amendments proposed by russia, i bought an immediate cease fire and condemnation of a tax on the civilian population dot at the dots. those delegations did not support them or voted against them, essentially pulse stuff into bloodshed in the middle east. you have major choice and you will have to bear the responsibility for it to the citizens of your countries to enter the countries on the regions. the united states made a point of reiterating that they totally support israel, and they consider a mazda, the, a terrorist organizations. shina also to up to the floor, emphasizing that they were disappointed as well in the failure of this important resolution to pass due to show our reaction to the fact that dropped resolutions failed to be adopted. a short and disappointment, it was the only possible drug the council could reach consensus under the current circumstances. the situation and goals are deteriorating rapidly, escalating more and more civilians are being surprised with their lives. now it's been a common point of complaint from many members of the un security council over the

past couple years that it seems like the body is unable to actually move ahead and accomplish anything on the ground. the point that demands the a reiterated before the council after this resolution is vito, that in this case, the prevention of real action to implement a ceasefire when it comes to the situation. gaza is costing human life quite nat geo binds on board ad for one heading back to washington. the following is when trip to israel, but the president may not be getting the ball most of welcomes on return. so as far as, as of storm capitol hill, demonte and immediate fits 5 in the israel palestinian conflict. so gathering aside the fight was a ton low and nobody's r allow they pulled for this. the escalation of the confidence and an end to the ongoing findings in gaza. the riley was organized by the jewish voice. something's processes were full to be removed from the building, and the number of arrests were reports and the name of that. so for this news out

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hello and welcome to cross stock. we're all things are considered. i'm peter le, about the west is all in on the side of israel. it is essentially forbidden to speak of the escalation and negotiations at this point. israel's war aims are unclear. however, if we use history as a guide, there is no military solution to this conflict. it could only be a political resolution, the a cross searching palestine. i'm joined by my guess, misty winston in columbus. she is a political activist as well as hosts of the miss, the winston show on t n. t radio in london. we have proof. i cite, she is a political and social broadcasts are on t v news and in st. petersburg we crossed to us on now he is

a professor at the department of political science and international relations at boston university. hard cross eyed girls and the fact that music can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, let's go to our guest in london. you know, i'm, you very rarely quote the new york times in this program because it's not enough to or tatum source of information. needless to say when it comes to power respond, but they had a uh, a guest op ed that asked a very important question if not the most important question when it comes to this conflict. and it's titled, does the us really want a mass expulsion in gaza? and i think that is the question here. we can talk about the strategy and tactics and all of this. but that's what it gets down to is the fate of gaza. your thoughts, please? the ultimate e, this is up to do e concerning because what we see, we have like the western world totally involved in this as well. and from the perspective of somebody that fits in great bridge and i can see how heavy that is right now. i'm just map it's functions that we do look at this is something that the incrementally been happening for decades so such and that we know that there is

a side or both fighting nets and yahoo, that probably want to have an expulsion of gone from a spreadsheet that then moving paul at the moment because what we know is, soon as i've gotten hausteen's ok, it's spelled from being on that land get occupied. perhaps this has something moved to do. we not really once in a 2 state solution. sorry. so it's april. so we have mole, i'm, they can just go ahead with one state solution. no. need to to that and the that's, well that's where they really get the boils down to miss the i we, we had secretary of state uh, blinking um, really hot monday. no jumping around the middle east, um uh, trying to reenact henry kissinger as a shuttle diplomacy, which he apparently has failed utterly. there are no deliverables here. and he said, you know, we're, we want to set up. we're thinking about doing. we want to plan. he's not doing any of those things for the reasons that our guest just said in london, this is a way,

