the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter live out newton, yahoo! tell us by and we have to go into gaza and rules out negotiations in turn. fighting says we stand with israel, we stand with israel. so it's clear piece isn't the 1st priority, but it's also on the agenda, is potential genocide, the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, scott ritter in del mar. he's a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector in washington . we have me call the lead. he is an is really american activist and the author. and in liverpool, we have for us being of marinello. he is a professor of law at liverpool, john moore's university, as well as a member of the legal team representing guys have victims before the i c c. hi

gentlemen, cross ok, rules and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate because if i go to you 1st in washington, we know that the israeli prime minister is been talking with joe biden. joe biden address the nation saying that the united states stands with this really was and fighting in panic about that. and then he always made it very clear that there's going to be no negotiations and that come off as an organization and is individuals must be destroyed. what is that about how well, how is those get to a resolution to the conflict? because none of that does that go ahead? the question, i mean there's no question. negotiations are going to be coming up at some point eventually, if for no other reason, none of the costing or fires by us to get a you know, regular up as early as the prisoners out in the gaza strip, including senior officer is on the idea. so there's no question that the english ations will be coming up, but it's any that wants to do list a list to keep bombing and killing innocent palestinians, hoping that that will put him in

a better negotiating position. and also to exact revenge because he's behaving the gas there has been humiliated now he's got to take it out on somebody, so he's taking it out on costing, isn't god the fact that joe biden is supporting this, of course. so he makes them an accomplice to this massive crime against humanity. this really everybody's using the term genocide and then i think it's, it's by appropriate this wholesale murder, accosted in the past, and it isn't causing the 2nd guys up. and by the way, what's, what's interesting is that they're not stopping the fighters in inside uh, you know, they're going in and out. oh god, they're continuously in the fighting is still continuing. and so these are all these elements themselves. and so anyhow, is not going to accomplish anything at the end of the day is going to have to say to the palestinians. and he is going to have to come up with some kind of an agreement draw if he's not going to see the prisoners back. and you know, we know the prisoners are the heart of both sides. and you know, both these rallies, care about the prisoners that were taking, taken alcohol. citizens want their own political prisoners released from,

from jail. yeah. but, you know, given the rhetoric and we have right now, i know, and you know it's, it's a people are, have very high temper, is that the temperature is very, very high. i get it. people are made of wanting and that to be the case. so we can say the most extreme things, and if you can say the most extreme things, maybe you'll start doing extreme things. so scott, i mean if you look at the rhetoric, you know, will coming out of washington primarily, be lindsey graham's and these folks here, right? now they want blood and they're certainly going to get it. um so i mean it seems like ethnic cleansing is perfectly fine with washington because it seems perfectly fine with uh with uh, tel aviv scott, it's a 1st well let's understand that lindsey graham doesn't speak for is rob. sure. these really is right now are happy, which what do you same as words are absolutely, totally meaningless. of israel doesn't need to be go to dog, committed warcraft. they've been committing work crimes against the population of guns up for decades. they don't need, you know,

this purpose pompadour proof your trends as you're getting them on to, to commit crime. so i, i really with all due respect, don't want to talk about lindsey graham. well, i mean the bridge, but it's gotten to the point is that the, the, a washington establishment is giving cover for israel as usual. so it is a continuation of this policy because we'll talk a little bit about the i c c in this program. but it's the united states that gives israel cover from when it commits these kind of war crimes. that's was my only point, scott. so i, i understand your point by point is united states is so shallow with a critical, i mean on the one hand, you know, i can't say i'd respect them, but at least i'd give a nod to their sincerity if united states was sincere already. but lucy graham right now is choking in the blood lush that he has. but i can guarantee you that in a matter of days, if not weeks, the united states will be demanding that israel seek a ceasefire. bring an end to this because we can't stomach the blood that won't be

shit. it'd be the truth of the matter is we should be basically that demand right now. we don't have what it takes to sit back and let israel do what it thinks it wants to do. and guys of, fortunately, israel can't do it either. i will tell you right now, it is real. will lose this war. now the palestinians aren't going to win this war because they're going to be smarter, but israel will not achieve and care about a cheap what it wants to achieve on the grid. oh gosh. yeah, destruction of how much, but the slaughter is resolving the, the so called palestine question and, and, and of course when you look at the tabloids in western media, they're all for it is, i don't know what values they're talking about because i mean if this is a value then it's a civilization that is truly sick. and i gotta say, you know, i want to ask you a question. and in light of the rhetoric that we've heard over the last few days, what has happened to international humanitarian law?

