borrowing in overhead for michelle resolve whose somebody was caught up in the mass attack she shared with us the story of what her family went through. on the morning last saturday, october 7th. we were looking at buying a uh, uh, alarms that kept going on. our exclusions all around us and we were running to the safe room for production. and we couldn't understand what was going on. we've never experienced such uh apps to last through this exclamation. when my husband came into the same room, he gave me a gun and we looked at each other and we said that we're heading to the last. but no matter what that is, the better option than being a hostage. we have to fight i and for one second i in all those 8 hours did i was sitting there in the despair and the angry there was building up with us. there is no point or instead of going down with at a site,

we didn't know we did and they don't want to think we are now going to. they make it. i was sitting here today almost a week after, i still don't understand it. i still don't believe that we've been through this, that my children had to go through this that i had to tell my children that they have to fight and never give up and die. i then to be hostage it's, it's a, it's crazy, it's insane. all right, those are the lineup of stories at this time. we'll be back with more have top of yeah, i a mike or quick check. i see you again the the

hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter le, about newton. yahoo! tell us buying, we have to go into gaza and rules out negotiations in turn. fighting says we stand with israel, we stand with israel. so it's clear piece isn't the 1st priority, but it's also on the agenda is potential genocide, the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, scott ritter in del mar. he's a former intelligence officer in united nations weapons inspector in washington. we have me call phillips. he is an is really american activist and author. and in liverpool, we have 15 of marinello. he is a professor of law at liverpool, john moore's university, as well as a member of the legal team, representing casa victims, before the i, c c. hi gentlemen, cross ok,

rules and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate because i can hear you 1st in washington, we know that the israeli prime minister is been talking with joe biden, joe biden, to address the nation, saying that the united states stands with this really was and fighting in panic about that. and then, you know, has made it very clear that there's going to be no negotiations and that come off as an organization and is individuals must be destroyed. what is that about how well, how is those get to a resolution to the conflict? because none of that does that go ahead? well, that's what i the question. i mean there's no question. negotiations are going to be coming up at some point eventually, if for no other reason, none of the costing or fires banners to get a get upgrade to the of israel is the prisoners out in the gaza strip, including senior officer is on the idea asked. so there's no question that that he goes to, asians will be coming up with inside. yeah. wants to do was to was to keep bombing

and killing innocent palestinians, hoping that that will put him in a better negotiating position. and also to exact revenge, because he's behaving the gas there has been humiliated now he's got to take it out on somebody's always taking it out on cost. it isn't guys of the fact that joe biden is supporting this, of course, so he makes them an accomplice. to this massive crime against humanity. this really everybody's using the term genocide and then i think it's, it's quite appropriate this wholesale murder of cost in cost and it isn't causing the 2nd guys up. and by the way, what's, what's interesting is that they're not stopping the fighters in, inside uh, you know, they're going in and out to a guy that continues to be in the fighting is still continuing. and so these are all these elements themselves. and so the attorney, i was not going to accomplish anything at the end of the day, is going to have to say to the palestinians. and he is going to have to come up with some kind of an agreement draws. he's not going to see the prisoner's back and, you know, we know the prisoners are the heart of both sides. you know, both his rallies, care about the prisoners that were taking taken and all citizens want their own

political prisoners released from, from jail. yeah, but you know, given the rhetoric and we have right now, i know and you know it's, it's a people are, have very high temper is the temperature is very, very high. i get it. people are made of wanting and that to be the case. so we can say the most extreme things, and if you can say the most extreme things, maybe you'll start doing extreme things. so is scott, i mean, if you look at the rhetoric, you know, will coming out of washington primarily be lindsay grams. and these folks here, right now they want blood and they're certainly going to get it. um, so i mean it, it seems like that's an, a cleansing is perfectly fine with washington because it's saying it's perfectly fine with uh with the tel aviv scott in the 1st. well let's understand that lindsey graham doesn't speak for it is rob. sure. these really is right now, are happy with what the same as words are. absolutely, totally meaningless. of israel doesn't need to be go to dog, commit warcraft. they've been committing work crimes against the population of guns

