking for escaped goats because america is in a deep morass now. and the popular scape goat has always been illegal immigrants because they can't defend themselves. and so i have always stood for the rights of people across the borders. you grew up on the board,

arrive. i grew up on the border on a farm on the rio grande. we hired illegal immigrants. they were the hardest working people i've ever seen. i live almost half my life there. i know border life . there is a police state down there. it's because of the emigration system and there's death and there's suffering. death in the backs of a tractor. trailer is your dying of thirst and on the desert or in the rio grande, from drowning or from a bullet from a border patrol agent and option the rio root cause of this crisis is the socialist system of immigration. central planning emigration central planning has caused what the economists liberate on these is called plan k us, what better term to use down there. and so i have long argued for 46. it's amazing is this time critics of what you're saying would say no, they're trying to cope with this influx. it will be usually those people forget that how foreign policy contributes to the crisis. and they'd say,

but you'll just empty the whole of that central and that in america, if you uh, and the border and drop them all down and just, and the whole of customs and border protection. well, that's just pure nonsense because free markets work we, we have the greatest geographic area for open borders here in the united states between the states and not everyone suddenly decides to move to california or to new york or to florida or to texas the free market is the or great regulator, but you're absolutely right. u. s. foreign policy in terms of what they've done in latin america with sanctions in crews and interventions has contributed mightily to this massive influx into the united states. and so you've got democrats and republicans celebrating these sanctions in crews and interventions while as the same time lamenting the consequences of their own policies and then forcing people back into the very conditions of death and suffering that they have contributed to

with their sanctions, cruise and interventions front run, the trump says he's a capitalist. why do you think he doesn't understand? the boy that should be open? so that's one of the hypocrisy. use of, of republicans is that they talk like they favor free markets and free enterprise, except when it comes to the border, which is the epitome open borders is the epitome of free markets, free moments of people, freedom of association, economic liberty, and is the only solution to this crisis, there is no other solution except up completely open borders. abolish the border control. abolish immigration service of all is all restrictions, but you've got republicans treating free enterprise while doing the others the other side. but the democrats are no different. the democrats, like kennedy say, oh, they loved the poor, needy, and disadvantage, and yet they also favored this cruel and brutal system that, that abuses and causes death among the poorest people in the world. that's shameful

. well, they'll say it comes from an idealistic kayak in vision of your libertarianism, of course. but either way, you'll be targeted as being uh, against uh, the prevailing idea on o. u. s. media, nato nation media, which is you seem to forget that the enemy is not the military industrial complex. the enemy is russia, and the enemy is china. how successful do you think they have being the authorities and deletes in the united states and convincing american ordinary people that their enemy is uh, is not at home their enemy. as far away of all the propaganda, indoctrination has been very effective. i mean, as soon as they name a new official enemy, a large mass of the american people immediately adopt added their new if it's one to me and a national security state always needs a new official enemy to keep people scared and riled up and so forth. but our

founding fathers and the framers of our constitution understood that the greatest threat to our freedom and wellbeing lies with our very own government. that's the purpose of the bill of rights to protect us from the federal government. and that is the greatest threat and, and so, but what they do is they create these new monsters like china and wrecked and syrian afghanistan to tell a bio saddam hussein. and the list goes on and on and on. they've always got somebody in the hopper to keep people afraid and round up so that they will continue to support the ever increasing budget for the what president eisenhower, who also warned about this edifice. and as fairwell address, when he said this is a grave threat, this military industrial complex to the rights and liberties and democratic processes of the american people. they need these official enemies to get people distracted away from the real threat. and that's our own federal government. dragging home by girls stop use that more from the twenty's ready for you as the

material presidential candidates after this break the audience that they are very harshly against. these are the they, they all today. it's a huge company because they have a strategy of let's say they want to gain as you money to the me least. so if i is for them very to cite on and the big one is a medical the welcome back to going undergrad necessarily. it was the twenty's ready for you as a libertarian presidential candidate, and president and founder of the future of freedom foundation, jacob, calling back i as jacob, you mentioned

r. s k. earlier i understand that joe biden is not allowed the federal funds for uh, payment for the security detail given you don't like federal funds or anything. maybe you agree with how on that one. but obviously it's dangerous to run for president. a quick sideboard to what we're talking about a you think that the federal government was ever the federal government's influence is or design is of the assassination of a sitting president john f. kennedy. and that, that could happen again. then l b j was involved in the kennedy assassination. yeah, i've actually, i've actually written 2 more than 2 books. the 2 principal books on the kennedy assassination ones called a kennedy autopsy and the other is called an encounter with evil. the abraham is a breeder story and there is no question, but that once the assassination records review board came out in the 19 ninety's