somehow to, to conduct an expulsion of 2200000 people and get away with it and call themselves humanitarians in the process. go ahead, misty. it's incredibly interesting to watch it play out and you're absolutely right . i think that blinking is very clearly not gotten any kind of deliverables, anything of substance. and i think that that was probably never the goal. i think it's almost certainly the what we've just described here that they are attempting to, you know, as we mentioned this has been going on for decades. and i think that this is just an escalation of the, of the expulsion that we've been seeing, or just trying to, um, you know, wrap this up a little bit and move it along a little bit quicker. and so i think we're trying, they're, they're trying to, as you said, get these uh, get the house doings out of the north. so they'll just move in to that land. and i think uh, you know, we have people like nikki haley um, fully full throated support. of taking in a 1000000 palestinians into the united states, which is interesting considering her rhetoric about immigration in general. but i think that the reason why her and others like her are doing that is because if those palestinians come here is we'll get to take that land. well,

that's on the in st. petersburg, and there was joe biden had an interview a few days ago. i think it was c b s news, and he said it would be a mistake for israel to occupy garza. and then he said in the same interview, and i don't know why it's hard to tell what if this guy and so you know, it is. see it so see nile now is this, is it a gap? is he letting something revealing something he said he talked about a palestinian authority. is he talking about the p a in the west bank? cuz it sounds like they want to get my food a boss on it, on the back of it is really paint and take them to gaza. go ahead and st. petersburg as well. i would think and one day america's talk about and or supply they don't hold on because i or, or launching a full scale made general oppression into that type of buy is or as being a mistake. i would think they are a bit talking about your paula tickler is so

a united states which would get you enrolled in the middle east and offers again. and again, that would start to cut the internet, demonstrate the united states, and sort of disengage months from do you pay new conflict? i mean, what does, what do you bring in complex as got top to? and there is a stage where the western world has lost the board, but you know, when it comes to appreciate a, an ard meeting that they have lost it, do you need something as some sort of protects perhaps. but and, and this is one thing, the other thing, uh, the, if the united states were to get enrolled in mid, at least in politics, affairs, and military conflicts over and over again. this would not only the tongue tied into united states against any government in power, but it would also give china and for the time to basically genuine with its economy

development and making its military preparations. would you got to potential boarding type on if they had, if they're talking about these jewel paula to co concerns in mind about what it is then. and we would wish that these jewel political concerns would sort of pretty strain. these really is from any large scale military operation in garza and the other side of the calling is israel has found a pretext on which it wants to launch a large scale, many total oppression in gaza. but then the problem is that it would basically it would not, it be easier for you, sir, as to, to do what do you want us to do? it's part of all these people from gaza is almost a sheet impossible it there. as i can see from my what i stand and it is and what

type of sustain, you know, most casualties. israel is not a country that can easily sustain casualties, and uh they the government and empower good. sort of explain it to the public. well, it was go back to london, a booster? uh, it seems to me that come us basically game this out. they had a pretty good idea exactly what israel was going to do. and israel is doing it, is we have doesn't have a strategy. this is all about revenge, but that is, that is for teaching mistake. okay. and, and how mazda is a fully aware of this, and they know that, um, at a certain point there is, has belong in other regional players that will react. i don't know exactly what no one does, but this is a mazda understood what they were doing, and i'm not. i am not covering for her mouse, and a mazda a fighters if they committed atrocities in israel. they should be held accountable

for like israeli should be held, accounted for atrocities go ahead in london. the ultimately, i think, you know, this is a very complex political placement right now as well. and i think from also ways e e, some where that very this illusion about 2 state solution that saudi has been in discussions with jordan and with the usa and with israel. because ultimately since 2009, when and benjamin netanyahu even endorsed the 2 state politics that he would discuss that they have still been occupying pulse of palestine, pulse of gaza. so this will, it's an illusion. and so maybe from themself, know, the actually there is a honesty and they say the truth is the house that trap what sets up israel has been led into a and so both of them are playing the game that they want to play. ultimately, i believe the 2 state solution is an illusion. there was another thought to definitely do. well, i think there might, there might have been it one time, but dear. that was a long,