for decades. they don't need, you know, this purpose pompadour proof your trends as uh, you're getting them on to, to commit crimes. so i, i really with all due respect, don't want to talk about lindsey graham. well, i mean my budget, but scott, the point is that the, the, a washington establishment is giving cover for israel as usual. so it is a continuation of this policy because we'll talk a little bit about the i c c and this program. but it's the united states that gives israel cover from when it commits these kind of war crimes. that's was my only point, scott. so i, i understand your point by point is united states or so shallow with a critical, i mean, on the one hand, you know, i can't say i'd respect them, but at least i give a nod to their sincerity. if united states was sincere. alright, but lucy graham right now is choking in the blood lush that he has. but i can guarantee you that in a matter of days, if not weeks, the united states will be demanding that israel,

she could see spire. bring an end to this because we can't stomach the blood that won't be shit. it'd be that the truth of the matter is we should be basically that demand right now. we don't have what it takes to sit back and let israel do what it thinks it wants to do. and guys are, fortunately, israel can't do it either. i will tell you right now, it is real will. who is this war? now the palestinians are going to win this war because they're gonna be smarter, but is real low met achieving care about a cheap what it wants to achieve on the grid? oh god. yeah, the destruction of how much, but the slaughter is resolving the, the so called palestine question and, and, and of course when you look at the tab blades in western media, they're all for it is, i don't know what values they're talking about because i mean if this is a value then it's a civilization that is truly sick. i gotta say, you know, i want to ask you a question. and in light of the rhetoric that we've heard over the last few days,

what has happened to international humanitarian law? mean, if you've given you get a given what people are saying and what they're allowing in, in justifying israel then there is no such thing as humanity and law, at least for the palestinians. go ahead in liverpool a while. and thanks for the question, i mean, the socialist addressing the these situation, the kind of facilities on international new wanting to low means coastal looking at the context in which the of the facilities of the place of the work is taking place and the complex successful context saying that, you know, the legal completion of both of the west, the bank and notes, the guy that's the biggest thing i need to go based on according to the side of the body. so it would be that the nation in particular commission will be part of the un isn't said so they believe strongly international people. it will be to nationally my title. so we're thinking of accounting, see which of the located where they've got the suite, but it's already produce a number and also catastrophes. and i'm those guys who just too many times because

he's has to guys, he's one of the clients he sent back. we'll go ahead the solar wind around here. these are complex, in which there is already a long release toby into an old vocational thing dimension on your mind. kind of, i don't know, x i do the so q and as in the west bank of the central mass of biotech, last the biomass of each of the must see for our last, oh, cd. and so it was all thought to were doing it the visual, no conditional in relation to condition of the to ensure the legal world to be done by desire to solve it is and so, and destruction of a city that properties and a game release. the steel or by the goal. so these are the context of talking about to the complex heat. this app is already, it was, but then system, i think a talk against the body seen in cdns. why spend? see some of the top com and very dimensional? no means grimes the best, but it, but it's, it seems like a humana to an imaginary international law is only a tool for the enemies of the us. it doesn't apply it anywhere else. so give me

a call. if i could go back to you, i want to ask you preventative question into my, i'm not trying to um, uh, light anyone's hair on fire here. but did her mouse in gaza strip, you really have many options and i don't know and can justify the violence that some of these fighters have committed into their atrocities. and they should be held account for. but considering the political whim whims, i said i was gonna say wins, but it wins. it looked like that they felt they had no choice to make themselves heard. rico? well 1st of all, whether or not the policy or fighters committed atrocities i think is still is still unclear. i mean, a lot of there's a lot of rumors out there, many of them are being debunked, dragged out. so you don't know the full scope of, of, of a sudden you're, you're making reference to the be heading a babies. of course, this knowing that the story that was the bunk in the same day that spread go ahead . we've got several stories like that. so like i say, i'm not,

i'm not going to jump in and say, are they committed atrocities because that's not clear yet. now look as we both that i was all of us, i think you know how students engaged in, in, in, in mostly on, on resistance roberts for 75 years. i mean, the crime of the establishment of the state of israel that has the as obviously impacted all students that have been trying to resist it, like i said, mostly with on arm to me ends. but from time to time, obviously i think, and andre assistance in our the tack is to be expected, especially when you're living. and if you consider the, the conditions in the got strip. and so what did they have a choice of not have a choice. all students are killed and not only engaged in was backed by the way, but in the, in other parts of the, you know, throughout aust historic pastime. whether they stand up in the fight or whether they stay in their beds, it makes a difference of what killed and we've seen this particularly in gaza. so you know, sometimes they prefer to fight to get up and fight. and what we saw, even according to is really military and the generals and other i others reason we saw it was a brilliant military operation that caught israel completely off guard. and um,

