[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the i'm action or time seeing, welcome back to going underground bulk of single around the world from the united that remember it's well before tuesdays christian hospital atrocity and gaza, the shop the well that was the russia. you a china mozambique gamble, and back to you and resolution calling for cx. 5. it was rejected by the usa. u. k . front nato countries. arming is rails, aerial bombardment of 2300000 people, off of whom our children are. bleed has refused to even meet with us president

biden, when he flew in to support nothing. yahoo saudi arabia condemned in the strongest terms when they called the heinous crime committed by israeli occupation forces in the shelling of the hospital. joining me in the saudi capitalist, solomon islands, sorry. according to our muse was the most influential political pundits in the middle east and 2021. thank you so much, solomon for coming on of this. so obviously very sad the time. any update on the saudi response to what's happening in a week when which byte and then the british prime minister flew off to tel aviv to support nothing yahoo off to the era voting against a ceasefire view and security council. yeah, thank you so much options. it's great to be back with you. it's actually, it's, i tried to do what we are witnessing right now, and there are no words that can explain the human suffering in front of everyone's eyes with regards to saudi arabia different. i believe us how it is,

and during this year alone, and before this goes, conflict initiated $21.00 strong statements against the practices of the far right government. off of israel, they condemned accelerated, illegal annexation into weeks in the west bank. the back. the idea of taking out some families from their homes, the publications against the whole, the stomach sides and the killing of more than $200.00 palestinians. and that was back so, so, and i was just before because i just this year and they explicitly the government and sorry for the explicitly said that these practices will explode the situation and endangered the peace process, which we are unfortunately witnessing right now. and, and as for the current, uh, saudi position to start the official position right now with regards to the cuz the situation is primarily focusing a lot on the importance of the escalation of having

a humanitarian assistance access and condemning and condemning the killing of civilians from all sides and the complete projection of the force displayed the displacement plans of civilians and also definitely condemning the occupation and the 2 states and tend to mention that the 2 state solution is the only way for peace. why does it, why does this is a lift aids? 2 guys are given obviously the impossibility of the raffle crossing. yeah. here's the thing, the saudis and a directions under doing thing as have old voiced, the concern about the idea of not having access to the humanitarian. a societies have made it very clear along with the edge of sense. and the thing is that they would be a bringing a to, to, to, to, to, to go so, but how can you bring a to does a since you are bombarding even even the, the, the, the place where you actually want to, to, to back. but right now we have seen how the saudis have pushed americans. specifically when secretary blinking came 3 all they made it very clear that you

have to, it's actually 50 that's we are trying our best to convince the americans to have access to humanitarian 8. it's really a pity and it's going to be as pain on the u. s. a part definitely we have seen recently that they have lowered their, their status right now. they, the americans are actually more open with the idea of, of giving the 8th to, to, to the listing. and so that's a good development. but it's unfortunate that the came after a strong push from rewards and kyra, i mean you worked out of washington. you know how the americans think. i know the one state department official has already resigned from blinking state department george pool director of the political military affairs at the state department resigned with his bite and guides and strategy. why do you think they voted against a cease fire during an ongoing conflict where

a 1000000 children are at risk of dying, of being killed? what's your understanding of, i mean, did as lots of people been killed yet? yeah, i suppose no one can deny the fact that the con to us foreign policy is literally a disaster. it's most one impulses not on strategies. it's, is react to another proactive. and, and as i said earlier, who have imagined to us to be reluctant to allowing access, i'm pretty minutes are in a to be saved and bombarded posting and children and what all right, sorry. you've monitored the savvy us relations for years, maybe decades. have you ever seen anything like this kind of behavior from washington in public? it is actually very interesting and surprising for the fact that the american democrats, they were the ones who claim to be champ, tuning the philistines, and they were the wasteful, were trying to solve the issue with the state solution. but when they came to tests, we saw how they were completely biased. and this is very,

