the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter live out newton, yahoo! tell us by and we have to go into gaza and rules out negotiations in turn. fighting says we stand with israel, we stand with israel. so it's clear piece isn't the 1st priority, but it's also on the agenda, is potential genocide, the

cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, scott ritter in del mar. he's a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector in washington . we have me call the lead. he is in is really american activists and the author. and in liverpool, we have for speed of marinello. he is a professor of law at liverpool, john moore's university, as well as a member of the legal team representing jobs have victims before the i, c c. i gentlemen, cossack roles and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate because i can go to you 1st in washington, we know that the israeli prime minister is been talking with joe biden, joe biden, to address the nation, saying that the united states stands with his really was and fighting in panic about that. and then, you know, he's made it very clear that there's going to be no negotiations and that come off as an organization and is individuals must be destroyed. what is that about how well, how is this get to a resolution to the conflict? because none of that does that go ahead? well,

that's what i the question. i mean there's no question. negotiations are going to be coming up at some point eventually, if for no other reason, none of the costing or fires banners to get a get upgrade to the of israel is the prisoners out in the gaza strip, including senior officer is on the id asked. so there's no question that that he goes to, asians will be coming up with into the i was to do was to most of the bombing and killing innocent palestinians, hoping that that will put him in a better negotiating position. and also to exact revenge because he's behaving the gas there has been humiliated now he's got to take it out on. somebody's always taking it out on cost. it isn't god uh, the fact that you abide is supporting this of course. so he makes them an accomplice. to this massive crime against humanity. this really everybody's using the term genocide and then i think it's a, it's quite appropriate this wholesale murder, accosted in the past, and it isn't causing the 2nd guys up. and by the way, what's, what's interesting is that they're not stopping the fighters in inside. uh, you know, they're going in and out. oh god,

that continues to be in the fighting is still continuing. and so these are all these other mines in the south. and so the attorney, i was not going to accomplish anything at the end of the day, is going to have to say to the palestinians. and he is going to have to come up with some kind of an agreement draws. he's not going to see the prisoners back and, you know, we know the prisoners are the heart of both sides and you know, both these rallies care about the prisoners that were taking taken and austin is want their own political prisoners released from, from jail. yeah. but, you know, given the rhetoric that we have right now, i know, and you know, it's 8 to 8 people are, have very high temper is that the temperature is very, very high. i get it. people are made of wanting that to be the case. so we can say the most extreme things, and if you can say the most extreme things, maybe you'll start doing extreme things. so is scott, i mean, if you look at the rhetoric, you know, will coming out of washington, primarily the lindsey graham's and these folks here, right now they want blood and they're certainly going to get it. um so i mean it, it seems like ethnic cleansing is perfectly fine with washington because it seems

perfectly fine with uh with uh, tel aviv scott, in the 1st. well let's understand it. lindsey graham doesn't speak for it is rob. sure. these really is right now. are happy with what the same as words are. absolutely, totally meaningless. of israel doesn't need to be go to dog committed warcraft. they've been committing work crimes against the population of guns for decades. they don't need, you know, this pop as pop a door, prove your trends as, uh, you know, getting them on to, to commit crime. so i, i really with all due respect, don't want to talk about lindsey ground. well, i mean my budget about budget, but scott, the point is that the, the, a washington establishment is giving cover for israel as usual. so it is a continuation of this policy because we'll talk a little bit about the i c c in this program. but it's the united states, the gibs, israel cover from when it commits these kind of war crimes. that's was my only point. scott. no, i,

i understand your point by point is united states or so shallow with a critical i mean on the one hand, you know, i can't say i'd respect them, but at least i give a nod to their sincerity if united states was sincere already, but lucy, graham right now is choking in the blood lush that he has. but i can guarantee you that in a matter of days, if not weeks, united states will be demanding. that is real. she could see spar bring an end to this because we can't stomach the blood that will be shit. it'd be that the truth of the matter is we should be big that demand right now we don't have what it takes to sit back and let the israel do what it thinks it wants to do. and guys have, fortunately, israel can't do it either. i will tell you right now, it is real. will lose this war. now the palestinians aren't going to win this war because they're going to be smarter. but israel will know that she even cared about a cheap what it wants to achieve on the grid. oh god, yeah, the destruction of my mouth, but the slaughter is resolving the,

the so called palestine question and, and, and of course when you look at the tabloids in western media, they're all for it is, i don't know what values they're talking about here. i mean, if this is a value, then it's a civilization that is truly sick. i gotta say, you know, i want to ask you a question. and in light of the rhetoric that we've heard over the last few days, what has happened to international humanitarian law? i mean, if you've given you get a given what people are saying and what they're allowing in justifying israel, then there is no such thing as the mediterranean law, at least for the palestinians. go ahead in liverpool a while and things to look for the question, i mean the social is addressing this situation, the kind of facilities on international new wanting to low means coastal looking at the. busy techs in which the of the facilities of the place of the work is taking place and the complex successful context saying that you know, the legal completion of both of the west,

