podcast, right? the goggles which can be bothered, youtube and locals. gentleman cross lock rooms. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, well, start out with george in budapest. what we have a price is uh again um, in the palestine israel conflict. it's a moving story from us is had a major incursion. something we've never seen before. massive missile attacks up to 5000 projectiles, according to some of the 1st 20 minutes. and then a landing cruise in using a parish you, it's and whatnot. so it's very innovative here. and of course we know what that, how is real is going to respond to this over whelming way. but you know, what is the antecedents to this particular crisis. george, because for my thinking is, is this growing normalization of a is really relations with eric countries, which of course, these are countries are, are for getting the palestinian cause,

and it looks like to me, at least, how come a mazda is reminding them that they're still there, there's a lot of other issues in play right here, but i think that is the most important issue at hand right now, george. i agree with you a piece that i think good the, the most the immediate cause of this, um, explosion is this. um, bite, no ministration attempt to expand the abraham accords and to normalize relations between israel to saudi arabia. going together with some sort of an american security guarantee for saudi arabia. i mean, obviously is also the 50 around of us. 3 of the young people are attack rooms exactly to the day. but i think it's also again a, a deeper issue which is that hasn't been any kind of a movement towards the middle east. the settlement, i mean they used to be proposals put forward by western pilots about every president, the remembering days of, you know,

the mix of administration of the rock, just blind. and then of course, it all culminated in the oslo accords, which is now 30 years ago as a facility is basically no one has done anything. i mean, it's in and basically they, they've known this problem that this problem is festering, there's been no solution. you know, the thing is pressure all, as i've said many, many years ago, each new generation of palestinian states, these really is more than the previous generation. i think is that the, the idea that you can just simply continue like this without any negotiated without any kind of a peace conference without any peace plan was always ridiculous. and it culminated in this upside statement issued by the, by the national security council saying this was an unprovoked attack associated with the paolo. but we can do great on pro, out of the blue, you know, just so you know that everyone was living peacefully and suddenly this is an unprovoked attack. but of course, it was provoked and this the publication. so the use of doing absolutely nothing.

and this allowing the power steering is essentially to be, you know, a crushed out of existence. yeah. well, i think the only the only parallel we go back to your, the phrase fun provoked is that the west didn't recognize the self determination of the people who've done best is they don't recognize the self determination. right? so the palestinians, martin here in the region here, what are your, what's your initial reaction? because i guess we all hope and pray that this will be over as destructive and bloody is it's going to be and it will be, hopefully will be soon go ahead. my, you know, i think the feeling is from little from those arabs is, um, this was coming. this wasn't eligible. it was just a question of when you know and general dimensions, no one in the west to do the study is i think if you look at what the west did, of didn't do in the last couple of years, which was condemn the acceleration of israel's human rights abuses, the land grabs the assassinations. dehumanization of the palestinians. we know

which is really picked up in the last 2 or 3 years. i mean, just this year alone. i think the records been broken for the number of listing is been murdered. we saw nothing. a total from europe in union. if any student we saw a tacit encouragement from the a you and from the west and in general, to, to go ahead what you're doing, do whatever you need to do to resolve this problem. you know, because you're never going to receive the human rights opprobrium from us listing lee is like missing, you know, who took the really what it was was and, and run with it. and now you know, the consequences of periphery. i don't think this is ever going to end. i'm you talk about the ending in the, in a couple of days time, israel, who will create some sort of security and go so it will move in, in a, in a big way. i know. go back to the 2005 through a, they've taken total minutes, occupation, but that's not the end. that's the beginning. well, you know what, i mean, i may have these, you know, it's blowing the grass as they like to cynically say here in that,

