fighters re ignited and age is long battle, dividing the world into 2 camps, those supporting israel and those support in palestine. but it is a conflict really that in binary or is the nuance behind it all really. what should be discussed today will break down the humanitarian disaster. that is garza that could only widen as outside intervention steps in and explore aspects that the main stream media won't discuss. all right, let's get into the m o the, depending on the lenses where you will either see a david and goliath story and gaza, or a surprised terrorist attack into it's peaceful neighbour of israel. it seems the world is divided on this much in the same way. busy it was over ukraine. there's debate over intelligence failures outside 3rd party funding or planning. who back

to me in the over simplification of good versus evil. there is even as much a media and messaging war as there is physical violence when discussing the conflict between israel and loss. and one important distinction that must be made immediately. is that how mazda is not a country, rather a political faction along the palestinian population, primarily in the gaza strip. that was a counter wait or opposition party to the westbank spots our ruling party in the palestinian parliamentary system. so when israel says they are fighting him us, it's because they have labeled him off a terror organization. so what effect then, israel declaration of war against him us, is a declaration of war on terror. you may remember the same declaration made by george w bush after 911. in fact, over and over we've heard, as rarely,

officials declared this there 911. borrowing the same bush era, nebulous rhetoric about this. so for more on this, we will turn to san jose ne, an independent journalist who has been covering this topic for many years. you can see more of sam's work by going to who seine dot sub stack dot com. sam, thank you so much for joining me. first, let's address the events that unfolded on october 7th, which sparked this volley of violence thereafter. how did how loss manage this incursion into israel proper, including your parent gliding into this music festival, where many party goers were killed, i mean, isn't as rarely, airspace and, and their territory just about as heavily surveilled and monitored. i mean, comparable to the air space here in washington dc. i mean, was this a massive intelligence failure?

but a couple of questions there. um, 1st off on hang gliding. i haven't heard anybody note. and i've heard stories that the 1st intifada back in 1987 was triggered by a hang glider, an independent person not affiliated with any group of flu into a. um, uh some kind of is rarely military facility or something. um and uh, i don't know exactly what happened there, but there is a deep history in terms of how students using a tank litres. i don't know how many people are aware of that, even potentially the people who organized this operation. it was obviously a very well planned. but it seems to have been a very well planned operation. i mean to compare it to the air space around washington dc is a little bit wrong because i mean,

causes very unique in that it is basically been under a siege by israel a uh, uh for uh, the at least a decade and a half. now, i mean there is no airport in guys wise, there are no airport because they built in the airport in the late ninety's and then israel blew it up in 2001. so for, you know, the way that people talk about guys doesn't, a lot of it doesn't understand the devastation and the strange relation and the deprivation is that people in gaza has, has suffered. but this was obviously well planned operation. it from my point of view is brilliant in terms of what they seem to have done in terms of taking on these really militaries and much walton is really military and incredibly tragic in their parents targeting as well of the civilians.

although i think that a great deal of what was done to civilians has been exact, where you're at least as of what we know now on in terms of the these claims of butchering babies and potentially rapes and so on. there's a long history of finding free texts for war and devastation based on, um, uh, you know, fabrications around the baby incubator for the 1st year rock war and so on. so there's could be a huge disinformation aspect of it. another big question, which i think does mirror investigation, is to what extent this was such a major intelligence color it is, i mean, israel apparently got warnings from the junctions that, that something big was coming in from us. and their statement was paying attention

to the students from us. i put out a thing about their web page being ignored. i was the 1st person to post their statement on twitter, which i've now since then did from for a apparently irrelevant, unrelated reasons. and apparently, just simply as a reporter saying, look, this is what, how about my says their justification is in their statement. they say that it was to that they should warrant as well. that in their statement, they say, despite repeated warnings, these rallies would, you know, he meant so we carried out this operation. and so either use an incredible intelligence failure of by israel. or there was some kind of stand down 16 of what many people claim a f d r did regarding pearl harbor that he effectively lift. pearl harbor happened in

order to draw the us into a world war 2. and it may be the case that netanyahu, who has been dial follicle and the cereal wire in murder. oh, you know, wants to find a pretext to, uh, you know, go to, you know, the state guys potentially even do a mass expulsion of palestinians as he is a advocated in the past and 1989 at yahoo. gov says it is real should take advantage of the nothing yahoo of the, of the admin square a mastercard to, uh, to carry out an expulsion. so, um, you know, that, that, that's my read of the, you know, immediate, immediate situation. a right to your point about f

d r. the same has been sad about george w bush and 911. i mean, the, the warnings, the red flags were there, but seemingly ignored. now let's get into the why, why did how mosque decide to strike and, and why now? and do you think this will lead to be 3rd input fata? um, it's hard to get into people's heads. i mean certainly is real stated goals of, you know, protecting israel isn't protecting jews. i say or false. they're not doing that. if they did want to protect zeros and didn't want to protect you, is that they would have to read to a reasonable pieces ago and wouldn't have fostered him us. there's a big history there of israel building up. come us starting in the 1980s, kind of like the us, built up the major dean in afghanistan, what would become the television. and they did that to split the palestinian ranks