very unfortunate and history will not forget these actions because we're not speaking off of more as we are speaking of civilians we are speaking of women and children. we have one that 4000 people got killed by this brutal bombardment of the i b s. it's very, very, very sad with we are with this thing right now, but let's keep the whole pipe. the americans are right now trying to rectify their trajectory by looking at things and naming things by their names. because that's going to be a big staying on the u. s. foreign policy forever. if they have really allowed this apartment to continue without having real access to humanitarian aid, you see some watching this program across the arab world in the islamic world may be wondering why you have any hopes left about this uh, the japanese own financial times, a mis quoting and i'm named a g 7 diplomat saying we have definitely lost the battle in the global south of to

the support for a zalinski and ukraine, the proxy war in russia. and now the absolute military support for nothing yahoo to kill these palestinian civilians. why do you have these hopes still? i'm having hope because i believe in humanity at the end of the day. definitely, as i said earlier, the us foreign policy is a disaster. but that doesn't mean that these people who hold these policies are humans. they are humans and they need to come back to their mind and to see things and to call things by their names. and it's an absolute reductionism. if we only look at the 7th of october and talk about it without talking about the root cause of the 7 dictates long conflict, and it will put it this way. the 7th of october plus 70 years occupation. and in other words, the rise of come, us isn't, is right, any responsibility, it's an option. let me tell you of here on the bar rock in the form of lift that

was already the prime minister, a huge box. he was, he, he was once asked a what we'd do if he was a posting and doing anything, you always tear. do you know what he exactly said? well peter, he said he was a poet spinning and citizen under nothing else term, he would go and join a thorough scope to fight back and i'm not making things up. you'll be able to watch my interview with the rack and he walked out in my interview and i explained to him that he a well they with the midwives all from us after all as, as we remember. but rather than your hopes of any kind of sense coming out of washington, do you think that the conference and b s and others have different hopes that there is a new world now, emerging devoid of the declining power of the united states, learn west and europe's and presumably that was discussed when urgently pads in the middle of the night, the runs foreign minister and say,

now me or underlying flew to jazz or i think of just off of the hospital atrocity. i've never seen anything like it myself since covering this from the middle east during the 2nd intifada. isn't, i mean, what did you make of the fact that runs foreign minister flew in for this extraordinary meeting this week of the is that you always reference? yeah. was it, it goes to iran, as you know, that we have had this kind of normalization. it doesn't mean that we have result of the issues we have with them. definitely. there are a lot of issues at stake and you know, what washington thought drove when they saw this happening. you know what happened in blankets heavy mostly most of the problematic angle of that was because of the bulk or the broker was china and for the americans, they are super sensitive with regards to anything related to china. having diplomatic, strong relations tend to be a broker in both piece and, and can be seen as a pace maker in the middle east or anywhere else. so we understand that. but at the

end of the day, we are going to take our decisions by ourselves to find a way through which we can actually the price point of them is at least into a land of opportunity rather than blood shit. and that does that mean we, saudis will be in complete agreement for the uranium i don't think so. i don't think that's gonna even happen at any time soon. but we are trying to figure out a way through which we can actually called wrist and to reduce the tension as much as yeah, i wasn't even talking about the sensitivities of a bricks in china that order on really because is it true? i got a, do you understand that it was true that the crown prince, mom had been someone just kept blinking waiting when he was flying everywhere trying to presumably make our bleed is support. the alleged genocide and gaza. i did it keeping wasted so much. thank you. for ser, thank you so much for mentioning the word genocide because that's the way it should

be described. and the fact that the, the saudis have been very vocal and it's very easy to tell that they are very disturbed with the way that us handled the whole thing. and actually remember and is really historian and a holocaust score. the ross. so you go, he said a couple of days ago, a couple of days ago, he said that what's going on right now in goza is a textbook case of genocide, a textbook case of to. and so i think some is really is labeled him as so facing joe. and if that's the case, then what about the remarks of the defense minister is wrote when he called god zones as human animals. after saying that, they definitely decided to pass the test that the water food, a fuel from guns which has over 2000000 people, half of them are children. so. so may argue that the only men come us, which has not through human everyone. but let's for the sake of argument, give them the benefit of the doubt and, and, and consider what they've said to be quality. talking about how it's been,

