as it is fast, can you see through they're allusions going underground? can the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter live out newton, yahoo! tell us by and we have to go into gaza and rules out negotiations in turn. fighting says we stand with israel, we stand with israel. so it's clear piece isn't the 1st priority. but it's also on the agenda is potential genocide,

the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, scott ritter in del mar. he's a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector in washington . we have michel lead. he is in is really american activist and the author. and in liverpool, we have for us to be no marinello. he is a professor of law at liverpool. john moore is university, as well as a member of the legal team, representing jobs have victims before the i, c c. hi gentlemen. comstock rules and effects. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate rico if i can go to you 1st in washington. we know that the israeli prime minister is been talking with joe biden, joe biden, to address the nation, saying that the united states stands with his really was and fighting in panic about that. and then, you know, he's made it very clear that there's going to be no negotiations and that can come off as an organization and is individuals must be destroyed. what is that about? how well, how is this get to a resolution to the conflict?

because none of that does that go ahead of the question. i mean, there's no question. negotiations are going to be coming up at some point eventually, if for no other reason, none of the costing or fires banners to get a you know, regular up as early as the prisoners out in the gaza strip, including senior officer as of the idea asked. so there's no question that that the shows movies haven't got put into the i want to do was to boost the key bombing and killing innocent palestinians, hoping that that will put him in a better negotiating position. and also to exact revenge because he's behaving the baby like a gangster has been humiliated now. he's got a ticket out on somebody, so he's taking it out on costing isn't guys of the fact that joe biden is supporting this, of course only makes them an accomplice. to this massive crime against humanity, this really everybody's using the term genocide and then i think it's, it's by appropriate this wholesale murder, accosted in the past, and it isn't causing the 2nd guys up. and by the way, what's,

what's interesting is that they're not stopping the fighters in inside uh, you know, they're going in and out. oh god, they're continuously in the fighting is still continuing. and so these are all these elements themselves. and so anyhow, is not going to accomplish anything at the end of the day is going to have to say to the palestinians. and he is going to have to come up with some kind of an agreement draw if he's not going to see the prisoners back. and you know, we know the prisoners are the heart of both sides and you know, both his relatives care about, the prisoners that were taking, taken alcohol. citizens want their own political prisoners released from, from jail. yeah. but, you know, given the rhetoric and we have right now, i know, and you know it's, it's a people are, have very high temper, is that the temperature is very, very high. i get it. people are made of wanting that to be the case. so we can say the most extreme things, and if you can say the most extreme things, maybe you'll start doing extreme things. so is scott, i mean, if you look at the rhetoric, you know, will coming out of washington primarily, be lindsey graham's and these folks here, right now they want blood and they're certainly going to get it. um so i mean it

seems like ethnic cleansing is perfectly fine with washington because it seems perfectly fine with with the tel aviv scott in the 1st. well let's understand that lindsey graham doesn't speak for is rob. sure. these really is right now. are happy with what he same is, words are absolutely totally meaningless. of israel doesn't need to be go to dog committed warcraft. they've been committing work crimes against the population of guns up for decades. they don't need, you know, this purpose pompadour prove your trends as, uh, you're getting them on to, to commit crimes. so i, i really with all due respect, don't want to talk about lindsey graham. well, i mean, my budget, but it's gotten to the point, is that the, the washington establishment is giving cover for israel as usual. so it is a continuation of this policy because we'll talk a little bit about the i c c in this program. but it's the united states that gives israel cover from when it commits these kind of war crimes. that's was my only

point, scott. so i, i understand your point by point is united states is so shallow with a critical, i mean on the one hand, you know, i can't say i'd respect them, but at least i'd give a nod to their sincerity if united states was sincere already. but lucy graham right now is choking in the blood lush that he has. but i can guarantee you that in a matter of days, if not weeks, the united states will be demanding that israel seek a ceasefire. bring an end to this because we can't stomach the blood that won't be shit. it'd be the truth of the matter is we should be basically that demand right now. we don't have what it takes to sit back and let israel do what it thinks it wants to do. and guys of, fortunately, israel can't do it either. i will tell you right now, it is real. will lose this war. now the palestinians aren't going to win this war because they're gonna be smarter. but israel will know that she even care about a cheap what it wants to achieve on the grid. oh god. yeah,

