[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stuck were all things are considered 9 people about israel's assault on the people of god. so it continues unabated. and why wouldn't that is really has been given a blank check by the west to unilaterally and not be bound by any constraints to

proceed as it wishes a 2nd month, but is being carried out again against the palestinians. the discuss these issues and war. i'm joined by my guess, george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod counselor as a guy goal, which can be done on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have to meet 3, bob, which is a political analyst, an editor, and he knows me, internet media and project. gentleman costs up rules. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out in budapest, georgia. um a lot of people have commented that the recent erupt into violence in israel, palestine, it's 50 years ago, was young kid boar. and we can talk about that separately. but um, right, right afterwards, right after a younger boy happened, there was that same is kissinger shuttle diplomacy. remember that and um, uh indeed trying to in dealing also was as

a partner with the soviet union behind closed doors is to contain the conflict. 50 years later, we have anthony blinking flying all over the place. but he's not doing so settled diplomacy. he's trying to continue giving israel a blank check to do whatever it wants to do and essentially is a 2nd off, but to push the palestinians still again, out of palestine boss. but it's exactly right. it's a, it's very interesting and you mentioned the just in jerry and the shuttle diplomacy because prior to the young people wor, unless i have had given every indication that he was ready to sign a piece street to you from night is everyone like is that did we get making speech up to speed saying he's ready to sign or be street in. and israel then as now said, well we don't have a negotiating bob. no, no, no, we can't talk to anyone. we've gotten to know there's no problem. and then then of course, when he finally in frustration, lords young people, well,

then the americans kind of woke up and realized that so that was be interested in uh, making peas and weren't exactly the same position. now, you know, benjamin up in the a home, i think 22nd of september. he went before the un general assembly and he showed that map of the new middle east. in that mabel who knew middle east, there was no power to sign the temperatures of the west bank and gaza with presented as israel. so this is a total violation of the also a good of the numeral un security council resolution, offensively, u. s. foreign policy with us more positive still says that there has to be a 2 state solution that sufficiently bishop position in washington. there's any, i will just went in insolently arrogant. they presented the well well, this is the future of the middle east. and we don't really care what you critics might say, because we now have peace with arab states and will we're on the brink of signing an agreement with saudi arabia. so it doesn't matter what saudi arabia is on board

. who cares about the palestinian? well, when you have that attitude, well, bad things happen, you know, frustration, explode, or this way you have what's called, what in reality was a prison break, every one. that's how we should be looking at this deem of the also we have a, i think the grossly just a grossly dishonest level. there's these uh the talk about opening up a humanitarian chord door. well, if we disliked the di 6, that in put it into context, maybe some through the rough, a gate know of dual citizens, americans, europeans who give them a dual citizenship. maybe they can get out, but it's not for the palestinians themselves. and if it were, it's so one way ticket again and more ethnic cleansing of

a palestinian territory demo to well, i think you are right the, the, the good thing is that english and we both have a traditional recreation hours. see just you know, during the war 11006, rashid documented siege, that's a good, legit. you and i feel the same will be done with god that the main you rush unseasonal spare but there are. so i'm going to meet with you on the one side just kind of to us the foreign bodies seem to reach. unfortunately, this is a continuation of the same crack that we have seen in your brain with your brain, with russia, with the loss while the congress, i mean, the united states lost, then be cheap. uh well, you put magically because diplomacy is about okay, if not being a partial, the pretending to be boxed, you know, i'm reading the boss be right now as it's made by the fact that i

blinked and actually took off the decision. all these really good. i mean, how can you be in a bar show you, you know, you, there's a label, it's a, that's a special meeting now. what i the times or what. so when blinking comes in there and she said, as we have to, to send a deputy with you, that's the record. and i'm afraid a few weeks ago the instinct which was, uh, we have seen working in ukraine. the states lost the ability to be a boss, the freight, you know, there's always that the agent you with right, you have to side with the good the you make you do remember very quickly after the cool in 2004, 14 on a joe biden, ben vice president. he sat at the head of the table of the ukrainian government. you remember that george? i mean you ever heard of, viceroy. ok. so that's exactly what it was. but i mean again, george, me go back to george in budapest here. i'm glad deem it just, but it's lot out. there's no diplomatic initiative whatsoever. here, as