and that's the big and the phase that i'm looking at george as we speak here, there are reports that has below his injured the fray if only in a minor way with some missile attacks on, in northern israel. and is this a possibility where this is what her mouth was looking for? i mean, you know, to britain bringing other actors and to just basically make a point here just what martin was saying here is that and you were saying is that this has been pestering and we have all of our all through is gentlemen, is it we have a radically right wing government in, in israel, go ahead george. i think it's quite possible that that was the plan to get to as ball a involved as what happened back in the 2006 iran obviously which is the strongly in his well as kona they arrive as being very unhappy about this. um, us saw the uh plan and particularly the whole idea of saudi arabia

recognizing israel. i mean, that would be a huge transformation in the, in the middle east. and particularly as iran is just taking the staff of normalizing relations with saudi arabia and saudi arabia having just been invited into breaks or this is so i was literally rainy is a really will be very happy with this. so i think it's quite likely that his ball i would uh get involved and um the yeah, i think this will be quite a, a, a big, serious conflict. and again, i mean it's, it's, it's comes down to, you know, you, you just call and go on doing what is there it was doing, it, it was, it's not sustainable. i'm trying to be in this common sense. this is not a sustainable solution. just the idea of what we can go on doing it because we've got the americans in our going up and we can just treat you any way we want, you know, just, you know, essentially just white be off the face of the a. and that's it in on the no, no, no one's going to say blue about it so. so i think this is a, uh, you know,

a total failure of, uh, west and foreign policy. i am good. well, it was a very, very serious uh, conflict. martin. it's also a failure of error, foreign policy. ok. i mean we have all of us look at all 3 of us are h yes. or the error of leaders of always talked about the the palestinian issue. been so many of them done. they have done very much about it, let's be honest. okay. and this is again from us at the risk of alienating the people in the gaza strip. let's remember, israel's retribution is going to be over whelming, but they're, they're the come us leadership is appealing to the era world. i mean, you know, maybe your leader is going to be bought off. ok, but don't forget about us. and i think that's deployed right here. months is reminding saudi arabia of its past commitments to the palestinian cons. it was a failure on many levels, not just some countries. now,

even from israel's perspective, let me know. i just wrote an article about a week ago talking about the increased alms. so that is what i was enjoying at the moment. you can forget about that. no, i mean how to israel. so it's high tech arms around the world when you got people lining up to say, well, it didn't even protect you because the other thing is, you said, how's going to protect us against? people got much more today than you know, who's calling it of their pearl harbor. okay. and, but, you know, with united states did as a reaction to for a lot of the any else that might, that propose to statement yesterday on sort of such a day. and saying it's now, well, well, you know, hello waco, it's the people, it's been a little for 75 years. you know, and it is just bigoted mindset and you can't really blame me when you look at wisdom media, you know, and a wisdom need his own. my own prime minister didn't even lose the homepage in supporting these, running these full, the rights to defend themselves. amazing. up to be amazing. i mean, what do you find just people have what if there was,

there has been this news blackout. i, you know, i'm a journalist, so i've got a, a big in a, a, some, an extra grinding against this i suppose. but there's news blackout for something wrong about what's been going on. and by the time, you know, just yesterday, christina and before and cnn did an interview with the palestinian a deputy investor in london. and the for 6 or 7 minute interview or just to just refuse to acknowledge the occupation. it just was, it was something she wasn't gonna be drawing on, you know? so i think it's a failure on the, on these roads sides. but when you talk about the apps, they definitely play. i think this is pulse all of it, but it's part of the story of why the palestinians, there's something's broken, somebody snapped like what snapped, why don't part of that frustration is they've seen how they've been completely abandoned by the western world. but even the arrow pub, this now, all lining up the western world talks about with the raised a's daughter in western values. and that's burrell chronicles of george. in a box,

you see the stinks to happen here. go ahead. well, exactly, and it's very interesting. i mean, what motto saying about the response in europe and how that has uh, changed just in the pasta. you know, so it's 840 years. i mean, they used to be a distinct distinction between the way that your bins approaches of at least and the way the americans, the americans. we are always not on the, you know, a whole obviously pro is ropes, but the europeans always have a very distinctive approach. which is, hey there, this is accounts, they go to the sides of this conflict. we need to approach this as there are 2 sides. and it has to be a resolution that satisfies both sides. and hopefully in person the, to the, to, you know, the 2 state solution which low preceded was low or mean that was in, back in my, in the 19 seventy's. i mean, there was a european embrace that, i mean, i was the, the, the global consensus, the 2 state solution which the europeans at that time,

