ration following the prayer, but we see empty streets of all traverse to them and even the mask whose gauge, which is of the entrance to the arabic, there's been quarter of the old city was empty and it was a very strange feeling. and apparently a police on whose really for she's made it clear of like the big bass notes to allow many people to come to pray to allow access and the we so inside check points and people were check their age out. because the reason the age restriction, only those, all the them 6 years old were allowed. so you can imagine that everybody wanted to pray today. i had this opportunity and this was one of the reasons why these young for testers have been demonstrating 0. now you can see it's relatively come with some expect flashes to rob its annual names because both sides are on high alert back to you. all right, are the middle east bureau chief maria, from ocean,

and thanks again to yes and i can joining us from they roots. all right, that's gonna do for me for now, but do stay with us. my colleague micro quatrey is in next in about 30 minutes time with more news by the the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter live out newton, yahoo! tell us by and we have to go into gaza and rules out negotiations in turn. fighting says we stand with israel, we stand with israel. so it's clear piece isn't the 1st priority, but it's also on the agenda is potential genocide,

the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, scott ritter in del mar is a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector in washington . we have me call. the lead. he is in is really american activists and the author. and in liverpool, we have 1st being of marinello. he is a professor of law at liverpool, john moore's university, as well as a member of the legal team representing guys have victims before the i c c. hi gentlemen. comstock role is in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate because i can go to you 1st in washington, we know that the israeli prime minister is been talking with joe biden, joe biden, to address the nation, saying that the united states stands with this really was and fighting in panic about that. and then, you know, has made it very clear that there's going to be no negotiations and that come off as an organization and is individuals must be destroyed. what is that about how

well, how is this get to a resolution to the conflict? because none of that does that go ahead? well, that's what i the question. i mean there's no question. negotiations are going to be coming up at some point eventually, if for no other reason, none of the costing or fires banners to get a get upgrade to the of israel is the prisoners out in the gaza strip, including senior officer is on the idea asked. so there's no question that that he goes to, asians will be coming up with into the i want to do was to boost the bombing and killing innocent palestinians, hoping that that will put him in a better negotiating position. and also to exact revenge, because he's behaving the gas there has been humiliated now he's got to take it out on somebody's always taking it out on cost. it isn't god. the fact that joe biden is supporting this, of course, so he makes them an accomplice to this massive crime against humanity. this really everybody's using the term jazz side and then i think it's, it's quite appropriate this wholesale murder of cost in cost and it isn't thousands

and guys up. and by the way, what's, what's interesting is that they're not stopping the fighters in, inside. uh, you know, they're going in an auto guys are continuously in the fighting is still continuing . and so these are all these elements themselves. and so, anyhow, is not going to accomplish anything at the end of the day is going to have to say to the palestinians. and he is going to have to come up with some kind of an agreement draws. he's not going to see the prisoner's back and, you know, we know the prisoners are the heart of both sides and you know, both these rallies care about the prisoners that were taking taken and austin is want their own political prisoners released from, from jail. yeah. but, you know, given the rhetoric and we have right now, i know, and you know it's, it's a people are, have very high temper is the temperature is very, very high. i get it, people and me wanting that to be the case. so we can say the most extreme things, and if you can say the most extreme things, maybe you'll start doing extreme things. so is scott, i mean, if you look at the rhetoric, you know, will coming out of washington primarily,

be lindsey graham's and these folks here, right now they want blood and they're certainly going to get it. um so i mean it seems like ethnic cleansing is perfectly fine with washington because it seems perfectly fine with uh with uh, tel aviv scott, it. well 1st of all, let's understand that lindsey graham doesn't speak for it is rob. sure these really is right now. are happy with what do you same as words are absolutely totally meaningless. this real does need to be go to dog, committed warcraft. they've been committing work crimes against the population of guns for decades. they don't need, you know, this purpose pompadour prove your trends as, uh, you're getting them on to, to commit crimes. so i, i really with all due respect, don't want to talk about lindsey graham. well, i mean the bench, but it's gotten to the point is that the, the washington establishment is giving cover for israel as usual. so it is a continuation of this policy because we'll talk