the bank and. ready the guy that's the biggest thing i need to go based on according to the side of the body. so it would be that the nation in particular commission will be part of the un isn't said so they believe strongly international people. it will be to, nationally my tell, you know, sort of the complex, the moving to the located where they've got so sweet. but it's already produce a number and also catastrophes and all those guys who just want to kind of because he's has to because he's one of the crime season back. we'll go ahead. so wind around here. these are called extinguish babies, or maybe along the least owing to an organization. i don't think dimension on your mind kind of, i don't know x, i do the show q in this, in the west bank of the central mass of biotech left. so by, alas, of each of the must see for our last, oh, cd. and so it was always thought to be doing it the visual, no conditional in relation to condition of the to ensure the legal world to be done by this video, socrates and so and destruction,

all city that properties and they game least is still available. so these are the context of talking about the complex heat. this app is already in wines, but then system, i think a talk against the body seen in cdns, widespread to some of the dot com, very dimensional. no means grimes the best, but it, but it's, it seems like him added to it. metatags to international law is only a tool for the enemies of the us. it doesn't apply it anywhere else. okay? because if i could go back to you, i want to ask you preventative question into my, i'm not trying to a light anyone's hair on fire here, but did her mouse in gaza strip, you really have many options and i don't know and can justify the violence that some of these fighters have committed to either atrocities and they should be held account for. but considering the political whim whims, i said i was gonna say wins, but it wins. it looked like that they felt they had no choice to make themselves heard. rico? well 1st of all,

whether or not the policy or fighters committed atrocities i think is still is still unclear. i mean, a lot of there's a lot of rumors out there, many of them are being debunked, dragged out. so you don't know the full scope of, of, of a sudden you're, you're making reference to the be heading a babies. of course, the story that the story that was the bunk and the same day that spread go ahead. we've got several stories like that. so like i say, i'm not, i'm not going to jump in and say, are they committed atrocities because that's not clear yet. now look as we both that i was all of us, i think you know how students engaged in, in, in, in mostly on, on resistance roberts for 75 years. i mean, the crime of the establishment of the state of israel that has the as obviously impacted cost areas that have been trying to resist it, like i said, mostly with on arm demands. but from time to time, obviously i think, and andre assistance in our, in the tack, is to be expected, especially when you're living. and if you consider the, the conditions in the got strip. and so what, what would the, they have a choice and not have a choice. all students are killed, not only engaged in,

was backed by the way, but in the, in other parts of the, you know, throughout officers start off sign. whether they sign up in the fight or whether they stay in their beds that make a difference of what killed and we've seen this particularly in gaza. so you know, sometimes they prefer to fight to get up and fight. and what we saw, even according to, is rarely military and the generals and other i others reason we saw it was a brilliant military operation that caught israel completely off guard. and um, so do they have a choice? of course not. israel puts them in a position where they are because they're going to die anyway. so they might as well show and it was very clear, it was very, very clear that they had a very clear objective. this was not, and i'll say it is clear, this is not active terrorism. they have a very clear political objective, which is the release of posting the prisoners, the pennsylvania they're going in to take as many prisoners as they could so that they can then negotiate to free their own post in their prisoners. and these are all the jails, and hopefully there's a larger political um, there's a lot of political goal here for the past seniors, as, as you know,

like i said earlier, negotiations will take place, of course is going to be a while. but when they do take place i, i'm very skeptical. uh that there is going to be negotiations. i, i think they see this as an opportunity to to resolve the palestinian questions. lie side. scott, we have one minimum before we go to the break. you know, you wait, that's about 2200000 people in the gaza strip and most of them are children at their children. that means the only thing they have known is living in a prison camp and concentration camp. scott, i think we should reflect on the words of most of the, on one of the founders of israel when he gave the eulogy to a right root bird who was murdered in 1956, a bunch. nick, uh, who lived in a bush on the outskirts you guys are. um, he didn't blame the guys. the blade is real. he said that every day that roy worked . he was stared out with a heat field. i just the guys had to looked at him. it recognized him and the rest of his rep for what they were occupiers stealing the land of their for fathers. i mean,

the generation of palestinian youth raised up to day are the same as existed in 195060 seventy's eighty's by the in the early 2 thousands. it was a cycle of the beverage that i have to disagree with. you peter, israel cannot defeat this. israel doesn't have the capacity to defeat this. the $300000.00 reserve is don't have the skill set that to master the, for the, for to, to, to defeat this guy's a will with a huge, huge cost gentlemen. and we have to go to a hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the the, the,

