president, type keep losing people out here, the the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . when i'm off launch this operations against israel, the west of world, as usual, declared, it was an unprovoked attack. this is not surprising. as with the conflict and you claim the west refuses to accept that he is responsible for his client states destructive an illegal behavior, the cross walk in palestine. i'm joined by my guess, ramsey by rude in seattle. he's

a palestinian officer and journalist and so then we have mohammed mirandi, he's a professor at the university of the rent and in rome, we cross through romano roberto. she is an author and managing editor of the palestine chronicle. all right, cross talk roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate ramsey, i'm going to go to you and seattle 1st because it's a god awful hour there. i really appreciate, appreciate you joining us here. i'm sorry you've been watching the coverage of the complex as starting on saturday. and then it was an unprovoked attack. apparently just came right out of the blue, you know, just a bolt out of having here. and it is so painful, you know, as everyone knows that been covering incessantly the ukraine conflict and we have the same rhetoric unprovoked attack. but saying this about palestine. i mean, we got to go back 70 years if you want us talk about unprovoked go ahead, ramsey a. absolutely so. so even i'm going to jump right into it and say that forget about what percent he has. think speed about this just for a minute. to try to understand this to promote, i mean,

international law says that you own is power. the united nation says the goal that is under siege pretty much everyone around the world in re country around the world . the united nations is that israel steps in violation of the owners international laws and united nations resolutions. it has a civil norris, but neither for the sense that you'll find us to be alive, nor for the for, for the fact that the city has all the most basic and meaningful of pain medicine of freedom of movement to mary to survive. and it takes place day after day after break, if there's anything in the world that bolt, this is it. so how to use this term in good cautions, and how do they get away with it on friday, the mainstream media is so bizarre,

these days does not get to spend space for us doing is to find these say, maybe we have a different narrative or a different political discourse, maybe the last of our children do matter. maybe lots of or people not as maybe just maybe isn't. oh, is this a part time colonial state that should be held accountable under international law? and yet it's, it's not so yes is very much per bolt. and that should be what the conversation is as well. that was good to professor mirandi. that would, if they did do exactly what ramsey is, is proposing that would mean they have a conscience, but they don't have a conscience here. and i'm sure it was a, it didn't go a missed all 3 of you. we had the arch neil con nikki haley running for the republican nomination for president, and she said on national television, finish them, finish them. but professor that's, that's

a call for genocide and it went, nobody said anything. it just went. it will water off the back of a duck. go ahead and turn around a, a quite a few. quite a few people have been speaking about genocide in the last 34 days. it's quite amazing. it's not just as riley officials and it's rarely public figures. it's western officials and western politicians and western public figures that are saying give them how you mean this truck get rid of them destroy if you are, we hope never to hear about gaza again after a few days and that sort of thing. and i think that symbolizes the fact that is a symbol of, of western civilization and where it stands right now, israel and my, you represents best western civilization today in acts of israel represent the acts of western governments and western politically leads. i'm not

speaking about the ordinary people on the streets in london or new york that are struggling to get by i'm speaking about those leads and have positions of power and influence and the media and academia in business and in government. they are extraordinarily racist. they are, they are the 2 enemies of human rights and human dignity by saying this was unprovoked. they know they are lying. they know that for a 75 years, the palace sending people have been provoked. 24 hours a day. we see almost daily desks in the westbank by as riley is usually teenagers. it is rarely, regime goes into an account, shows a few people comes back, nothing happens and it's not reported in the media. settlers go and attack

children, burn them alive, beat up adult speed up, teenagers, kill a few here in their and it's not reported in the western media and it's becoming, it has become a lot worse. in fact, ever since the new netanyahu regime is come to power, yet the situation has become unbearable. and the attacks and on palestinians have increased. so no one in this part of the world is filled by the narrative. and i think in other parts of the world as well, the global so no one really takes the western media seriously anymore. the what the influence of the western media is in the west. yeah. used to be that the western media had gemini over the glow. and now i would say it has hit germany over the west, and there is alternative media, but that is, i think,

