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hello and welcome in the cross. ok, we're all things are considered. i'm theater, live out newton. yahoo! tell us by and we have to go into gaza and rules out negotiations in turn. fighting says we stand with israel, we stand with israel. so it's clear piece isn't the 1st priority, but it's also on the agenda, is potential genocide, the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, scott ritter in del mar is a former intelligence officer in the united nations weapons inspector in washington . we have me call the lead. he is in is really american activists and the author. and in liverpool, we have for us to be no more than l. o. he is a professor of law at liverpool. john moore is university, as well as a member of the legal team, representing cause of victims to be for the i c. c. hi gentlemen. comstock rules and effects. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate because i can hear you 1st in washington,

we know that the israeli prime minister is been talking with joe biden, joe biden, to address the nation, saying that the united states stands with israel. he was and fighting in panic about that. and then, you know, he's made it very clear that there's going to be no negotiations and that can come off as an organization and is individuals must be destroyed. what is that about? how well, how is those get to a resolution to the conflict? because none of that does that go ahead as well as the question, i mean, there's no question. negotiations are going to be coming up at some point eventually, if for no other reason, none of the costing or fires banners to get a you know, regular up as early as i'm for prisoners out in the gaza strip, including senior officers of the idea asked. so there's no question that that the sions will be coming up, but it's something that wants to do list a list to keep bombing and killing innocent palestinians, hoping that that will put him in a better negotiating position. and also to exact revenge because he's behaving the

gas, there has been a 1000000 and now he's got to take it out on somebody. so he's taking it out on costing isn't guys of the fact that joe biden is supporting this, of course only makes them an accomplice to this massive crime against humanity. this really everybody's using the term genocide and then i think it's as part of the property at this wholesale murder, accosted in the past, and it isn't housing the 2nd guys up. and by the way, what's, what's interesting is that they're not stopping the fighters in, inside. uh, you know, they're going in and out of the guys are continuously in the fighting is still continuing. and so these are all these elements themselves. and so anyhow, is not going to accomplish anything at the end of the day is going to have to say to the palestinians. and he is going to have to come up with some kind of an agreement draw if he's not going to see the prisoners back. and you know, we know the prisoners are at the heart of both sides. you know, both his relatives care about the prisoners that were taking taken and austin is want the wrong political prisoners released from, from jail. yeah. but, you know, given the rhetoric and we have right now, i know, and you know it's, it's

a people are, have very high temper is the temperature is very, very high. i get it, people and me wanting that to be the case. so we can say the most extreme things, and if you can say the most extreme things, maybe you'll start doing extreme things. so scott, i mean if you look at the rhetoric, you know, we're coming out of washington primarily the lindsey graham's and these folks here, right? now they want blood and they're certainly going to get it. um so i mean, it seems like ethnic cleansing is perfectly fine with washington because it seems perfectly fine with uh with uh, tel aviv scott to the 1st. well let's understand it. lindsey graham doesn't speak for is rob. sure. these really is right now. are happy with what the same as words are absolutely totally meaningless. of israel doesn't need to be guarded on commit warcraft. they've been committing work crimes against the population of guns up for decades. they don't need, you know, this purpose pompadour proof your trends as uh,

you're getting them on to, to commit crimes. so i, i really with all due respect. don't want to talk about lindsey graham. well, i mean much about bridget, but scott, the point is, is that the, the, a washington establishment is giving cover for israel as usual. so it is a continuation of this policy because we'll talk a little bit about the i c c in this program. but it's the united states that gives israel cover from when it commits these kind of war crimes. that's was my only point, scott. so i, i understand your point by point is united states or so shallow with a critical, i mean, on the one hand, you know, i can't say i'd respect them, but at least i give a nod to their sincerity. if united states was sincere. alright, but lucy graham right now is choking in the blood lush that he has. but i can guarantee you that in a matter of days, if not weeks, the united states will be demanding that israel, she could see spire. bring an end to this because we can't stomach the blood that will be shit. it'd be that the truth of the matter is we should be big that demand

right now we don't have what it takes to sit back and let israel do what it thinks it wants to do. and guys are, fortunately, israel can't do it either. i will tell you right now, it is real. will lose this war. now the palestinians are going to win this war because they're going to be smarter, but is real lo method. she even care about a cheap what it wants to achieve on the grid. oh god, yeah, destruction of how much, but the slaughter is resolving the, the so called palestine question and, and then of course, when you look at the tab blades in western media, they're all for it is, i don't know what values they're talking about because i mean if this has a value, then it's a civilization that is truly sick. and i gotta say, you know, i want to ask you a question. and in light of the rhetoric that we've heard over the last few days, what has happened to international humanitarian law? i mean, if you've given you get to, given what people are saying and what they're allowing in, in justifying israel,