long time ago. and let me go back to misty in columbus. i'm glad this was brought up here. the 2 state solution when joe biden said joe biden, when it was viable, joe biden was a young man. okay. when it's that, that's how, that's how ridiculous this is right now. there is no 2 states solution is really never wanted it and what they wanted is to cobble up as much wine as they can. and they want to do it all over again with gaza, misty for sure. i think of the 2 state solution as, as long gone. i think that there was a time when that was maybe a possibility. i think even a mazda, they agreed to the 1967 borders. my dear to say they did, they did. they didn't want to recognize israel, but they were willing to accept those 1967 border. so i think that that was a possibility at one time i think it was always very tenuous, but i think that we have long since passed that that window of opportunity. i think that there is no way that, that especially given everything that has happened over this past week, i think that there is absolutely no case for that to be made whatsoever. so i think that we are certainly looking at a, as you said, at the very top of the show,

this needs to be a political solution. this needs be, you know, something that is not military. there is no military solution for this. i think that we've seen that play out over decades and we are either going to see the bombing to continue and the desk continue. or there's going to be a political solution that somebody and acts and just think of that's going to be a one state solution for everybody has equal rights. and that's the plan. and it's been for a very long time, but you have to have willing, honest players to do that. and we don't, in this case, you sign, it seems to me, it seems to me that a mazda is willing to commit suicide to save the palestinian people. is that and the over statement was difficult to tell whether how much cultures that basically created to try to re, certainly into um, to basically keep the policy need uh, ship palestinian resistance. um, uh, conscience one way or do a live one way or the other, or whether actually how much actually tested. it's

a new capabilities that because over the over the last few years equal, i mean acquired is difficult to say. but what it is, is it for israel, where to go in to guys in the into way. we are all expecting done then it will turn into into big truck parties. are there is no question about it. but at the same time, the problem is, and the policy new question lingers on, how are you going to the solve it? you know, it was easy for all those states to basically uh, auto, uh, at 2 to 2 state solution to, to yes, it would be better, but you would have to have. and you certainly government really willing and serious in good faith negotiating a settlement today or on the, i'm sorry or a suffer, a military defeat. that is the only way that is going to happen. goodwill. why the

money? i mean, if you got good the such a military defeat done, we're going to have to wait. okay, we'll have to wait and we're gonna have to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with hockey. the, the known in vietnam american war, the vietnam war lost it for almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any times with now you don't see it now. why did all i'm empty? hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to bank the south vietnamese on me. i thought

about that. not what the american soldiers miller did resist as most of us like the down entire villages and spread dangerous chemicals. and even lee by all right, did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah. yeah. that's, that's a ways to go. yeah. the welcome back to cross ok. we're all things are considered to remind you we're discussing palestine the okay, let's go back to our guest in london and another one of the burning questions when

everything is said and done. i mean this conflict will come to an end. at some point i'd, we believe it has to her risk costs for civilians and everyone all around. this is absolutely tragic here, but who will rule gaza? see this is i think this is where i think um um blinking and others are trying to find a way where they can continue the open air prison just have the they need a more amenable present. more your thoughts? a quite cool, one of the discussions that we're having here with the case is about the moral high ground alexis thankful these discussion, the israel at the moment, hold the model 5 grounds of the number of the as the day told it increases as more palestinians died effectively, and they all going to lose that. and even though we are going to see, you know, of them claiming that they all do release to defend himself. you know, mean some, some people when he greeted us what they want to do,

but essentially they will lose that and they will not hold them model high brand. so i think at that point it's going to be turning point full kind of thing in people, and then that will establish who is going to run garza, i'm kind of funny because even at the moment i don't know, but i certainly know that they all do this in a little space globally. i think pete, oh yeah, maybe. yeah. what's going on? oh, absolutely. yeah. that was one of my questions and i think that a, no, you can have western capital is throw all their support they want. as i said in the top of the program, but if you look at the protests all through europe, i mean that they are not reflecting the government whatsoever, and they should have been expected. it should have been very much expect that it'll miss be one of the very odd situations that were there. the world is facing here is that are up to at least $500.00 nationals in god. so that how foreign passports, many of them from the u. k. the united states, what about their lives? they are of any value whatsoever. i don't see anthony blinking talking about those

