the exactly the stuff that is the times that having to assess on the ground just to have forgotten the highest past, that weight loss has to it. so you, so that's how the situation needs to you went on how the situation you walk and i went on with the americans. they had those force that they have always had some, every years in the persian gulf. so they are not going to be help with actually anymore. and the situation on the ground is totally different from, let's say, a couple of decades ago. so there they are just 10 turned into a big target. is the target not only for the warranty them, for how much or for hezbollah, they targeting the mentoring and c would be an easy piece of a case to attack them. so the being done, they're going to be very helpful in this area. so you're looking to just do that, what is going on in the ukraine, that the drones have to change the destiny of the board in a total weight. so, you know, just having a,

i know that number of tanks for every years for war planes and i just liked the past. it was some, some ritual the far. oh, world war 2. yes. at that time the numbers were very important. and the quantity was playing a role of now is a quality is hardly a warrant for many other things are involved in the situation in place like immediately. and of course, you know the situation like garza where you have on those. and that's the key under the city you have so you can have no idea what would happen to be a drawing if the inside of that well, i mean the circumstances that there are a lot of potential parties that could get involved. because what is clear, right? now is that the palestinians, essentially you have the entire support of the entire islamic world. the secretary general of the asian may is for him. how me the is that going on is that they joining us live here on ology international. thank you very much for your time and your not. thank you very much for that. thank you. thank you for joining us here

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hello and welcome to crossed up. were all things are considered 9 people about israel's assault on the people of god, so it continues unabated. and why wouldn't it is really, it's been given a blank check by the west to unilaterally and not be bound by any constraints to proceed as it wishes a 2nd month, but is being carried out again against the palestinians. the discuss these issues a more i'm joined by my guess, george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod counselor at the goggle, which can be done on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet 3, bob. but she's a political analyst and editor, and he knows me internet media, project reginald, across top rolls and back. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out in budapest, georgia. um, a lot of people have commented that the recent erupt into violence in israel, palestine, it's 50 years ago,

was younger poor. and we can talk about that separately. but um, right, right afterwards, right after a younger boy happened, there was that same is kissinger shuttle diplomacy. remember that and um, uh indeed trying to in doing also was as a partner with the soviet union behind closed doors is to contain the conflict. 50 years later, we have anthony blinking flying all over the place. but he's not doing settle diplomacy. he's trying to continue giving israel a blank check to do whatever it wants to do and essentially is a 2nd up. but to push the pals stands still again out of palestine, thoughts. but it's exactly what i'd be. it's a, it's very interesting and you mentioned the just in jerry and the shuttle diplomacy because prior to the young people will, unless i have had given every indication that he was ready to sign the piece straight to you from night is everyone like is that what did we get making speech

up to speed saying he's ready to sign their b street in israel then as now said, well, we don't have a negotiating bob? no, no, no, we got to talk to anyone. we've gotten to know there's no pump. and then then of course, when he finally f in frustration loads young people, well, then the americans kind of woke up and realized that so that was be interested in uh, making peas and were exactly the same position. now, you know benjamin up in the home, i think the 22nd of september. he went before the un general assembly and he showed that map of the new middle east. in that model, the new middle east. there was no palestine. the directors of the west bank and gaza were presented as israel. so this is a total violation of the also a good of the numeral un security council resolution extensively us foreign policy making us more positive still says that there has to be a 2 state solution that sufficiently, bishop position in washington. that's an eob will just went in insolently arrogant