a matter of fact, just went blank and wants to do is the try to keep the, the so called abraham courts together. and you know, just basically pleading just gonna let this palestinian issue display itself out. okay. which of course is untenable for a tens of millions of arabs and muslims all across the region. there may be governments that easily will spell out the balance didn't receive that over and over and over again. but as, as a, a popular issue, it's very difficult for these governments to be in different. exactly, and it's very interesting. again, it goes back to kissinger because kissinger institute, the praxis of a sent you, the united states, taking a one sided position. because if you were just a kid, come back to the next sort of industries. you have the william rogers was the us secretary of state he bought for a reasonable peace plan, which is land for peace. 0 is where the withdrawal is from the temperatures it

occupied in route. so it will make peace with the neighboring arab states, kissinger bush. that aside, father of his great ploy of grabbing will by himself and essentially made united states a party to what israel was seeking to do. and ever since then, essentially united states has pushed aside anybody else who may have influence and who could act as this interest, a broker of a piece, thoughts. and so the, you know, the final culmination was the oslo accords. the which is the united states supposedly was a disinterested broker, but obviously united states is in bed with israel. and so the, obviously, the part of the baddest thing is didn't really get very much out of it. and so that whole 2 state solution was rendered null and void almost immediately. one is right . so hey, well this is just simply a blank check for us to go on building settlements of an essentially, you know,

ensuring that they will be no palestinian stage. yeah, of a teammate, it seems to me that they they want and also to point out except for now let's do the gaza strip. so they, they, they want a, a, a, a faction like 5 to, to be able to go to be there. it will be employed by the israeli say to be prison guards. okay. because that's not going to change. if the palestinians do not leave, which i don't think they will, nor do it to what to where. okay. i mean, they have no idea what, even if the, if the rop a gate was open, what does that mean? i mean, the cyanide is not the most pleasant place. the, you know, set down states. okay. um, but even in but the palestinians will stay and it will still be an open prison. okay, so i, i do not see what the end gave me here it is except for god forbid ethnic cleansing and genocide deal. well 1st i would like to say that the fact that the biggest size

the us, what do you see a visual gonna be that we, you know, any way can build, you know, the blue access. we don't know what speed you know, that stairwell and what i say, it's impossible to justify it. but the, that's the goal for the patients to look at the situation at cities and try not to make it worse. you know, you're going to be impressed why the bar i was getting confused compression, but your muscle is kind of okay. you know, what will be the consequences or well, what these really is doing right now in the, in garza, you know, who the hell do night states, you know, come us, horrible as, as it was, these rage is quite a very important role in the social organization. of society, say you can press 5 if you destroy, if you destroy the, especially if you distorted won't believe is what i want to replace it. yeah, yeah, well does that, and this is a game to pull the data before if he wants to do the keys in desperate israel in

the night. the stage before the pro is regular, won't be there at the approach really popular, the electorate is much more important than any other. oh, okay. uh, but that makes it, that, that, you know, before the united states, the government display not be select correct. you know, yes, on the display, not the key. select great. and what was, what happened? you people, you know, in gaza. what's going to happen to the people in the west bank? and so your right to we pulled the agreements in making badges free. let me remind you what was the consequence of these agreements? there was an up search in violence and then what there was the cap golf, whether these are still the, well, when the already i'm showing basically vote revolt and you are up searching easy in wireless. so the problem way is the, with the office here, you know, the problem is with the key, which is suppose, you know, to, uh, settled them,

they will look at connections, diplomacy with, look at the car about around the job either. what did they do? you know, they, they worked good relations with israel. they just how i 3 way sort of up with these are, was trying to support their relations with china. they destroyed the relations with russia. they, they should be the 1st major. uh, when you use the root, you know, by their voice just by the one side that's bored with just one party. and that will, they've destroyed them either ways and i'm afraid they're going to destroy the american relations with our congress because it really is often happens even though i, there are families even so you read the reach us, they are reading this. they are, you have a normal relationship with every month would be 0. they will have 3 of them. they will have to bully gauge the united states or plus, you know,

there's to be no other we so we're all convening line here. we have to point out to everyone that a 2nd aircraft carrier group is going off the coast of israel. i have 20 seconds charging for you to break this quick comment from you and we'll get back to after the break. go ahead. what exactly the, the point about the other arrow stays is very important because um, if a message on the yahoo does indeed launch this uh on store, it will be very blah, they and the arab street will explode around. most of the time. the rule is you know, the out of the screen, but they are comfortable with and if they have speed is i pay you, it will be charged right. not have to go to