so do they have a choice? of course not. israel puts in a position where they are because they're going to die anyway. so they might as well show and it was very clear, it was very, very clear that they had a very clear objective. this was not, and i'll say it is clear, this is not active terrorism. they have a very clear political objective, which is the release of policy, the prisoners, the pennsylvania, they're going in to take as many prisoners as they could so that they can then negotiate to free their own post in their prisoners. and these are all the jails, and hopefully there's a larger political um, there's a lot of political goal here for the past seniors, as, as you know, like i said earlier, negotiations will take place, of course is going to be a while. but when they do take place i, i'm very skeptical. uh that there is going to be negotiations. i, i think they see this as an opportunity to, to resolve the palestinian questions. i said scott, we have one minute before we go to the break. you know, you wait, there's about 2200000 people in the gaza strip and most of them are children. if they're children, that means the only thing they have known is living in

a prison camp and concentration camp. scott, i think we should reflect on the words of most of them, one of the founders of israel when he gave the eulogy to a right root bird who was murdered in 1956, a bunch neck, uh, who lived in a bush on the outskirts you guys are um, he didn't blame the guys. the blade is real. he said that every day that roy worked . he was stared out with a heat field. i just the guys had to looked at him. it recognized him and the rest of his rep for what they were occupiers stealing the land of their for fathers. i mean, the generation of palestinian youth raised up to day are the same as existed in 195060 seventy's eighty's by the in the early 2 thousands. it was a cycle. the beverage that i have to disagree with you peter, israel cannot defeat this. israel doesn't have the capacity to defeat this, but $300000.00 reserve is don't have the skill set that to master the for the, for to, to, to defeat this guy's a will with, as a huge,

huge cost gentleman. and we have to go to a hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the . i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings. except we're so shorter is it conflict with the 1st law? should we live in justification? we should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously, is to trace a trust rather than fit the various. i mean, with the artificial intelligence, we have somebody with the in the

robot must protect this phone. existence was on the phone. i think it was such seemed to move in a sweet bonus. i'm losing the sweet thoughts because of the stuff that goes to by itself. can you please tell me is that is the sticker for the music, and that's a gamble unless you're willing to order these voided. what 60 of know wouldn't be the one that you lazy automated room. there are still go new of deploying.

you have to assume the point choose between the restroom, got the volume 0, so as a whole bunch of frogs that's only for the, for the last place, the welcome back to proud software. all things are considered computer labelle too much . we're discussing palestine. the okay, let's go back to tennessee, you know, and in liverpool. oh yeah, there's a combined administration has gotten most of its allies into mimic the term o rules based order is israel. there's rule space order apply to israel and we are there in t. uh, entities, a legal entity. so can have ever held is real account for the atrocities that it's

committed, particularly against the palestinian people. i mean, nobody else what it is very seems was no. this isn't complex, which has to be starting to sell your site, your site, and this is a political issue. it's a lot a legal issue. i'm sorry to interrupt. go ahead. what is the only legal issue i mean, because the donation i know is clear. i mean eating policy simply obligation on the policies in both totally on the side as well and those on so the state piece and have the sort of se debowski has to deal with the nation. so they're going to got charged seats and obligation to both team police all don't cease to months, but like you to buy in the nation a little bit to can calling people to vote and then we'll see to be sent to those. he was an old ation of international and at least 4 months blinded to by international the way these are, the problem is that when it comes to be very promising on site team international community and that was very good and particular, western states do not have a big diamond, they are willing to maybe unable stream. glenn ment visa information

a little extra much. that's the reason why i strongly believe that these things do want to see stem decisions about any sort of international load dimensionally wanting to be able to think through these days. found it maybe we should a saw in these come and talk to me. they say it's very interesting, it applies for some and it doesn't apply to other the, obviously the double standard is there we go. we, let's look at the timing of all of this because, you know, a lot of the, the former president, united states on trump made a lot of, hey about the abraham accords. i, i've never been a very sympathetic towards them because it was giving israel everything they wanted, and at no cost the meaning the to disappear, the palestinians. do you think that there's the, there's a mazda taco, is related to that, because weeks before, was that saturday we, we were hearing that the saudis were a good close to about recognizing is real. and now that's all in tatters. is this

