as the questions. so you know, these are people who are very dangerous for the resumes in washington and london burden in paris. all right, let's look at the news for now. do stay with us going on. the ground is up next by the i'm action or time seeing welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world, from the united that remember it's well before tuesdays christian hospital atrocity and gaza, the shop the well that was the russia. you a china mozambique gamble, and back to you and resolution calling for cx. 5. it was rejected by the usa. u. k

. front nato countries. arming is rails, aerial bombardment of 2300000 people, off of whom our children are. bleed is refused to even meet with you as president biden, when he flew in to support nothing. yahoo saudi arabia condemned in the strongest terms when they called the heinous crime committed by israeli occupation forces in the shelling of the hospital. joining me in the side of capitalism and l on, sorry, according to our muse was the most influential political pundits in the middle east in 2021. thank you so much, solomon for coming on of this. so obviously very sad the time. any update on the saudi response to what's happening in a week when which fight and then the british prime minister flew off to tel aviv to support net and yahoo off to their voting against a cease fire view and security council. yeah, thank you so much option. it's great to be back with you. it's actually, it's, i tried to do what we are witnessing right now,

and there are no words that can explain the human suffering in front of everyone's eyes with regards to saudi arabia. definitely this how it is, and during this year alone, and before this goes, conflict initiated $21.00 strong statements against the practices of the far right government of israel. they condemned accelerated illegal. indexation is going to extend the west bank that the idea of taking out some families from their homes, the pro vocations against the holy stomach sides and the killing of more than $200.00 students. and that was back so, so, and i was just before it goes on just this year and they explicitly the government, i'm sorry for the explicitly said that these practices will explode the situation and endanger the peace process, which we are unfortunately witnessing right now. and, and as for the current, uh, saudi position decided official position right now. uh, with regards to that because the situation is primarily focusing

a lot on the importance of the escalation of having a humanitarian assistance access and condemning and condemning the killing of civilians from all sides. and the complete projection of the force displayed the displacement uh plan of civilians and also definitely condemning the occupation and the 2 states and tend to mentioned that the 2 state solution is the only way for peace. why does it, why does this is a lift aids? 2 guys are given obviously the impossibility of the raffle crossing. yeah. here's the thing, the saudis, under directions under doing thing as have all voiced the concern about the idea of not having access to the humanitarian and the saudis have made it very clear along with the defense. and the good thing is that they would be bringing 8th to, to, to, to, to, to got so, but how can you bring a to does a since you are bombarding even even the, the, the place where you actually want to, to,

to how back with right now we have seen how the saudis have pushed americans, specifically when secretary blinking came 3 all they made it very clear that you have to, it's actually pretty. that's we are trying our best to convince the americans to have access to humanitarian 8. it's really a pity and it's going to be as pain on the u. s. a part definitely we've seen recently that they have lowered their, their status right now. they, the americans are actually more open with the idea of, of giving the 8th to, to, to the listing. and so that's a good development. but it's unfortunate that the came after a strong push from rewards and kyra, i mean you worked at at washington, you know how the americans think? i know that one state department official has already resigned from blinking state department george pool director of the political military affairs at the state department resigned with his bite and guides and strategy. why do you think they

voted against a cease fire during an ongoing conflict where a 1000000 children are at risk of dying, of being killed? what's your understanding of, i mean, did as lots of people been killed yet? yeah, i suppose that no one can deny the fact that the con to us foreign policy is literally a disaster. it's most on impulses not on strategies. it's, is react to, and that's proactive. and, and as i said earlier, who have been mentioned to us to be reluctant to allowing access, i'm pretty minutes are in a to be saved and boom, by the posting and children and what, all right, sorry you, you have monitored the saudi us relations for years maybe decades, have you ever seen anything like this kind of behavior from washington in public? it is actually very interesting and surprising for the fact that the american democrats, they were the ones who claim to be champ, tuning the students. and they were the ones who were trying to solve the issue with