the destruction of how much, but the slaughter is resolving the, the so called palestine question and, and, and of course when you look at the tabloids in western media, they're all for it is, i don't know what values they're talking about because i mean if this is a value then it's a civilization that is truly sick. i gotta say, you know, i want to ask you a question in, in light of the rhetoric that we've heard over the last few days. what has happened to international humanitarian law? i mean, if you've given you get to given what people are saying and what they're allowing and, and justifying israel, then there is no such thing as humanity in law, at least for the palestinians. go ahead in liverpool, i was saying sort of the question, i mean the social is addressing this situation, the kind of possibilities upon international new monetary, low means postal. looking at the context in which the, the, the opportunities of taking place of the work is taking place and the complex

successful context saying that, you know, the legal to be shown on both of the west, the bank and the. ready the guy that's the big thing, i mean, to go based on the contract to be signed by the so with united nation in particular commission will be part of the un isn't said. so they built a sort of international in particular of internationally my title. so we're thinking of accounting team, we should have located where they've got the suite pencil really produce and number and also catastrophes and all those guys who just wanted to because he's has to guys, he's one of the clients you sent back. we'll go ahead. so want to be here, these are context in which data is already long. the lease told me into an organizational holding dimension, or even wanting to know x i to be. so q and it's in the west bank of the central mass of biotech lapse of biomass. well, i'll be to the must see for us to or cd young. so use of thought to were doing it the visual. no conditional knowing the condition of the to ensure the legal to be

adopted by the lady to solve it is and so, and destruction of a city that properties. and again, the list is still available. so these are the context of talking about of the complex. you just have piece already. and wines, but then system, i think a talk against the policy and cdns. what spends the symbolic on top of the trial? no means crimes the best best but it, but it's, it seems like a humana, and medicare and international law is only a tool for the enemies of the u. s. it doesn't apply it anywhere else. okay? because if i could go back to you, i want to ask you a provocative question into my. i'm not trying to a light anyone's hair on fire here, but did her mouse in gaza strip. you really have many options and i don't know and can justify the violence that some of these fighters have committed that to their atrocities. and they should be held account for. but considering the political whim whims, i said i was gonna say wins, but it wins. it look like that,

they felt they had no choice to make themselves heard, nico? well, 1st of all, whether or not the policy or fighters committed atrocities, i think it still is still unclear. i mean, a lot of there's a lot of rumors out there. many of them are being bumped, dragged out, so you don't know the full scope of, of, of a sudden you're, you're making reference to, they'd be heading a babies. of course, not the story that the story that was the bunk and the same day there spread, go ahead, you go to several stories like that. so like i say, i'm not, i'm not going to jump in and say, yeah, they committed atrocities because that's not clear yet. and i look as we both that i was all of us. i think you know, how students of engage and, and in mostly on, on resistance roberts, for 75 years, i mean the crime of the establishment of the state of israel that has the as obviously impacted cost savings that have been trying to resist it. like i said, mostly with on arm to me is about from time to time. obviously i think an under assistance in our and the task is to be expected, especially when you're living and if you consider the conditions in the got strip.

and so what, what would the, they have a choice of not have a choice. all students are killed, not only engaged in, was backed by the way, but in the not going in other parts of the, you know, throughout officer starts outside. whether they stand up and fight or whether they stay in their beds, it makes a difference of what killed and we've seen this particularly in gaza. so you know, sometimes they prefer to fight to get up and fight. and what we saw, even according to, is rarely military. i am the generals and other i of this reason we saw it was a brilliant military operation that caught israel completely off guard. and um, so uh, do they have a choice of, of course not. israel puts in a position where they are because they're going to die anyway. so they might as well show up and it was very clear, it was very, very clear that they had a very clear objective. this was not, and i'll say it is clear, this is not active terrorism. they have a very clear political objective which is the release of cost in prisoners. so they knew they were going in to take as many prisoners as a good so that they can to negotiate, to free their own cost in new prisoners is really jail. that hopefully there's