i mean, if you've given you get to, given what people are saying and what they're allowing in justifying israel, then there is no such thing as humanity in law, at least for the palestinians. go ahead in liverpool, i was saying sort of the question. i mean, the social is addressing the, these situation, the kind of possibilities on international new, any type of lo, means. postal. looking at the context in which the, the, the facilities of the place of the work about is taking place and the complex successful context. i mean, you know, the legal to be shown on both of the west the bank and. ready the guy that's the biggest thing i mean to go based on according to the size of the body. so it would be that the nation in particular commission will be part of the un isn't said. so they built a sort of international, in particular, hopefully to initially my time, you know, sort of the complex you may reach you to locate the, they've got the sweet pencil really produce and number and also catastrophes. and i thought it was a guy who just wanted to know because he's has to guys,

he's one of the guys he sent back. we'll go ahead. so want to be here. these are complex, in which there is already a long release toby into an organizational international. you're wanting to know exxon traditional q. and just from the west, bank of the central mass of biotech lapse of biomass, palm beach, of the must see for us to or cd. and so use of thought to were doing it the visual . no conditional in relation to condition of the to ensure the legal to be done by the lady to solve it is and so, and destruction of a city that properties and doing the least the still available. so these are the context of talking about of the complex you to set piece already. it was, but then system i think a talk again, somebody seen in cd. that's what spends the symbolic, a top. com, the trombone means grimes a best buy. but it, but it's, it seems like a humana to an imaginary international law is only a tool for the enemies of the us. it doesn't apply it anywhere else. okay? because if i could go back to you, i want to ask you

a provocative question and i'm, i'm not trying to a light anyone's hair on fire here, but did her mouse in gaza strip, you really have many options and i don't know and can justify the violence that some of these fighters have committed to their atrocities and they should be held account for. but considering the political whim whims, i said i was gonna say wins, but it wins. it look like that, they felt they had no choice to make themselves heard. mika, well, 1st of all, whether or not the policy or fighters committed atrocities, i think it still is still unclear. i mean, a lot of, there's a lot of rumors out there. many of them are being debunk, dragged out. so you don't know the full scope of, of, of a sudden you're, you're making reference to, they'd be heading a babies. of course, not the story that the story that was the bunk in the same day that spread. go ahead. you know, there are several stories like that, so like i say, i'm not, i'm not going to jump in and say, yeah, they committed atrocities because that's not clear yet. now look as we both that i

was all of us. i think your know how students of engaged in, in, in, in mostly on, on resistance progress for 75 years. i mean the crime of the establishment of the state of israel that has the as obviously impacted cost areas that have been trying to resist it. like i said, mostly with on arm to me into but from time to time, obviously i think and andre assistance in our and the tack is to be expected, especially when you're living. and if you consider the, the conditions in the got strip. and so what, what, what did they have a choice of not have a choice. all students are killed, not only engaged in, was backed by the way, but in the not going in other parts of the, you know, throughout also store cost 9. whether they stand up in flight or whether they stay in their beds, it makes a difference, a good deal. and we've seen this particularly in gaza. so you know, sometimes they prefer to fight to get up and fight. and we saw even according to his rarely military, i am the generals and other i others reason we saw it was a brilliant military operation that caught israel completely off guard. and um,