the 2 state solution. but when they came to test, we saw how they were completely biased. and this is very, very unfortunate. and history will not forget these actions because we're not speaking off of war as we are speaking of civilians we are speaking of women and children. we have one that 4000 people got killed by this brutal bombardment of the i d f. it's very, very, very sad with we are witnessing right now, but let's keep the whole pipe. the americans are right now trying to rectify their trajectory by looking at things and naming things by their names. because that's going to be a big staying on the u. s. foreign policy forever, if they have really allowed this apartment to continue without having real access to humanitarian aid, you see some watching this program across the arab world in the islamic world may be wondering why you have any hopes left about this uh, the japanese own financial times uh this, quoting and um, named

a g 7 diplomat thing. we have definitely lost the battle in the global south of to be a support for residents. can ukraine the proxy war in russia, and now the absolute military support for nothing. yahoo tequila, at least palestinian civilians. why do you have these hopes still? i'm having hope because i believe in humanity at the end of the day. definitely, as i said earlier, the us foreign policy is a disaster. but that doesn't mean that these people who hold these policies are humans. they are humans and they need to come back to their mind and to see things and to call things by their names. and it's an absolute reductionism. if we only look at the 7th of october, what i'm talking about is without talking about the root cause of the 7 to k, it's long conflict, and it will put it this way. the 7th of october plus 70 years occupation. and in other words,

the rise of from us is in is right in the responsibility. it's an option. let me tell you of it here on the bar rock in the form of lift that was really prime minister, even brock. he was, he, he was once asked a what we'd do if he was a policy and in doing anything, you always tear. do you know what he exactly said? well, peter, he said he was a public opinion citizen under it's in the house term. he would go and join that service group to fight back and i'm not making things up so people can watch my interview with they would brag. and he walked out in my interview and i explained to him that he a well they with the midwives all from us after all as, as we remember. but rather than your hopes of any kind of sense coming out of washington. do you don't think that the conference in b s and others have different hopes that there is a new world now emerging, devoid of the declining power of the united states, learn western europe's and presumably that was discussed when urgent sleep happens

in the middle of the night the runs foreign minister and say, now mere july end flew to a jet or i think of just off of the hospital atrocity. i've never seen anything like it myself since covering this from the middle east during the 2nd intifada. isn't i mean, what did you make of the fact that runs foreign minister flew in for this extraordinary meeting this week of the is always different. yeah. with regards to iran, as you know, that we have had this kind of normalization doesn't mean that we have result of the issues we have with them. definitely, there are a lot of issues at stake and the, you know, one washington thought drove when they saw this happening. you know, one, yeah, i haven't been blinking, said it'd be mostly, most of the problematic angle of that was because of the bulk or the broker was china and for the americans, they are super sensitive with regards to anything related to china. having diplomatic, strong relations tend to be a broker in both piece and,

and to be seen as a pace maker in the middle east or anywhere else. so we understand that. but at the end of the day, we are going to take our decisions by ourselves to find a way through which we can actually transport them. is at least into atlanta for opportunity rather than blood shit. and that does that mean we are, saudis will be incompletes agreement for the iranians. i don't think so. i don't think that's gonna even happen at any time soon. but we are trying to figure out a way through which we can actually called wrist and to reduce the attention as much as yeah, i wasn't even talking about the sensitivities of a bricks in china. how old are you around really? because is it true? i got a, do you understand that it was true that the crown prince, mom had been someone just kept blinking waiting when he was flying everywhere trying to presumably make terribly to support the ledge of genocide in gaza. did he keeping wasted so much?