a larger political. um, there's a lot of political goal here for the past seniors, as, as you know, like i said earlier, negotiations will take place. of course it's going to be a while, but when they do take place i, i'm very skeptical. uh that there's going to be negotiations i, i think they see this as an opportunity to, to resolve the palestinian questions. i said scott, we have one minute before we go to the break. you know, you wait, there's about 2200000 people in the gaza strip, and most of them are children at their children. that means the only thing they have known is living in a prison camp and concentration camp. scott, i think we should reflect on the words of most of them, one of the founders of israel, when he gave the eulogy to write ruth burge, who was murdered in 1956 o'clock to bunch nick, uh, who lived in the bush on the outskirts you guys, um he didn't blame the guys that she believed is real. he said that every day that roy worked, he was stared out with a hate filled i just the guys had to looked at him and recognized him and the rest

of his real for what they were occupiers stealing the land of their forefathers. i mean, the generation of palestinian youth raised up today are the same as existed in 1950, 60708090 in the early 2, thousands. it was a cycle. the beverage that i have to disagree with you peter, israel cannot defeat this. israel doesn't have the capacity to defeat this. the $300000.00 reserve is don't have the skill set that to master the for the, for to, to, to defeat this guy's up will, with a huge, huge cost gentleman. and we have to go to a hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the

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to see if i remember those last place. the welcome back. to proud software, all things are considered computer isabel too much were discussing palestine. the okay, let's go back to tennessee though, and a liberal pull. oh, this big binding ministration has gotten most of its allies to mimic the term o rules based order. is israel, this rule space order apply to israel and we are there in t, uh, entities, a legal entities who can have ever held is real account for the atrocities that it's committed, particularly against the palestinian people. i mean, you know, the, that's what it is. very simple. you know, this is

a complex which has to be starting to sell your site, your site, and this is a political issue. it's not a legal issue. i'm sorry to interrupt. go ahead. what is the only legal issue i mean, because the donation of know is clear. meeting policy simply obligation on the policy both currently on the side as well and those on so the state of decent, i have the sort of the faith deposit the has the organization. so they're going to charge seats and obligation to both team police on don't cease 2 months. but why do the bank the nation a little bit to can calling people to the board, connect to the affinities into those. he was the motivation of international and the eastern, much belie need to buy international law. and these are the, the problem is that when it comes to the policy on site team, international community in the, in particular, western states do not have a big dent. they are willing to maybe, i mean, most between glen meant visa information a little extra much. that's the reason why i strongly believe that this intuitive c stem, the series of every sort of international about the mission. i want to kind of a little we have see things to these days, found

a baby the teacher saw in these come and talk to me. and it says very interesting. it applies the assignment, it doesn't apply to other the, obviously the double standard is there. we go with, let's look at the timing of all of this because, you know, and the, the former president, united states on trump made a lot of, hey about the abraham records i, i've never been a very sympathetic towards them because it was giving israel everything they wanted to do at no cost, the meaning the test disappear, the palestinians. do you think that that's the, that's how i'm also taco is related to that, because weeks before, uh that saturday we, we were hearing that the saudis were a good close to help by oh, recognizing is real and now that's all in tatters. is this part of the same process? make a yes, i don't think there any coincidence is here. i think uh the timing was was right.

it was also has exactly 50 years plus one day since the attacks of the $9070.00 through october war. so, and of course the results are very similar, you know, his job was caught off guard and it was quite catastrophic for his, you know, because this is, this is much worse. you know, i want to go back to just something that was said earlier, you know, keep talking about the american allies and the less than what was bricks, bricks is nice, anyhow, for costa and either all the countries and bricks have great relations within the outbreak relations with israel and nobody stepped again to support the cost and the costs, which is why $1.00 of the reasons is the so capable of doing whatever it wants and maintaining of this genocide approach towards the cost in it. so this goes far beyond the west. there's a, it's a good point, that's a good point. it's a very good one and a great deal going on. it goes to the man and, you know, managed to, to create a lions as well. as, of course, all the rich countries have a good relationship. they buy weapons from is rid of, and uh, and beyond in africa, african countries as well as over 40 diplomatic missions in africa. they are