a hard break. and after that of heartbreak, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state with our d. the . the welcome to across the board. all things are considered on peter bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. the

guys go back to boot of as before we went to the break judge we're talking about, well, been so many words, the expansion of the conflict, the we, we know that a mouse when it's incursion over a week ago, i use no pads, the bicycles and parachutes in the united states ascend to nuclear power aircraft groups. so they're now, i'm, i'm us as much as they're going around because the law, the m in syria. george. yeah, said the obviously, um business. the thing is that if i live in yahoo, it does indeed go in and, and there's an explosion in goes up. well not only with the arrow street explode, and that will pressure of the government's to do something. clearly the, the, the issue of his ball as well is very powerful and, and therefore it is very of assume, be facing a 2 front war. but there's a, another aspect to that. if you look at your, of your now has

a very substantial muslim population. right? very, very substantial, this wasn't true. 6773. now they and they feel very emotional about this and, and you know, governments and, and then you gay and frowns in germany, you know, they, they, they want to adopt laws banning pro palestinian demonstration pro. i'm us, no, no you found way found a standing place. but then all of us succeed because people feel so emotional about this isn't in the way of russia and ukraine, but russian, your brain was on the lead war based. the public really didn't care very much, they didn't really have a dog in the fight. this is only the just, just to kind of point out is it, you, i looked at something, some of the demonstrations all to a year of rome, a munich burn glen, paris, london. i never saw those. uh, those kind of demonstrations for you, great to do. no, not at all, lot of to that. and that's the thing that people are very emotional. so yes, you go in, in the united states, people who are emotional on the side of israel because any you,

the people are very emotional and the side of the was damian's. and if there are more of the scenes of horror and children getting killed in a zone, then there will be violence that will just be an explosion of violence. the terrorism is going to make 2015, you know, low look. just like, you know, like you like a tea party. so let me out. who really has to think of it, the old, is it the serious consideration? maybe it makes, it could well be an explosion throughout them. at least they could just be an explosion throughout europe. you know, they have, we haven't seen violence like this on the continent in decades. you know, the man in the, in the media coverage of this is just, it's a so deplorable and most of the western coverage. um and they, they, they like to pass up to miss that you as well. this doesn't have choice, this doesn't have a choice, it has to do this. okay? that's, that is so disingenuous. they're always been choices ever since the start of this conflicts 70 years ago. there are numerous times where

a compromises could be made in good faith. and. and then when george is already mentioned, the hospital which was a plan of very much bad faith. and this is what we get in today, but you know, it is real, can stop what it's doing. it can start recognizing international law. they can stop committing war crimes. and then they could actually ask outside powers of not the united states, but they come in and is be a broker. there are many opportunities here. and i say this in desperation as the, as the land war against guys is immune and go ahead demo. oh, well, you're absolutely right, but oh, so i think we see that's what's going on and these are passed by and what's going on in the green. is that possible with huge quality? uh, basically people who understand us, you know, when we say the brush, these begin and then by colonial. why do you agree they should move that by this

issue? what, what's going on there? basically, you know, most of this all pulled back from liberals level traffic. the goal, this a gauge, the manufacturing, the green, and what are the threes? real saying, i cool. we talk to me with a country that effects its neighbors. you know, we want to live in the country that is peaceful and the kind of want you know they chose to use. right. right. so now i want to rush and ask the question and don't even i wouldn't start preston for these people who are not totally true. whereas who no one to leave in these real because it's getting really dangerous there. but you see from these, we actually people that actually will cost escape, but there is a real part between the global, colonial, know, colonial powers and, and the black, much you know, and the distribution suggested by the west compressors very, it's like a b. well,

the side on the west, you know, be with you, great, be with israel, but there is no end in sight because uh, how can you be a 100 percent with the brand and go over that with these rarely go. so what, what they go for is just, i'm kind of, oh, it's impossible to get to the arabs. i'll go guys and out of their job. but it's, it's impossible to do the kind of you ready to create the russian part of you bring it all the populations, the culture, the history, people who do it, and people who want to do it. they behave like colonial, watched us who wanted to destroy the random. so hold culture as you know, wanted to create an absolute can you supposedly democratic atmosphere. right. so uh, i think the, the very, the point of view is plans just like the region. all that brings,