kept in check. well we're, we're trying to turn the page and then with a guess like this we are reminded on one of the interesting things is that we had the, the, the, the prime minister of israel saying to the palestinians. and guys, i get out of gaza. the hold that thought and then you showed the airport intel, of even people are all leaving. yeah. well they can leave. okay. but it's, it's not explained to western audiences, but the people and gods are in are in prison. they can't leave and there. but again, in west to me, it just about they have to we go where go head and room. absolutely. uh, you know, the context is completely missing from every account in western media these days. and nobody is mentioning the fact that garza yvonne's or her medic seat and has been under a hermetic fit for 16 years. a few days before october 7, before the policy and resistance long steve major military operation,

we were reporting above the fact that keeping the patients in gaza did not have the medical supplies that are needed to be treated. so doctors with a camera se, begging is would please allow some medical supplies in. this is, believe it. these are the leading conditions you can gather, which the united nations declared unbelievable by 2001 we are in 2023. what i'm saying is that the support international community, i would say rather the west and also the western media are responsible for what is happening today. because yes, of course, nikki haley called for genocide. a you'll have galandes really defense minister yesterday said that god has to be completely shut up, shut off the word and no water, no food, no fuel. and these are open cause for genocide, but even turning your back completely and not, you know, reporting about the god,

the feet and about the, and bear with the conditions of the policy and people means being responsible for data genocide. so i really think the international community meeting the west and the western media are actually responsible for what is happening these days. you know, uh, ramsey. i, i find that really quite curious, but it shows how sloppy and actually stupid and dishonest. these people are that there has to be a new knock box, which of course, is rarely this course. you're not supposed to talk about it, but when it becomes convenient, then they talk about it. and then they, they, they actually realize and, and, and legitimize me, the historical truth that it actually, the not, but actually did happen. go ahead in seattle to does this really interesting point because they are not, not just supervising the that the, the, the human side of the palestinians in 1947, 48. they are actually using the very post in your time, which means the catastrophe of the very destruction of the palestinian home,

then history kona. but what is even more interesting is the fact that people involved the vast majority of the are the defendants of those refugees. some of them are still alive, but the defendants of those refugees who were so cool. i think it clears from palestine in uh 75 years ago. another really interesting fact everybody is talking about how much this is. let me just have that they are trying to find out, was that you want to behind this was this coordinated which has moved up, but nobody is asking the question. oh, army is young, young people who are these young people who joined some rigs, georgia just allow me to have briggs, a part of the other moving to go on and circular, and social movements and goes up. and there are probably people who are there, there where either the big is what children with is what it is so huge on gaza,

started into in 2006, 2007. they have no political consciousness of the time, nor children. of this was developed under siege. they weren't being humanized is what else is repeatedly we count calories. we want to keep palestinians live with one to 2 dogs. we want to keep them alive and badly so. so the are the outcome of is what is speech, and that is what you'd be have to do humanizing discourse because it or make, tell it to the level of complete freedom as a part of a historical context. and what's become from a nation that has no political rights whatsoever and the original duties, while the sign ramsey through is really interesting. again, i mentioned in the beginning of the program, ukraine, the people of the don bass for 8 years had no agency whatsoever. they had no humanity, no sanctity of humanity whatsoever. and this is what and they all the way. and we let because this has been done to the palestinians for 75 years. okay. and but the

parallel is there the same discourses used to d, humanise, and to deny people any kind of power. i'm going to jump in here folks will get to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state with our to the i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence. the point obviously is to great trust, rather than fit the various jobs. i mean with the artificial intelligence we have

summoning the theme and the robot most protect this phone existence for the, the c i a program. same wasn't, don't need to create fearless and ruthless soldiers, but also to control the minds of thousands of unsuspecting people with narcotics which just walk up to the nature of your opinion. morning we should almost, as we shall assessed our and you put the, instruct me on a 2 of the ways to apply to them for pamela fashion, the front of the new modem, the but the wire pressure, no,

they chased to is your wireless is the, the deal and it's extra, but the one is most of them immediately exclusively something else. the c i a m k ultra project involving the use of special drugs for military and political purposes. first on my dad. and then in the ukranian army, i've shifted towards a large scale technical trials that ongoing to stop any time soon. the welcome ex, across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter real about your mind. you were discussing palestine, the