the soviet union and much of the reverse of what else to do site. now the europeans are just essentially just pirating everything that the americans are saying. and then there's, there's a lot of the but when they've done is what they've done is that when we look at jared questionnaire and you know, the engineer and the neighborhood backwards, the palestinians, tony exist so they don't exist. it's not a problem. martin. yeah. don't you over just about the point before you couple of last time is that when we look at the boards, you know, everyone goals are part of it. you know, the, every time cool is all the final insult for the palestinians. you know, who have grown up generations of grown up, excepting that we have the right supportive narrative from a lot of these are countries, particularly the goal stage, but do they do any singular? what do you do anything you know? and um, do you ever have a call? it's august this, this final acknowledgement, the not only are we not going to do anything, but we're going to line up and do deals with it as well. you know, to support ourselves or run, but to political agendas and sell the palestinians down the road. you know,

like they are just kind of redundant livestock or some sort of, uh they, they, this is, and this is way how we've gotten to this point here. okay. they refused to be forgotten, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we need to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate without the audience that they, they are very harshly against these that i, they, they also have a huge company because they have a strategy both. let's say they want to gain as you money to the me least. so if i is for them very to say to them and the big one is

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let's go back to learning marrakech you were talking about the abraham reports continue. 5 so i think the big question though, and i think has been raised by so a bit, which was just about to sign the advent of coaches. do they have anything left? and is there any credibility to now where they are? but i'm across here. does this latest escalation just below the bottom cool to of the water under countries like morocco where i am now, you know, i have to look at this whole relationship with israel from a completely new perspective. so i think in that respects to dissolves to for is real, but you touch briefly before on as one of the big question now just briefly is for israel is not whether it contain the, the, uh, uh, an uprising within because the question military is kind of sustained and contained not, and also deal with an attack from southern lebanon, or from

a syria where it has really have a it's huge amounts of minutes installation with very sophisticated rockets. ok, well, have been and that's it. just to further your point here. if there is an ongoing conflict, particularly if a has blog in lebanon is drawn into a, there's no arab leader in the world is going to be considering abraham guards and, and normalizing relations with, with israel, by no judge. there seems to there's all to our lives and this has been this obsession with, with the israel and, and, and how to frame and characterize the palestinian um element of batch which has been so totally skewed. it's almost i'm recognized like before we couldn't be in here. i was telling you i was watching a number of pod caps the. the lack of knowledge about this conflict has biggest roaring mary george business. i because it goes to the media, have done um, nothing at all to inform the public about the origins of the state of israel. well,

how did this come about? how you know, you know, all about a scene is when, when they come from. and so that's why the is the sum and substance of the media coverage is what is right, is under attack. the terrorists are attacking israel. israel has a right to defend as so we must help the sovereign states defend itself. so yeah, that's it. you know, so the, the, the palestinians are just to be wiped away from this equation. now is very interesting. what about what math and said about this is really intelligence. i mean it's, it's always been the floor of the chime for all of this be perpetrated on the, on the public that israel has the spine, is they tell me the world. um, you know, we, we remember the young people how that were able to mobilize and attack history and them young people. what, what a surprise and is what i knew. nothing is all about was and uh, and, and the game,

you know, there's a buyer and they is very, which of, i is everywhere. you know, they know exactly what's going on that are completely caused by surprise by this attack. so where is this the of all into the don't just purpose is there, it doesn't have that a, what israel has is the united states and it's going up and it's very good to go to the united states to wage was on its behalf. is that it hasn't been particularly good and waging was, i mean it was on able to defeat the is buying 2006. it doesn't really want anything since like the 1967. well, but, but it's very good at persuading the world that it's either unlimited and the cost does it get us to like, you know, the question, ukraine, which is, why is the west of ours been obsessing, obsessing in this way, sending everything all the hardware to ukraine, while i didn't even notice this, you know, which supposedly in america's got so much about them, at least right in front of them. and they were just simply give a call, you know,

