or i'm actually understand seeing welcome back to going underground broadcast single around the world from the u. a. there's only one story. the world is focused on. it threatens not only 2300000 people in the besieged gaza strip off of him and children with global energy stability in the both of any new world order being born through brick so well that might consign decades of nature and nation violence to history. let's go straight to a member of the palestinian legislative council. documents of about gucci. he's general secretary and co founder of the palestinian national initiative and joins the from ramallah in the west bank. i don't know whether it is a besieged westbank, the doctor, about goofy, obviously our hearts go out to the palestinians. this as well as these rarely civilians in this terrible uh week. but let's just begin with why you think joe biden use the white house to spread unsubstantiated claims, even the adf distance itself from the claim. and it said it was had to be corrected

by the los angeles times that. and it was in every newspaper in britain on the front page. is that how my said, the headed 40 babies? it's a big lie and they keep repeating lies. but that's not them. yeah. i was fine. and um, money through lifting the media and money through lifting the stories. and in my opinion, what we see here is uh, systematic will land sold us campaign to demonize, not the mouse, but to the human eyes on the police to me and people. and this is a very dangerous matter. i do think that what we go through now as palestinian people is the worst time of the most dangerous time since 1948. when is it or, and conducted the ethnic cleansing, i guess 70 percent. the 1st thing that people and the goal is not totally to do human eyes, palestinians what. busy it is me is the 3 things that are being done to us now

complete the siege on guys are depriving people, including turn that into a more data from metal, from the fluids that are medications and medicines. and then the strikes that are not to disagree, minutes and dr to people's feelings, and in women's man uh, more than 400 children, hundreds of children slowed up by these strikes. and in addition to that, i plan to estimate click lens, palestinians from guys us through these out of the city that actions of what's happening today and to justify all of that. that is what it is. and there are many cars, unfortunately, altogether engaging in the process of the organizational understood. so i want to explore that to in more detail. how is that a blinking jo biden's, the secretary of state, the former west exec uh, pen to can uh, contract, a consultant. he said when he arrived in tel aviv, what separates israel,

the usa and other democracies when it comes to difficult situations like this is our israel and the usa is respect for international law and the laws of war. how do you think he was able to say that given footage, even on us, the media showing them vast number of civilian casualties and depths. i didn't i to states has a very clear coat. i'm not only do not the states about money was to and government and the last 70 years is that it's a disrespect of international law when it comes to police to the initial not only that, but also using the standard. one of the most obvious examples of the start of the or is what the, what they do in ukraine. sending more than $224000000000.00 of money equipment, military tax planes. somebody is whatever. and

claiming, and saying that this is because you claim is fighting go to patient in our case. so they are sending go and is these aircrafts and very heavy and bombs says one of which that most, i'm distorted with the whole neighborhood. 1111 bunk and they and, and they say that the doing that support thing though to bind in one's goes, declaimed out of fighting submission and and another case they are supporting the ok buyers that are is, will have been ok. buying us in the us the bank and goes through, but these journals and ever since 56 years, this is the longest occupation in modern history. and not only that to have ethnically cleansed by listings in the in 1948. so there isn't that clear example of this, this with respect to for international law and this double standard,

that unfortunately is used for something they need a started international law. this would have responded to a good, tighter set, the secretaries and the united nations who said that the decision goes a step and this one a and depriving people from what the electricity for and it's, and medicine is nothing but a violation of international and the right fluids declared fairly clearly in response to what there is an early defense minister said to. and he said that the pedestrians out of human, i mean most they said that the what he said was disgusting. but more of that was baby and good old or water crimes. to be committed, i guess, by this thing and people, yes, hear you. i have gone when we're going to meet with entity blinking when he was in israel. but you know, antonio guitar is also condemned to, i'm us for, for what it did as well. and when you talk about the occupation,

we've seen time and time again, global side countries, defeat the united states on goods for vietnam. perhaps. what, what do you believe is the strategy of the i'm us government in the gaza? i mean, there are a state that will technically because israel declared war gone, declared war ontario as to how to fix it. as it was something i circled mainstream media and agent agency, what you have missed. but other than that, what is the strategy? is it a just dual sacrifice the lives of everyone in gaza because things are and have been so bad since the siege began in 20 o 7. i can speak on behalf of my mouse, but i can tell you of the following festival day in the at the is there is optic learning gorge on people or q by to people because there is no state and guns as i know q by 33 exactly like those to burn on the plaza and the

different kinds of occupation decisions by sea willing to buy and buy land. and. ready declaring good on people the to, to buy is something that's never happened and i think in northern history. and so now that of my relation, that is there and is do right. but even if it's a word, then there's an accept the fact that the present most of the time us to and there isn't any prison, those are prisoners and for and they, so 3, it's about a student present. notice in the exams as prisoners and for but they don't do that, surely palestinian resistance groups and there are many, it's not just how much that were involved in this recent taken in violence. they must have some strategy surely. or did they? yeah, i believe, or i believe 2 things happened. that is because it's becoming more clear. now.

