the the i'm action retents and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. there's only one story. the world is focused on. it threatens not only 2300000 people in the besieged gaza strip off of the children, but global energy stability in the both of any new world order being born through brick so well that might consign decades of nature nation violence to history. let's go straight to a member of the palestinian legislative council. documents of about gucci. he's general secretary and co founder of the palestinian national initiative and joins me from ramallah in the west bank. i don't know whether it is a besieged westbank,

the doctor about goosey obviously our hearts go out to the palestinians. this as well as these rarely civilians in this terrible uh week. but let's just begin with why you think joe biden use the white house to spread unsubstantiated claims, even the adf distance itself from the claim. and it said it was had to be corrected by the los angeles times it. and it was in every newspaper in britain on the front page. is that how my said, the headed 40 babies? it's a big lie and they keep repeating lies. but that's not funny. i was fine. and um, money through lifting the media and money through lifting the stories. and in my opinion, what we see here is uh, systematic with land sort of campaign to demonize, not only how mouse but to the human eyes on the listing and people. and this is

a very dangerous my time. i do think that what we go through now as published in young people is the worst time i'm the most dangerous time since 1941 is there and conducted ethnic cleansing together. 70 percent of the 1st thing that people and the goal is not only to do human eyes, but this thing is what, what is me is the 3 things that are being done to us. now complete the siege on guys are depriving people, including to turn that into a more data from metal, from the fluids that are medications or medicines. and then the strikes that are not to disagree, minutes and dr. to people killing children, women's man. more than 400 children, hundreds of children slowed up by these strikes. and in addition to that, the gland to estimate, click lens, ballast to me. and some goes through these out about 3 that actions of what's

happening today and to, to justify all of that. that is, there is, i'm damage because unfortunately, you have to get the engaging in the process of the organizational students. i want to explore that in more detail. as of the blinking jo biden's, the secretary of state, the former west exec uh, pen to can uh contract, a consultant. he said when he arrived in tel aviv, what separates israel, the usa and other democracies when it comes to difficult situations like this is our israel and the usa is respect for international law and the laws of war. how do you think he was able to say that given footage, even on us a media showing them vast number of civilian casualties and deaths? i didn't, i just states has a very clear coat. i'm not one of the united states about money, wisdom governments, and the last 70 years is that it's

a disrespect of international law when it comes to ballasting. initial not telling me that my posts are using the standard. one of the most obvious examples of the start of the or is what the, what they do in ukraine, sending more than $224000000000.00 of money equipment, military tax planes, something that means whatever. i'm claiming and saying that this is because you claim is fighting go to patient. and i lot of case the i've sending go and is these aircrafts and very heavy and bumps is one of which that makes them destroy the whole neighborhood. 1111 bunk and they, and, and they say that the doing that supporting local buying in ones goes, declaimed out of fighting submission. and, and another case, they are supporting the q buyers that are these who have been able to buying us in

the us, the bank. and as i stood by these jewels and ever since 56 years, this is the longest occupation in modern history. and not only that to have ethnically cleansed palestinians in the 1948. so there isn't a clear example of this this with respect to for international law. and this double standard, unfortunately, is used course them see if they do, you need respect to the international law. this would have responded to a good that are said, the secret, the united nations. who said that the decision guys a step in this one a and depriving people from wood or electricity for an incident on medicine is nothing but a violation of international law. and the human rights which declared clearly in response to what does, what are the defense minister said when they said that pedestrians out of human

animals, they said that what he said was disgusting. but most of them that it was baby and good old or water crimes. to be committed, i guess, by this thing and people, yes, hear you i have going on when we're going to meet with entity blinked, and when he was in israel. but you know, antonio guitar is also condemned to, i'm us for, for what it did as well. and when you talk about the occupation, we've seen time and time again global. so countries defeat the united states on goods for vietnam. perhaps. what, what do you believe is the strategy of the i'm us government in the gaza? i mean, there is state now technically because it's rarely declared war gone, declared war and the terrorist outfits. as it was something i circled mainstream media and agent agency, what you have missed. but other than that, what is the strategy? is it a just dual sacrifice? the lives of everyone in gaza because things are and have been so bad since

the siege began in 20 o 7. i can speak on behalf of her mouth, but i can tell you the following festival day in the is it our lives of declaring war on people on ok? you'll find the book because there is no state. and guys does i know q by 33? exactly. like those to bang on the plaza and the certain kinds of occupation decisions by c one to buy and buy land. and. ready declaring good on people the to, to buy is something that's never happened and i think so, you know, during history and so now that of my relation, that is there and is do right. but even if it's a war, then there's an accept, the fact that the prison most of the time us to and there isn't any prisoners on prisoners. and for initial 3, it's about a student in prison knows india,