ok, let's go back to to and from professor mirandi. i mean after the, the 1st sorry is that, uh, the mouse shot into israel. minutes later everyone was pointing the finger at a finger at around to announce involvement. and all this again, you know, the people of guys who have no agency, they have no and they can't do anything without somebody telling them what to do. which is so tiresome. okay? considering with ramsey just had to say when you, when they, when uh, the blockade started in 2007 and you have children, they're growing up now they've grown up under this regime here. i'm sure i'm pretty sure they have a pretty good idea of who they are, but let's talk about it around because it looks to me like the lindsey graham's. this is another opportunity that they, they want to have in general more with it around. i know you around will not take the bait, but i'm sure it around is prepared. go ahead mohammed to yes. and the ronnie is obviously are going to continue helping the palestinian people and they're going to help him us and his stomach to heart and all the resistance groups that are

struggling for survival and for their rights. but the to deny the palestinian people agency is i think races in itself even though this whole affair is race, is the fact that the western media is supporting an apartheid regime. it shows the institutional racism in the west, but the policy name, people are highly intelligent, highly creative, very smart. and they were able to defeat a much more powerful and the end, very abusive oppressor. and there's rarely use it suffered a major defeat and they don't want to accept the fact that the downtrodden and oppress policy and people trapped in gaza surrounded in gaza. that they could to impose such a defeat upon this randy regime. but both the, the, this does not mean that the ronnie as well support the policy and people who are

wrong will continue to support the cause of sending people around will continue to support from us. your wrong will continue to support your stomach jihad, but it is the people of palestine that are fighting to survive. it is the people of color assigned to defeat it this way of the machine. and it is the people of palestine that are being bomb, women and children by that is really wishing day and night. and the western media and within the west is not a democracy. there. this whole facade about freedom and democracy is for kids. that's the even kids shouldn't believe it anymore. the western media are, is behaving like but soldiers or they is raised the regime. they're trying to justify genocide. they're trying to prepare the browns so that people will accept mass starvation mass that across kaiser. so they're trying to create this moral equivalence. they're talking about. palestinians raping is rarely is without any of

the evidence. they're talking about civilians being killed where colossians are being killed every day, every day for years. sometimes in the hundreds in one day, sometimes one a day it's, it's something that they live with all the time. so the west is trying to create some false moral equivalence in order to help is really, really mean. in some cases, the west is openly supporting genocide, western politicians, public figures. it used to be these rarely who, who, who, who said such things and, and they wouldn't say it in english. now. everything is fine. everyone can say what they really think. and quote, what mohammad, why, and what dentist or china not come down, why should they do it now? they, they support nazis and ukraine's. they celebrated nazi in canada. i mean, what, you know? yeah. the, the, the,

the bail was down there. they're very opening what their intentions are here, ramada. i thought it was very interesting to the joe biden is sending the aircraft carrier gerald ford to to uh, to the power city the bu midtown mediterranean coast. okay. again, that's one of the things i look at this comp like, you know, a complex usually is like 2 sites of comfortable power. it's never been the case here. so they're setting an aircraft carrier against guys on motorcycles. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary. and the extraordinary ingenuity of the people of gaza considering the blockade to be able to defend themselves like they've done, is really, really remarkable. nobody wants to point that out. go ahead and room a yes of city late. first of all, of course the, the, you know, the use of the term conflict in the wrong context has been instrumental for so many years. yeah. and, you know, it didn't recognize the fact that there was an occupier entered, occupied at people. so this was, of course,

this has been done for years. what is happening now though, if that's of course, there was an end or estimation of the power of policy and the policy and people to resist, but also of the policy and resistance movements to organize themselves. both in terms of manpower and in terms of weapons. and as we said, ingenuity to the point that a couple of weeks ago, a jake sullivan, which is the national security advisor, the united states, a set and a quotes here that the me that we've done is quite or today they never been into decades. and these was said a couple of weeks before this happened before october 7th. so it can instead of course they were, they were projecting an idea of the middle east. we, we saw and the tiny house at the united nations with the map without the process, without him getting the borders of policy and say, these are the new with an east. and they were talking about the normalization

