when a mouse wants this operations against israel, the western world, as usual, declared, it was an unprovoked attack. this is not surprising. as with the conflict and you claim the west refuses to accept that he is responsible for his client states destructive an illegal behavior. the cross walk in palestine, i'm joined by my guess, ramsey by rude in seattle. he's a palestinian officer and journalist until then we have mohammed mirandi. he's a professor at the university of the rent and in rome we crossed through romano roberto. she is an author and managing editor of the palestine chronicle. all right, cross out girls and the fact that music can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate ramsey. i'm going to go to you and seattle 1st because it's a god awful hour there. i really appreciate, appreciate you joining us here. i'm sure you've been watching the coverage of the complex as starting on saturday. and then it was an unprovoked attacked apparently just came right out of the blue, you know, just a bolt out of having here. and i,

it is so painful, you know, as everyone knows, i've been covering incessantly the ukraine complex and we have the same rhetoric, unprovoked attack. but saying this about palestine. i mean, we got to go back 70 years if you want me to talk about unprovoked go ahead, ramsey the. absolutely so, so even i'm going to jump right into it and say that forget that was what palestinians think has been about this just for a minute. to try to understand this to promote, i mean international law says that is what is my power. the united nation says the goal that is under siege. pretty much everyone around the world can read country around the world as the united nations is that israel stands in violations of yours international laws and united nations resolutions. it has a single do norris, but neither for the sense that your kind of sent me a lice, nor for the for,

for the fact that the city has already. why on the most basic and minimal of high mid assume a freedom of movement to merely to survive. and it takes place day after day after day. if there's anything in the world that gets to bolt, this is it. so how do you use this term in good conscience and how do they get away with it on friday? the mainstream media is so bizarre, these days. this is not it of spickle space for us, but a stimulus to fight these say because margaret, maybe we have a different narrative or on the front political discourse. maybe the last of our children do matter. maybe lots of or people not as maybe just maybe isn't oh, is of apartheid colonial state that should be held accountable under international law. and yet it's, it's not so yes is very much per bolt. and that should be where the conversation is

. well, it's good to professor mirandi that would, if they did do exactly what ramsey is, is proposing that would mean they have a conscience, but they don't have a conscience here. so i'm sure it was a, it didn't go a missed all 3 of you to we had the arts, neil con nikki haley running for the republican nomination for president, and she said on national television, finish them. finish them. but professor that's, that's a call for genocide and it went, nobody said anything. it just went it will water off the back of a duck. go ahead and turn around a, a quite a few. quite a few people have been speaking about genocide in the last 34 days. it's uh, quite amazing. it's not just as riley officials and it's rarely public figures. it's western officials and western politicians and western public figures that are

saying give them how you mean of destruct, get rid of them destroy. and if you are, we hope never to hear about gaza again after a few days and that sort of thing. and i think that symbolizes the fact that is a symbol of, of western civilization and where it stands right now, israel am i, you represents best western civilization today. inactive israel represent the acts of western governments and western politically leads. i'm not speaking about the ordinary people on the streets in london or new york that are struggling to get by i'm speaking about those leads and have positions of power and influence and the media and academia in business and in government. they are extraordinarily racist. they are, they are the 2 enemies of human rights and human dignity by saying this was

unprovoked. they know they are lying. they know that for 75 years, the policy ending people have been provoked. 24 hours a day. we see almost daily desks in the west bank by as riley is usually teenagers. it is rarely, regime goes into an account, shows a few people comes back, nothing happens and it's not reported in the media. settlers go and attack children, burn them alive, beat up adult speed up, teenagers, kill a few here in their and it's not reported in the western media and it's becoming, it has become a lot worse. in fact, the ever since the new netanyahu regime is come to power, yet the situation has become unbearable and the tax and on how to seniors have increased. so no one in this part of the world is

field by the narrative. and i think in other parts of the world as well, the global so no one really takes the western media seriously anymore. the what the influence of the western media is in the west. yeah. used to be that the western media had had gemini over the glow. but now i would say it has had germany over the west, and there is alternative media. but that is, i think, kept in sure. wow, well we're, we're trying to turn the page in with a guess like this. we are reminded on one of the interesting things is that we had the, the, the prime minister of israel saying to the palestinians, and guys, a get out of gaza. the hold that thought and then you show the airport intel of even people are all leaving. yeah. well they can leave. okay. but it's, it's not explained to western audiences, but the people and gods are in are in prison. they can't leave and there. but again,