working very hard in indonesia and malaysia. they've been boxed on and so forth in order to get normalization and they're succeeding. but the hope is, like you said, that as we heard the, the saudi foreign minister say, as a result of this, of this attack of this attack by posted in fighters. the talk to them lies. agents on your, your know, off the table, which is of course, a very good thing and hopefully this will get some of the other please. the, the, the, the obvious allies might be african countries, the higher countries, the muslims, and the muslim countries to come back to the party defaulting and cause the support to me in a big way to make do it, to demand sanctions, to demand. you know, i ended up going back in new jersey to israel and so on. so i mean to apply real pressure to bring down the, to part time, energy one with the hope that this would inspire that we don't know for sure. but of course, the savvy design example is a very, very good one. so we've got both that you know, and attempt to the normalization tasks with, with, with this attack and also to, to show, once again the, that the midst of these really military,

the might of these are, there is just a missed and a might of these are all the intelligence apparatus, which also showed itself to be completely completely bankrupt, you know, are both minutes. and i think there's a very important lesson there. once again, we were taught by a handful of, well trained, well discipline. the pals didn't go to the fighters by the way, lydia been trained in one of the course places on earth, which is the guy is a strip. so there's a very important lessons here. i think that we were just stopped by the boston and . yeah, and, and scott, that's good. yeah, it's talk about what would victory means would defeat means? i think that's the all it's a mantic difference between us here. um there's also obviously talk of this conflict expanding. i'm thinking of course it has the law and you use a phrase that i've stolen it from you because i really like it military math. so do you think that has gl uh, looking at the military math is deciding which way to go because, um, uh they have that has the law as a lot of the same. it was 20 years ago, ne, in. and then of course the, the, the, the americans are least,

many americans blaming you around for all of this. i mean, the enemies are lining up here. do you think it's possible this could expand? go ahead. scott. there is a different, a number of possibilities, especially given these rules will proven tendency to overreact. um, but i will say this. i firmly believe that eligible does not want to be involved. the wrong does not want to be involved. the scope and scale of what her mazda did was not intended to create a, a regional conflict. you wish to achieve a palestinian victory. they get a victory of what cost. it doesn't matter, because students have been dying for decades, the death of destruction was never going to end the how mazda is bringing this to a head. they should 1000000 these really military humiliated yahoo! humiliated

b b is really intelligence apparatus. all. how much has to do to when is survive and they will survive just like all his blood had to do with 2006. when was survive, hezbollah does it need to be drag this erode? does it need to be drag this, the how mouse victory is? are sure. unfortunately, as you pointed out, it's going to come with the cost of many, many thousands of innocent palestinians, us citizens. but they were going to die in any way, shape either die, a physical bed or a more in depth stuck in this open air concentration camps. so how much has done them a favor by making their deaths mean something? yeah, i'd like to point out to our viewers. i mean, right after the, the hostility started israel announced a blockade, but the blockade has been in existence since 2007. i mean, they made it ever advertise. it is something new. let's go back to our guest and river pool. one of the biden administration is kind of whispering that they may, may, i mean, they agree with uh, no,

no negotiations. but behind the scenes are saying maybe a humanitarian court or to allow the people of guys out which is on the face of it . you know, that sounds like that might be a solution here. but it, but it also means if you were to force the guys and out like into egypt, for example, they would never be able to return again, solving the palestine problem. is that legal, wonder international law. go ahead and let her pull as well. so, so please allow me before going to to the square, see on the, to, since you until you stop, it starts us before i was just to be for the going to mention that where was mentioning the sound that's was not of the same thing on the 2 states, so the international community also sort of things international gains, ations, in particular in this case to meet the mission of treatment and cost. there is an open investigation for media to see open up by the phone and prosecute the ballast and situation. one of those things, so they don't do a secure talk to coffee. so the biggest box that's coming conley, new, 2021. know. so you can use