people. i don't hear the british government to talking about their own nationals as well. miscreants, a man, a real quandary because as you know, who has the moral high ground go ahead, misty, know you're absolutely right. and i think that we've also seen these really officials a, you know, they, they very clearly do not care about those people or the hostages that have been taken. and i think that that's why they don't, in my opinion, they do not hold the moral high ground at this point. i think that we have seen the support for is real. i think that they're very cynical campaign of labeling any criticism of the as really government is anti semitic. think of that is very much loss. it's effectiveness and i think people are starting to see through that charade. and i think since the internet burst onto the scene in particular, i think some social media really became a galvanizing force. i think that we have started to see public opinion shift on this issue in a huge way. and i think that the protests that we've, we've seen over the course of the past week, are certainly indicative of that. i think that around the world, i think of the people recognize who the oppressor is, who the oppressed is, regardless of what the current situation is. and i think that that's, i think,

i think that's why we're starting to see a little bit of desperation. in my opinion, from is the israel. i think they realize they're starting to lose that information more. and i think that that's something that they're trying to contend with. yeah, that's why their favorite weapon is censorship. okay. yeah. and i know a lot about that about having the wrong thoughts. okay. so let's go back to you in st. petersburg is, let's look at the players on the ground. we have a mouse, we have has the law, we have iran and collectively they are very powerful. but when each one of them acts separately, they're not as powerful. that's why i think it has the laws role, and this will only grow because if a mazda is taken out, then has the law is weakened and the ranch view of the region also. so do you see them working collectively together? because if there is any, any real form of an ethnic cleansing has blah has to react, it simply has to go ahead and st. petersburg as well. i agree. and in the case

of a whole scale, i must go to all the guys on paper. you know all the harder for the pictures, streaming, auto, gaza. i would think and it would be impossible for his beloved to remain at posse phone. look, at some stage they might are getting moved and we all know is below are, is much more capable of conducting a type of welfare that has created that gaze these rio and you know, the military conflict and it has it being able to repel any israeli attack on hasn't the law and the, the last one was in the 200-2006 and as belie gain managed to inflict heavy casualties on these trail and pushed israel back. and since then, i think they have been re all being in every sense and they keep saying that they

are a ticket. and then what size critique any part to be 0. i'm whether or not this would actually happen. it would largely depend on what the strategy does in gaza, i would think and, and how basically, how much would calculate the pros and cons of entering the conflict. but whether the united states would also get into the conflict and bomb his role as well. output positions together with these trail and whether they would uh, data intervention uh, would make a great deal of impact on the israeli position or on whether they would actually push almost back and push it as well out back. it depends on a lot of things, but the view um the problem, what would what lie we did on you know,

the time you all was seems to one the basically it take the matter comes together with israel, you know, come paying against the wrong well yeah, that's it, that's what it seems to me to let me go back to london. yeah, i'm glad this was brought up so many. ah, who wants to be americans to attack it ran during all of this and they will take care of, of gaza. which of course, in a lot of circles in the united states and the foreign policy blog, they would love that because nobody will be talking about the power city and somebody just talking about how they've gone after the mules. that's what they're thinking. but i absolutely believe that if the us started attacking has block around has assets all through the region, the american military bases would pay a very high price. go ahead in london. oh, absolutely. i mean, lots of people have been discussing it to say that based as well, israel wants they ultimately want us to pack them. and if it gets to that point, i do genuinely believe that it's going to be a tough catastrophe. if it gets to that point,