so uh, do they have a choice? of course not. israel puts in a position where they are because they're going to die anyway. so they might as well show up and it was great. we are, it was very, very clear. the data is very clear objective, this is not and i'll say it is clear, this is not active terrorism. they have a very clear political objective, which is the release of post and the prisoners, the pennsylvania, they're going in to take as many prisoners as they could so that they can to negotiate, to free their own cost in their prisoners is really jail. that hopefully there's a larger political um, there's a lot of political goal here for the past seniors, as, as you know, like i said earlier, negotiations will take place, of course is going to be a while. but when they do take place i, i'm very skeptical. uh that there is going to be negotiations. i, i think they see this is an opportunity to to resolve the palestinian questions. i side, scott, we have one minimum before we go to the break. you know, you wait, there's about 2200000 people in the gaza strip, and most of them are children at their children. that means the only thing they have known is living in a prison camp and concentration camp. scott,

i think we should reflect on the words of motion di, on one of the founders of israel when he gave the eulogy to write. ruth burge was murdered in 1956, a bunch. nick, uh, who lived in the bush on the outskirts. you guys are um, he didn't blame the guys he blamed is real. he said that every day that roy worked . he was stared out with the hate field. i just the guys had to look. they haven't recognized him and the rest of his route for what they were occupiers stealing the land of their for fathers. i mean the generation of palestinian youth races up to day are the same as existed in 1950. $6070.00 is eighty's ninety's in the early 2, thousands. it was a cycle. the beverage that i have to disagree with you peter, israel cannot defeat this. israel doesn't have the capacity to defeat this, but $300000.00 reserve is don't have the skill set that to master the for the, for to, to, to defeat this guy's a will with a huge,

huge cost gentleman. and we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the the, the russian states. never as one of the most sense community best to him. then i'll send, send up the keys on 9 to 5 and speed. the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia today, and split from

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artificial intelligence. we have somebody in the team and the robot must protect this phone. existence was alexis, the welcome back. the proud cycle are all things are considered computer level to remind you we're discussing palestine. the . okay, let's go back to to see though in a liver pool. oh, this big binding ministration has gotten most of its allies into mimic the term o rules based order. is israel, this rule space order apply to israel and we are there in t. uh, entities, a legal entity. so can have ever held is real account for the atrocities that it's

committed, particularly against the palestinian people. i have no idea what it is. very seems was no, this is a complex which has to be starting to sell your site, your site. and this is a political issue, it's a lot a legal issue. i'm sorry to interrupt. go ahead. what is the only legal issue i mean, because the donation oh no. he's clear meeting policy. so clear obligation on the policy both totally on the side as well. and those on sort of the state of peace and that would be sort of the faith deposit. he has the organization, so they're going to charge seats and obligation to both team. please hold on these 2 months, but why do the buying the national know that it can contribute to the board, connect to the us going to be sent to those he was in the nation will be international and at least so much belie need to buy international law and these are the, the problem is that when it comes to be very promising on site team international community. and so here in particular, western states do not have a big time. they are willing to maybe, i mean, both stream glen meant visa information

a little extra much. that's the reason why i strongly believe that these things do want to see stem decisions about a sort of international about the mission. i want to tell you a little bit see, think through these days found a baby reach you saw in these come and talk to me. they say it's very interesting. it applies the assignment, it doesn't apply to other the obviously the double standard is there we go. with, let's look at the timing of all of this because, you know, a lot of the, the former president, united states on trump made a lot of, hey about the abraham records i, i've never been a very sympathetic towards them because it was giving israel everything they wanted to do at no cost, the meaning the to disappear, the palestinians. do you think that that's the, that's how i'm also taco is related to that, because weeks before was that saturday we, we were hearing that the saudis were a good close to how about recognizing is real and now that's all in tatters. is this part of the same process? make a yes,

i don't think there any coincidence is here. i think uh the timing was was right. it was also has exactly 50 years plus one day since the attacks of the 1973 october war. so, and of course the results are very similar, you know, the show was caught off guard and it was quite catastrophic for israel because this is, this is much worse. you know, i want to go back to just something that was said earlier, you know, keep talking about the american allies and the less than what was brick sprints is nice ending up for pasta. and either all countries and bricks have a great relations within the hour, great relations with israel. and nobody stepped again to support the past and it causes which is why one of the reasons is or other so capable of doing whatever it wants and maintaining of this genocide approach towards the cost indians. so this goes far beyond the west is a, it's a good point. that's a good point. it's a very good one and a great deal going on. it goes to the man and you know, managed to, to create a lions as well as, of course, all the rich countries have