thank you for so thank you so much for mentioning the word genocide because that's the way it should be described. and the fact that the, the saudis have been very vocal and it's very easy to tell that they are very disturbed with the way that us hand of the whole thing actually remember and is really historian and a holocaust score. the ross. so you go, he said a couple of days ago, a couple of days ago, he said that what's going on right now in goza is a textbook, a case of genocide, a textbook case of the sites, then some is really is labeled him as so facing joe and if that's the case, then what about the remarks of the defense minister as wrote when he called god zones as human animals. after saying that, they definitely decided to consider the trust that the water food fuel from does that, which has over 2000000 people, half of them are children. so some may argue that the only men come us, which is not through human, everyone. but let's, for the sake of argument,

give them the benefit of the doubt and consider what they've said to be qual, leak, talking about has been, what about the president of israel's remarks when he said that? because then as citizens are also responsible because they didn't take how much out in directly he is indicating that all civilians are legitimate targets. some may also argue, i'll go think the method and without that he said it's out of anger and he didn't mean and then that's also give them the benefit of the doubt. and what about the specimen of the i b f. when he said, we focus on destruction and not the accuracy for the sake of argument. let's also give them the benefit of the doubts because they are angry right now. so what about the free king? i b s actions for god sake. over the top, over $4000.00, the civilians got killed. half of them are children. like, what can we make about that? what can we, what can we say about that? 100 children gets killed every day. there is nothing more despicable. do you think

that was what was behind the crime? pretty nice. a couple more subject. obviously this couldn't have happened, but this couldn't have happened without us military fund. nothing there is really government relies on the us. so is that why the crown prince? mom had been selling, it kept blinking, waiting and well, i mean, over recent months later, the look, i don't have a problem with the idea of then americans funding the is regulated with, with knowing that that is where it is when and have actually existed without the american supports even during the past course, but at the end of the day we want rio peace between israel and arbel. and you cannot achieve that. it's so wishful thinking to achieve that without draining the swamp of terrorism, which early can happen through the 2 state solution. because the only way to defuse and to remove militant group is to accept the fact that they are humans, human beings. besides, you will have been there and you have picked them from their houses on

a different they're absolutely the right and we are not speaking of uh, what the palestinians pink or what are the things or what questions think i'm speaking of the security council of the united nation, i'm speaking of the international community. they have a free one to say is that is right as an occupier. so where are the international laws? so my problem with the united states right now is that how come you are the one who owns always talk about of the international laws on how to abide by the rules. and when it comes to this specific issue, you only say, oh, it's complicated locust, some would say on many issues though. so i'm on that line. sorry, i'll, i'll stop you there. more from the middle east, the most influential political pundits in 2021 according to our muse. after this break, the, the

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i'm still here with someone else. i'm sorry. the middle east, most influential, political pundits in 2021 and going to arab news. some on just before we went to the break, you were talking about the 2 states. i'll get on to that, maybe in a 2nd. but you know, in nature and asian propaganda media, they were talking about normalization between your kingdom of saudi arabia and israel, seen by the international community is committing will crimes at the moment. i mean, how can there even be any mutual defense treaty as was being discussed by saturday authorities and israel in september, we will what there was a mutual defense treaty with the united states as part of normalization with israel . is that all bidding the dust now? it's over, i would say, i would say which have never ever even talk about the possibility of normalization of the current time. if the israelis wanted to commit to more or less

occurs in gaza. that's my personal opinion. i mean, types of to my own opening look option. i am known for being pro american or society for so i'm, i've been an advocate for saudi is really a normalization for so long. and i still believe that it's the way it should be, because at the end of the day, we need to all or exist with each other. and i've also written an article in 2016 of the how that talks about the possibility of a 0 to be part of the big vision 2030 plan of february be by having exchange by having economic and commerce, etc. but once we are seeing and witnessing right now is unfortunately, is making things not almost hard, but almost impossible. so, so, so there must be some ways through which this escalation a stops. otherwise,

it's going to be wishful thinking to have the idea of having surgery be because that's how it has have repeatedly said that the palestinians need to have a decent life. the palestinians writes the 2 state solution to our peace initiative . we've been talking about this for so long. and i said earlier, i would say it's a game we believe incomplete in the complete integration of as right in the middle east. that cannot happen while you are depriving the rights of the palestinians of having so determination. and to have basically the twisted solution, what is the solution which i know is supported by russia, china only do emerging superpowers of this century. have you saw might say that the way that the palestine is being cut to ribbons in recent years makes that just the talking points. they need to have one statement is relevant, palestinians all living together in a country called palestine is realism. thank you. must've heard that argument

