african continent as a whole. we'll talk to elijah maga. he is a veteran war correspondent who's been embedded in hotspots all over the world, including on the ground in libya, when it all began to unravel. you can subscribe to his work at e. j maggo dot com. first, elijah october 20, 2023 at marks. 12 years of the anniversary of good off his death. you're a veteran war correspondent, you've been through libya and much of the error of speaking world. from what you've seen is libby, a better off since he died. did the, the, us and nato, better libya by it's bombing campaign in 2011. with actually use, i was in libya before the war during the war. and when trinity offend, and i think i can save the situation and it'd be a part of that. so while i'm gonna get duffy is, was at the country,

it's far from better off without get duffy because funding his debt experience significant. but it's a good distributed di, the country 1st was guided by ices and then straight between all the binders with dish and fractions, leading to a very wide civil war and tried fighting against each other with the weapons in the hands of all the tribes. and now we have 2 central government, one in the west, and tripoli, another one in the east into brook to do unite the country. it has not been possible, and this is not going to be achieve any soon. so we know, looking at it any sooner, stupidity and libya economically, via or dependent economy has suffered tremendously as a result of the, for those get that fee from a being annoyed at export country and producer. and that is,

that was the main off. it'd be an economy now and the oil production has been disrupted so many times, the factors all seating it and they smuggling it and the, the economy in the country is really on the floor from the security point of view. in the vacuum list, i get that fees that lead to the rise of different dish up off from the to government and the the, some of the show control different both of the country, the all vitamins and there are no binders in the south and crazy. we speak about the borders with egypt and with chad, our wide open photos denisia also. and also from the human right. we cannot talk about an improvement because the presence of these mediation nicest will get many and it may be an ad for an a particular age of sion who are working in the

country. we've seen a kind of uh and role for situation and offered carrying torture, etc. and the last. ringback a, the migration that you see crossing from libya or libya lowering and the people coming from i forgot to cross to made it to me. and all that pays the less under control today. so the may to really intervention in 2011, played at prussia, raleigh, in the 70 lising libya and there without saying that the innovation was illegal because the united nations allowed only the protection of civilians. if not, to destroy the country, to destroy get duffy's army and he's rules and to allow people to getting. so we can say that nato is in differential and any deal was any better than enough guys done or to now many, many people have described libya now as

a failed state. that the rule of law no longer exist. you've got, you know, major military factions, practically, and in a fat balkanized thing. the country who are those military leaders, especially general, half star with his ties to washington. indeed the lip, yesterday is a freight state, or stayed with limits or center authority. and we have to offer a d and an old and it is in the central and in the yeah, sorry in the east and we have in there, tripoli, and the following. the 2011 intervention at the desk of kentucky at the time of booking these ation is often use to describe the fragmentation of frame. yeah. so it is no longer one state because it's not united. and because it's ravished by militia and by different factions,

and because the divisions among the 2 parliament to contribute to send for government is wearing heavy on. yeah. and there. so we can say that the, the, the, the presence of the nato forces and the interventions need to was devastating through the now. yes, good that fee when he was can. and then we have different if it goes back to miners, particularly asian, or could he for half star was in the boss an officer in get diabetes army. and a also was one of the other players. and then 1969 could be top that broke duffy to power. however, when a good that fee, it keeps them out for the wing, the war dried in $19.00 eighties. he went through the united states and this is the way it is been very well known is that you guys is start,

be strong guys with the c i a and you returned to dpi, 2011 as a c i a general c i a man, and the libya in general. so in 2014, we have seen the pastor played a significant role in military road. so he, he was responsible for an operation administratively ocean in big guys the at that time, 2014 for depression, dignity, and that was the beginning of a significant minutes for campaign. and his influence in that part of libya and he became the leader of the libya national army. so the i, then i let an a and b is based in to brook. he's one of the most popular military groups in the country. and he is receiving support from various countries

including the united states. so he is not on his own, on the military fit in libya, but to use one of the most popular and clear military plans. so as we look at the reset, the stabilization in new share and more broadly across the so how could we say this is a knock on effect after the fall of libya and after the death of gadhafi? when we understand what's happening today in africa is indeed related to what's happening and what happened in libya and therefore to conduct the so good tasks understood that the unity among the outcome entries is impossible. because many countries, particularly the goods for all the rich countries, wherever they tied to the us and uh, where hosting us spaces, military bases, and with complete, to deliver it to the guys to return to that, you know,

by turning towards africa. he wanted to do and he started exactly what the bricks is doing today. and what did you, what order is trying to impose? it says to kick out to the us, to germany and to give back to the african, the dignity and stop the west in their resources. that's so good that we had the vague grand vision for africa. truly his rules. he a position slip. yeah, i just center there enough for getting it say it was a vicious, it was driven by a mix of a is not ideal to g economy and political motivation, although he embraced the non most in african countries as well. and he had many initiatives you started with the kind of african union and the transforming the