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[000:00:00;00] the, the welcome back to proud cycle are all things are considered. i'm peter level too much. we're discussing palestine. the okay, let's go back to proceed though, and a liber pool. oh, this big binding ministration is gotten most of its allies into mimic the term o rules based order is, is rule this rule space order apply to israel and are there in t uh, entities, a legal entities that can have ever held is real account for the atrocities that it's committed, particularly against the palestinian people. i mean, nobody else what it is very seems was no. this is a complex which has to be starting to get your site, your site. and this is

a political issue. it's a lot a legal issue. i'm sorry to interrupt, go ahead. what is the only legal issue i mean, because the donation i know is clear. i mean eating policies to clear the show on the policies in both totally on the side as well and those on so the state of decent, fairly sort of se debowski has to deal with a gauge shown. so they're going to charge seats and obligation to both team police all don't seem to mind, but like you to buy in the nation a little bit to can calling people to the board, connect to the us, going to be sent to those. he was in the nation will be international and the you so much variety to buy international the way these are, the problem is that when it comes to be very promising on site team, international community in the, in particular, western states do not have a big dent the maybe i mean, both stream glen meant visa information a little extra much. that's the reason why i strongly believe that these things do want to see stem disability sort of international load dimensionally wanting to be able to think through these days,

found the baby reach you saw in these come and talk to me. they say it's very interesting. it applies for some and it doesn't apply to other the, obviously the double standard is there we go. we, let's look at the timing of all of this because, you know, a lot of the, the former president, united states on trump made a lot of, hey about the abraham accords. i, i've never been a very sympathetic towards them because it was giving israel everything they wanted, and at no cost the meaning the to disappear, the palestinians. do you think that the, the, there's a mazda attack was related to that, because weeks before that, saturday we, we were hearing that the saudis were a good close to about recognizing is real. and now that's all in tatters. is this part of the same process mico? yes, i don't think there are any coincidences here. i think uh, the timing was,

was right. it was also has exactly 50 years plus one day since the tax or the $9070.00 as your october war. so, and of course the results are very similar, you know, his job was caught off guard and it was quite catastrophic for his, you know, because this is, this is much worse. you know, i want to go back to something that was said earlier, you know, keep talking about the american allies in the west and where is brick sprints is nice ending up for costa and either all the countries and bricks have a great relations within the hour great relations with israel and nobody stepped again to support the costing and cost, which is why $1.00 of the reasons is the so capable of doing whatever it wants and maintaining of this genocide approach towards the cost indians. so this goes far beyond the west. there's a, it's a good point, that's a good point. it's a very good 19 great deal going on. it doesn't matter, you know, managed to, to create alliances with. of course, all the rich countries have a good relation to the buy weapons from 0 and uh, and beyond in africa, african countries as well as over 40 diplomatic missions in africa. they are

working very hard in indonesia and malaysia. they've been boxed on. and so far as in order to get normalization under succeeding, the hope is like you said, that as we heard the society foreign minister say as a result of this, of this attack of this attack by posted in fighters. the talk to the issues on your, your know, off the table, which is of course, a very good thing. and hopefully, this will get somebody out there, at least the, the, the, the audience allies might be african countries, the higher countries, the muslims, and the most of the countries to come back to the party. the policy didn't cause support them in a big way to do it, to demand sanctions, to demand, you know, and to, to provide community to israel and so on. so i mean, to apply real pressure to bring down the, to part time energy. one would hope that this would inspire that we don't know for sure, but of course the savvy, this example is a very, very good one. so we've got both that, you know, and attempt to then all my vision talks with, with, with this attack and also to, to show, once again the, that the midst of these really military, the lights of these are, there is just

a myth. and the might of these really intelligence apparatus which also showed itself to be completely completely bankrupt, you know, are both minutes. and i think there's a very important lesson there. once again, we were taught by a handful of well trained, well disciplined, the prostate and go to the fighters by the way, live in train, in one of the course places on earth, which is the guy is a strip. so there's a very important lessons here. i think that we would just stop by the boston hands . yeah. and, and scott, that's good. yeah. it's talk about what, what victory means would defeat means. i think that's the all it's a mantic difference between us here. um, there's also uh, obviously talk of this conflict expanding, i'm thinking of course it has the law and you use a phrase that i've stolen it from you because i really like it military math. and do you think that has gl uh, looking at the military math is deciding which way to go because, um, uh they have, it has lots of lots of the same. it was 20 years ago, ne, in. and then of course the, the, the, the americans are least,