in west to me, it just about they have to we go where go head and room. absolutely. uh, you know, the context is completely missing from every account in western media these days. and nobody is mentioning the fact that got these funds, or who magic feet and has been under hermetic fit for 16 years. a few days before october 7, before the policy and resistance long steve major ministry operation, we were reporting about the fact that keeping the patients in gaza did not have the medical supplies that are needed to be treated. so doctors went on camera se begging east road, please allow some medical supplies in. this is believe it. these are the leading conditions you've got to which the united nations declared unbelievable by 2001 we are in 2023. what i'm saying is that the support international community,

i would say rather the west and also the western media are responsible for what is happening today. because yes, of course, nikki haley called for genocide. a you'll have galandes really defense minister yesterday said that god has to be completely set a set of the word and no water, no food, no fuel. and these are open cause for genocide, but even turning your back completely and not, you know, reporting about the god, the feet and about the unbearable conditions of the policy and people means being responsible for data, genocide, a. so i really think the international community, meaning the west and the western media are actually responsible for what he's helping these days if they know ramsey i, i find that really quite curious, but it shows how sloppy and actually stupid and dishonest. these people are that there has to be a new knock box, which of course, and these rarely discourse, you're not supposed to talk about it, but when it becomes convenient,

then they talk about it. and then they, they, they actually realize and, and, and legitimize me, the historical truth that it actually, the not, but actually did happen. go ahead in seattle to does this really interesting point, peter, because they are not, not just supervising the that the, the, the human side of the city is in 194748. they are actually using the very post in your time, which means the catastrophe of the very destruction of the palestinian homeland history kona. but what is even more interesting is the fact that people in gauze are the vast majority of the are the descendants of those refugees. some of them are still alive, but the descendants of those refugees who were so cool. i need to be clear. so by this time in the 75 years ago, another really interesting but everybody is talking about how much this is. let me just have that they are trying to find out. was it you want to behind this was this

coordinated with cable, but nobody is asking the question. oh, are these young young people who are these young people to join some rebates joint has a lot of it, do you have briggs? a part of the other? i'm going to go on and circular and social movements and goes up. and there are quite a lot of it. there were either were, babies or children with is what it is. so you don't. garza started into in 2006, 2007. they have no political consciousness of the time, nor children of this was developed under siege. they were being humanized is what else and repeatedly, we tell calories, we want to keep palestinians live with the dogs. we want to keep them alive and badly so. so the are the outcome of what is what you speech is what you'd be have to be human noticing, discourse, the calorie talent to the level of these pre the as part of

a historical context in what's to be coming from the nation that has nobody to go right whatsoever. and the original dealer was fine. ramsey, it's really is really interesting. again, i mentioned in the beginning of the program, ukraine, the people of the don bass for 8 years had no agency whatsoever. they had no humanity, no sanctity of humanity whatsoever. and this is what they all the way, and we're not because this has been done to the palestinians for 75 years. okay. and but the parallel is there, the same discourse is used to de humanize and to deny people any kind of power. i'm going to jump in here folks, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state without the

moon's. when i went to the wrong, just don't you have to safe house to come to after care and engagement equals the trails. when so many find themselves quilts of parts, we choose to look for the common ground the. the russian states. never as tight as soon as the most sense community best ingles, all sense and the same assistance must be the one else calls question about this. even though we will then

in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the rush of funding and split the supposed met, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube, the fitness center. for what question did you say a request for check the an ac 90 age. the pleasure because it became a us colony, but still retained its own cultural identity and speak in favor of independence. we be thrown into prison today. close to health. it's population lived in, grow the residence in puerto rico, have new representation in congress, and convert and u. s. presidential elections. like okay, we're gonna make you american citizens, which you didn't ask for,