then there is no such thing as humanity and law, at least for the palestinians. go ahead in liverpool, i was saying sort of the question, i mean the social is addressing the, these situation, the kind of possibilities for international new anytime at low means coastal looking at the context in which the of the facilities of the place of the work about is taking place and the complex successful context saying that you know, the legal to be shown on both of the west the bank and. ready the guy that's the biggest thing i mean to go based on according to the size of the body. so it would be that the nation, the particular commission will be why all the do you, what is it said? so they built a sort of international in particular of internationally my time, you know, sort of the complex, the moving to the locate where they've got the sweet pencil really produce and number and also catastrophes. and i thought it was a guy. so just too many times because he's has to guys, he's one of the cards you sent back. we'll go ahead. so want to hear these

a context in which there is already a long release toby into an organizational international. you're wanting to know exxon traditional q and just from the west bank of the central mass of biotech lapse of biomass. well i'll be to the must see for us to or cd own. so use of thought to, we're doing it the visual condition, the condition of the to ensure the legal to be adopted by these, right? you know, solve it is and so, and destruction obviously the, the properties and doing the least the still available. so these are the context of talking about to the complex the this app is already in wines, but then system, i think a talk against the policing and cdns. why spend see some of the top box on the trial? no means crimes the best but it, but it's, it seems like him added to an imaginary international law is only a tool for the enemies of the u. s. it doesn't apply to anywhere else. so good, because if i could go back to you, i want to ask you a provocative question and i'm, i'm not trying to

a light anyone's hair on fire here, but did her mouse in gaza strip, you really have many options and i don't know and can justify the violence that some of these fighters have committed to their atrocities, and they should be held account for. but considering the political whim whims, i said i was gonna say wins, but it wins. it look like that. they felt they had no choice to make themselves heard, nico? well, 1st of all, whether or not the policy or fighters committed atrocities, i think it still is still unclear. i mean, a lot of, there's a lot of rumors out there. many of them are being debunk, dragged out, so you don't know the full scope of, of, of a sudden you're, you're making reference to, they'd be heading a babies. of course, the story that the story that was the bunk and the same day there spread, go ahead, you go to several stories like that. so like i say, i'm not, i'm not going to jump in and say, yeah, they committed atrocities because that's not clear yet. now look as we both that i was all of us, i think your know how students engaged in, in, in, in mostly on,

on resistance progress for 75 years. i mean, the crime of the establishment of the state of israel that has the as obviously impacted cost areas that have been trying to resist it, like i said, mostly with on arm to me is about from time to time. obviously, i think, and andre assistance in our, of the tack is to be expected, especially when you're living. and if you consider the, the conditions in the got strip. and so what, what, what did they have a choice of not have a choice. all students are killed, not only engaged and was backed by the way, but in the not going in other parts of the, you know, throughout officer start palestine. whether they sign up in the fight or whether they stay in their beds, it makes a difference of what killed and we've seen this particularly in gaza. so you know, sometimes they prefer to fight to get up and fight. and what we saw, even according to, is rarely military. i am the generals and other i others reason we saw i was a brilliant military operation that caught israel completely off guard. and um, so uh, do they have a choice? of course not. israel puts in that position where they are because they're going to

die anyway. so they might as well show up and it was very clear, it was very, very clear that they had a very clear objective. this is not, and i'll say it is clear, this is not active terrorism. they have a very clear political objective, which is the release of posting the prisoners. so they knew they were going in to take as many prisoners as they could so that they can then they go shifted to free their own cost in their prisoners is really jail. that hopefully there's a larger political um, there's a lot of political goal here for the past seniors, as, as you know, like i said earlier, negotiations will take place. of course it's going to be a while, but when they do take place i, i'm very skeptical. uh that there's going to be negotiations i, i think they see this as an opportunity to to resolve the palestinian questions. lie side, scott, we have one minimum before we go to the break. you know, you wait, that's about 2200000 people in the gaza. strip and most of them are children at their children. that means the only thing they have known is living in a prison camp and concentration camp. scott, i think we should reflect on the words of most of them,

one of the founders of israel when he gave the eulogy to a right. ruth bird who was murdered in 1956 a bunch neck uh, who lived in the bush on the outskirts you guys are. um, he didn't blame the guys he blamed is real. he said that every day that roy worked, he was stared out with the heat field. i just the guys had to look at him and recognized him and the rest of his rep for what they were occupiers stealing the land of their for fathers. i mean, the generation of palestinian youth raise up to day are the same as existed in 1950 . $6070.00 is eighty's ninety's in the early 2, thousands. it was a cycle. the beverage that i have to disagree with you peter, israel cannot defeat this. israel doesn't have the capacity to defeat this, but $300000.00 reserve is don't have the skill set that to master the for the, for to, to, to defeat this guy's a will with a huge, huge cost gentleman. and we have to go to a hard break and after that hard break,

