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a new one thought it was 12, because every unit president just has to have a war. he didn't leave to see the current conflict in ukraine, but isn't a new world order finally shaping out due to the use of force by russia. well, to discuss that, i'm now joined by rain miller, some professor emeritus told him university. i'm a former advisor to me, code guard by charles on issues of international law, professor miller's and then it's great to talk to thank you very much for being available. happy to be with you. thank you. now you've written before the professionally base. you have had 3 different lives being born and raised in soviet era. estonia then moving to moscow to get to your doctorate in law, and then moving all the way to kings college london and teaching there for quite some time. and that gives you a very inverse of tile. exposure to very is systems through various ideologies. and

what i find very interesting is that unlike many other public intellectuals of your generation, you are open about uh oh, i'm accepting about a parts of your professional life, isn't it? i'm safe, at least in the west to be you know, so open about your connections, historical connections with russia. i have benefited from it professionally sure which they have. because how you have at least 3 different viewpoints from which to outside of the world as towing in a small country, one well was brought up and then a rough draft. when i went to rush, i was taken to the army, i didn't, the was the soviet union, the soviet union in moscow, i was on the actually a very good one if i jump up even. and so i stayed in boston code to jump there. and when i finished my gallery, i went to moscow university. i graduated from the law department on z wasted

aspen in rich thanks. as or as well, you went all the way to as one point serve as a, as an advisor to the president of the you, i'm sorry. yes it was at the end of them i do need to to replicate the beginning of the 1996. exactly. and then uh, well i went back to is tonja being the 1st deputy, 40 minutes down for a while for 40 minutes to even. and on the, when the, i watching what i did to london school of economics as a centennial profess. so let's see. i went to london and states that have have for my wallet was spring to yes, i taught now that's a period of a very cosmopolitan life, which many of us experienced has ended a couple of years ago. but i know that in 2019 before it actually ended, you receive the order of,

of friendship from the hands of none other than vladimir put it in. i'm sure uh that kind of association may have cost to some personal or professional relationship. and certainly even if it must have become a liability after yes, i said 2020 to the of the such a life to in the, to ask you in me a lot professional my, me to see the world from different and go us. but yes, i have lost friends uh on this way and it is not easy even in their family with my son, sometimes we have cool. it brought up in the video cage. okay. do they ok. we have different have you? we have friendly of course, but i have lost that because of this. i have my now all tail of friendship, for example. i always specially because of that. oh yeah, i'm not condemning. ah, once heidi at lee, a bad auction, the innovation over the, you're not the embracing, if you are,

because now you've been pretty critical of some rushes actions, which i hope we can talk about. but before that, i know that when you received the order, you said that international law, which is your main professional subject international law, as we know it could not exist without the russian. ironically, 4 years later, its validity is, enforceability is indeed being called into question. do you think international, more as a universally accepted and upheld set of norms? does it still work? it does it even though i do leave? international lawyers know booley crises varies with crises, the every domain of international relations and domestic affairs as well. but international law has a whole lot of, i hopefully for a while, but the task because international law and a jordan this for the presentation. when i was a giving this,

i want to also that why after, because international law has been based on the balance of power by chance of interest, but also poway especially but this balance of power to be out in the world into 19 nineties. so there was no one to balance to the american power. there was within suits of the engine. so thank you. by chance of for a kind of the world to removed from the warm center. it is now called the aerospace international court interest. yeah, yeah. so essentially this phrase conceptualized what was in the works for some time, even before that because i think it's mostly the by the administrator and that is using it very actively. they never ever use international law anymore. no, no. oh, you know, it's pushing into 1990 is when the these dimensions of move to western countries

in africa in latin america. sometimes they by little full sometimes they were a little full for i. so it was in 1999 when a nate to embody the so it'd be over the cost of, of then, uh, off to the face, this instinct of it off to a they to, i will. then there was a international commission on to the chief stuff that you know, of the united nation created and a phone date. so you interesting a that the war was you, lee coke, but really cheap to me. so this was such a clear, a reference that to something he's prohibited by international law throughout higher videos like panels, brand news, which can be protected even against international law. international law both set

aside a many uh, also uh, instances like the creation of international with premium, the have quotes and which or if they were effective and impartial, this would have been if there were also a i will come on. but i missed a reference number, there's a impartiality presupposes equality, i mean, and if for suppose that the law, i mean, i think that's the basis of the very core deficient of the old, is that what makes it hello is that it gets applied to everybody. when it's applied selectively, can you claim that it's still law? it disappeared all most. but during the, these 19 ninety's and then figured off a war and of 2003, which brought to all sold lee code and a, by the way it is interesting guy. i'm leaving him that you ok,

and the legal profession has below all the ways very uh, just pick the, the lead partial and the international lawyers into, for you in the office. i gave them the assessment of, uh, these uh, innovation of your rock into effect and treat. i'm, they all declare that it was a leak. but now things have become different even in the country where the flow was fairly ad respected was whether the whole point of difference very often teams respect international you mention as many wars that the west initiated of slots. so theoretically speaking, uh, people in the west, no, that were exist. why do you think there's so much unnerved by this conflict with the russian because they have been exposed towards before to conflicts before? yes you this maybe not really