part of the same process mico? yes, i don't think there are any coincidences here, but i think uh the timing was, was right. it was also has exactly 50 years plus one day since the attacks of the $9070.00 as your october war. so, and of course the results are very similar, you know, his job was caught off guard and it was quite catastrophic for his, you know, because this is, this is much worse. you know, i want to go back to just something that was said earlier, you know, keep talking about the american allies and the less than words breaks, which is nice. the ending of acosta. and either all the countries and bricks have a great relations within the hour. great relations with israel. and nobody stepped again to support the costing and cost, which is why $1.00 of the reasons is or other so capable of doing whatever it wants and maintaining of this genocide approach towards the cost in it. so this goes far beyond the west. there's a, it's a good point. that's a good point. it's a very good one. i agree going on. it goes to the man you know, managed to,

to create a lions as well. as, of course, all the rich countries have a good relations. they buy weapons from is rid of, and uh, and beyond in africa, african countries as well as over 40 diplomatic machines in africa. they are working very hard in indonesia and malaysia. they've been boxed on and so far as in order to get normalization and that is succeeding. the hope is like you said, that as we heard the society foreign minister say as a result of this, of this attack of this attack by palestinian fighters. the talk to them as agents are on your very, your know, off the table, which is of course, a very good thing. and hopefully this will get somebody out there, at least the, the, the, the audience allies might be african countries, the countries, the muslims, and the muslim countries to come back to the party. the policy didn't cause to support them in a big way to do it, to demand sanctions, to demand, you know, and to, to provide community to israel and so on. so i mean, to apply real pressure to bring down the, to part time energy. one would hope that this would inspire that we don't know for sure, but of course the savvy, this example is a very,

very good one. so we've got both that, you know, and attempt to then all my vision talks with, with, with this attack and also to, to show, once again the, that the midst of these really military, the light of these are, there is just a myth. and the might of these really intelligence apparatus which also showed itself to be completely completely bankrupt, you know, are both minutes. and i think this is a very important lesson there. once again, we were taught by a handful of well trained, well discipline, the prostate and go to the fighters by the way, live in train, in one of the course places on earth, which is the guys a strip. so there's a very important lessons here. i think that we would just stop by the postings. yeah. and, and scott, that's good. yeah. it's talk about what, what victory means. what defeat means. i think that's the, all it's a mantic difference between us here. um there's also obviously talk of this conflict expanding. i'm thinking, of course it has the law and you use a phrase that i've stolen it from you cuz i really like it military math. so do you

think that has below looking at the military math is deciding which way to go because, um, uh they have that it has lots of lots of the same. it was 20 years ago, ne, in and then of course the, the, the, the americans are least, many americans blaming you around for all of this. i mean, the enemies are lining up here. do you think it's possible this could expand? go ahead, scott. and there is a different, a number of possibilities, especially given israel's will proven tendency to overreact. um, but i will say this. i firmly believe that those bullets does not want to be involved. the wrong does not want to be involved. the scope and scale of what her mazda did was not intended to create a, a regional conflict. you wish to achieve a palestinian victory. they get a victory of what cost. it doesn't matter because students have been dying for decades, the depth of destruction was never going to end the how mazda is bringing this to

it, that they've humiliated these really military humiliated yahoo! humiliated b b is really intelligence apparatus all. how much has to do to when this survive, and they will survive just like all his blood had to do in 2006. when was survive, hezbollah does it need to be drag this, the raw? does it need to be drag this, the how mouse victory is? are sure. unfortunately, as you pointed out, it's going to come with the cost of many, many thousands of innocent palestinians, us citizens. but they were going to die in any way, shape either die a physical death, or a more in depth stuck in this open air concentration camp. so how much has done them a favor by making their deaths mean something? yeah, i'd like to point out to our viewers. i mean, right after the, the hostility started israel announced a blockade, but the blockade has been in existence since 2007. i mean,