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. search like why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else with plans or do they have the state department, the c i a weapons, bankers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations. choose your facts for you. go ahead, change and whatever you do. don't want my shell stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direction. but again, it's not. we don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you say. welcome back to proud software. all things are considered a computer, the bell to remind you were discussing palestine. the . okay, let's go back to tennessee though, and in liverpool. oh, this, the combined administration has gotten most of its allies into mimic the term o rules based order. is israel,

this rule space order apply to is real and we are there in t. uh, entities, a legal entity. so can have ever held is real account for the atrocities that it's committed, particularly against the palestinian people. i mean, you know, the sweaters of every single, know this is a complex which has to be starting to sell your site, your site, and this is a political issue. it's a lot of legal issue. i'm sorry to interrupt. go ahead. what is the only legal issue i mean, because the donation of nobody's clear anything policy simply a big show on the policies in both totally on the side as well and those on so the state of decent have the sort of say to box the has to be a big issue and so they're going to go chalk seats and obligation to both team police all those these 2 months. but why do the buying the nation a little bit to can called people to the board, connect to the us, going to be sent to those he was in the nation will be international. and at least so much belie need to buy international law. and these are the got to the problem is that when it comes to be very promising on site team,

international community in the, in particular, western states do not have a big time. they are willing to maybe, i mean, most between glen meant visa information a little extra much. that's the reason why i strongly believe that these things do want to see stem decisions about what each one of international about the mission. i want to talk a little bit see, think through these days found the baby reach you saw in these come and talk to me . they say it's very interesting. it applies the assignment, it doesn't apply to other the, obviously the double standard is there we go with, let's look at the timing of all of this because, you know, and the, the former president, united states on trump made a lot of, hey about the abraham records i, i've never been a very sympathetic towards them because it was giving israel everything they wanted and do at no cost. the meaning the test disappear, the palestinians. do you think that that's the, that's how i'm also taco is related to that,

because weeks before was that saturday we, we were hearing that the saudis were a good close to about recognizing is real. and now that's all in tatters. is this part of the same process? make a yes, i don't think there any coincidence is here. i think uh the timing was was right. it was also exactly 50 years plus one day since the attacks of the $9073.00 october war. so, and of course the results are very similar, you know, his job was caught off guard and, and it was quite catastrophic for his, you know, because this is, this is much worse. you know, i want to go back to just something that was said earlier. you know, keep talking about the american allies and the less than what was brick sprints is nice anyhow for costa and either all the countries and bricks have great relations with infinity. all great relations with israel and nobody's debt began to support the cost and it cost, which is why $1.00 of the reasons is or other so capable of doing whatever it wants and maintaining of this genocide approach towards the cost in it. so this goes far beyond the west is a, it's a good point. that's a good point. it's

a very good one and a great deal going on. it goes to the amount of you know, managed to, to create a lions as well. as, of course, all the risk countries have a good relation to the buy weapons from is rid of and uh, and beyond. in africa, african countries as well as over 40 diplomatic missions in africa. they are working very hard in indonesia and malaysia. they've been boxed on and so forth in order to get normalization and they're succeeding. but the hope is, like you said, that as we heard the society foreign minister say as a result of this, of this attack of this uh, attack by posted in fighters. the talk to the lies, agents on your, your know, off the table, which is of course, a very good thing and hopefully this will get some of the other please. the, the, the, the obvious allies might be african countries, the higher countries, the muslims. and there are some countries to come back to the party to policy because it's a part to me in a big way to make it do it, to demand sanctions, to demand, you know, a handed to provide community to israel and so on. so i mean to apply real

a pressure to bring down the to part time energy. one would hope that this would inspire that we don't know for sure. but of course the savvy design example is a very, very good one. so we've got both that you know, and attempt to the normalization tasks with, with, with this attack and also to, to show, once again the, that the midst of these early military life division. there is just a missed and a might of these really intelligence apparatus which also showed itself to be completely completely bankrupt, you know, are both minutes. and i think this is a very important lesson there. once again, we were taught by a handful of well trained, well discipline. the pals didn't go to the fighters by the way. lydia been trained in one of the course places on earth, which is the gaza strip. so there's a very important lessons here. i think that we were to stop by postings. yeah. and, and scott, that's good. yeah. it's talk about what, what victory means. what defeat means. i think that's the, all it's a mantic difference between us here. um there's also, uh, obviously talk of this conflict expanding. i'm thinking of course it has the law