we are going to have has the law who are not actually going to defend garza, they are going to do the project to go off. as we see that international rules are brokerage has a logo have no choice, but to, in, to be on. the people cannot underestimate the power that had been law had right now . you know, people are discussing about, you know, a mission, how many weapons you have had to pull it. what we've seen happen would come off with how much to do a in comparison, they pay to high school. no, no, the ultimate is going to go down the road of iran. i will say police of 5 and isn't going to it back. that by doing is not going to buy. that is why we see him slowly back track. he's now saying we need to de escalate. this cannot extend, but it seems like there were internal politics between them. yahoo and by then we'll say don't be so they on the, on the same page i, the, i genuinely, really bad. yeah. well, you know, he's wag the dog, you know, that's, that's always been the situation here. you know, you know, misty. i usually don't talk about the domestic american politics here,

but to mind is down in the polls. nobody who particularly likes him, the economy is not doing well. he's got some family problem safety and know what i mean. and his war and ukraine is gone nowhere. it's been a boon dog. oh, my goodness. a new opportunity is on the horizon because he would even when he was vice president, his relationship with netanyahu was very poor. i was poor during the 1st part of his administration year. and now he has an opening. is this parasitical politics misty? i certainly don't put it past them. i mean i, i agree. i agree with you completely. i agree. i definitely don't put it past them . i think that we've seen this time and time again, any time a president happens to be in trouble in the polls or without approval leading number. there's always that war button that they can push to kind of boost themselves. and i think that we've seen kind of, you know, the shadows of that we've seen the ukraine situation, i think was a great example of him trying to bolster his numbers. that obviously didn't work out in his favor. but we've seen him. i mean,

just recently gave an interview or where he was asked, can we handle towards the same time he's like, yeah, we're america, you know, like word for the most powerful country on earth. and he's trying to, uh, you know, create a sense of strength to create a sense of leadership. i just don't think that it's going to be enough. i think, as you said, he is already so far down in the polls already. his, his presidency has been kind of a nightmare and really effective on so many friends. i think the people are really fed up in particular. i think they're really fed up with these continual and non stop or so i think that while this may have worked in the past, i'm a little bit skeptical about how it would be effective here. it don't go into 2024, but we will see we just say, well, well miss the, i mean, you know, you guys go back to tony blitzkrieg, the secretary of state. okay. i mean, so he oversaw the evacuation of couple he's hoping to solve this ridiculous war and ukraine. and now he's could it be henry kissinger really. okay. but it says these people are so out of their depth. let me go to a side because we're running out of time here. as on. i think the region for the

most part. now what makes it different now is that they're not as afraid of the united states as they used to be. do you agree with that or that kind of that oh yes, definitely. because um, but with the emergence of multiple out of it, i mean, you can see lots of countries changing their traditional positions about for the multiply to. we could have hardly seen it on and sold a, b a and a called follow up countries, basically normalizing data relations. but for multiple large gain, we could hardly have seen touchy and cutting a balancing act between nato and russia and other powers in the world. so there multiple r 8 days going to play is going to impact on demand least probably greater expense . and at any us enrollment in the way we are describing would be it would turn out to be a terrible mistake. well, if it's, you know, in closing here,

i think it's, it's, we shouldn't really reflect upon the fact that it took the start of this, of this conflict in there. and again, no one should be given a pass for atrocities. but it, it took such a tragic event for the world to remember that there are people suffering in palestine on the golf and also strip all of a sudden we have to remember that we're being forced to be moral people. again, that's very, very difficult in the west, and i think that, you know, as this plays out here, we have to remember with the tape of moral compass and speak out for people that have no power. and that's exactly what i'm trying to do on this program. and i'll, and i appreciate all 3 of you participating in that. that's all the time we have one, i think my guessing, columbus london and in st. petersburg. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are key. see you next time we member across on the

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the, the full scale, all the devastation, gradually images for lying and s like on the hospital in gauze on post is well, i'm how to find the thing. there are some of the pile, the re families. i left the store. my message to the people is to stand for the truth. don't be afraid of the americans. don't be afraid of these really air force. hold onto the last drop of blood. we can hear cell bombs going off to your gas being deployed by security forces. just protecting the u. s embassy . in bottles, there was a barricade and the boils and 11 on over the left side with protests is once again, crashing with the police in front of us.