what, why or what we thought was all about the printers. this area of the world where, you know, which america has traditional interest, i knew nothing. it's all about that they are absolutely obsessed with what's going on in your right. which is, which is the area of american national interest. yeah. but yeah, it will only until, 15 minutes ago. right. that, well that, that brings up the question that we, we have this situation in the us congress. so i don't want to go to the minutia here. but um, what's most important here is it questioning an aide to ukraine, is the general question now that happened to this speaker? bite it in the us congress which is welcomed because the, the ability to debate it publicly is finally caught up with public opinion because public opinion has been going in one direction steadily for the last. it'd be 7 or 8 months now. and so you have the european union saying, you know, we will continue to do whatever it takes, but then we're burrell our favorite terry thing,

but we can do with the help to you, ms. perkins. okay, so it would make us if, if this has been generated by washington and backed by london and brussels is catching up with the fact that, well, maybe the, the, the commitment from london and washington isn't um, uh, politically viable. i mean, i, the, the, the actors that are involved in this are gung ho is totally in for it. but i mean, at a certain point, public opinion does matter. particularly in our a jump social media go ahead, was public opinion which obsess over this concept of occupation. and you credit the people just lined up, you know, whether it was western intelligence agencies or politicians or media. you know, people just went just rented on a relentlessly from day one about this idea of russian occupation. and yet those same people don't see alice time this row. and you know, there's a, there's a strange but got some have logic that. but going back to this a bundle which has been thrown out, you know, it will probably come back in a,

i think um, but i'm more appropriate. push it if i don't think it'll be 24 been it may be upfront. oh, you know what? the white house is bushing up. i what a one time, 100000000000. that's what they're pushing right now. that's what they tell the. yes they're, they're, they're to, they're going for the big, big the jackpot here because they want to take it out of the election cycle. people that know, okay, but then you know, and that, that just kind of kind of brings us neatly to, you know, to government chief berella and you said, you know what, we need the americans we were coming from. but basically pray uses were that america, you know, we've got this great deal with them. they pay for everything in a, but i think, oh, this is starting to fall apart because even if it's one shot a 100000000000, that's nowhere near enough to to really take it very full. and the 1st 100000000000 didn't go far. go so, you know, but, but i think the voices of dissent in america are all starting to bring their fist on the table and talk about some kind of accountability to this money. because

thing for you don't know what i mean. noticing at all, how do you do that? how do you, how do you take taxpayer's money from america and send it to the most corrupt country in the world? and just sit back and say, we don't need or thing all the things, but with pain. the also, you know, take time and who knows what we might find. you know, now it's just, i general, is this whole history of impunity. george mean, it is real. it again, gets $3000000000.00 and could $78.00 every single year in the united states. and that's a, that's the well, i think it's with egypt as of it's, it's like, i mean, i think age while i think it each one. i think that's the same. i think i give the same amount to each. but that's a very interesting issue because of cause, and this was raised by steve band environment is a significant figure because he's very close to trump. and he said, well, look at this, or, i mean he's, of course, a strong support a result. well, where does this money go? i mean we, we've been giving them all this a for years and years and years. and they just called flatfoot

a very and where is that? what happened to their intelligence? what happens, or they're incredibly powerful armed forces. and where did this money go? and then, you know, the band them being bannon, the raise the question, you know, baby lives in the off. it was the 1st believe there in the world who recognized biden's election victory in 2020 and also all trumpet done. say him with, you know, the abraham a goal is, you know, moving the embassy to jerusalem, recognizing the annexation of the going high, stopping the day to the power stands. and our role that lives in the out will recognize the biden, immediately, you know, that's something that's what that's playing in the mind in a truck. you know, again, is those pro is randoms all sorts of the case by golfing. so that's a problem for a, if it's where it israel, you know, been, you've got people who were, you can count on as being your sub and advocate. i going to stop asking whether this money, you know, i mean, what have you been doing all this time?