what about the president of israel's remarks when he said that? because then as citizens are also responsible because they didn't take how much out in directly he is indicating that all civilians are legitimate targets. so may also argue i'll go think the method and without that he said it out of anger and he didn't mean it. then that's also give them the benefit of the doubt. and what about the specimen of the i b f. when he said we focus on destruction and not the curacy for the sake of argument. let's also give them the benefit of the dallas because they are angry right now. so what about the freaking i b s. actions forgot sake. over the top, over $4000.00, the civilians got killed. half of them are children. like, what can we make about that? what can we, what can we say about that? 100 children gets killed every day. there is nothing more despicable. do you think that was what was behind the crime? pretty hard to cover for such an obviously this couldn't have happened. but this

couldn't have happened without us military funded. nothing there is really government relies on the us. so is that why the crown prince mom had been selling and it kept blinking, waiting and well, i mean, over reason monthly is the look. i don't have a problem with the idea of then americans funding that is regulated because we, we've known that the israelis went and have actually existed without the american supports. even during the past tours. but at the end of the day, we want real peace between israel and the arbel. and you cannot achieve that. it's so wishful thinking to achieve that without draining the swamp of terrorism, which early can happen through the 2 prostate solution. because the only way to diffuse and to remove military group is to accept the fact that they are humans, human beings, besides, you will have been there and you have picked them from their houses and, and give them the,

they're absolutely the right. i'm not speaking of what the palestinians think or what are the things or what the lessons think i'm speaking of the security council thing i didn't mention i'm speaking of the international community. every one to say is that is right, isn't occupier. so where are the international laws? so my problem with the united states right now is that how come you are the one who owns always talk about of the international laws on how to abide by the rules. and when it comes to this specific issue, you always say, oh, it's complicated. so just someone say on many issues though. so i'm on that line. sorry, i'll, i'll stop you there. more from the middle east, most influential, political funded in 2021. according to our muse after this break, the, the

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in the meantime, palestinians and gaza are, are dying of record numbers. the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with someone else on sorry, the middle east, the most influential political pundits in 2021. according to our news sound on just before we went to the break, you were talking about the 2 states. i'll get on to that. maybe in a 2nd, but you know, in nature a nation propaganda media, they were talking about normalization between your kingdom of saudi arabia and israel, seen by the international community as committing war crimes at the moment. i mean, how can there even be any mutual defense treaty as was being discussed by saturday authorities and israel in september through what there was a mutual defense treaty with the united states as part of normalization with his ro is that all bitten the dusk. now it's over,

i would say i would say which i never, ever even talk about the possibility of normalization of the current time. if the israelis wanted to commit to more or less occurs and go, so that's my personal opinion. i mean, types of to my own opinion, look option i'm known for being pro american or should i wait for? so i'm, i've been an advocate for savvy is really a normalization for so long. and i still believe that it's the way it should be because of the end of the day we need to all or exist with each other. and i've also written an article in 2016 of the have that talks about the possibility of a 0 to be part of the big vision 2030 plan of february, the by having exchange by having economic and commerce, etc. but once we are seeing and witnessing right now is unfortunately,

is making things not almost hard, but almost impossible. so, so, so there must be some ways in which this escalation a stops. otherwise, it's going to be wishful thinking to have the idea of having surgery be because that's how it is. have repeatedly said that the palestinians need to have a decent life. the palestinians rides the 2 state solution to our peace initiative . we've been talking about this for so long and, and i said earlier, i would say it's a game we believed incomplete in the complete integration of as ro in the middle east. but that cannot happen while you are depriving the rights of the palestinians of having so determination to have basically the 2 state solution. what is the solution which i know is supported by russia, china only do emerging superpowers of this century. have you some might say that