even if we were office citizenship and we would prefer when once again, it was in his twenties. he chose to fight, so he's homelands independence. we felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resist rather than of submissive except a reality that we fell asleep. shot into the fear. sorry that i decided to fight for my country. no, i'm not good. i have done things differently. yes, absolutely. do i now think that violence is not the means to achieve anything? absolutely. the welcome ex. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter real about true mind you were discussing palestine the okay, let's go back to to and from professor mirandi. i mean, after the, the 1st, sorry, is that the, the,

i'm off shot into israel minutes later everyone was pointing the finger at a finger at around to announce involvement and all this again. you know, the people of guys who have no agency, they have no, they can't do anything without somebody telling them what to do, which is so tiresome. okay. considering with ramsey just had to say when you, when they, when the blockade started in 2007 and you have children, they're grown up now they've grown up under this regime here. i'm sure that i'm pretty sure they have a pretty good idea of who they are, but let's talk about it around because it looks to me like the lindsey graham's. this is another opportunity, is it they, they want to have a general more with it around. i know you around will not take the bait, but i'm sure it around is prepared. go ahead, muhammad to yes, and the ronnie is obviously are going to continue helping the palestinian people. and they're going to help him, us and his stomach to hot and all the resistance groups that are struggling for survival and for their rights. but to to deny the palestinian people agency

is. i think races in itself, even though this whole affair is race, is the fact that the western media is supporting an apartheid regime. it shows the institutional racism in the west, but the policy name, people are highly intelligent, highly creative, very smart. and they were able to defeat a much more powerful and the end, very abusive oppressor. and there's rarely use it suffered a major defeat. and they don't want to accept the fact that the downtrodden and oppress palestinian people trapped in gaza surrounded and gaza. that they could to impose such a defeat upon this randy regime. but both the, this does not mean that the ronnie as well support the policy and people who are

wrong will continue to support the policy and people who around will continue to support from us. your own will continue to support your stomach, john, but it is the people of palestine that are fighting to survive. it is the people of color assigned to the defeat. it is rather machine and it is the people of palestine that are being bomb, women and children by that is really wishing day and night. and the western media and we in the west is not a democracy. there. this whole facade about freedom and democracy is for kids. that's the, even kids shouldn't believe it anymore. the western media are, is behaving like but soldiers or they is ready, the regime. they are trying to justify genocide. they're trying to prepare the grounds so that people will accept mass starvation mass that across kaiser. so they're trying to create this moral equivalence. they're talking about palestinians raping is rarely without any of the evidence. they're talking

about civilians being killed, where palestinians are being killed every day, every day for years, sometimes in the hundreds in one day, sometimes one a day. it's, it's something that they live with all the time. so the west is trying to create some false moral equivalence in order to help these raise the regime. and in some cases the west is openly supporting genocide, western politicians, public figures. it used to be these rarely to who, who, who said such things and, and they wouldn't say it in english. now. everything is fine. everyone can say what they really think and quote, what mohammed wine club was dentist or kind of knocked him down. why should they do it now? they, they support not seizing ukraine's. they celebrated nazi in canada. i mean what, you know? yeah. the, the, the, the bail was down there. they're very open in what their intentions are here,

ramada. i thought it was very interesting to the joe biden is sending the aircraft carrier, gerald ford to, to uh, to the power city. they do it many turn mediterranean coast. okay. again, that's one of the things i look at this conflict. you know, a complex usually is like 2 sites of comfortable power. it's never been the case here. so they're sending an aircraft carrier against guys on motorcycles. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary. and the extraordinary ingenuity of the people of gaza considering the blockade to be able to defend themselves like they've done is really, really remarkable. nobody wants to point that out. go ahead and room. yes, absolutely it. first of all, of course the, the, you know, the use of the term conflict in the wrong context has been instrumental for so many years. yeah. and, you know, it didn't recognize the fact that there was an occupier entered, occupied at people. so these was, of course, this has been done for years. what is happening now though, if that's of course,

there was an end or estimation of the power of policy and the policy of the people to resist, but also of the policy and resistance movements to organize themselves. both in terms of manpower and in terms of weapons. and as we said, ingenuity to the point that a couple of weeks ago, a jig sullivan, which is the national security advisor, the united states, a set and a quote here that the me that we've done is quite, are today the never been into decades. and these was said a couple of weeks before this happened before october 7th. so it means that of course they were, they were projecting an idea of them with an ease we, we saw, and the tiny house at the united nations with the map without the process, without the borders of pilots and say, these are the new with an east and they were talking about normalization between at ease will and so do you read the without involving posting is they wanted to roll