a little bit about the i c c and this program. but it's the united states that gives is real cover from when it commits these kind of war crimes. that's was my only point, scott. so i, i understand your point by point is united states or so shallow with a critical, i mean, on the one hand, you know, i can't say i'd respect them, but at least i'd give a nod to their sincerity if united states was sincere. alright, but lucy graham right now is choking in the blood lush that he has. but i can guarantee you that in a matter of days, if not weeks, the united states will be demanding that israel seek a cease fire. bring an end to this because we can't stomach the blood that won't be shit. it'd be that the truth of the matter is we should be making that demand right now. we don't have what it takes to sit back and let the israel do what it thinks it wants to do. and guys of, fortunately, israel can't do it either. i will tell you right now, it is real. will lose this war. now the palestinians are going to win this war

because they're gonna be smarter. but israel will know that she didn't care about a cheap what it wants to achieve on the grid. oh god. yeah, destruction of emotion, but the slaughter is resolving the, the so called palestine question and, and, and of course when you look at the tabloids in western media, they're all for it is, i don't know what values they're talking about because i mean if this is a value then it's a civilization that is truly sick. i gotta say, you know, i want to ask you a question. and in light of the rhetoric that we've heard over the last few days, what has happened to international humanitarian law? i mean, if you've given you get a given what people are saying and what they're allowing in, in justifying israel, then there is no such thing as humanity in law, at least for the palestinians. go ahead in liverpool a while and things to look for the question, i mean, the social is addressing this situation, the kind of facilities on international new monetary, low means coastal looking at the context in which the, the,

the opportunities of the place of the work is taking place and the complex successful context saying that you know, the legal completion of both of the west, the bank and also the guy that's the biggest thing i mean to go based on according to the side of the body. so it would be that the nation in particular commission will be part of the what is it says that they believe strongly international people . it will be to initially my title, sort of thinking of accounting. see we 2 to locate the, they've got those 3 pairs already. produce a number and also catastrophes and all those guys who just want to kind of because he's has to guys, he's one of the cards you sent back. we'll go ahead. so want to hear these, the context in which there is already a long release toby into an organizational don't think dimension on your mind kind of, i don't know exceptionally so q and as in the west bank of the central mass of biotech lapse of biomass. well, i'll be to the must see for our last, oh, cd. and so it was all thought to were doing it the visual know,

conditional in relation to completion of the to ensure the legal to be done by desire to solve it is and so, and destruction obviously the, the properties and again, the least is still available. so these are the context we are talking about to the complex you just asked this already. it was, but then system, i think a talking be somebody seen in cdns. what spend see some of the desktop and very dimensional? no means crime is the best but it, but it's, it seems like a humana to an imaginary international law is only a tool for the enemies of the u. s. it doesn't apply it anywhere else. so good, because if i could go back to you, i want to ask you a provocative question in a my, i'm not trying to a light anyone's hair on fire here, but did her mouse in gaza strip, you really have many options and i don't know and can justify the violence that some of these fighters have committed to their atrocities and they should be held account for. but considering the political whim whims, i said i was gonna say wins,

but it wins. it looked like that they felt they had no choice to make themselves heard, nico? well, 1st of all, whether or not the policy or fighters committed atrocities, i think it still is still unclear. i mean, a lot of there's a lot of rumors out there, many of them are being debunk, dragged out. so really don't know the full scope of, of, of a sudden you're, you're making reference to, they'd be heading a babies. of course not the story. the story that was the bunk in the same day that spread go ahead. you know that there are several stories like that. so like i say, i'm not, i'm not going to jump in and say, yeah, they committed atrocities because that's not clear yet. and i look as we both that i was all of us, i think you know how students of engaged in, in, in, in mostly on, on resistance progress for 75 years. i mean, the crime of the establishment of the state of israel that has the as obviously impacted cost areas that have been trying to resist it, like i said, mostly with on arm to me is about from time to time. obviously, i think and under assistance in our and the tack is to be expected,