i don't want to give you premium that. yeah, it brings up an interesting question, george. because this has very high stakes and this the buying in ministration has been they love playing the roulette wheel. don't thing. i mean, i, i don't know if they have any kind of insight knowledge. obviously they don't. but they are taking huge risk sir, because when you bring to aircraft, carrier groups in, in presumably filled with jets, being able to go out on bombing campaigns. we know where they're going to bomb it's going to be in person bored most it's going to be lab and on. but you know, this is upping the ante, i mean, so direct american military intervention. now that is, that will make everyone in the region and i would say in the world, decide to think that's going to be designing with the side of the, of the, of washington george. that exactly. um, you're right. i mean, i think that the blind would be 2 stops hitting targets 11 on um,

but that's good to on tag and eyes. iran, and those are united states when they get involved in a war over there on the road as a country population of 90000000. so a lot of drones is got a lot of them this size. you know, it can basically blockade the straight of all, most of the areas when you go to war on your hands with the wrong. um you also in the busy tried to uh close to provoking a will with the russia. so that's too big was then you know, on your plate and the game with a view to was, and i the biggest trail nor, uh, ukraine as much to do with the us interest. so essentially the us goes, got stuck in within these 2 was without any thing, but i can say that, well, this is a viable us national interest. i mean, even back in the cold war,

at least like us a vietnam, this is bob of this, do a great, a, a global struggle against the communism. at least you can make that case. but how is the security of israel in any way, a mazda of all the united states? i mean, us, politicians can repeat this, but they never, but the cases are remarkably um, on compelling is very interesting. the, the, the arguments that the, of made to the west bank and gaza, the palestinians they were, you know, you just have to accept reality. i mean that, that's basically is, i mean, you, they, you can have a perfectly nice, happy working relationship with israel. you know, and you can get rich, you know, we'll give you some money, shut up and just accept, you know, you'll, you'll office just the, the serfs, the, the, these rated. but in the case of ukraine, they, so they, you know, it is they, they all get exact opposite, which is, you know, what, we go to liberate ukraine. we have to defeat russia. they never say, well ukraine has to accept, you know, geography history and realize that the cancelled when the camera just

a bit the feed, russia is a live play present as well. absolutely. shamelessly of these hypocritical arguments, just as also a funder lion, who dr. long and loud about their own way, you know that they are the vin venue cut off walter for what electricity is that is a war crime. and then because israel, but this time, 100 percent behind is right. well, she said that against russia. okay. but the last name out about it is where they are in a demon. is very interesting with george had the same because he's absolutely right . but what makes it would come pounds, bits of fear that all they should have is that there are elements in the american political lead. they want to war with the rabbits is there by finally we have this opportunity to do it because we have to save this real well. you know, the way you know, given my age, i always brought up, you know, the hating around. i was told the heat around, you know, because of all these guys is okay, that that was and so you have people like lindsey graham's and they're looking at

this is an opportunity not as a danger dba to, oh well that's so that's a very dangerous line. to do 9th of states, you know, to resolve the program, we will not resolve the program, but it started on to you. the wrong is defeats afraid. we will not result with the program. we have ukraine on to you rashi. so instead of over containing before that, what was expand it, you know, they, they want they want a for to be i think this is part of the reason spice. almost experts think it was a great a, you know, the world was lucky. com. is that ok with the kids and in 2016, we was a little sore from one that the whole was the rock right. suddenly the media, the media, the slightly your time. what's the most they went against the war against the rock . why? because they were afraid that the trunk would with the what exactly do you and i

was for years. oh, do you remember that? you know, the that's what like what interpretation there. okay i'm, i'm sure you're kind of been in charge of them was the same. can i do with that? i agree, as long as you are, which is which is, oh, you know, we see how everything is dependent on that one. uh, basically, uh, what happens, but few people watching, you know, do we have a way of the, you know, they're made over the road to the americans, kind of, what was russia? these are all very dangerous things. very dangerous. did that george last 30 seconds here. if i think, you know, we can put a bowl on it is a violence begets violence and morris don't really solve very much, george know what was done. and you know, we've seen this play before. israel has always come up with some theory that if only we'd crush this uh, you know,

this particular palestinian group. now i've only we, when this will, we will be able to solve all our problems. and i have, we heard all of this in 1982 when they invaded lebanon. we have to cross up the yellow. the piano is a problem once they're out of the way, you know, we'll be able to solve our problem in the west bank. how many times that they tried to assassinate our 5? if any, we can get rid of our off up. so you know what our problems will be gone. the problem is will be some gentleman. that's all the time we. i'm going to thank my

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