a good relationship. they buy weapons from, is rid of and uh, and beyond. in africa, african countries as well as over 40 diplomatic missions in africa. they are working very hard in indonesia and malaysia. they've been boxed on and so forth in order to get normalization and they're succeeding. but the hope is, like you said, that as we heard the, the saudi foreign minister say as a result of this, of this attack of this uh, attack by palestinian fighters. the talk to them as agents are on your, your know, off the table, which is of course, a very good thing. and hopefully this will get somebody out there please. the, the, the, the audience allies might be african countries, the higher countries, the muslims, and the muslim countries to come back to the party defaulting and cause to support them in a big way to make do it, to demand sanctions, to demand. you know, i ended up going back in new jersey to israel and so on. so i mean to apply real a pressure to bring down the to part time energy. one would hope that this would inspire that we don't know for sure. but of course, the savvy design example is a very, very good one. so we've got both that you know,

and attempt to the normalization tasks with, with, with this attack and also to, to show, once again the, that the midst of these really military, the might of these are, there is just a missed. and the might of these really intelligence apparatus, which also showed itself to be completely completely bankrupt, you know, are both minutes. and i think there's a very important lesson there. once again, we were taught by a handful of well trained, well discipline. the impulse didn't go to the fighters by the way, lydia been trained in one of the course places on earth, which is the guy is a strip. so there's a very important lessons here. i think that we were just stopped by the boston and . yeah, and, and scotland, yeah. it's talk about what would victory means would defeat means? i think that's the all it's a mantic difference between us here. um there's also obviously talk of this conflict expanding. i'm thinking of course it has the law and you use a phrase that i've stolen it from you because i really like it military math. so do you think that has gl uh, looking at the military math is deciding which way to go because, um,

uh they have that has lots of lots of the same. it was 20 years ago, ne, in. and then of course the, the, the, the americans are least, many americans blaming you around for all of this. i mean, the enemies are lining up here. do you think it's possible this could expand, go ahead scott. or there is a different, a number of possibilities, especially given is rules, well proven tendency to overreact of, but i will say this, i firmly believe that eligible does not want to be involved. the wrong does not want to be involved. the scope and scale of what her mom did was not intended to create a, a regional conflict. you wish to achieve a palestinian victory. they get a victory of what cost. it doesn't matter because students have been dying for decades. the depth of destruction was never going to end the how mazda is bringing this to a head. they should really, these really military humiliated yahoo,

humiliated b b is really intelligence apparatus all. how much has to do to when is survive and they will survive just like all his blood had to do in 2006. when was survive, hezbollah does it need to be drag this erode? does it need to be drag this, the how mouse victory is? are sure. unfortunately, as you pointed out, it's gonna come with the cost of many, many thousands of innocent palestinians, us citizens. but they were going to die in any way, shape either die a physical death, or a more in depth stuck in this open air concentration camp. show how mazda has done them a favor by making their deaths mean something. yeah, i'd like to point out to our viewers. i mean, uh, uh, right after the, the hostility started is real announced a blockade. but the blockade has been in existence since 2007. i mean, they made it

a ever advertise. it is something new. let's go back to our guest and river pool. one of the by didn't ministration, is kind of whispering that they might, may, i mean, they agree with uh, no, no negotiations. but behind the scenes are saying maybe a humanitarian court or to allow the people of guys out which is on the face of it . you know, that sounds like that might be a solution here. but it, but it also means if you were to force the godson's out like into egypt, for example, they would never be able to return again, solving the palestine problem is that legal under international law go ahead and liberal as well so. so please allow me before going the to the square, see on the, to seem to tell you, stop it, stop before i was just basically going to mention that where he was mentioning the sound that's was not the same thing on the 2 stage. so the international community also sort of things with the national games, ations investing in this case, to meet the measurements cleaning of the cold. there is an open investigation for media to see open up by the phone and prosecute the ballast and situation. one of