especially when you're living. and if you consider the, the conditions in the got strip. and so what, what, what did they have a choice of not have a choice. all students are killed, not only engaged in, was backed by the way, but in the knock of, in the, in other parts. so you know, throughout also store tal sign, whether they stand up and fight or whether they stay in their beds that make a difference in the fields. and we've seen this particularly in gaza. so, you know, sometimes they prefer to fight to get up and fight. and what we saw, even according to, is rarely military in general is another, out of this region. we saw it was a brilliant military operation that caught israel completely off guard. and um, so uh do they have a choice? of course not. israel puts them in a position where they are because they're going to die anyway. so they might as well show and it was very clear. it was very, very clear that they had a very clear objective. this is not, and i'll say it is clear, this is not active terrorism. they have a very clear political objective, which is the release of boston and prisoners. so they knew they were going in to take as many prisoners as they could so that they can to negotiate,

to free their own posting and prisoners and is really jail that hopefully there's a larger political, the political goal here for the past seniors, as, as you know, like i said earlier, negotiations will take place, of course is going to be a while, but when they do take place i, i'm very skeptical. uh that there's going to be negotiations. i i think basically this is an opportunity to to resolve the palestinian questions. lie side, scott, we have one minimum before we go to the break. you know, you wait, that's about 2200000 people in the gaza strip and most of them are children. if their children, that means the only thing they have known is living in a prison camp and concentration camp. scott, i think we should reflect on the words of most of the, on one of the founders of israel, when he gave the eulogy to write root. burge was murdered in 1956 o'clock to bunch . nick, uh, who lived in a bush on the outskirts you guys. um, he didn't blame the guy's key blade is real. he said that every day that roy worked . he was stared out with

a hate filled i just the guys had to looked at him and recognized him and the rest of his real for what they were occupiers stealing the land of their for fathers. i mean, the generation of palestinian youth raised up to day are the same as existed in 1956, the seventies eighties, by the, in the early 2, thousands. it was a cycle. the beverage that i have to disagree with you, peter, israel cannot defeat this. israel doesn't have the capacity to defeat this, but $300000.00 reserve is don't have the skill set that to master the for the, for to, to, to defeat this guy's up will, with a huge, huge cost gentleman. and we have to go to a hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the, [000:00:00;00]

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for the week on the $50.00 for the 1st phone. number the the welcome back to proud software. all things are considered computer level to remind you we're discussing palestine the okay, let's go back to to see though in a liver pool. oh, this is the combined administration, has gotten most of its allies into mimic the term o rules based order. is israel, this rule space order apply to is real and we are there in t. uh, entities,

a legal entities that can have ever held is real account for the atrocities that it's committed, particularly against the palestinian people. i have no idea what it is very seem because you know, this is a complex which has to be starting to sell your site. you're saying this is a political issue. it's a lot a legal issue. i'm sorry to interrupt. go ahead. what is the only legal issue i mean, because international know is clear. i mean eating policy simply obligation on the boxing board only on the side as well, and those on so the state of decent, fairly sort of say debowski has to be a big issue. and so they're wanting to touch our seats and obligation to put in place on don't cease 2 months. but why do the buying the national know that it can contribute to the board financially affinities into those he was in the nation, will be international and the east. so much belie need to buy international the way these are the problem is that when it comes to be very focusing on site team, international community and those that again, particular western states do not have a big damage. they are really know,

maybe i mean both stream glen meant visa information a little extra much. that's the reason why i strongly believe that these things do want to see stem decisions about what each one of the international about the mission. i want to be able to think through these days, found a baby teacher saw in these come and talk to me to say it's very interesting. it applies for some and it doesn't apply to other the, obviously the double standard is there we go with, let's look at the timing of all of this because, you know, a lot of the, the former president of united states on trump made a lot of, hey, about the abraham records i, i've never been a very sympathetic towards them because it was giving israel everything they wanted and at no cost the meeting the to disappear, the palestinians. do you think that that's the, that's how i'm also taco is related to that, because weeks before was that saturday we, we were hearing that the saudis were a good close to how about recognizing is real and now that's all in tatters. is

this part of the same process? make a yes, i don't think there are any coincidences here. i think uh the timing was was right . it was also has exactly 50 years plus one day since the attacks of the $9073.00 october war. so, and of course the results are very similar, you know, his job was caught off guard and it was quite catastrophic for his, you know, because this is, this is much worse. you know, i want to go back to just something that was said earlier, you know, keep talking about the american allies and the less than what was brick sprints in house ending up for costa and either all the countries and bricks have great relations within the hour great relations with israel and nobody stepped again to support the cost and the cost, which is why $1.00 of the reasons is or other so capable of doing whatever it wants and maintaining of this genocidal approach towards the cost indians. so this goes far beyond the west. there's a, it's a good point. that's a good point. it's a very good 1. 9 great deal going on. it doesn't matter, you know, managed to,