a very good question to introduce the most important question. why it such a different reaction? for example, what the, the, the iraq invasion of telephone, the 3 of us called a shop count or a better each and a. so there was no shopkins or in europe, there was a disrupt and or in the yes, i have to put compartment and so on, all of a i've mentioned already there will now i guess to be out. so high up from bachman had no food from the crone, though in the rock which was a bit different, but all started with high altitude of boardman. i don't think that it is only because it is in your and say, a full of all costs as low. so it is also that somebody has said,

charlie's the power of the united states and collect the file west and they have full ease on that except about so i don't know the author attending, choose where mind the ones that now we do. so as i see already is a challenge, and i believe they are for the very end up proper. com diabetes. or of course the effect the you know, another similarity with the soviet union perhaps. now, professor millers and we have no proof again that, but we have to take a very short break right now. we will be back in just a few moments state you and the high in excessive and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do. do not watch my

new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome it, please do the have the state department, the c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do, don't marshall state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time. but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way. instead there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to be living on mac. we have

very close propaganda. you know a price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the inspection was a part of this rain miller. some of the tests are meritus as a tell him university. professor miller, some and when you were receive it and receiving that border of friendship from the house of july to me. unfortunately, you also said that that period is in history of the unit polarity, of the united states, a pointing itself as the indispensable nation was a fairly anomalous and temporary phenomenon in the history of international relations. but the americans, i clearly know giving it up without

a fight. and i want to ask you how far do you think the current confrontation between the west on the one hand and russia possibly china, possibly some other uh, disagreeing countries. how far do you think it may go? i believe it will code a white default and a it is a tendency which will continue for decades, at least, maybe even a long but, but i, who and even of this is, i hope i hope so. that does the x do you have face, so confirm based on these best relating ukraine will. uh and then you are at georgia with kind of ceasefire and may compromises. but, but uh, i the new world order if it emerges some kind of force or humanities of course, but i don't think that it will be, uh, the, this, uh, uh, well, the web that there will be a piece between all the countries. uh,

there was no there, there. will it be? uh uh, in my opinion, uh, they collect the west the about the list and then the rest to, uh, like out i tried charging uh, either on eating the african countries who uh, not uh, following this uh, collective uh what, so i said, i don't want to spend the full boss, i already think distinguish a big dish, a diplomat, and i couldn't make funeral that no power who has had an opportunity to tell me and they us failed to don't mean neighbors. you may be one of the, i am the boss of international relations of joe, for the, for up it is, you have been natural probably of that to the right of states wants to continue to

tell me they thought. and there was, this would be somebody who brings to census, uh they said, i should put up because what's at you setting up a ration i believe and the increased beach i you also mentioned is that when the pizza go mean a theater, who was it was not the who will, but what, what the he said now if there is only one impact of a problem after you have one center which wants to terminate. this isn't that very so the best never being uh so with that some, but do you have a quote have to me that it used to who was still was these real and them are you guys don't, i'm not even happy to do them in a but also they want everybody to be a, become like emory comes to having the same value of 17 both not only the interest but the value is for the professional movers. and for that to happen, you know, a nation has to have enough resources because domination is not just brings you not

only advantages, that's a huge liability. and one of the reasons why the, here's the sorry, didn't leave so long as it's wanted. it was because it's simply couldn't deal with all the mounting domestic and external pressures. oh, do you think that is this thing that this is something that the west takes into account that it simply doesn't have the capacity neither mental nor financial capacity to impose its will either through military or force or through soft power on the rest of the world because it can you imagine somebody uh, even if you uh, in america and washington talking like, you know, oh what, what did you say for the analysis? i mean like you for you just counting on what you like the, the, then the to be elected. you have to maybe in america? yes, they will. they may come to census because of they have overstretched. the but

now i at the left. okay. just on uh, recently. uh yes, having went up 20 as a lower the government is about to shut down because they don't. yeah, they cannot pass the back up but yes, but they can still the because of having got all last what he's of color and survey is guns to uh, exploit to other countries. uh uh, both sanctions, i guys, they, they own allies in europe even so they come to somebody probably, but for how long could i convey? so i don't know, maybe they also of probably it's a soviet union call up because of different. i know that when that these overstretch and have dentist on and so on, but about 5 to they cannot make system was wrong, can new fact to and for. and also there was so many different be a nation. so i have a warranty to have the independence of. so we'll say,

and by the way, we have the same phenomena among the american norman, the american olives. because you have saudi arabia, you have turkey, or have a number of other countries who are not, uh, striking out directly to go to the united states, but quite often go against the american. the wishes, especially, let's say the saudis will have the resources that we can allow our pretty, you know, i'm the, oh is there are, do look therefore know where you are a specially in africa, uh, in uh, from separate guys uh, to french, uh, alcohol. only that they uh use this opportunity that the restaurant is fighting for it's independent to a place in the world. so they also fall. lloyd, this is probably very dangerous for him to play the fuel if they're not in states and europe in leaders in france like macro on these very much water with the about