before the 2 state solution is actually a chat. and as regards your piece in the hill, what makes now so different to what happened to the palestinian women and children and civilians in 20 or 620 o. 820102011. 20142018. 20192021. in gauze we saw the source of there was a different. yeah. and i was likes to say that don't look for my answers. don't look for the answers of palestinians or our ups looks from look for the answers from whether it is really is or no for a fact that israel security will never ever be achieved without giving the palestinians their internationally recognized rights. a couple of them is self determination and ending the occupation. this is 101 in political and security studies. another important things to mention is that since the talk has always been about having us in a way that would somehow side line,

the idea of the west bank and side line the grievances of posting is inside line the, the 160 children that are in prison is right now below 12 years old. let's not forget the time us has always been secretly chaired by the is there any security oper office? why? because they were happy to see. but what's the annual divide that they play? the role in that device, according to the former us senator, one pole that is really is play a short side of game by supporting this device. thinking differently that this public opinion divides call is more benefits for them. and that's it. will that make the 2 state solution to evaporates and they didn't know that it was back fire at them on this scale. so if there is one thing i would like to say, or like an advice to the israelis, there's one advice always give to is or is it would be, don't you ever use your parent outrage on anger? and the temporary global popular supports or the western popular supports to lose

your minds and wreak havoc and commits more massacres. this will result in more strategic losses. for israel, it's time to reflect an actress possibly and to weigh your options. logically, not emotionally. the lives of fault, innocent people should be saved, disregarding their if that's the case and religions and the idea of a scorched earth policy with back fire i to greatly. and as we know, 4 out of 5 is really is thinking it's in the whole was the issue according to appall conducted by an israeli university. and lastly, the train of peace. since you asked earlier about normalization. i think the train of peace in the middle east has a temporary stop all the. okay, i'm trying to be optimistic here. how does the temper stop on leave? i need some kind of maintenance, but i would say to the israeli is don't blow up the train altogether. the train of faith needs to go forward. so as road can be integrated in the middle east, in the right way, you can not deprive the posting is a right p, o. like or the,

the, the legitimate government of, of, of palestine has been extending the olive branch and a fort for the last 30 years since they committed themselves to men. pilots is really is picked. that's the best really is pickets. oh, absolutely. that's how much i wish it was to it. that's why that's why i say, yeah, but that's why i say, how much on the far right government to visit, right. i would say it's are 2 sides of the same coin. how much wants to eliminate as or as a government altogether is right. it wants to eliminate the spinning state altogether . so where is the difference? that's that's yeah, that's we're which of course the israeli government say that not blowing up any trains they just, uh, doing exactly what they should be doing. that's what is real keeps saying. and as for many people that we can see behind the t a guys in ramallah, they would say the about a city authority has done the job of dividing bellas indians as the popularity of resistance groups has boomed in recent decades at the failure of the as you call it

legitimate to, i should say, on elected government in ramallah. okay. if lots of people in saudi arabia thinking like you are, and people in the government, saudi arabia, maybe. what do you expect from the united states in terms of opposition to the saudi position? and already with starting to see the weaponized ation of human rights, which i'm sure you're very familiar with in nato nation propaganda media. but they also have warships in gaza that they're deploying all these troops just and they've fairly said it's not against the guys or government. they're doing this for a inside the ravia prepared to be threatened as the united states, some people say declining and acting like a dying animal is its empire. declines. is saudi arabia prepared for what we us has in store for saudi arabia, if it continues to disobey orders. here's the thing. i can't speak of the saudi