festival, why did, how may i start this into this, this i think and before the, what time was did. and not only because we got on the q patient on the system will stop us, tied that as much was the prototype system that could have been to south africa. and when i say outside, not only my opinion to the open, you know, if i'm interested in the national juma, died fluids as well as even the is it any human rights organization? which is why do dispatch to bid salem? these are also so for the conflict and, and how much was not 250 years ago, 145 years ago or 40 years ago. at that time? no, it was piano that was describe tested. it was actually anybody that has this book to patient is quote that i'm just, i understand, but what, what is the military. busy author jorge. i think what, what, what's proceeded this attack is the following, during the last day of the mazda, is it a army and isn't it? it isn't less than 240 other students in the west back,

including for the teachers that are and continued the title of settlers. the said blood instead or under the supervision and support of the army, went as far as benjamin downs, building houses, bitten in cars like cuz happened in a lot of the messiah we had to buy in the we, the citizens whose houses were the bandwidth american citizens palestinian american citizens, i don't take us to buy them, is paying attention to them anyhow. in addition to that, the constant that tax on the ox, almost on muslim holy sides as well as christian motor sites, are listing as christians was picked up by his early settlers. we've seen for the location of the location taking place. apparently what you're saying is, is really important context. but then are you saying these resistance groups fell into a trap? nothing. yahoo was provoking them. and sure enough,

they fell into his trap because we certainly have from seymour hersh, the great investigative journalist that uh, uh, that, and yeah, who knew something like this was going to happen and let it happen. according to his intelligence citizens. if there's glass close of the line, what is really shocking is that i started out that happened the guys on board of those. there was no, is it or the army and penetration for more than 6 hours? you know, this is it and which usually those not even us allow i fly to fly and to is there and without immediate action. what happened there? why did this, the asylum? why did they? they did nothing. in my opinion, i don't want to go into conspiracy and see what it is now. but i can tell you that nathaniel, who did something 3 weeks ago, i think almost 3 weeks ago, when he was told in the united nations in front of the hood, was in the assembly of that structure to that should be the guardian of international, the united nations and the flag goes,

then you will be the least when he come out of the countries that you will, he will normalize with and green. and then having tab is there in the center and blue color and uh, showing the reserves. and it was um, is there any that is mixing all of that? okay. part was bang next in the golan heights and unexplained guys are stripped. a lot of times it was no fighting guys or at that time. is it a little a still claiming cause uh, is multiple kilobyte and uh, is there a has less the guys are showing. um i'm does next is both west bank and gaza, in my opinion, is very indicative of the plan of the elf. what he wanted to do, and if at the same time the most belong to violation of international. ironically, none of those 10 governments including today and i have to say is going to decide

that to map except one government of the time, which is your money. every my there stayed silent and in my opinion, he is now using what's happening to implement that lab plan that's, that's mapped. and the most dangerous thing is that they are trying to push this thing is out of color into i'm asked of ethnic cleansing to the beads. what happened to 1948 is it is yours that with young people out of it goes. is it your understanding that the circle of mainstream media in west and native nations talking about isis repeating the talking points the circle has borrowed from the that the government? they're comparing a mazda isis, is your understanding that y'all, himself treated isis patients in the golan heights? they occupied golden heights during the war on syria? yes. what is that americans also are dealing with isis before they're turned against. and of course,

we have that as well. known and he nothing you know him centralized provide didn't give any possible support to, to do these people because they weren't fighting cuz the senior and government doctor most of about good. yeah. i'll stop you that more from the general secretary and co founder of the palestinian national initiative and member of the palestinian legislative council left in his break the the the the

oh, when i would show the wrong just to safe house. because the application and engagement equals the trail when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look for common ground the the welcome back to going undergrad and i'm still here with the member of the palestinian legislative council doctor most of a biography. i'm sorry to have interrupted you the just discontinue you were talking about the oslo accords, which act as a pretty discredited amongst uh, many palestinians around the world today. but to go us for us because because the

money mistakes and then but the most important issue here in about nathaniel is that to you don't the whole book and 1994 call the police under the sun in which he had started also attacked any possibility of peace was punished against i'm denied 1st against that i had to have a state. and then he was elected as prime minister was an early 1996 and killed the peace process. he did everything, i mean, the input options. of course we didn't shut on, was it about and on model sort of like, but this man has to be in the prime minister, mainly in prison in all these 16 years. and he did everything to kill unable stability of a peaceful resolution. because here's the thing is not defined, this thing and state is often is unexplained. ok by 30 degrees. and now what he said is that all the listing is in guys must evict their homes where to go to the sea. as military spoke, i just on,