that they, i don't see the us call up soon as that. so like, let's just a little bit junior on but, but maybe her in the future. they also a tried to lead me to the patients in the nation of the world. they, i try, you know, to have allies in the same as the said they have. but also, you know, a sounds like a china, this is the most, uh, maybe uh, important concern uh for them. uh you, uh that was go, crane has and deflect if they had been some slight plate from getting a very focus on that for a, for a, for a moment because you need to call a reference military operation in your credit, possible geo political miscalculation. but when it comes to international affairs, i think it puts many countries in the position when they have to choose fairly carefully and you know, way,

the american pressure or pressure on one hand and their own resources that own trade ties that own your political a policies on the other hand than many are choosing looks 1000000 dependent, caused by the past that is far more independent than it was a year and a half ago. wouldn't be fair to say that a cynical is it is because of the loss of life on both sides, that multiple arrow to you is actually being held by the russian operation in ukraine. yeah, the american pressure you, when i say that this may be right with you a political, we split the nation 1st, a full of cause. it does have threats you at the bus and eventually because, you know, i haven't lived in that after i visited you creating the and many times all so i have friends into upgrade and therefore i didn't believe of at the low level, the stock between the ukraine them, why don't you believe?

i mean, look, it's a very interesting question. not, not. i wasn't believed. i'm also i have the last name, but shouldn't we allow for that possibility? you know, for the, you said, you kept the so because in my article, in 2014 ukraine, victim of geopolitics, it was a published in china latrete and is generally the international lloyd and widely, quote, deep uh, now of. so they, uh, it was too warm that uh, like could, they will between uh, as georgia and the restaurant they may be, i will between the ukraine and at our shop. so it was professional approach. and i, i might be a voting the box, the carter and c. i a deal direct that who a he and his last book he brings you as

a producer, he's a, he's a male stuck on police price where he was that acceptance of for ukraine, georgia for mate will may lead to in the, um, conflicts. so g 4 seats, uh at these and i would say at one a higher level as towing implementation a, i don't, i'm not naming case in the head and how the but so we have the conversations recently and he told me that he had told you my due for a tooth on that 49 to look the 19420142 the american on by southern is tonja. that need to membership for your grand would be a ramp line, which means the main se, there's some people use a vis a storage implementations id believe because the 2 mainly we didn't want to we, i,

where engine as i do now, are you professionally t as simple edition, i as an academic and also practitioner of international law, east west for see about that it may be happened as a so and, but it was told that as human beings who we didn't want to accept or yeah, of course, because as you saw that's a huge, huge tragedy now. um, progressive miller's and in my production i reference mikhail gorbachev to whom you sir served as an advisor on international law. at the time when he was, i think, the 1st and only president of the ussr, and he was a strong believer in peace. but he defined it as not unity in similarity, but the unity in diversity in the comparison and conciliation of differences. do you think that kind of piece is still feasible between russia and the west and

a saw? what would it require looked into the future. i don't foresee things that have come to the file and it is not only a julio bluish, but not a company. was touching propaganda as it is now with the monetization of the, in the me as an authorized human being at home. is that what we saw on the product of a 2nd home or by the way? yeah. and that they, they are for, it is very difficult uh to change them right. and then said, okay, yeah, we've been wrong. and oh yeah, oh, we read every ton of destroying bull or do i of that 9 to the just have to go there. i mean, like, it's hard to come back to the original point to business as usual, but do you think it's possible that both russian to west, the real estate will say it's very dangerous where we are, is very dangerous. can we just stop here and not go back,

but stop where we are. the 1st of all, it is necessary to have at least a ceasefire in your credit and to talk to start booking. maybe pulps echo we can go on at certain levels. so i hope that has very some information on that. have of them are to come sounds what options are talking to each other about a bunch of uh, even then if uh this will not and, and have a kind of compromise a is a phone a then of such a peaceful, a world europe from portugal to fly, the west stopped. well i, i don't think that a piece for it. and the actual just kind of ash also has done to the ease of this means. so that the, the, so a come on your up in home,

which of we check all by show for spoke. uh then it is not possible into the our, it's george, i'm not saying well, but maybe in the many to at decade see it would be possible hopefully. but as a my last article, i say that was, has changed a lot since a pull up in the eastern boy and a and more speed to info show and at greece then. but the full, a full curious which to see did is to pull up and eat. and boy and daughter, and i'm the books for recently originally. now they of this conflict, many things the same that acknowledge has changed the oh that, that's true of what people think as athenians, a 4th, who when they impose to the they have and i have you start the, the creek,

city states and so on. things haven't changed, the human nature doesn't change, at least, and they ask, bring that every nation and diversity with being the desires, dignity, and respects from others. and that's, i guess the main precondition for any lasting piece. we have to leave it there, but that's been great talking to thank you very much for that. thank you for the interesting conversation and thank you for watching close to sir. again, it was a part of the

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