a gun to progress has been done. mean the situation that those are doing these days as being a completely silent, you know, they come from what's happening these by to the board and see over the over the, some of the prosecutors establishing the particular condition. so all the preventive states might select the deposit components, the situation, something like we have monitoring of the situation. we to investigate totally serious validation of international in the morning time. hello. so these assignments in these context see, so he's a show, can you raise the question whether he's, i'm leaving most, i'm able to say something you meant. we should a single statement of what happened. you know, they show to your question on the money to because we monitored because we don't, again, this is not the political choice of state to be sent. obligation on the international new money. i know preventing your money by the end of the lease. but you say seat is of l national, international money. and my mom, those are what kinds your like to know. i don't, i, you know, i, when it always comes to be the palestinians, it seems like no one's obligated to do anything that's but that's the tragedy of

all of this. here. let me go back to mika. we're rapidly running out of time. but these, do you see a land invasion because, you know, we're all we're told on the one hand, you know, they're, they're casual. he had adverse, but that would be a very heavy casualty event for all sides. mika, it is, it will not dare put loose on the ground, the guys of strep, they learned in 2014, that their fighters are inferior to the policy and fighters, and they paid a very heavy, reprice in 2014 for putting boots on the ground. they've got the strip and they don't need to that far, but no fired power for up for the they can the conflicts from the air and so far so they won't dare put their stuff, put boots on ground indigo strip, excuse me. and they're accomplishing their goals anyway. i mean, they don't need the, you know, they're accomplishing their goals by the they want destruction and for destruction . you don't need to put boots on around so they don't need to. and even if they needed to they wouldn't they wouldn't dare. and we've seen that since 2014 on the

nicko they they're, they're stated objective is they're getting rid of a moss so that, that is a moot point if they're not going to put boots on the ground unless they want to level every single building and kill every single person, mika, and that's great, that's been the state of georgia for a long time, and it's not working. and it's not going to work this time either. you're not going to get or of, of how much i'm going to get rid of our students. and not going to get rid of any, but i'll see it in a particular group this you know, from us or any other group. it's not about that. they make these statements because it's for internal. the statements are made for television, really politics. and again, the palestinians are still fighting in, in settlements in the south settlements around talestine. i mean, around the guy, the strip fighting is still going on. the stands is still open in the fighters are still going in and out and bringing recruiting. okay, kind of what i want to give scott the last 30 seconds ago, scott and i agree with everything you need to just set up. israel is been making a lot of noise. this noise is for domestic political consumption. that it was

a failed leader. is trying to use this tragedy to you know, fortify his political stance. this moral ended the disaster for his real, for these really people, for palestinian people, it will be a victory for him. us. okay gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest in washington del mar and in liverpool. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time. remember, prospect rules the the, the out probably her mother's us the store. okay. the model girl to i got you. no problem seem to them out of the thing. 30 minutes. yeah, side of the drive i showed my brother through he was sudden to hoping for

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in a c, 98, the pleasure rica became a us colony, but still retain its own cultural identity and speak in favor of independence or to be thrown into prison today, close to health. it's population lived in, grow the residence of puerto rico, have new representation in congress, and convert and u. s. presidential elections. like okay, we're gonna make you american citizens, which you didn't ask for, even if we were offered citizenship with had and we would prefer like once again, it was in his twenties, he chose defiance that he's homelands, independence. we felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resistance rather than of submissive except a reality that we fell asleep. shot fear, my sorry that i decided to fight for my country. no, not could i have done things differently. yes, absolutely. do i now think the violence is not the means to achieve anything? absolutely.

the ones that list is killed as an international group of reports is, comes on the is verify it across the board and 11. and some of the colleagues say the attack could amount to a war crime. also this our community of 0 votes of dubious living across the world as pro palestinian while these take place and the sole cold day of outrage against. because very plumbing of does the police track down on demonstrations in some citizen the policy and you know, ministry concerns, at least to 614 children are killed. and these really strikes the world. health