james as prisoners and for but they don't do that, surely palestinian resistance groups. and there are many, it's not just how much that were involved in this recent taken in violence. they must have some strategy surely. uh or did they? yeah, i believe or i believes 2 things happened. that is because it's becoming more clear . now. festival, why did her my start this, this, this i think and before the what time was did. and not only because we got on the q patient on the system most are palletized, that is much less than the prototype system that prevent the south africa. and when i say outside, not only my opinion, it's just open. you know, if i'm just international human rights lords, as well as even the, is it any human rights organization, which is why do dispatch to bid salem? these are the roots of the conflict and, and how much was not 250 years ago on 45 years ago or 40 years ago. at that time

the it was piano that was described, dustin noticed, actually anybody that has this book to patient is quote that or just i understand. but what, what is the military. busy author of oregon, i think of what it was preceded, this attack is the following. during the last day as mazda. is it a ottoman and isn't it? it isn't less than $240.00 other students in the west back, including for the pictures that are and continued the title of settlers. the said blood instead or under the supervision and supported control of the army, went as far as bedding, downs, building houses, bitten in cars like has happened in a lot of the messiah, we had to buy it. no, we. the citizens whose houses were bandwidth. american citizens palestinian american citizens. i don't think we started by the end is paying attention to them anyhow. in addition to that, do with the constant that tax on docs almost on muslim holy sites as well as

christian or the sites are listing. as christians was split up by as an early settlers we've seen, but a vocation of the location taking place. apparently what you're saying is, is really important context. but then are you saying these resistance groups fell into a trap? nothing. yahoo was provoking them. and sure enough, they fell into his trap because we suddenly hear from seymour hersh, the great investigative journalist that of that. and yeah, who knew something like this was going to happen and let it happen according to his intelligence. so since it is quite as possible and what is the shopping is that i've started that that happened. the guys are both of those. there was no. is it early on me in the bridge? and for the more than 6 hours, you know, this is an error, which usually does not even allow a fly to fly into is it or, and without immediate action. what happened there? why did this stay silent?

why did they, they did nothing. in my opinion, i don't want to go into conspiracy theories now, but i can tell you that nathaniel, who did something 3 weeks ago, i think almost 3 weeks ago when he is told in the united nations in front of the old was in the assembly of that structure to that. so the, the guardian of international, the united nations and the flag goes, then you want me, the least would he come out of the country is that he will, he will normalize with in green and didn't have tab. is it or linda center and blue color and uh, showing the 0. and it was um, is it or that is i mixing all of the 2 by it was bang next in the golan heights. and unexplained guys are stripped. a lot of times it was no fighting guys or at that time is that it was still claiming that the guys uh, is not able to buy it. and that is there and has left you guys

a showing i'm the next is north west bank and gaza, in my opinion, is very indicative of the plan of the elf, what you wanted to do. and it's the same time the most belong to violation of international go. i don't agree, none of those done governments including today. and i have to say it's going to decide that to me i have except one government at the time, which is your money every. my dad stayed silent. and in my opinion, he is now using what's happening to implement that lab plan that's, that's mapped. and the most dangerous thing is that they are trying to best buy this thing is out of guys are into an actual ethnic cleansing duty themes. what happened to 1948 is it is yours that with young people out as it goes. is it your understanding that the circle of mainstream media in west and native nations talking about isis repeating the talking points,

the so called has borrowed from the that the government. they're comparing a mazda isis, is your understanding that the as himself treated isis patients in the golan heights. ok, bye golden heights during the war on syria? yes. what is that americans also are dealing with isis before they turn against them? of course we have that as well known and he nothing you know, am centralized, provide didn't give any possible support to, to, to these people because they were fighting the city and government documents of about goods. you, i'll stop you that more from the general secretary and co founder of the palestinian national initiative, a member of the palestinian legislative council, locked in his break. the clint yahoo tells by and we have to go into gaza and rules out negotiations in terms fighting says we stand with israel, we stand with israel. so it's clear piece isn't the 1st priority. what is also on

the agenda is potential genocide. the, the welcome back to going undergrad and i'm still here with the member of the palestinian legislative council. the most of a biography, i'm sorry to have interrupted you. the just discontinue you were talking about the