the way that the palestine is being cut to ribbons in recent is makes that just a talking point. they need to have one statement is random palestinians. all living together in a country called palestine. israel has, i'm think you must have heard that argument before. the 2 state solution is actually a job. and as regards your piece in the hill, what makes now so different to what happened to the palestinian women and children and civilians in 20 or 620 o. 82010201120142018. 20192021. in gauze, we saw the slaughter, there was a different. yeah. and i would like to say that, don't look for my answers. don't look for the answers of postings or are ups loops from look for the answers from mother with is really is one know for a fact that israel security will never ever be achieved without giving the palestinians their internationally recognized rights. and couple of them is self determination and ending the occupation. this is 101 in political and security

studies. another important things to mention is that since the talk has always been about how most, in a way that's with somehow side line, the idea of the west bank and side line, the grievances of palestinians inside line the, the 160 children. that's how are in prison is right now below 12 years old. let's not forget the time us has always been secretly cheered by the is really secure with the upper office. why? because they were happy to see posts, daniels divide, that they play the role in that device. according to the former us senate for one poll, that is really is play a short side of the game by supporting this device. thinking differently that this public opinion divides call is more benefits for them and that that will make the 2 state solution to evaporate and they didn't know that it was backfire at them at this scale. so if there is one thing i would like to say, or like an advice to the israelis, there's one advice i always give to is, right?

is it would be, don't you ever use your parent outrage on anger? and the temporary global popular supports or the western popular supports to lose your minds and wreak havoc and commits more massacres. this will result in more strategic losses. for israel, it's time to reflect an act responsibly and to weigh your options logically, not emotionally. the lives of both innocent people should be saved, disregarding their if that's the case and religions. and the idea of a scorched earth policy was backfire as you briefly. and as we know, 4 out of pipe as really is thinking within the whole was the issue according to a poll conducted by an israeli university. and lastly, the training of peace. since you asked earlier about normalization. i think the train of peace in the middle east has a temporary stop all the. okay, i'm trying to be optimistic here. how does the temper is tough? only leave a need some kind of maintenance, but i would say to those really is don't blow up to the train altogether. the train

of fees needs to go forward. so as road can be integrated in the middle east, in the right way, you can not deprive the posting is a right p, o. like or the, the, the legitimate government of, of, of palestine has been extending the olive branch. and for it, for the last 30 years since they committed themselves to men, pilots is really is picked. that's that, that's really is pickets. so absolutely, that's how much weight your was to it. that's why that's why i say, yeah, but that's why i say, how much on the far right government proposal, right? i would say it's are 2 sides of the same coin. how much wants to eliminate as or as a government altogether is right. it wants to eliminate the spinning state altogether. so where is the difference? that's the, that's we're with your cost. these ran the government, say they're not blowing up any trains. they're just uh, doing exactly what they should be doing. that's what israel keeps saying. and as for many people that we can see behind the tear gas in ramallah,

they would say the about a city authority has done the job of dividing bellas indians as the popularity of resistance groups has boomed in recent decades of the failure of the as you call it legitimate, i should say, on elected government in ramallah. okay. if lots of people in saudi arabia thinking like you are, and people in the government, saudi arabia, maybe. what do you expect from the united states in terms of opposition to the saudi position? at already we're starting to see the weaponized ation of human rights, which i'm sure you're very familiar with in nato nation propaganda media. but they also have warships in gaza. they're, they're deploying all these troops just and they've fairly said it's not against the guys or government. they're doing this for a inside the ravia prepared to be threatened as the united states, some people say declining and acting like a dying animal is its empire. declines. is saudi arabia prepared for what the us

has in store for saudi arabia. if it continues to disobey orders, here's the thing. i can't speak of the saudi government. sure. what i can say is the following. that's, are we upset of the way that us handled the whole thing? absolutely, yes. are we upset of the genocides? been murderous by the s. right? yeah, absolutely. yes. are we trying our best to get the wall to get back to with sensors? yes, we have trying to do so how things will develop. i don't know, but based on the reports with regards to the u. s. deployment, i think the us with lots of gets into the, the messy situation and right now, but they are there just to deter hezbollah and then you're on in general. so it's just mostly like a symbolic kind of a get away with it or the wait a minute. so in recent years,