. they presented the well, well, this is the future of the middle east. and we don't really care what you critics might say, because we now have peace with arab states and will we're on the brink of signing an agreement with saudi arabia. so it doesn't matter what saudi arabia is on board . who cares about the palestinian? well, when you have that attitude, well, bad things happen, you know, frustration to explode. this way, you have what's called, what in reality was a prison break every one. that's how we should be looking at this deem of the also we have a, the, i think the grossly just the grossly just honest level. there's these uh, the talk about opening up a humanitarian cord or, well, if we dislike the di 6 that and put it into context, maybe some through the roof of a game, no of a dual citizens,

americans, europeans who have dual citizenship. maybe they can get out, but it's not for the palestinians themselves. and if it were it, so one way to take it again and more ethnic cleansing of a palestinian territory demo to well i think you are right the, the of the good thing is that english and we both have a traditional recreation our see to this. you know, during the war 11006, rashid documented siege, that's a good, legit you and are the same will be done with god that are in the main you rush unseasonal, spare, but there are. so i'm gonna totally agree with you on the one side to kind of to us the foreign bodies seem to reach. unfortunately, this is a continuation of the same crack that we have seen in your brain with your brain, with russia, with the loss while the congress, i mean, the united states lost,

then be cheap. uh well, you put magically because diplomacy is about okay, if not being a partial, don't pretend to be, you know, i'm reading the boss be right now as it's made by the fact that i blinked and actually took off the decision. all these really good. i mean, how can you be in a bar show you, you know, you, there's a link for the ok, that's a special meeting now for the times or what? so why don't blink in terms of there? and she said, as we have to, to send a deputy with you, that's the recall. and i'm afraid, a few weeks ago, the east in which you work. we have seen working in ukraine. the states last. they need you to be a ball. the freight, you know, there's always that the agent you with right, you have to side with the good. the you do remember very quickly after the cool in 2004, 14 on a joe biden,

ben vice president. he sat at the head of the table of the ukrainian government. you remember that george? i mean you ever heard of, viceroy. ok. so that's exactly what it was. but i mean again, george, me go back to george in budapest here. i'm glad deem it just for the flat out. there is no diplomatic initiative whatsoever. here as a matter of fact, when the link and wants to do is the try to keep this the so called abraham records together. and you know, just basically pleading just gonna let this palestinian issue display itself out. okay. which of course is untenable for a tens of millions of arabs and muslims all across the region. there may be governments the easily will sell out the balance. getting group said that over and over and over again. but as, as a, a popular issue, it's very difficult for these governments to be in different. exactly, and it's very interesting. again, it goes back to kissinger because kissinger institute, the praxis of a century,

the united states taking a one sided position. because if it were just, i can come back to the next sort of industries. you have the william rogers was the us secretary of state. he bought for a reasonable peace plan, which is land for peace. 0 is where a withdrawal is from the territory. is it occupied in route so it will make peace with the neighboring arab states, kissinger bush. that aside, father of his great ploy of grabbing will by himself and essentially made united states a party to what israel was seeking to do. and ever since then, essentially united states has pushed aside anybody else who may have influence and who could act as a dis, interest the broker of a piece, thoughts. and so the, you know, the final culmination was the oslo accords, the which is the united states supposedly was a disinterested broker, but obviously united states is in bed with israel. i saw that the, obviously,

the part of the baddest thing is didn't really get very much out of it. and so that whole 2 state solution was rendered null and void almost immediately. one is right . so hey, well this is just simply a blank check for us to go on building settlements of an essentially, you know, ensuring that they will be no palestinian stage. yeah, of a teammate. it seems to me that they, they want and also to point out except for now let's do the gaza strip. so they, they, they want of a, a, a fax in like 5 to, to be able to go to be, um, they're going to be employed by the israeli state to be prison guards. okay. because that's not going to change. if the palestinians do not leave, which i don't think they will, nor do they get to what to where, okay. i mean, they have no idea what, even if the, if the rop a gate was open, what does that mean? i mean, the cyanide is not the most pleasant place to, you know, set down states. okay. um, but even in but the palestinians will stay and it will still be an open prison.