to undermine the secular p l. o at the time. so and even recent statements of nothing else has been saying stuff like we've got to find him us a recent, i mean within the last couple of years. and that's in terms of from us as motives. again, i don't know, it's difficult to get into people's heads, but particularly political actors who might have that capability and motives in mind. i think a lot of people, i hope that this sparks a, not 3 to 5. and it might, you know, how students have repeatedly done these uprisings in order to put forward their quest for justice and independence. and that is certainly laudable at the end of it of itself, of but you know, i'm us,

you know, may well have other motives in terms of their own political dynamics. they seem to have succeeded. if one of the guards has an intelligence failure by his role in making israel think that they were just interested in some, you know, mind, you know, getting whatever bread crumbs of economic development these rallies like to grant them in their great benevolence. and didn't seem to, of, you know, psyched out these really isn't in effect, you know, up totally up the n t in terms of their military struggle. and many people view a mouse as a legitimate resistance group. and i think that there was some credence to that, but i think just on an ethical level, the targeting of civilians and music festival at least the moral level if got a legal level of is you know, incredibly problematic, say the least. um,

so, so it's, it's not clear what, what kind of mazda is motives are, to me and, you know, i, i don't doubt that many people, it from us are genuinely driven by a, it's incredible frustration and anger at the, of what israel is going to them with bombings and siege and deprivation over all these years. and what the us is, the selected and backed and financed from his role and the fact that the a global, you know, the international community has done nothing to stop it. and indeed that israel a has been on a rampage in terms of normalizing with the us is help with these eric

dictatorships. i was a so called abraham court under, under trump, in this process continues under bite. and it's was met some of the same people at the state department under both allegedly of longer head to administrations. they completely agree on this and the work hand in glove in order to strangle the palestinians and to try to normalize relations between israel. so i can imagine that time us a saw that they were coming or isolated and they were even talking about saudi arabia, normalizing relations. and of course are going to a business us client partner as well and their violence against women. so it kind of makes sense. so i'm asked me, well, that made this move in order to sort of grab the initiative so that they won't be completely. israel's mercy once is real. completes this normalization process even

had, are the ones the turkish president need was that you know, who for the 1st time ever recently. so the isolation was increasing. and so i think that that might have a push come us in order to grab the initiative from their point of view coming up next, the internal battles between the palestinian territories, gaza and the west bank from us on one side and the palestinian authority on the other we'll discuss it when we return with sam husein is to type demo will be right back the, the

russian states never as tight as on the phone in the most sense. community best, not getting all sense and up the in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the russia scooting and split the r t. suppose next, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. what question did you say even closer to the

the welcome back to the m o i manila chance prior to the tragic events and early october, saudi arabia was in the process of normalizing relations with israel. that's all off the table now. in san jose, me is back to continue the conversation. sam, thanks for sticking around. so we've seen a lot of western media conflate hamas with palestinian civilians in gaza. perhaps deliberately. how important is that distinction and also the distinction between hamas and the palestinian authority? it's tremendously important to make the distinctions between a mouse and palestinian civilians and the posting is already posting is already effectively presides over a surrender government in the west bank of the area.

the sort of between israel and jordan are parts of is they don't even have the whole thing. and they basically do what israel says that they're, they're just sort of a surrender, a surrender government vc government like a government installed by the nazis in france during world war 2. the mos came to power because they wanted an election in 2006. and i think they won the election for reasons that are not well understood. this was in the aftermath of yasser arafat's desk, possible assassination by the israel ease. and i think that the palestinian people partially elected how much at that point to say we are one people and you're not going to divide us between people in because of the west bank. so

the refugees in southern light been on the of in the greater grow you know, population of house names around the world. and so that's how, how much came to power in people, in the, even irrespective of this attack and so on. i mean, how much had a legitimacy crisis in terms of they, they weren't doing resistance and they were setting up their own structures that work, that were somewhat delivering because they have a network because it's rough, helps them build up a network of health clinics. and so on, in the 1980s, in order to undermine the po. but there's been some frustration among palestinians in terms of, you know, what, what, what, what this from us really deliver. just as there is from, of the p a sitting there. and remo, uh,

which is far better off than the rest of the palestinian territories. there are some palestinian movements which are independent of for example, there's more one. but booty was the palestine national initiative. and i think he's a voice with some legitimacy, but he's not backed by us funding or by religious zealotry. so um and i should say other palestinians who have attempted independent for example, you have a figure like a bark and bark a wide who's a non violent activist to help support the 1st thing to find in the 1980s. you know what is relative to him? expelled him, get the hell out of here. we don't want your non violence. and you know, so when, whenever israel says, you know, we, we have to deal with the some us. yeah, well you expelled all of these people who attempted to, you know,