what we seen in saudi arabia refusing the abraham accords as a signed, they do a deal through china with iran. they do a deal with syria, they refused to increase oil production as big as they were told by joe biden. i mean, how many things do you think savvy rabid can do against what the us sees? it's interest presumably that in the, obviously he's against israel's interest without some kind of action from nato nations, against saudi arabia savvy rate, be clearly def, did not simple the united states v drawing of the ceasefire. un security council resolution this way. yeah, i think we should not go to have this kind of hyperbolic kind of expectations that things will go completely to make just on our tv screens are more than i before the exam would say no, no i'm, i'm speaking about. so do us relations. i'm not speaking about the situation and goes in politics, you need to work with your partners. let's not forget the united states is and will

always remain our strongest security partner. we should not just sideline that. does that mean we are incomplete, incomplete agreement with the way they conduct their policies? absolutely not. but what i'm hoping to see, and i think it would happen that the us will somehow rectify its trajectory and get back to it sensors and to deal with the situation without having this kind of biased position. that's actually the humanize the palestinians because at the end of the day, but as the, the us doesn't want to be in confront, patient with the whole month to month. it's nothing that's the best interest. it's not in the best interest of the policy makers of the united states, because at the end of the day, you don't want to repeat the same mistakes that you have done through invading iraq and afghanistan. and the us as pill a thinking and contemplating about all the consequences. consequences that happened at through that time. so i think the united states is trying,

it's best right now to show to the israelis that we are on your side. but at the same time, i almost, i would say, believe that the us will take this time and push the israelis to find a ways to which they can initiate or to reactivate that piece a talk with regards to it. well, just finding a briefly, you expect saudi arabia to continue forging good relationships with moscow and badging as a valid enemies of the united states government and security services according to what we hear from washington. so the rainbow will continue to be good friends of china and russia. absolutely, sorry. there is a friend with any nation super powers or like medium sized countries or whatever. so right be a has the absolute sovereignty to multiply its relations with everyone. and the russian government has been active through the security council to drop the

resolutions to basically ask for the escalation and opening access to the military and support. so unfortunately that's was rejected by the us, but you can for us, this will, as i said, we'll, we'll, we'll have us pain on the 3 countries. i'm more of history. but does that mean we're going to be on one sides against the other? i don't think so because that's not the the way started. maybe i conducted to business that already the is there to be a stabilizer to be in the middle and to not take sides when it comes to this kind of superpower kind of a struggle. at the end of the day, the russians, we are continuing our relations with them. the same goal is with the chinese. we have big a project. that's our hands of us. so definitely i think the saudis, we should not think for a 2nd that the saudis will be in a position to take a sites in this kind of multi polar uh, word that is actually on the right. so on right now,

more than any time after seeing the us position with regards to does that right now, more than a time, we can see the benefits of multi polarity. rather than that, you any priority. that is, that has been lived by the united states. so i'm an island, sorry, thank you. thank. lots of, of the show will be back on monday, which will i'm inside the petroleum minister, senior advisor, doctor mom and else of on who claims the latest nature of nation war crimes from gaza to ukraine. signal the end of a washington dominated world until then keep in touch, why will i social media or if it's not the sense that in your country and had to watch, i don't going underground tv on rumble, dot com, touching you handled episodes of going undergrad. see you monday,

the the a need for a monday. i'm not getting back to the stuff. i'm either going to use the fixture or take your say about that 100. no, that's enough to 100. i lied to you on this, this guy suddenly. ok, now i need the news, we need to get you started with us. us produce side sick and one on the left. she's on the more you and you now i'm out of this go, you know, send, i'm not going to buy. so you for tool. what do you guys to do it?