those seems a little closer to talk to coffee, so the biggest box that's coming on the new 2021. know so you can use, you've got the progress has been done. mean the situation. the pros, like, you know, in these days as being a complete, to be silent in order to trim from what's happening these by to the body. see over the okay. so with the ability to establish the prosecutor condition. so all the preventive states might select to protect components domino, the situation, something like we have more of the situation, we to investigate totally serious validation. i'm going to mention the morning available. so these assignments in these context see, so he's a show, can you raise the question whether he's waving most i'm able to say it's on the same event. we should a single statement. what's happened? you know, they show to the question on the money towards closing money to call people. again, this is not the political, the choice of states, a decent obligation on the international new money coming a little preventing your money by the end of the lease. but you say seat isabelle, nation of international don't want to. and my mom,

those are what kinds your like to know. i don't i, you know, i, when it always comes will be the palestinians. it seems like no one's obligated to do anything that's but that's the tragedy of all of this. here. let me go back to mika. we're rapidly running out of time. but these, do you see a land invasion? because you know, we're all we're told on the one hand, you know, they're, they're casualty of adverse, but that would be a very heavy casualty. event for all sides mika, yes, you will not dare put loose on the ground. the guy is a strict, they learned in 2014, that their fighters are inferior to the policy and fighters, and they paid a very heavy, reprice in 2014 for putting boots on the ground. they've got the strip and they don't need to, they've got, they've got far enough firepower for upfront. they can the conflicts from the air and so far so they won't dare put their stuff, put boots on ground and they've got a script excuse me. and they're accomplishing their goals anyway. i mean, they don't need the, you know, they're accomplishing their goal is by the they want destruction and for

destruction. you don't need to put boots on around so they don't need to. and even if they needed to they wouldn't they wouldn't dare. and we've seen that since 2014 on the nicko they they're, they're stated objective. is that getting rid of a moss so that that is a moot point if they're not going to put boots on the ground unless they want to level every single building and kill every single person, mika. and that's the, that's the state of georgia for a long time, and it's not working. and it's not going to work this time either. you're not going to get or of how much i'm going to get rid of. our students are not going to get rid of any, but i'll see it in a particular group this you know, from us or any other group. it's not about that. they make these statements because it's for internal. the statements are made for television, really politics. and again, the palestinians are still finding in, in settlements in the south settlements around talestine. i mean, around the guy, the strip fighting is still going on. the stance is still open and the fighters are still going in and out and bringing recruiting. okay,

kind of what i want to give scott the last 30 seconds ago, scott and i agree with everything you need to just set up. israel is been making a lot of noise. this noise is for domestic political consumption. that it was a failed leader. is trying to use this tragedy to you know, fortify his political stance. this moral ended the disaster for his real, for these really people, for palestinian people. it will be a victory for him. us. okay gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest in washington del mar and in liverpool. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember, prospect rules. the the in a c, 90 age, the pleasant rica became

a us colony that still retained its own cultural identity and speak in favor of independence or to be thrown into prison. today, close to half its population, lived in a row. the residents of puerto rico have new representation in congress and convert and u. s. presidential elections? like okay, we're gonna make you american citizens, which you didn't ask for. even if we were offered citizenship, we would prefer, like once again, it was in his twenties. he chose to fight for his homelands independence. we felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resistance, rather than submissive except our reality that we fell asleep. shockingly on fear. sorry that i decided to fight for my country. no, not could. i have done things differently. yes. so do i now think this violence is not the means to achieve anything absolutely known in

vietnam as the american war, the vietnam war. last, it's almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any time between now and then you don't see it now. what did go on empty? hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to bank the south vietnamese on me. i got that. not meant to supply american soldiers limited resistors, most of the slaves burned down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and lee laid up day by all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did and all of the enemy's veterans ready to forgive? yes, yes, yes. ok. on that side ways too

late. but you have the as violent escalades in the view and decries as impossible. israel's order for more than a 1000000 northern and gods or residence to flee from their homes to the south within 24 hours. meanwhile, israel slams the on response as a disgrace. that's as is really troops a mass on the border with does it interpellation for a possible brown? i thought the and in paris please use a water cannon and tear gas to this 1st pro palestinian protestors who gathered in solid. they're already with gaza despite their.