you know, you people, you know, you're not able to deal with this direct side. bunch of, you know, you know, brigands, um, so somebody. yeah. but that means that even there's a lot of sooner. cynicism in the, in this politics here in the middle east. martin, let me know this is a bill for him. okay. explain investigations until probably drops. we'll probably get this particular sufficient room warm through a and they'll get you going to be able to kill a whole lot of palestinians. i mean, that's exactly what and yes, it was all about because you could look at it that way. you could say, yeah, this is exactly what it has been dreaming of, you know, and i think he will usher in a much, much more stringent to tell it to me, you know, f o, any remaining traits as opposed to liberties. of course can be what tough because you can justify the whole now. so, you know, we're going to just, are there any just out there who are going to critical of making a will get rid of those? you know, we thought and when he dissenting voices, no, no, opposing now to no one was there. now old personal liberties will be crunched down bought. george made the interesting point. and you said, well, if, if,

if anyone you comp trust and us and yahoo, even when, when he did so much for trump, you know, and i think perhaps the people of as well would be asking the same question. can we trust national have now because you know, this great lead to you are the one who oversees the intelligence community. you know, you didn't see this coming into journalism generalist inmate. so let's just hold a whole us a little bit and wait for a few days. and a few weeks for some leaks to come out of the intelligence community. when people call me a conspiracy theorist will say, perhaps nothing, you know, who did know it was coming. well, i didn't say you did, but i was leading you there. hey, i'm in the spring right. george. what do you think about that? well, that's a possibility. we'll have to see um, how in that in the uh, who are responsive if he does indeed sees us as an opportunity. great. now we can just simply a rid of the people, you know, all the, you know, on this, this is it, this is the excuse we've been looking for, you know, then we'll say,

and he knew about this. um, i mean at least it, it would give him a sort to try to do it as a little better than the alternative. but he's just so, so totally incompetent the doors. yeah. let's remember he, netanyahu and goats, pearl harbor, united states, and destroy hiroshima and nagasaki. was based on what we were attacked and process . well, that's right, and i think look, i mean mostly would accept if the on knew that this attack was coming. i mean, and basically he was waiting for it as a way to getting into world war 2. so it could well be that the nothing, yeah. who just sat on these hands well disappeared. it was because there's also the alternative, which is there. they are incompetent, you know, a problem. they were incompetent back in 73. they were called flatfooted. you know, that was celebrating on young people and you know, no realizing this the, so we have time and again, and they said the, the incompetence of the americans over the americans though it had been, they know the, something like this was coming when they found that they left the 11 on with their

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only welcome to worlds a part for here is the, is really posting and conflicts tend to be the most irreconcilable discord in international relations. but now this green title is being claimed by that when you're printing, which unlike the middle is to is try, it hasn't. if you've seen any meaningful mediation efforts, which one is harder to resolve? at this point, hope to discuss that i'm now joined by gabby subordinate senior research here at the jerusalem institute for strategy and security. this is important is great to talk to thank you very much for your time. now, before you became a worst cooler, i know that you served as an infantry officer for the israeli army. and he took part in both lebanon or worse, which some members of the international community, a condemned as a illegal or as wars of aggression. and i wonder what was it like for you on

a personal basis to partake in conflicts that others described as the or barrick? well, you know, it means that we are always described as doing illegal activities. it doesn't matter if we do anything using both. uh, was, were, seems to be friends was, and we had to respond to savannah tx of federalists from the northern borders. this from devon on monday with that i'm not the only tool was because i pacific, oh same really fun in baton, a position which was a 3rd one. so level known as being the 4 years instability plans and that's a continuously, it was a rushing, the northern population will be sent in from time to time. we have we. busy we have and we had to react. it's not only about what others say, i think it's also about the so called international because the un general assembly conduct.