organization for the oxygen unit into oxygen unit. and then he did that in 2011. before he was kid. he saw at the union as a step, a c would a little bit away from the control of the united states and from the european colonialism control it. but. ringback his vision was not fully embraced by the african leaders because of the, the possible presence of france and germany in the united states in africa. who did not want our project to stand so soon. and he also wanted to the present the african investment, investing billions of dollars in africa, and that he invested in a different sector including agriculture, small businesses than he, telecommunication reinstates hotels and much more. so he has invested

in uh, in the, in bank. you want to degrade the african bank? he wanted to create the go do you know? and i think that was one of the reasons why you was made a kid. and that was in vicious brand. so today off the guys waking up on all that. and they see how the, the african when's, is over when me, but it is misuse is stolen by the west and that. so this is why we've seen in my, the book and that price. so, and yet they kicking out the french and getting rid of the french colonialism and i think other african countries would follow, but that would be much slower and more gradual. all right, coming up next france, a former colonial power across much of africa. did they try to assess, make gadhafi in the eighty's? we'll discuss it when we return with elijah and maggie

a so tight. the m. o will be right back. the the this is assault on the people of god, so it continues unabated. and why wouldn't it? is released when given a blank check by the west to unilaterally and not be bound by any constraints to proceed as of which is a 2nd. the bug is being carried out again against the palestinians. the 1918,

the countries of the west won the final victory over the ottoman empire. the sultan's government capitulated to the inside and sign that humiliating armesis of low drugs great britain and france and italy wanted not only to destroy the ottoman empire, but also to divide the prime orderly turk as lands among themselves. in 1919, their armies began to land on turkish territory. but the west decided to choose greece as the main striking force. seeking to make others realize this aggressive plan. for an intervention, provo mass, indignation among the turkish peoples. the national liberation struggle was led by the experience of general mustafah come all as a 3rd in order to bear down the enemy, a bank on the mobilization of the nation. and the alliance with russia, which acted as a united front, with turkish patriots. at the end of august 1922,

the third's army won a decisive victory over the invaders in the battle of doom. libby not and within a month liberated all asia minor from them. the impressive success of the circus army force the west to make concessions. in 1923, the loss on these treaty was signed dirty. one of the 1st countries in asia manage to defeat the colonial and buyers and defend its independence. becoming an example for millions of via press on the planet. the welcome back to the m. o. i am manila chant, recently a to time former prime minister of italy, juliano amato, now 85 years old. told the media that a french air force missile accidentally down and

a tally and passenger jet in the mediterranean sea back in 1980 that missile intended for good duffy's military jet, which he did not board after being tipped off by the italians. gadhafi dodged that, attempted assassination and many others, and his time to go on ruling libya for another 31 years after that alleged incident . as reported by mister amato, elijah maggie, a veteran war correspondent is back with us to discuss this complicated history and relationship. so elijah, outside of his country as it pertains to the west, they had the sort of on, again, off, again relationship with gadhafi. they sometimes liked him, other times loved him. you know, they painted him as something of a lunatic or, or loose cannon. but they, for the most part, tolerated him. what was the final straw with him?

what drove the us to leave this campaign to not only ouster him, but kill him? i mean, was it the d dollarization talk? the pan african coalition ideas? the gold standard? gold dinar. what was it that turned him into a pariah by the west? you would actually own what you have mentioned really. you see good that for you. when he started, he bid a major infrastructure across africa. he bids road bridges, mosque and, and one of the biggest projects that he did was name as the great man made river. and that was design of an adult with names of concrete pipeline of 4000 kilometers and also to meet this ranges. and that he, he started the project in 1983 and he finish it in 1996. but to

his plan for i forgot to introduce the african bank. like what the chinese did today as the asian, the bank, it to substitute you had the international money through sound. and the was bank introducing this and injecting 100 a 100 of billions of dollars that she had. and he wanted to put such a big capital and bring all the african means really cutting off the west and the united states preventive control to fight for guy also. because indeed, not is not to be on the estimated because he believes he needed to free africa from the economic defenders on the west. and he charlies the dominance of the us doctor and the you. so this is what today the bricks is doing. and now their last meeting, they decided to deal with their local county. and this is why that is

something that the americans can never allow. so that was one of the main reason why it was skin. and he was giving aid that to be used for different vice purposes . it was building hospitals and schools and funding scholarship for african citizen . not only libyan so his involvement in promoting the old, this revival of africa. oh, was really accepted by the west. i mean, look today, yeah, friends buys you ranging from the jack at the 0.8 dollars, you know, when in kind of that is sold for $200.00 a kito. so what i have from c span $220000000.00 a year to the j in exchange of the reserve of the uranium cost. in