on that point and i think many would say it's not just net yahoo it's as you know, well, structures within these riley society rather than some cala hill solution for individuals that we had talking about. why do you, would it help if egypt opened the crossing? i know it was bombed soon off to what you just said when yeah, we said leave guys as if there was a way to leave. because what, what do you see is the role of interest that i see here is the conspiracy between the on, unfortunately, this american administration which is behaving in my opinion and it the responsible one a because nothing else that people so they figured their homes that military support special, i'm also not anyhow, came out and said, as a simians and guys, why should they take their arms and go to egypt? this became the headline of the senate few days ago. and then the state academy,

the support special knows the american defense ministry. spent that there should be a human stadium, couldn't do it with egypt, but only in one direction to egypt. oh, what do we see here? it's uh through spit, i seem to keep bombarding. people in gaza, keep bombarding them. i'm killing them to day or event, and they've actually, it goes through to egypt, creating one of the worst ethnic cleansing in the 21st. okay, so we've given, given to 1000000 people, given this conspiracy that you allege, given that your red quote over the decades of fighting for the un security council resolutions that guarantee a peace and justice for the by the city and people. and we've seen as any blinking in the, by the ministration administer, what maybe half a 1000000 dead in ukraine is. they pulled weapons in into the last ukranian and the fight against russia is only an attack on the demona nuclear weapon

system in israel. the possibility that open some kind of attempted saving the population of guys because you're only using to be intimating they will wipe out 2300000 people with the european union, british and american webinar. i don't know, but this is very serious. so what's happening is very serious. if people named guys uh, evicted to egypt, they would never be allowed to come back. and the age of this was even letting them in or yeah, is a loan and that isn't. that's not going to happen. it shouldn't. yeah, of course it shouldn't because and what we need is a humanitarian go to door to so that want and, and fuel and electricity and water medicine would come to guys or, you know, i am, i'm in the experiment. i know you'll be, you're not even expecting that to happen because you've just outlined the fact that netanyahu has ground plans as the structures and is rarely society. why do you

still put this hope that they're going to suddenly, after getting all these children going to suddenly go, let's have a humanitarian car though, as i still believes the insidious thing such as the one i still believe in the humanity. i still believe that on good people in every country and i am been doing my hopes on the fact that when they see all these a lot of images, especially students can of children and by this time slow type. why is it a strikes that something were to move? i also built my hold on this. one is that is the movement anywhere in the world i'm doing. i would add up. i'm but a student in there ask for the people to stand up to this order, but i type going by the stimulus. yes. to model the, i mean, and in the, in the coming days we would see what will happen and you to the, you and all that to go to the and the governments are now prohibiting i initially directed demonstrations with police to me and people not funny that the most citizens with a mass by police police,

teen young people and which means we see he had a very clear case of do you monetization of not only for the experience, but anybody in support of the pedestrian. and i to be free of spanish tv and people that i not to be of them by that i'm killed by his earlier style, just found this as a medium to him proposal. and of course you're right, there have been solved diversity administrations in indian easy or in chile, in a south korea all across the world at this time. maybe that's what makes it as different. but that hasn't stopped the prime minister of britain putting the is really flag in solidarity with nothing yahoo and the as really be both on the on downing street and the are being union and so forth in britain binding the palestinian flag, it appears some of the saying is the design, i understand that there is the diaspora and the greater awareness of what the palestinians are going through. but that's not going to stop this immediate situation this week. is it? as it want? it might not, but i think i hope things will start changing. we were ready and cutters by

statements that are coming from different countries, not like you to be on countries, not like united states. companies like russia, fronted like china to the country like to proceed. and companies like south africa, i think, you know, and is a week community and the world is not. is it early order me to come on? and on this note, i would like to say something about what the american president said. i wish you would not disagree minute see that you did not discriminate between american palestinians and america isn't or is he spoke about american, is it or this kid? he didn't mention any word about the police to me and i made it kind of most peaceful again, and i'm just sitting in a box. it was assassinated by i knew that or this night, but i'm plus neighbors and nobody was ever indicted for clinton and they didn't say i. what about the 500 americans? are the students who are now in guys us through on the bottom, bottom ment,

under strikes and they're high. life is a tightest and i'm sure many of them will die. so i'm not, you know, it's still not quite sure why you surprised by that from the american administration, knowing what they have said in public as to their attitude, to palestinians in general. just one quick question about the children, because obviously nature nation propaganda media. they're talking about the hostages, that the children and g o save the children documented is really messed attention of children. what's your experience over the years of the detention of palestinian children by the u. u. k. us back to is really government successive ones. i have to send 20 years in prison for palestinian children for throwing stones as being the sentence. that's true. and it on size 1000, throw blue, $500.00 isn't as now is there any is including dollars done to 100 children?