the neck of the new me the east without completely neglecting the color scheme of the book. and this is where the policy and resistance said no, we exist, and we are not gonna allow you to ignore us completely why you are projecting these idea. and often you want me to leave a room and i'm really glad you brought that up because i wanted to talk about this quote unquote normalization process ramsey. they is there. is there any coincidence in the timing here? because when netanyahu is at the united nations, he showed a map of the middle east and there was no power sign there. i mean, we picked up on that, but most the world didn't release of the western world didn't pick up on it. but hopefully this is a dead in the water right now. i mean, how shameful it has been for eric governments to be involved in this process. but hopefully it's been put on ice go ahead, ramsey, you know it's, it's,

it's interesting feature that up following every major event saucon on, if you will, using american terms, the who is the clear and you want me to the east going to use arise, declared the new with a piece of this, but just after the or do you want to be is what 80 uh more. the devastating more or less than 2006, nothing me i was through the united uh, united nation was september also declare a new middle east. and now that to me always saying i wouldn't change the middle east um with stripe, which is really interesting. does it mean that the middle east hasn't really been changed? so helen and you will be the east and the minute is actually a forward. but what is even more interesting is the fact that we're not. we're not the kind of city of what is a good agency. we are to be a back, the will private pass to be and strategy. listening to the speech is a world leaders of the month of nations joined us in the in september. the

positions coming from russia coming from, do you want somebody from south america or coming from south africa where much stronger the most are countries. so this has been an organized activity marginalizing. it must be assassinating the palestinian cause. i completely removing palestine from any investments of american interest. individual and honors were involved in this 100 percent. now everybody is going to go back to the drawing board and they have to rethink that strategy. i personally think that normally they should, it is either, at least for the source and medium terms. we don't know what's going to happen in the future. the america does say no, no, no, we're still in the works and we're gonna work on it. but we know that blinking a, as in banking, have already decided not to go to more roku enough to will that not a single, not the full run bringing the arts together to celebrate the greatness of it as

well. so they're kind of sitting in did, in fact, managed to seize the rules of the game. want to be, i don't think it was a coincidence, and that's why i brought up the question, well what, what are the chances this, this conflict could expand? i'm thinking about has the law in lebanon, and of course, they're your country around because they're pretty plenty of people in the west with, you know, this is how they see this is a golden opportunity to rearrange everything. they always get it wrong. they always get it wrong, but it doesn't keep them from trying. go ahead and cut on. yes, they always get it wrong always. and that's something that they are not going to learn again. this time around that they simply think that they can change the a map and impose their will and they fail time after time. and the west is not the power. they don't have the strength and the power that they had to 3 decades ago. the united states and its allies on the decline and the existence of this rain,

the regime depends on the united states and the power of the united states. and the power of the you. apartheid is only in place because the united states and its european allies, health is rarely enforcing without them their health. the regime would collapse very quickly. so as the united states decline as the europeans decline, and it's their own fault that they're on the decline, economic policies aside forever wars, and now the war and ukraine and tensions with china. they've brought it upon themselves. so as a decline therapy hit be looking increasingly foolish when they try to impose their will on a region which is changing, which has evolved, you run is not intimidated by the united states. iran is not intimidated by the hold of nato. and then in the policy and people in gaza have shown that they are

not intimidated. the palestinians in the west bank are not intimidated the people of loving on are not intimidated. so yes, this could spread. this could get much worse, because if the is riley, regime push is too hard, they're going to be smacked down if they try to destroy cause of this war will definitely escalade and have no doubt that with whether this really is go into cause a whether they do not go into gaza april last, but if they go into gaza, the receipt will be much worse. yeah, so well if you, if you believe in god and you pray at night, i hope everyone will pray for the folks of guys cuz it's, it's a long, long struggle ahead. but it's something that is so surprise me on saturday. and i really want to think, ramsey, because he's kept the consciousness of the of the palestine penny and people alive for the rest of as good job. my friend as all the time we have one,

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