that the military conduct a fraudulent autopsy on the president's body. and that evidence prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. and then my latest book shows that the c, i a took possession of the same as a brute or film on the weekend of the assassination and produced an altered, fraudulent copy of it. well as, as i long argued, there is no interest in explanation for a fraudulent autopsy and a fraudulent fill. those 2 events definitely established beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the, the standard and the criminal case that this was a national security state routine change operation. no different from the regime change operation in there in iran, in 53, guatemala, 54 later in chile and 73. the principle is when there is a threat to national security, the national security establishment is going to deal with that, whether it's through assassination or some other vehicle. and so i admire robert kennedy junior for pointing out he has the courage to point out that the c i a,

was involved in this, it befuddled as may why he gives the pentagon a pass. because clearly the pentagon was, it was involved in a to with their fraudulent autopsy, but give him credit. and what, what i don't understand is why he wants the federal government to protect him. the federal government, through the national security establishment that included elements of the secret service were responsible for the killing of his uncle. i think he's better off with private security guards and then perhaps his father's, he himself, inmates and joe biden continues the cover a by not releasing those papers. so we have an election in which your running and trump looks that's perhaps to be jailed. who knows, running his campaign like eugene debs in the twenty's from prison. we are of k junior threatened with this as i'm what do your family think about you running again? where is this time, where's nothing, you know, they're not, they're not worried about me. they're not worried about the libertarian party, the,

the live return party, be those videos, your ideas have grown since the 1st time you run for the presidency in terms of how many more americans are now realizing that something is deeply arrived within the state. the state. oh, absolutely, there is no question that libertarian ideas have for, have of made their way through american society. it's totally different from what, let's say 20 years ago. and so i argue, and the return party that what we need to do is restore our original brand of a principal libertarianism. because that for me is a vote getter. that is a vote winner. when i ran 3 years ago, i lost the nomination, but i won 7 out of 9 primaries. and that showed me not because i'm any great guy because i'm not. it shows that people like this principal, the message, and we'll vote for it when given the opportunity. how it turns out it's area and is the united states give them the total support for the lensky inn in congress,

you'll have to remind me of how much money the public funds have been sent to calvin to his bank accounts. i don't know how many tens of millions it is, but there's a great book by a man named michael glenn and that he's professor of law at tufts university, a former council for the senate foreign relations committee. it's entitle, national security and double government and blancho spaces is that the enemy, that's in charge of the federal government is the national security establishment depending on the c, i, a and e, and a say. the other 3 branches are permitted to have the veneer of power, but the real power lies with this part of the federal government. and i believe he's right. and so i believe it's the pentagon, the c, i a that are running the show in ukraine and advise me just going along and following the orders will be at those on to buy them today. so as well go think on where those on the right village, joe biden is put us moving profiteering out of this. and of course many congressmen

and women do get the funds from re, um, the government's companies. and anthony, blinking, of course, is a full, the pentagon consulting a contract and well, you know, i don't know enough about that aspect of it, but i mean there's, let's face corruption and government is not a new phenomenon. and so, you know, we can focus on the corruption or we can focus on dismantling the legitimate apparatus of the government. they give rise to this corruption. if you get rid of the national security establishment and you put in a limited government, all of a sudden all the defense, so called defense contractors disappear, they're gone. and so there is therefore you have no more $10000.00 toilet seats and so forth because it's just not there anymore. so i think that's better to focus on then trying to get rid of the corruption and these government programs because i think that's never going to be fulfilled. it just comes as part of the deal. corruption does. you know, hillary clinton had

a picture unveiled in the state department and to the blinking over story. and the 1st thing in the weekend and started talking about was not just down and building. the pentagon was and the state of, of, and it was a usaid. how do you think us authorities of this way that the american public to believe that age and humanitarian aid is some type of christian charity? some something good when uh, according to you actually uh for an aide is uh, is, is appropriate in, in terms of its human destruction. that is an absolutely fascinating question. because you, you're absolutely right. people take this position that if the government is helping out some form retaining or here domestically helping out seniors with social security or medicare education grants, or food stamps that, that reflects the goodness, care and compassion of the american people. i was talking about for an a down, you know, the food stamps in a moment. okay. are in a while it's,