oslo accords, which i have to say pretty discredited amongst uh, many palestinians around the world today. but i was sort of sad because because there were many mistakes and then but the most important issue here and about that then you know, is that to you don't the whole book in 1994 called the police under the sun in which she, i, tabitha, also attacked any possibility of peace with palestinians. i'm denied 1st against that. i have to have a state. and then he was elected as prime minister elizabeth 1996 and killed the peace process. he did everything, i mean, the input options, of course we didn't shut on, was empower and on model for the why. but this man has to be in the prime minister, mainly because they're in all these 16 years. and he did everything to kill unable stability of a peaceful resolution, because his doctor's name is not the listing and states his doctor is unexplained. the ok by 30 please. and now what he said is that all the listing is in guys,

i must evict their homes. where to go to the sea is really that is focus just on, on that point. and i think many would say it's not just net yahoo, it's as you know, well, structures within these riley society rather than some cala hill solution for individuals that we had talking about. why do you, would it help if egypt opened the crossing? i know it was bombed soon off to what you just said when that yahoo said leave gaza as if there was a way to leave. because what, what do you see is your role of interest as to whether he is a conspiracy between nothing, you know, and unfortunately this american administration, which is behaving in my opinion and it will tell you how responsible them on a because not anyhow, said people. so they figured their homes that military sports, but some also not then, you know, came out and said, as a city and guys, why should they make their arms and goes to egypt. this became the headline of the

senate few days ago. and then stood. it can be the support special knows that medical defense ministry sped, that there should be a human stadium, couldn't do it with egypt, but only in one direction to egypt. so what do we see here? it's a tool gonna spit i seem to keep bombarding. people in gaza, keep bombarding them. i'm kilograms data on event, and they've actually goes through to egypt, creating one of the worst ethnic cleansing in the 21st. okay, so we've given, given to 1000000 people, given this conspiracy that you allege, given your red quote over the decades of fighting for the un security council resolutions that guarantee a peace and justice for about a city and people. and we've seen ads and he blinking in their bodily ministration, administer what maybe half a 1000000 dead in ukraine is. they pulled weapons into the last ukranian and the

fight against russia is only an attack on the demona nuclear weapon system in israel. the possibility that open some kind of attempted saving the population of gods and because you're only using to be intimating they will wipe out 2300000 people with the european union, british and american weapons. i don't know, but this is very serious. so what's happening is very serious, if people and guys, uh, evicted to egypt because they will never be allowed to come back. and the age of this will even letting them in a yeah, is a loan. and that isn't. that's not going to happen. it shouldn't. yeah, of course it shouldn't because and what we need is a humanitarian go to door to so that would, and, and fuel and electricity and water medicine would come to guys are, you know, i am, i'm in the experiment. i know you'll be,

you're not even expecting that to happen because you've just outlined the fact that nothing yahoo has grand plans as the structures and is rarely society. why do you still put this hope that they're going to suddenly, after getting all these children going to suddenly go, let's have a humanitarian car though i still believes the insidious thing such as the one i still believe in the humanity. i still believe that on good people in every country and i am been doing my hopes on the fact that when they see all these horrible images, especially students can of children. and by this time slow type. why is that a strikes that something were to move? i also built my hold on this one is that it was anywhere in the world and i would add up. i'm a student there, i split up people to stand up to this order, but i type going by the stimulus. yes. to model the i mean, and in the, in the coming days we see what will happen. and due to the, you know, that the governments are now prohibiting any, solely directed demonstrations,

would police to me and people not sunday, that'd be the most that asians with how mass, but living palestinian people, which means we see here a very clear case of the human eyes ition of not only for the experience, but anybody in support of those other streaming, right, to be free of palestinian people is that i not to be bombarded and killed by his earlier style just found this is a medium term proposal. and of course, you're right there have been solved diversity demonstrations in engine easier in chile, in the south korea all across the world at this time. maybe that's what makes it as different. but that having to stop the prime minister of britain, putting the is really flag in solidarity with nothing. yahoo and the is there any people on the, on downing street in the european union and so forth in britain, in banning the palestinian flag, it appears somebody saying is the design. i understand that there is the diaspora and the greater awareness of what the palestinians are going through. but that's still going to stop this immediate situation this week. is it it want it's nice not

to, but i think i hope things will start changing. we were ready and cutters by statements that are coming from different countries, not like you to be on countries, not like united states. and that is like russia fronted like china to the country like the z and companies like south africa. i think, you know, and there's a week and, and the world is not. is it early order me to come on? and on this note, i would like to say something about what the american president said, and i wish you would not disagree many and see that you did not discriminate between american palestinians in america. is that or is you spoke about american? is there is, can he didn't mention any word about the police to me and i made it kind of most peaceful journalist city. and i've awfully was assassinated by i'm, is that or this night, but i'm plus neighbors and nobody was ever indicted for the clinton. and you didn't