and you use a phrase that i've stolen it from you because i really like it military math. so do you think that has gl uh, looking at the military math is deciding which way to go because, um, uh they have that has the law as a lot of the same. it was 20 years ago, ne, in. and then of course the, the, the, the americans are least, many americans blaming you around for all of this. i mean, the enemies are lining up here. do you think it's possible this could expand? go ahead. scott. there is a different, a number of possibilities, especially given israel's well proven tendency to overreact. um, but i will say this. i firmly believe that eligible does not want to be involved. the wrong does not want to be involved. the scope and scale of what her mazda did was not intended to create a, a regional conflict. you wish to achieve a palestinian victory. they get

a victory of what cost. it doesn't matter because students have been dying for decades, the depth of destruction was never going to end the how mazda is bringing this to a head if she really is really military humiliated. yahoo, humiliated b b is really intelligence apparatus. all. how much has to do to when the survive, and they will survive just like all his blood had to do in 2006. when was survive, hezbollah does it need to be drag this erode? does it need to be drag this, the how mouse victory is? are sure. unfortunately, as you pointed out, it's gonna come with the cost of many, many thousands of innocent palestinians, us citizens. but they were going to die in any way, shape either die a physical death, or a more in depth stuck in this open air concentration camp. so how much has done them a favor by making their deaths mean something? yeah, i'd like to point out to our viewers. i mean, right after the,

the hostility started israel announced a blockade, but the blockade has been in existence since 2007. i mean, they made it a ever advertise. it is something new. let's go back to our guest in liver pool. one of the binding administration is kind of whispering that they might, may, i mean, they agree with uh, no, no negotiations. but behind the scenes are saying maybe a humanitarian court or to allow the people of guys out which is on the face of it . you know, that sounds like that might be a solution here. but it, but it also means if you were to force the godson's out like into egypt, for example, they would never be able to return again, solving the palestine problem is that legal under international law go ahead and liberal as well so. so please allow me before going the to the square, see on the to seem to tell you, stop it, stop before i was just basically going to mention that where he was mentioning the sound that's was not of the same thing on the 2 stage. so the international

community also sort of things with the national gains, ations investing, in this case of international cleaning, of the cold. there is an open investigation for media to see open up by the phone and prosecute the boston situation. i was seems to they don't feel secure, talk to coffee. so the biggest box that's coming on the new 2021. know so you can use a gun to progress has been done. mean the situation, the prosecutor in these days as being a complete, to be silent in order to jump from what's happening these by to the body see over the over supposed to prosecute the establishing of the prosecutor condition. so all the preventive states might selected the protecting the situation, something like we have more of the situation, we to investigate totally serious validation of international and when he talked a little so these assignments in this context see, so he's a show, can you raise the question whether he's leaving the unable to say something you meant, we should a single statement. what's happening? you know, they show to your question on the money to because we monitor that because we don't, again, it's not the political, the choice of states,

a decent obligation on the international new money. i know preventing your money by the end of the lease. but you say seat isabelle, nation of international don't want to and my mom doesn't what kind of like, oh i don't, i, you know, i, when it always comes will be the palestinians. it seems like no one's obligated to do anything that's but that's the tragedy of all of this. here. let me go back to mika. we're rapidly running out of time. but these, do you see a land invasion? because, you know, we're all we're told on the one hand, you know, they're, they're casualty of adverse, but that would be a very heavy casualty event for all sides, mika, it is, it will not dare, but loose on the ground. the guy is a strict, they learn to 2014, that their fighters are inferior to the policy and fighters, and they paid a very heavy, reprice in 2014 for putting boots on the ground. they've got a strip and i don't need to that far, but you know, fire power for up for the taking the conflicts from the air and so far so they

won't dare put their stuff, put boots on ground indigo strip, excuse me. and they're accomplishing their goals anyway. i mean, they don't need the, you know, they're accomplishing their goals by the they want destruction and for destruction . you don't need to put boots on a row, so they don't need to. and even if they needed to they wouldn't they wouldn't dare . and we've seen this since 2014 and then nicko. they, they're, they're stated objective is they're getting rid of a moss so that, that is a moot point if they're not going to put boots on the ground unless they want to level every single building and kill every single person, mika. and that's great, that's been the state of georgia for a long time, and it's not working. and it's not going to work this time either. you're not going to get or of of how much i'm going to get rid of. our students are not going to get rid of any, but i'll see it in a particular group this, you know, from us or any other group. it's not about that. they make these statements because it's for internal. the statements are made for internal is really politics. and, and again, the palestinians are still finding in, in settlements in the south settlements around talestine. i mean,

around the strip fighting is still going on. the stands is still open in the fighters are still going in and out and bringing recruiting. okay, kind of what i want to give scott the last 30 seconds ago, scott and i agree with everything you need to just set up. israel is been making a lot of noise. this noise is for domestic political consumption. that it was a failed leader. is trying to use this tragedy to you know, fortify his political stance. this warble ended the disaster for his real, for these really people, for palestinian people. it will be a victory for him. us. okay gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in washington del mar and in liverpool. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember, prospect rules the

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