but it's all based on the same principle that if they're giving money that has been collected by the internal revenue service and given it to the resume and ukraine, for example, or some other form regime that, that reflects the good, caring compassion of the american people, that's nonsense, the internal revenue service that collects these taxes. there is nothing good carrying compassion about this agency. it is the most tyrannical agency in the history of this country is based on force. when the government's forcing people to go send their money to somebody else, especially some crooked corrupt form regina, that is those far away from good, caring, compassionate conduct, as you can find good, caring, compassionate kind of come from the willing heart of people who are donating their own money, not participating in the system where the iris is stealing their money and send it to dictators over an overseas lands. i mean, currently usa money going to outside or in syria or, or, or as you've written about penny shay and the julie,

i mean one can understand that's a bad idea. but if you start messing around with medicaid and medicare or say food stamps, i mean the from day one of your presidency, the 40000000 people would starve to death within the next day. that's the numbers of people on your food stamp snap program. you've got just stop it. that's pure nonsense. you saw the millionaire having is getting the food from federal aid right now tonight in the united. yeah. yeah. you'd still and what they're supposed to do is see this. this is, this is the insidious part of socialism and that's what these are. these are socialist programs. and that's the insidious part. one of the insidious parts and socialism is they in call take this mindset of helpless dependency among the recipients. like we live without the socialist program for more than a 100 years in this country. and people did well without them. what we've got to do is restore our faith in freedom and free markets of voluntary charity. you've got children, we've got grandchildren, you've got church groups, charitable groups,

charitable foundations. there is no question in my mind that if social security and medicare were abolished today, that there would immediately be the foundation for form or social security and medicare recipients popping up where people would donate and help those people out . yeah, but the only god that's the, all the gods of your country clearly favor the congressmen that there donated congressman him. congress limited, the donating to and the elite that so the libertarian body rails against, i don't wanna get to for those offical onto that. but obviously they believe that the, the fight is, is a broad, i given the levels of propaganda. how can the libertarian message get out to the american public? by, by hearing the principal and speaking the truth about what's going on. and, you know, there's a reason why to tell terry and dick traders try to shut people like us down because they know that sound ideas on liberal liberty principles. ideas have the ability to

sweep across the society and grab the hearts and minds of people and know totalitarian dictatorship can stand up against that phenomenon. so what we need to do is just continue at a hearing the principle we libertarians at to our principles finding his liberal carries instead of adopting the principles of republicans and democrats. and then that's what will generate this awakening in america. because that's how i discovered libertarian is a and, and if they can hack them, it happen to me, i'm just a regular person. it can happen to every, every body. and then we see dramatic radical change and a paradigm shift towards a much better, peaceful, harmonious, and free society. you see there is so, i mean, there are some, there are some of foreign policy. analysts who believe jo bye may go all the way to world war 3, and is the intent on being the states risking it in a much worse way than 9060 do it during the cuban missile crisis?

do you think that your libertarian ideas and those on people on the left, cornell west of course, is running. this seems to be a grand unity between left and right, and somebody within center that the most important issue facing the world right now, is this us war on russia through ukraine. and do you think there are going to be alliances that we would never have expected between libertarianism and you almost hated group socialists and others to be able to fight veto talents area in american states? i think is very possible. i mean, that's what happened during the vietnam, or you had people from the left and libertarians in some conservatives also, they were opposing the war. and i think you're absolutely right. except that i take issue with your, with your notion that this is by them, calling the shots again. i believe it's dependent on calling the shots,

but they are getting us increasingly close to nuclear war, just like they did back in 62. now we often blame the soviet union in cuba for installing those nuclear missiles. what we ignore in this is that the reason they installed those missiles was to protect against the pentagon and the ca, who were pressuring president kennedy to invade cuba. and so now you've got this same national security establishment new people that have vote this war by absorbing those worst off pack nations in violation of the promises that were made in extra billing moving toward the, the, the rushes, borders knowing full well what the response was going to be mean this really is a war between the united states and russia. they're using ukraine is a proxy. they're hoping to get re gene change in, in russia, that's always been their motif in foreign policy. and they're getting this ever closer to nuclear war because one missed that one mistake option. and all of a sudden nuclear new nuclear missiles are flying. and so this whole thing needs to

be reevaluated by the american people. we need to be thinking about where we started out as a country and how we got to where we are today, and what we need to get out of this morass. and that's what my campaign for president is all about. how to get our nation moving. in a better peaceful, more prosperous, harmonious direction, including with russia, including with china. this is precisely what president kennedy was doing in his famous piece speech at american university. when he said, we need to reevaluate the way we look at the soviet union in the communist world, we need to peacefully co exist even while competing at the same time. i think he was absolutely right. checking on becca, thank you. you're welcome. thank you. and that's over the show, remember where bringing you brand new episodes every sunday and monday, but until then keep in touch my role as i shall media if it's nonsense that in your country and i draw a gentle going underground tv on ramble dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground season

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