to create a lions as well as, of course, all the rich countries have a good relationship. they buy weapons from, is rid of, and uh, and beyond in africa, african countries as well as over 40 diplomatic missions in africa. they are working very hard in indonesia and malaysia, they've been boxed on and so far as in order to get normalization and then there's succeeding. the hope is, like you said, that as we heard the society foreign minister say as a result of this, of this attack of this attack by palestinian fighters. the talk to them. i visuals on your, your know, off the table, which is of course, a very good thing and hopefully this will get somebody out there please. the, the, the, the audience allies might be african countries, the higher countries, the muslims, and the muslim countries to come back to the party. the policy didn't cause to support them in a big way to made to, to demand sanctions, to demand. you know, i ended up going back in new jersey to israel and so after, i mean to apply real pressure to bring down the to part time energy. one would hope that this would inspire that we don't know for sure. but of course, the savvy,

this example is a very, very good one. so we've got both that, you know, and attempt to then all my vision talks with, with, with this attack and also to, to show, once again the, that the midst of these really military, the minds of these are, there is just a miss and the minds of these really intelligence apparatus, which also showed itself to be completely completely bankrupt, you know, are both minutes. and i think this is a very important lesson there. once again, we were taught by a handful of well trained, well discipline, the prostate and go to the fighters by the way, live in train, in one of the course places on earth, which is the guy is a strip. so there's a very important lessons here. i think that we were just stopped by the boston hands. yeah. and, and scott, that's good. yeah. it's talk about what, what victory means. what defeat means. i think that's the, all it's a mantic difference between us here. um, there's also obviously talk of this conflict expanding, i'm thinking of course it has the law and you use a phrase that i've stolen it from you because i really like it military math. so do you think that has gl uh,

looking at the military math is deciding which way to go because, um, uh they have that has lots of lots of the same. it was 20 years ago, ne, in and then of course would be the, the americans are least, many americans blaming you around for all of this. i mean, the enemies are lining up here. do you think it's possible this could expand go ahead. scott. there is a different, a number of possibilities, especially given israel's well proven tendency to overreact. um, but i will say this. i firmly believe that eligible, it does not want to be involved. the wrong does not want to be involved. the scope and scale of what her mazda did was not intended to create a, a regional conflict. you wish to achieve a palestinian victory. they get a victory of what cost. it doesn't matter, because students have been dying for decades,

the death of destruction was never going to end the how mazda is bringing this to it, that they should email you. this is really military humiliated. yahoo! humiliated b b is really intelligence apparatus all. how much has to do to when is survive and they will survive just like all his blood had to do with 2006. when was survive, hezbollah does it need to be drag this, the raw? does it need to be drag this, the how mouse victory is? are sure. unfortunately, as you pointed out, it's going to come with the cost of many, many thousands of innocent palestinians, us citizens. but they were going to die in any way, shape either die a physical death, or a more in depth stuck in this open air concentration camp. so how much has done them a favor by making their deaths mean something? yeah, i'd like to point out to our viewers. i mean, right after the, the hostility started israel announced a blockade,

but the blockade has been in existence since 2007. i mean, they made it to ever advertise. it is something new. let's go back to our guests and river pool. one of the binding administration is kind of whispering that they might, may, i mean, they agree with uh, no, no negotiations went behind the scenes are saying, maybe a humanitarian cord or to allow the people of gaza out, which is on the face of it. you know, that sounds like that might be a solution here, but it, but it also means if you were to force the guys and out like into egypt for example, they would never be able to return again, solving the palestine problem is that legal? wonder international law go ahead in liberal as well so. so please allow me before going to to the square, see on the to uh it seems utility use dr. stats us before i was just basically going to mention that when i was mentioning the sound, that was not the same thing on the 2 states and internationally. the community also sort of things international, and that means ations. you must equal them in this case of international females