okay. so i, i do not see would be in game it. here it is, except for god forbid ethnic cleansing and genocide deal. well, uh 1st i would like to say that the fact that the biggest size the us, what do you see a visual gonna be that we, you know, any way can do, you know, the blue access we, the court speech and all that terrible. and what i'll say it's impossible to justify it, but the, that's the goal for the patients to look at the situation at cities and try not to make it worse. you know, you're going to be impressed why the wireless you getting confused, especially what your muscle is kinda crap. you know, what will be the consequences of what these really is doing right now in the in garza, you know, with the how to do night states. you know, calm us, horrible as, as it was, these rate is quite a very important role in the social organization of society. say,

you can press 5 if you destroy, if you destroy the prospective, you distorted won't believe this what i want to replace it. yeah, yeah, we're done. yeah, this is a getting the problem, you know, and the day before, if he wants to do he's in desperate israel the night the stage before, the pro is regular won't be there at the approach really popular. the electric is much more important than any other. oh okay. uh, but that makes it, that, that you know, before the, uh, either by just these development display not be select, correct. you know? yes. on your display, not the key. select great. and what was, what happened you people, you know, in gaza was going to happen to the people in the west bank. and so your right to, we pulled the list of all agreements in making by just read. let me remind you what was the consequence. so these agreements, there was an op search in violence and then what there was the cap golf,

whether these are still the fall when that i'm shown basically vote revolt and you are optional j e in wireless. so the problem way is the, with the office here, you know, the problem is with the big g, which is suppose, you know, to, to settle them that they will look at connections, diplomacy with, look at the car about around the job either. what did they do? you know they, they worked good relations with israel. they just probably 30 wast sorry about, but these are, was china. we support the relations with china. they destroyed the relations with russia. they, they should be that the major uh, what do you use to your, you know, by their voice just by they have one side that's bored with just one party. and now they've destroyed them either ways, and i'm afraid they're going to destroy the american relations with our conference because it will be a disaster happens. even though i,

there are families even so be a, maybe a reach us. they are really nice. they are. you have a normal relationship with every month would be 0. they will have 3 of them. they will have to bully gauge the united states. of course, you know, there's to be no other we to so we're all convening line here. we have to point out to everyone that a 2nd aircraft carrier group is coming off the coast of israel. i have 20 seconds charging for you to break this quick comment from you and we'll get back to you after the break. go ahead. but as i say the, the point about the other arrow stays is very important because, um, you've mentioned the yahoo does indeed launch this on sort. it will be very blah, they and the arrow of street will explode around most the time. the rules you know, the arab street, but they are comfortable with and if they have speed as i pay you visited with major large range, not happy go to a hard break. and after that, on hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state with our

d. the . the watching is why is that why in this country, what if i give birth plenty of the store in this? they should have been a short order, but i'm not going to stay less. so could i scan. when i am, what i could catch at your desktop session? i am no. let's just sean. your just is fun. you. mine is going. you sit almost in the the, the,

the welcome have to cross that there are all things are considered on peter the bell. this is a home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. the guys go back to budapest before we went to the break. george, we're talking about, well, in so many words, the expansion of the conflict, the we, we know that a mouse when it's incursion over a week ago, a use mo pads the bicycles and parachutes in the united states ascend to nuclear power aircraft groups. so there are no, i'm, i'm us is much, is there i around because the law, the m and syria. george. yeah, said the over say um business. the thing is that if nothing yahoo does indeed

go in and, and there's an explosion in goes up. well, not only will the arrow street explode, and that will pressure other governments to do something that clearly lives the, the issue of his ball as well is very powerful. and therefore it is very of assume, be facing a 2 front war. but there's a, another aspect that if you look at your, of your now has a very substantial muslim population, right? very, very substantial. this wasn't true. 6773. now they and they feel very emotional about this and, and, you know, governments in and then you gay and frowns and germany, you know, they, they, they want to adopt laws banning pro palestinian demonstration pro harm. awesome. oh no, you can't wait. bounced any life. but then all of us succeed because people feel so emotional about this isn't in the way of russia and ukraine, but russian, your brain was on the lead war phase. the public really didn't care very much. they didn't really have a dog in the fights. this is only the just, just to kind of point out is it, you, i looked at some of the,