and many of these children, like are the other $1260.00 by the studios are under administrative detention, which means they don't know why they are in june, which means they are practically kidnapped. which means that there are lawyers don't know why they are in jail, and they kind of defend this is just not going to administer to have detention that is or is using, i guess, by the student people. and by the way, here that's was one of the reasons why how most conductive did attack because they have for more than 10 years they've been trying to negotiate uh, presidents exchange. so that i understand them, but it's not necessarily during the summer for my being there for 4040 years and wouldn't be released. and those that i know don't listen. and now the immediate the proposal, i know that they were going to go in this direction then something happens. but the immediate proposal is immediate ceasefire. to stop these i throw sick. is that bad

happening now and goes to save the lives of both police to me is and is, are these and then initiate a prisoner's exchange with all the prison or st goes or could come home safely. and then about a student engineers and those would be the least. okay. and then when is the how many reading this year, we have to see how many survive on that. i'm going to also us, i know the gods are authorities, claim that many of those going to that music festival according across fi with the idea of when it happened. but is it normal that there are music festivals and dancing bodies is just next to the besieged guys, a strip with 2300000 people are in closes. that'd been happening recently. the people young people would go and have music festivals, just me is where all these descendants of those ethnic print plans. i believe that the, the defendants live. i don't know if this was that. no,

i'm but i know that there is there and has made all these uh, supplements out onto it guys as uh, to district sites. uh, every foot administered or every sign into the who comes is usually invited to visit these areas to show that as an, as a victim of the studio. and okay, and uh, so this was the habit. so i don't know about what happened in that system and i didn't see people killed them maybe that way and people can put them on areas where is there a picture of the course of? yeah, you, you were information, ministry jones, out of, of people living for the area. i don't think we have set up that the area of the system or not. i don't want to to, to, to justify anything. but i want to tell you something. i am a person who have own was advocated non violence or my life. i don't agree with the getting disability and all that is there anyone punished again. but what we see today is something that should not be acceptable at any level,

which is the human eye is ition followed by the stimulus inviting. is there any to commit crimes? i've started crimes. i've started crimes against civilian police doing young people . and just to find the killing of hundreds of palestinian children, nobody should do that. it's unacceptable. and it should not be allowed just finally and very briefly. and it seems strange to be talking about multi $1000000000.00 weapon re arriving in the eastern mediterranean, off the coast of gauze of the united states, proclaiming it the largest aircraft carrier in the world with all its military. at that. who do you think that's aimed at? i know the shares of all the big, good natured asian arms companies have risen as the death toll mounts in gaza. who is that intended for and do you now reflect on the fact the palestinian authority should never have collaborated with israel as it has done in recent years or the festival?

i think that the goal of these aircrafts done because it is very clear the days the americans lived in height and decided to say on the time they want to frighten his bella on live and on. so that's the within the field. and they would not support from the stadiums and garza, and i think this is the main goal and this is the main name i'm down the bike. and so the lincoln said that they want to, i mean, i'm not about to do different in some and talk to didn't get what's happening here . but i do not think that all the parties can stay silent. the see, i'm activating the cleansing happening or seeing more and more productivity. i'm still doing these, but again it strikes oh and see what happens about the student and the thought of it is so weak and it has to be marginalized and humiliated by isn't or is constantly under repeatedly. and then even the areas that should be under the

student knows what to do with an inventive constantly by is 0. and of course, spanish thing is, i guess the security collaboration with verizon and decide especially now with all these i trust that is committed, i guess, by the student people. but i think the problem with the student knows how to do that to test him through unified palestinians. and i think at this very moment, it is the duty from us that our best and all the other students do the immediate to 2 and a 5 listing as a student from of this kind of a festival feed that would take place. so i know that if mackenzie and i know that around those crimes and this whole destruction of one of the guys a strip time is 40 unity, i'm not for at the division. but the big responsibility here is on bush on the street. and i'll try to talk to mr. wagner. thank you. i thank you. and that's it for the show. will be back on monday with the schiller institute to say no scar you

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the disturbing images from northern gauze. they were at least 20 palestinians killed in 18, injured after the is on his way to strike on the city of w for rest until a vive, amid protest, calling for the resignation of prime minister benjamin netanyahu as always, governments various provide security and rescue. hostages taken by her boss, also this hour the at least 2 civilians are killed. and so the lebanon as israel, and has belie exchange fire across the border. df as well. and that the minutes in groups involvement could bring about the destruction of lebanon. the.