government. sure. what i can say is the following, that are we upsets of the way that us handled the whole thing? absolutely, yes. are we upset about that of genocide and murderous by the s. right? yeah, absolutely. yes. are we trying our best to get the wall to get back to with sensors? yes, we have trying to do so how things will develop, i don't know, but based on the reports with regards to the u. s. deployment, i think the us with lots of gets into the, the messy situation and right now, but they are there just to deter hezbollah and then you're on in general. so it's just mostly like a symbolic kind of a get away with it or the wait a minute. so in recent years, what we seen in saudi arabia refusing the abraham records as the way he signed, they do a deal through china with iran. they do a deal with syria,

they refused to increase oil production as big as they were told by joe biden. i mean, how many things do you think savvy rabid can do against what the us sees? it's interest presumably that in the, obviously he's against israel's interest without some kind of action from nato nations, against saudi arabia, saudi arabia, clearly this did not simple the united states, v drawing of the seas for un security council resolution this way. yeah, i think we should not go to have this kind of hyperbolic kind of expectations that things will go completely to the pictures on tv screens are more than i feel like someone say, no, no i'm, i'm speaking about saudi us relations. i'm not speaking about the situation and goes in politics, you need to work with your partners. let's not forget the united states is i will always remain our strongest security partner, which is not just sideline that does that mean we are incomplete, incomplete agreement with the way they conduct their policies?

absolutely a lot. but what i'm hoping to see, and i think that would happen, that the us will somehow rectify its trajectory and get back to its sensors and to deal with the situation without having this kind of biased position. that's actually the human noise, the palestinians, because at the end of the day, but as the, the us doesn't want to be in confrontation with the whole month to month. it's nothing that's the best interest. it's not in the best interest of the policy makers of the united states because of the end of the day. you don't want to repeat the same mistakes that you have done through invading iraq and afghanistan. and the us as to a thinking and contemplating about all the consequences, consequences that happened at through that time. so i think the united states is trying its best right now to show to the israelis that we are on your side. but at the same time, i almost, i would say,

believe that the us will take this time and push the israelis to find a ways to which they can initiate or to reactivate the piece a talk with regards to it. well, just finally briefly, you expect saudi arabia to continue forging good relationships with moscow and badging as a valid enemies of the united states government and security services, according to what we have from washington. sadie, and we'll continue to be good friends of china and russia. absolutely, sorry, there is a friend with any nation super powers or like medium sized countries or whatever. so right. be a has the absolute sovereignty to multiply its relations with everyone. and the russian government has been active through the security council to draft resolutions to basically ask for the escalation and opening access to the military and support. so unfortunately, that's was rejected by the us, but you can for us. this will, as i said, we'll, we'll,

we'll have us paying on the 3 countries. i'm more of history. but does that mean we're going to be on one sides against the other? i don't think so, because that's not the, the way started. maybe i conducted to business that every day is there to be a stabilizer to be in the middle and to not take sides when it comes to this kind of super power kind of a struggle. at the end of the day, the russians, we are continuing our relations with them. the same goal is with the chinese. we have big a projects. that's our hands of us. so definitely i think the salad we should look think for a 2nd. the facilities will be in a position to take a sides in this kind of multi polar war that is actually on the rise. so and right now, more than any time after seeing the u. s. position with regards to does that right now more than a time, we can see the benefits of multi polarity rather than the unity priority that has,

that has been led by the united states. so i'm an island, sorry, thank you. thank. lots of of the show will be back on monday, which form is id, petroleum administer, senior advisor, doctor, mom, and else of on who claims the latest nature nation war crimes from gaza to ukraine . signal the end of a washington dominated world until then. keep in touch, why will i social media or if it's not the sense that in your country and had to channel going underground tv and rumbled up, come, don't you and old episodes of going undergrad. so you monday, the the, [000:00:00;00]

the, [000:00:00;00] the at least 18 people are killed and dozens more injured in an air strike on the oldest orthodox church in gaza. where this place and civilians were sheltering from intensive is riley shelling to american hostages are released by han last as around. 200 people still remain in captivity after the latest violence broke out 2 weeks ago. we hear from the relatives of those who are yet to be freed