some of the demonstrations all through your, a rome, a munich burn glen, paris, london. i never saw those. uh, those kind of demonstrations for you, great to do. no, not at all, lot of to that. and that's the thing that people are very emotional. so yes, you go in, in the united states, people who are emotional on the side of israel because any you, the people are very emotional on the side of the palestinians. and if there are more of these scenes, the par and children getting killed and as out, then there will be violence that will just be an explosion of violence. the, you know, terrorism is going to make 2015. you know, look, just similar like, you know, like you like a tea party. so let me out. who really has to think of it, the old, is it the serious consideration? i mean, it, it could well be an explosion throughout them, at least, that they could just been explosions throughout europe. you know, they have, we haven't seen violence like this on the continent in that case. you know, the man in the, in the media coverage of this is just, it's

a so deplorable where most of the western coverage um and they, they, they like to pass up to miss that is what this doesn't have choice. this doesn't have a choice. it has to do this, okay, that's, that is so disingenuous. they're always been choices ever since the start of this car was like 70 years ago. there are numerous times where compromises could be made in good faith. and then when george is already mentioned, also, which was a plan of very much bad faith. and this is what we get in today. but you know, it is real, can stop what it's doing. it can start recognizing international law. they can stop committing war crimes, and then it could actually ask outside powers of not the united states, but they come in and is be a broker. there are many opportunities here. and i say this in desperation as the,

as the land war against guys is imminent. go ahead demo. oh well, you're absolutely right, but oh, so i think we see that's what's going on and these are passed by what's going on in the green. is that possible with huge conflict? uh, basically people who want to go down to the stand off. you know, when we say that brush is medium and then by colonial fight, you green, they should move that issue. what, what's going on there? basically, you know, most of the so called russian liberals, left traffic to protest against the manufacturing degree. and what are the ways real saying, i cool, because a country that impacts its neighbors, you know, we want to leave the country that is peaceful and the kind of want you know, they chose use, right? right. so now i want to rush us or press 2 and not even i would accept press to both these people. we've been our ability to whereas who no one to leave in these

row because it's getting really dangerous there. but you see from these we actually people that actually mccarthy escape, but there is a real part between the global colonial know colonial powers and the black, much you know, and the distribution suggested by the west compressors very, it's like as a b will decide on the west, you don't be with you. great. be with these. well, uh, but uh, there is no end in sight because uh, how can you be a 100 percent with the brand and go over that with these rarely go. so what, what the push for is just, i'm kind of, it's impossible to get to the arabs. i'll go guys and all of them do their job. but it's, it's impossible to do the kind of you ready, 8 the russian part of you bring it all the populations, the culture, the history, people who do it, and people who want to do it. they behave like colonial,

watched us who wanted to destroy a, the random so won't call just, you know, wanted to create an absolute can you, supposedly democratic, was few. right? so uh, i think the, these really, the point of view is plans just like the regions all the things i would like to get the premium. yeah, it brings up an interesting question, george. because this has very high stakes. and this, the bite in ministration has been they love playing the roulette wheel, don't thing. i mean, i don't know if they have any kind of insight knowledge. obviously they don't. but they are taking huge risk sir, because when you bring to aircraft carrier groups in, in presumably filled with jets, being able to go out on bombing campaigns. we know where they're going to bomb it's going to be is 1st and foremost, it's going to be loving on. but you know, this is upping the ante, i mean,

so direct american military intervention. now that is, that will make everyone in the region and i would say in the world, beside those things, i'm going to be deciding with the side of the, of the, of washington, george, that exactly. um, you're right. i mean, i think that the blind would be 2 stops, a targets uh, in lebanon. um, but that's got you on tagging, eyes, iran, and those the united states was the getting involved in a war over there on the road as a country population of 90000000. so a lot of drones has got a lot of them this size. you know, it can basically blockade the straight of all, most of the areas when you go to war on your hands with the wrong. um, the also in the busy trying to, uh, close to provoking a will with russia. so that's too big was then you know, on your plate and the game with a view to was, and i the biggest trail nor, uh,