many americans blaming you around for all of this. i mean, the enemies are lining up here. do you think it's possible this could expand? go ahead. scott, a good. there is a different, a number of possibilities. especially given israel's well proven tendency to overreact. um, but i will say this, i firmly believe that eligible, it does not want to be involved. the wrong does not want to be involved. the scope and scale of what her mazda did was not intended to create a, a regional conflict. you wish to achieve a palestinian victory. they get a victory of what cost. it doesn't matter because students have been dying for decades. the death of destruction was never going to end the how mazda is bringing this to a head. they've humiliated these really military humiliated yahoo! humiliated

b b is really intelligence apparatus all. how much has to do to when this survive, and they will survive just like all his blood had to do in 2006. when was survive, hezbollah does it need to be drag this, the raw? does it need to be drag this, the how mouse victory is? are sure. unfortunately, as you pointed out, it's going to come to the cost of many, many thousands of innocent palestinians, us citizens. but they were going to die in any way, shape either die a physical death, or a more in depth stuck in this open air concentration camp. so how much has done them a favor by making their deaths mean something? yeah, i'd like to point out to our viewers. i mean, right after the, the hostility started israel announced a blockade, but the blockade has been in existence since 2007. i mean, they made it to ever advertise. it is something new. let's go back to our guest and river pool. one of the binding administration is kind of whispering that they may, i mean, they agree with no,

no negotiations. but behind the scenes are saying maybe a humanitarian court or to allow the people of guys out which is on the face of it . you know, that sounds like that might be a solution here. but it, but it also means if you were to force the godson's out like into egypt, for example, they would never be able to return again, solving the palestine problem is that legal under international law go ahead and liberal as well so. so please allow me before going to to the square, see on the, to seem to, to use a doctor's thoughts as before. i was just basically going to mention that when i was mentioning the sound, that was not the same thing on the 2 stage. so the international community also sort of things international and that means ations investing in this case to be international to see me on the coast. there is an open investigation or maybe a tc open up by the phone and prosecute the ballast and situation i was. seems a little to secure talk to coffee, so the biggest box that's coming on the new 2021. know so you can use it on to to this has been done. mean the situation that the, you know, in these days as being

a completely silent, you know that something was pocketing these by to the board and see over the okay. so with the ability to establish that the prosecutor can nation. so all the preventive states might select the protecting the situation. so i'm seeing like we have more to do think of the situation. we can we investigate totally serious validation of international no money available. so these assignments in these context see, so he's a show, can new ways of the question whether he's waving most i'm able to say something human police, you a single statement on what's happening. you know, they show to your question on the money towards closing money to call the dog. again, this is not the political choice. so stage of decent obligation on the international new money coming along, preventing your money by the end of the lease. but you say seat is of l national international. i don't want to and my mom was crying, you're like, oh, i don't like, you know, when it always comes to be the palestinians, it seems like no one's obligated to do anything that's but that's the tragedy of

all of this here. let me go back to mika, we're rapidly running out of time. and these, do you see a land invasion? because, you know, we're all we're told on the one hand, you know, they're, they're casual here, adverse. but that would be a very heavy casualty event for all sides mico. the user will not dare boots on the ground. the guy is a strict. they learn to 2014, that their fighters are inferior to the policy and fighters. and they paid a very heavy price in 2014 for putting boots on the ground. they've got the strip and they don't need to that far. but you know, fire power for up for the taking the conflicts from the air and so far so they won't dare put their stuff, put those on there on indigo street, excuse me. and they're accomplishing their goals anyway. i mean, they don't need the, you know, they're accomplishing their goals by the they want destruction and for destruction . you don't need to put boots on a row, so they don't need to. and even if they needed to, they wouldn't, they wouldn't dare. and we've seen that since 2014 and then may go, they, their,

their stated objective is they're getting rid of a mouse so that, that is a moot point if they're not going to put boots on the ground unless they want to level every single building and kill every single person, mika, that's the, that's been the state of georgia for a long time, and it's not working. and it's not going to work this time either. you're not going to get or of, of how much i'm going to get rid of. our students are not going to get rid of any, but i'll sit in a particular group this, you know, from us or any other group. it's not about that. they make these statements because it's for internal video. the statements are made for television, really politics. and again, the palestinians are still finding in, in settlements in the south settlements around talestine. i mean, around the strip fighting is still going on. the stands is still open and the fighters are still going in and out and bringing recruiting. okay, what do i want to give scott the last 30 seconds ago? scott. and i agree with everything you need to just set up. israel is been making a lot of noise. this noise is for domestic political consumption that it was

a failed leader is trying to use this tragedy to you know, fortify his political stance. this moral end of the disaster. ford is real for these really people for palestinian people. it will be a victory for a much. okay, gentleman, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in washington's elmore and in liverpool. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember, prospect rules the the probably her mother's storage as the model girl to i got you. no problem. seeing it all out of the same documents you guys side of the drive that i showed my brother

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