fact, $54000000000.00 on the free market. all that with the arrival. good, good that for you. and he's or grand i, yes, with the have put and to all that and to the u. s. a n d u and the west and colonialism and was cut off the sheet or the steps of the african natural resources. and this is why they couldn't wow, that is quite a profit. so libya had deep ties to italy and france under gadhafi. can you explain that for us as well? yes, you have relations with it in france during the doctor, you were on different levels. so you started going to different normally go political and strategic dang mention. so let me add it to the add. uh they are oh,

and the colonial and the history between 19111943. so the that laid the foundation for the relationship that was the defender and later on into an improvement of the relationship, particularly doing good stuff. he took the power in the late sixty's and he said he became one of leave us most important trading office. the distance is racial by c, as in, maybe i use the export or any and the any the guy in the energy company was in a direct, the heavily involved in the they've been or the guys exploration and production. and the in 2008 infiniti and libya song, they started per tree. it was known as a friendship tree. and then that the pop in corporations agreement. and the

way it did it agreed to pay $5000000000.00 in compensation for it's going to in your room. is this something that france is refusing to do with the julia and other african country? so as an exchange, libya promised to supply the with or, and to try and stop all the migration. uh that is crossing to the tiny show. and um, the front and said are like, is it in a significant economic interest in libya? the french company are involved in it. it may be also in the only infrastructure and the in providing what the student of yeah, often the goodness of cuz he presented himself as a president, 2007, a good doctor financed is campaign. this is why the presidency was one that they need those in europe who even before the united nation, a resolution to defend the civilian. so yes,

the relationship is old is sorted during good, that fee. i remember the famous picture sort of your baby is going you when there was a prime minister kissing the end of get dr. you when he land at the airport. if you regina, so all this, it's a history and it's very grounded history. but unfortunately they or because 5 to put him looking into the future, what does the future of libya look like? do the warring factions make peace and re unite the country? what about all the oil fields and should, should there be un interventions here, at least on humanitarian grounds? for this thing, the future in libya is trying to g a. the situation has been very fluid then since the assassination of get duffy um

the or the moment of health search, assigning ceasefire and disagreement and for the 2 government to talk to each other and add the presence of bias, fractions each with its own set of interest in foreign backers makes the peace process very complicated. yeah. and the international pressure is on and off and it depends on the interest. so you have the united states, then you have the immune rate. you have the day key and you have your, your and because of the large oil reserves and that's it. yeah, that is the money addiction. it is not a blessing. it may have been a blessing for the i have for the libyan. and when the doctor was around, but today is a cost because everybody wants the oil and everybody wants to control your width of

the glass eh, reducing the production. and so the european and the americans are going to dig and not the guy made the libya because libya and the rest of africa, all very rich in or didn't guys. so in the peaceful it's in, are you in the reconstruction of the economy, the oil and guys were with the, under the control, the libya is this what the americans and europeans, one in this crisis where they are fighting the russians they are not taking? was they austin taking the rushing guys in on that without denouncing it but not like before. and they off struggling because actually guy is cutting the road on an ex protein the african continent. and they want to be treated on equal basis and send their natural resources on the fed market price. so the

reason to belies in libya really be sort of yeah, i don't think i'm today for it falls into the interest of the western community. the, the reconstruction of libya will bring a lot of money because it, yeah, has, i see. but it, this what the west one, i doubt that there is any need for a peace today in different countries. i'm state, we're countries because only with the, with the united states is surviving. and today the, the us up ministration is freezing. all the other conflict in the why, particularly in syria and iraq, doesn't want to put out ok by north east area. there's a want to put out from the right. not withstanding the decision of the iraq upon them in, but they want to keep the,

the stuff to cool as it is because they've very busy in fighting russia and trying to upset the chinese at the same time. so this is why it's difficult to say that there is a way to peace because we haven't seen for the last 23 years. any mother, any european and american mother or natal mother debris piece anywhere. but to bring on the wall, there's what they have done, and i've got this done. i've done in the rock, in libya, in syria, and they know going to stop suddenly, but the beast had installed, saying, we want peace to re get it to be re game in libya, we want to re establish peace because this is not, their philosophy does not the doctrine they don't think is a set of weapons, and now they have it, they cross their market. it's sending webpage to or western and eastern europeans

because they are send these countries all sending all their weapons to fight frustrating ukraine. and the americans all supplying these countries, new weapons, but not for free because they sending it to these countries. and the, the pre tax offs, demonizing, russia and afraid of russia as invasion if you're, which is completely ridiculous and nonsensical. so to return to your question, i think it's very difficult to see any piece in the next 2 years. as long as binding is in power and we don't see what the next president is going to bring with him. yeah, sadly, it sounds like peace and libya or reconstruction is many, many years away. uh, elijah maga, thank you so much, elijah is a veteran war correspondent. um make sure you check out elijah's work at e j. maggie a dot com. thank you for being with us. great to be here and thank you for your

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