between at ease well and so do you read the without involving palestinians? they wanted to roll the neck of the new me the east without completely neglecting the color scheme of the book. and these is where the publishing and resistance said no, we exist, and we are not gonna allow you to ignore us completely what you are projecting these idea. and often you want me to leave a room and i'm really glad you brought that up because i wanted to talk about this quote unquote normalization process ramsey. they is there. is there any coincidence in the timing here? because when netanyahu is at the united nations, he showed a map of the middle east and there was no power sign there. i mean, we picked up on that, but most the world didn't release of the western world didn't pick up on it. but hopefully this is a dead in the water right now. i mean, how shameful it has been for, for air of governments to be involved in this process. but hopefully it's been put

on ice go ahead, ramsey. you know, it's, it's, it's interesting feature that followed when every major event to saucon on, you will, using american terms, the, was the clear and you want me to each communities our lives declared the new with a piece of, uh, just after the or do you want to be is really a more the devastating war or living on 2006 nothing. y'all was through the united uh, united nation was september also declare a new middle east. and now that's gonna be always saying, i wouldn't change the middle east. um, when, when struck a, which is really interesting, does it mean that the middle east hasn't really been changed? so helen and you will be the e scanned the minute is actually a forward. but what is even more interesting is the fact that we're not. we're not the kindest to me. what is a good agency? we are talking about the will apply the past to me and strategy. listening to the speech is world leaders of the united nations general assembly. in september,

the position is coming from russia coming from. do you want somebody from south america or coming from south africa where much stronger the most are countries? so there has been an organized activity marginalizing. it's much given assassinating the palestinian cause. i completely agree movie palestine from any advisements of american interest. individual is and honest. we are involved in this 100 percent. now everybody is going to go back to the drawing board and they have to, we think that strategy. i personally think that nobody's ation. it is either at least for the source and medium in terms we don't know what's going to happen in the future. the americans are say, no, no, no, we're still in the works and we're going to work on it. but we know that blinking a, as in a banking has really decided not to go to more roku enough to will that uh,

not the so not the full rum bringing the arts together to celebrate the greatness of it as well. so they're kind of sitting in did, in fact, managed to change the rules of the game. want to get, i don't think always a coincidence. and that's why i brought up the question, well what, what are the chances this, this conflict could expand? i'm thinking about has the law in lebanon, and of course, they're your country around because they're pretty plenty of people in the west with, you know, this is, they see, this is a golden opportunity to rearrange everything. they always get it wrong. they always get it wrong. but it doesn't keep them from trying. go ahead and cut on. yes, they always get it wrong always. and that's something that they are not going to learn again. this time around the idea, they simply think that they can change the a map and impose their will and they fail time after time. and the west is not the power. they don't have the strength and the power that they had to 3 decades ago.

the united states and its allies on the decline and the existence of this rain, the regime, depends on the united states and the power of the united states. and the power of the you. apartheid is only in place because the united states and its european allies health is rarely enforced. without them their health, the regime would collapse very quickly. so as the united states decline as the europeans decline, and it's their own fault that they're on the decline, economic policies aside forever, wars, and now the war and ukraine and tensions with china. they've brought it upon themselves. so as a decline therapy hit the looking increasingly foolish when they try to impose their will on a region which is changing, which has evolved. iran is not intimidated by the united states. iran is not intimidated by the whole of nato. and then in the policy and people in gaza have

shown that they are not intimidated. the palestinians in the west bank are not intimidated the people of loving on are not intimidated. so yes, this could spread. this could get much worse, because if the is riley, regime push is too hard, they're going to be smacked down if they try to destroy cause of this war will definitely escalade and have no doubt that with whether this really is go into cause a whether they do not go into gaza, dave last. but if they go into gaza, the receipt will be much worse. yeah, so well if you, if you believe in god and you pray at night, i hope everyone will pray for the folks of guys cuz it's, it's alarms as long struggle ahead, but it's something that is so surprise me on saturday. and i really want to think, ramsey, because he's kept the consciousness of the of the palestine penny and people alive

for the rest of as good job. my friend as all the time we have on a think my guess in rome. seattle engine. correct. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time remember, prospect. the,

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