they made it ever advertise. it is something new. let's go back to our guests in liver pool, one of the by didn't ministration, is kind of whispering that they might, may, i mean, they agree with uh, no, no negotiations went behind the scenes are saying, maybe a humanitarian core door to allow the people of guys out which is on the face of it, you know, that sounds like that might be a solution here. but it, but it also means if you were to force the guys and out like into egypt, for example, they would never be able to return again, solving the palestine problem. is that legal? wonder international law go ahead in liberal as well so. so please allow me before going the to the square, see on the to seems you to use a doctor's thoughts as before. i was just basically going to mention that when i was mentioning the sound, that was not the same thing or the 2 states, all the international community, also sort of things international. and that means ations in particular in this case the international females caused there is an open investigation or maybe

a tc open up by the phone and prosecute the bios and situation i was seems a little closer to talk to coffee. so the biggest box that's coming on the new 2021 . know so you can use it going to progress has been done. mean the situation that the, you know, in these days as being a completely silent, you know that something was putting these by to the board and see over the okay. so with the ability to establish that the prosecutor condition. so all the preventive states might select the deposit components of the situation. so i'm seeing that like we have more the building of the situation. we to investigate totally serious validation of international money available. so these assignments in these context see, so he's a show can always of the question whether he's leaving most i'm able to say something human police, you a single statement. what's happened? you know, they show to your. ready question on the money to cause we want to call the dog again is not the political, the choice of states of decent obligation on the international new money. tell me a little preventing your money by the end of the lease,

but you say seat is of l national international in the one of the and my mom's those what, what kind of like to watch. i don't like, you know, when it always comes to be the palestinians, it seems like no one's obligated to do anything that's but that's the tragedy of all of this here. let me go back to mika, we're rapidly running out of time. so these, do you see a land invasion because, you know, we're all we're told on the one hand, you know, they're, they're casual here, adverse, but that would be a very heavy casualty event for all sides mico. the user will not dare put boots on the ground. the guy is a strict. they learn to 2014, that their fighters are inferior to the policy and fighters, and they paid a very heavy price in 2014 for putting boots on the ground. they've got the strip and they don't need to that far, but you know, fire power for up for the taking the conflicts from the air and so far so they won't dare put their stuff, put boots on ground indigo strip, excuse me. and they're accomplishing their goals anyway. i mean,

they don't need the, you know, they're accomplishing their goal is by the they want destruction and for destruction. you don't need to put boots on a row so they don't need to. and even if they needed to they wouldn't they wouldn't dare. and we've seen this since 2014 and then nicko. they their, their stated objective is they're getting rid of a moss so that, that is a moot point if they're not going to put boots on the ground unless they want to level every single building and kill every single person, mika. and that's great, that's been the state of georgia for very long time, and it's not working and it's not going to work this time either. you're not going to get or of how much i'm going to get rid of. our students are not going to get rid of any, but i'll sit in a particular group this, you know, from us or any other group. it's not about that. they make these statements because it's for internal video. the statements are made for television, really politics. and again, the palestinians are still fighting in, in settlements in the south settlements around talestine. i mean, around the strip fighting is still going on. the stands is still open and the fighters are still going in and out and bringing recruiting. okay,

what do i want to give scott the last 30 seconds ago? scott, and i agree with everything you need to just set up. israel is been making a lot of noise. this noise is for domestic political consumption that it was a failed leader. is trying to use this tragedy to you know, fortify his political stance. this war will end a disaster, or it is real for these really people for the palestinian people. it will be a victory for a much. okay gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in washington del mar and in liverpool. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember, prospect rules the the known in vietnam, american war, the vietnam war. last,

it's almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any time. now you don't see it now, why it's all on the empty hundreds of thousands of american troops who was sent to the country to back the south vietnamese on me. i got the not, but the american soldiers mooted resistors. most of us like the down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and li bye. all right. did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yes. yes, and that's the way it's too late

to the senior meeting. dan can stand by and pick out a report from jerusalem and across the world web pro palestinian bodies are taking place in the so called bay of raged against these ready bombing of gather these up packing down on demonstrations in some cities the you this ethical firms at least 447 policy need children killed in these ready ass twice as a world have organization says television supported to evacuate hospitals and gather the death sentence for some patients.