ukraine as much to do with the us interest. so you have to fix with us because got stuck in within these 2 was without any things, but i can say that, well, this is a vital us national interest. i mean, even back in the cold war, at least like, was a vietnam, this is bob of this blood, great global struggle against the communism. at least you can make that case. but how is the security of israel in any way, a mazda of all the united states? i mean, us politicians can repeat this, but they never, but the cases are remarkably on compelling. it's very interesting the, the, the arguments that the, of made to the west bank and gaza, the palestinians they were, you know, you just have to accept reality. i mean that, that's basically is, i mean, you, they, you could have a perfectly nice, happy working relationship with israel, you know, and even getting rich, you know, we'll give you some money, shut up and just accept, you know, you'll,

you'll office just the, the serfs, the the these rated, but in the case of ukraine, they, so they, you know, it is they, they all get exact opposite of which is, you know, what, we go to liberate ukraine. we have to defeat russia. they never say, well ukraine has to accept, you know, geography history and realize that they canceled when they kind of just a big the feed. russia is a live play present as well. absolutely. shamelessly of these hypocritical arguments just as or sort of underlying who dr. long allowed about their own way, you know that they are event venue cutoff. well, that's what the electricity is. that is a war crime and then it goes israel. but the spend 100 percent behind is very well . she said that against russia. ok. but the last name out about it is where they are in a demon. is very interesting what george had to say because he's absolutely right. but what makes it become pounds? there's a fear that all they should have is that there are elements in the american political

lead. they want to war with the rabbits is there by finally we have this opportunity to do it because we have to save this real well. you know, the way, you know, given my age, i always brought up, you know, behaving around. i was told the heat around, you know, because the opposite these guys to is okay. that, that was. and so you have people like lindsey graham's and they're looking at this is an opportunity not as a danger, fema to. oh well that's so that's a very dangerous line of to do night to states. you know, we sold the program, we will not resolve the program. it's better to start on to you is defeats afraid. we will more result with the program we have, you bring on to you rush, 50 feet. so instead of over containing before that what was expired, that you know, they, they want they want a for to be which i think this is the bottom of the reason spice almost. i'm

experts think it was a great a, you know, the world was lucky. tom, is that ok? what a clinton in 2016, we want to sort of draw one that the whole was the rock right. suddenly the media, the media, the slightly your time. what's the force they went against the war against the rock? why? because they were afraid that the trunk would with the what exactly do you and i was for years. oh, do you remember that? you know, the that's what like what interpretation there. okay i'm, i'm sure you're kind of been in charge of them was the same. can i do with that? i agree, as long as you are, which is which is, oh, you know, we see how everything is dependent on that one. uh, basically uh, what happens if you people are watching, you know, do we have a way of the, you know, they're made over the right to the americans, kind of, what was russia? these are all very dangerous things. very dangerous. did that. um, um george,

last 30 seconds here and i think, you know, we can put a bowl on it is a violence begets violence and morris don't really solve very much, george know what was done and you know, we've seen this play before. israel has always come up with some theory that if only we'd crush this uh, you know, this particular palestinian group. now i've only we, when this will, we will be able to solve all our problems. and i have, we heard all of this in 1982 when they invaded lebanon. we have to crushed up the yellow. the piano is a problem once they're out of the way, you know, we'll be able to solve our problem in the west bank. um, how many times that they tried to assassinate are 5 people in it. we can get rid of our off up so you know what our problems will be gone. your problems will be some gentleman that's all the time we. i'm going to thank my guest in budapest and here in mosque. i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our to see you next time. remember the prospect pools

the, [000:00:00;00] the residential in does the process 2700 with you and says, the region is on the verge of the best. the monetary crisis deepens as food most and medical supplies are over in and out. throughout the border crossing between the southern gaza and egypt is still not open unless despite promises to allow aid into gaza, refugees out as according to our teeth sources go involved in the mediation between israel and the palestinians also have this all. this is one of the places where i'm