called babies and open investigation or media t. c. open them by default, and prosecute the bios and situation. one of those seems a little to secure talk to coffee, so the biggest box that's coming on the new 2021. know so you can use it going to go, this has been done. mean the situation, the prosecutor in these days as being a completely silent to know that something was pocketing these by to the bodies you over the. okay. so with the ability to establish that the prosecutor condition, so call to preventive states, might selected to protect components of the situation. so i'm thinking like we have more to do think of the situation we to investigate totally serious validation of international in the morning time. hello. so these assignments in these context see, so he's a show, can you raise the question whether he's leaving most i'm able to say something human police, you a single statement. what's happened? you know, they show to your. ready question on the money to close the money to call the dog. again, this is not the political, the choice of states of decent obligation on the international. remind me, tell me a little preventing your money by the end of the lease,

but you say seat is of l national, international money to and my mom, those are what kinds your like to know. i don't like, you know, when it always comes to be the palestinians, it seems like no one's obligated to do anything that's but that's the tragedy of all of this. here. let me go back to mika. we're rapidly running out of time. and these, do you see a land invasion because, you know, we're all we're told on the one hand, you know, they're, they're casual here adverse, but that would be a very heavy casualty event for all sides. mika, is there a lot different boots on the ground? the guys have strep, they learned in 2014, that their fighters are inferior to the prostate and fighters, and they paid a very heavy price in 2014 for putting boots on the ground. they've got the strip and they don't need to that far. but you know, fire power for up for other they can the conflicts from the air and so far so they won't dare put their stuff, put those on the indigo strip, excuse me. and they're accomplishing their goals anyway. i mean, they don't need the, you know,

they're accomplishing their goal is by the they want destruction and for destruction. you don't need to put boots on a route so they don't need to. and even if they needed to, they wouldn't, they wouldn't dare. and we've seen this since 2014, and then they go, they, their, their stated objective is they're getting rid of a mouse so that, that is a moot point if they're not going to put boots on the ground unless they want to level every single building and kill every single person, mika, and that's great, that's been the state of georgia for a long time, and it's not working. and it's not going to work this time either. you're not going to get or of how much i'm going to get rid of our students are not going to get rid of any but hosted in a particular group this you know, from us or any other group. it's not about that. they make these statements because it's for internal, you know, these statements are made for television, really politics. and again, the palestinians are still finding in, in settlements in the south settlements around talestine. i mean, around the guy, the strip fighting is still going on. the stands is still open and the fighters are

still going in and out and bringing recruiting. okay, what do i want to give scott the last 30 seconds ago? scott. and i agree with everything you need to just set up. israel is been making a lot of noise. this noise is for domestic political consumption that it was a failed leader. he's trying to use this tragedy to you know, fortify his political stance. this moral end of the disaster for his real, for these really people for palestinian people, it will be a victory for him. us. okay gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in washington, delmar, and in liverpool. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember, prospect rules, the the

se 90 agent. you know, the new ones are really kind of became a us colony that still retained its own cultural identity and speak in favor of independence. we be thrown into prison today, close to half its population, lived in grow the residence of puerto rico, have new representation in congress and convo to us presidential elections. like okay, we're gonna make you american citizens, which you didn't ask for, even if we were office citizenship with had and we would prefer when once again, it was in his twenties, he chose defiance that he's homelands, independence. we felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resist rather than of submissive accept reality that we fell asleep. shockingly unfair, sorry that i decided to fight for my country. no, i'm not good. i have done things differently. yes, absolutely. do i now think that violence is not the means to achieve anything

absolutely known in vietnam as the american war. the vietnam war sticks almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any time now, and then you don't see it now. what did go on empty hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me, i got the american soldiers loaded resistors, most of the slaves burned down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and even lee by all right, did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did and on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah, yeah,

that's that way. it's too late to. but yeah, the last riley's is supportive policy and it's take place around the world, including your brand, lebanon, and power spine itself. as a matter of course, to protest against these wells, the bombing of gas or the as val legs escalades in gas, either you and the prize as impossible. israel's order for more than a 1000000 people in northern gather to 3 from now to the south fit in 24 hours. meanwhile, these are all slammed to you and responds as a disgrace. that's as easily troops,