say i, what about the 500 our medical other students who are now in guys us through on the bottom and under strikes. and they're high life is a tightest and i am sure many of them will die. so i'm not, you know, it's still not quite sure why you are surprised by that from the american administration. knowing what they have said in public as to their attitude, to palestinians in general. just one quick question about the children, because obviously nature nation propaganda media. they're talking about the hostages, that the children and g o save the children documented is really messed attention of children. what's your experience over the years of the detention of palestinian children by the u. u. k. u s. back to is really government successive ones. i have to send 20 years in prison for palestinian children for throwing stones as being the sentence that's through on that on size 1000,

throw blue 500 prisoners now. and is there any is including no less than $200.00 children? and many of these children, like are the other $1260.00, by the studios on the mistook of detention, which means they don't know why they are in june, which means they are practically kidnapped. which means that there are lawyers don't know why they are in jail and to kind of defend to this is doesn't go into administrative detention. that is there is using, i guess, by the student people. and by the way, here that's was one of the reasons why, how most conducted the attack, because there were more of antennae is they've been trying to negotiate. uh, presidents exchange store that understand them. but it's not necessarily during the summer for me, i have been there for 44 years and wouldn't be released. and those that i know don't listen. i'm out of the immediate proposal. i know that they were going to go

in this direction 10, something happens. but the immediate proposal is immediate ceasefire to stop these optimistic is not happening now and goes to save the lives of both palestinians and israelis. and then initiate a prison. i was exchanged with all the prisoners in goes or could come home safely . and then the policy and engineers, and those would be the least. okay. and then when is the, i mean it'd be an issue. we have to see how many survive on that. i'm going to also us, i know the gods or authorities claimed that many of those going to that music festival according crossfire with the idea of when it happened. but is it normal that there are music festivals and dancing bodies is just next to the besieged, guys? a strip where 2300000 people are inc closes. that'd been happening recently. the people young people would go and have music festivals. just me is where all these

of defendants of those ethnic print plans. i believe that the, the defendants live i don't know if this was, i know i'm, but i know that these are in, has made all these the minutes out. i'm doing it guys as a tourist excites every foot administered or anybody on. indeed, the who comes is usually invited to visit these areas to show that isn't and as a victim of, i'm just doing advocates. and uh, so this was the habit. so i don't know about what happened in that system when i didn't see people killed that maybe you did when people into problem areas, where is there are pictures or horses? yeah. you, you were information minister sounds out of those people living near the area. i don't think we have set up that the area on the system or not. i don't want to to, to, to justify anything. but i want to tell you something. i am a person who have phone was advocated non violence or my life. i don't,

i agree with getting disagree and all that is there anyone punished again? but what we see today is something that should not be acceptable at any level, which is the human eye is ition of other students inviting. is there any to commit crimes? i've started crimes, i've started crimes against civilian political people and justifying the killing of hundreds of police didn't. and nobody should do that. it's unacceptable. and it should not be allowed just finally and very briefly. and it seems strange to be talking about multi $1000000000.00 weapon re arriving in the eastern mediterranean, off the coast of gauze of the united states, proclaiming at the largest aircraft carrier in the world with all its military. that who do you think that's aimed at? i know the shares of all the big good nature nation arms companies have risen, has the death toll mounts in gaza? who is that intended for? and do you now reflect on the fact the palestinian authority should never have

collaborated with israel as it has done in recent years or the festival? i think that the they're going those, these aircrafts and kind of yours is very clear democrats. they've been trying to discern the same on the time. they want to frighten his bella on live in on. so definitely within the field and they would not support from stadiums and guys are and i think this is the main goal and this is the main name i'm down the bite instead of lincoln said, is that do they want to, i mean, i'm not about to do different and so i'm going to talk to you didn't get what's happening here, but i do not think that other parties can stay silent if they see an act of ethnic cleansing happening or seeing more and more interesting instead of these bonds that it can strikes so and see what happens about the student and the thought of it is

so weak and it has to be marginalized and humiliated by isn't or is constantly under repeatedly. and then even the areas that should be under the student. and what sort of do you, where invented constantly by is 0. and of course spanish the nose out, i guess the security collaboration with guys that are in the side, especially now with all these are processes for me to take his spanish student people. but i think the problem with the student knows what to do, that that has failed to unify palestinians. eh, i think at this very moment it is the duty from us that our best and all this thing is either immediate to to any 5 on this thing as a stand in front of this festival. the festival feed that would take place or another mackenzie, and i know that around those crimes and this whole destruction of one of the guys a strip time is for the unity. i'm not for the division about the big responsibility here is on the shoulders of the state and i look forward to talking most of about your di. thank you. a thank you. and that's it for the show will be

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