organize, non violently to end the occupation. and so then you end up with the, you know, with the is groups that are most prone to committing violence who yourself backed. and so your current context is appalling, that the us media is in many others, are minimizing the devastation towards the you know, of the palestinian civilian population. in guys, just as they've been ignoring the repeated is really a tax on the west bank for the last several months. and that they are justifying it effectively by pointing to allege the mess and all that they're, they're going after. i'm us, they're not going after them us. israel does not want peace is relas not trying to protect it. civilian population, if nothing, you want it to protect the civilian population. he would have made

a reasonable peace deal. he has had numerous opportunities. he has always been expansionist. he has always been militaristic, he is not wanted piece. he is not one of the safety of the israeli citizens, orange juice in general. a. so do you, do you think the election of how mosque was a knee jerk reaction to this perceived weakness of the p a. and then of course the, the death of a arafat back in 2004 or 5 died in 2004 in the people that an error thought had a lot of problems. but he is actively represented palestinians in the multi dimensions uh, both in the us in the west bank. and he is real proper. are lots of palestinians, christians and muslims in what is now is real proper. and in refugees in the southern lebanon on, in jordan a and,

and around the world. and so with him gone and was what was obvious, a corrupt leadership in the palestinian authority. and that was in effect, colluding with israel and effectively becoming there. you saw doug a, you know, working against palestinian activist, you know, who are trying to organize for palestinian liberation, the p a co after them. so they were just doing these rallies, bidding. so, you know, for forced to choose between that and a mouse which, you know, was in effect saying we're all one palestinian people and we want to liberate everything. and yeah, our religious is outlets, but we're actually delivering health and food and medicine and so on to the

population that have network of mosques and so on and tells the policy. and people chose that in that, in that context, it is a lousy choice, but i think of quite an understandable war prior to october 7, the saudis, and as railways were at the threshold of normalizing relations. i mean this after the saudis, just restore diplomatic ties with iran. the former allegedly left the palestinian authority feeling a band and or like the saudis had turned their backs on palestine. is there any truth or reality to those sentiments? it's not clear. uh, i mean obviously scary. b a in their current rule or in b s are not ethical operators of, but they have probably to have some, i mean that they're, they're engaging in their own devastation of yemen for example. um, yeah. and,

but, but in, in the us, i did see what they, of, you know, in the pariah because it was killing of kashodi and so on. but obviously haven't done that to us in effect as a backend has back to both atrocities, by his realm into, by, sorry, ravia. you do have a saudi arabia and he, i mean, you know, there was about 20 years ago with developing direction. sorry, a journey in you know, grouping that was emerging in the us and israel managed to undermine that then. so that could be formulating. and you, interesting. we had china, a broker, normalization i understand between saudi arabia. um and uh you, ron, i,

i do have some concerns about this and the i was meaning to raise this earlier. you have countries like iran, profess their support of the palestinians. and i don't doubt that he rides supplies and as the law was material and quite possibly, i'm also not an expert on that, but that's certainly possible. but they have not done all they can in my view of legitimate way in terms of back in the policy and costs. for example, right now you have the pa even saying that the charging that you have genocide going on here. you certainly have genocide with rhetoric of, from the is rarely camp against palestinians. you know, no food, no medicine, no electricity, no water. oh no, you know, blow you up in the death toll is rising by the day. and there

doesn't seem to be any breaks on what is relas capable of here, and you even had in 2014 attack on gaza. you had iranians in venezuelans, in bolivia and leaders to pakistani leaders say that israel was committing genocide even at that point. and this may well be worse than that a, there's a genocide convention. they can invoke this at the united nations to my understanding that this was not done because the policy of the saturday at the united nations asked that it not be done because they were still trying to play foot, see was use railings. now that may change now the p a may decide to get real and stop playing footsie with the israel ease and allow

iran or venezuela, or bolivia, or any other color. russia or any other country to say, let's you know, put in place some legal safeguards here is around the united states. had tied up the international criminal court, which should be taken care of this. but when you have a scale that can be approaching genocide, there's very specific legal definitions of genocide. you don't need to have a industrialized system of exterminating people and onions and so on. many waves have spoken out about this. the late michael ratner of set of cash right off his boil. if you wish to debo annoy, into other legal scholars have laid up the case that you can invoke the genocide convention here. and i think that this is something that governments to claim to be in solidarity with the palestinians around the world can and should do regardless

of what. ringback the polo office as the united nations says, because they are not representing the policies and people who are very effectively at all. and so i think that's, that's a major thing that is totally under utilized in terms of how to actually create a framework for a solution here as so much to unpack, but unfortunately we have to leave it right there. sam, who is saying, thank you so much. be sure to subscribe to sam's work at husein e dot sub zach dot com. thank you. right, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi. the show that digs deep in the foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila, cham thank you so much for tuning and we'll see you again next time figure out the m. o the

the and yet i love you done boss my names. so furious maximus train, i'm an american citizen and then yes, which is why i'm here to show you back to do the west the truth. and as you can see, my government supplied weapons of struck for civilian area. this isn't a military target, this is a grocery store, does go to, my gosh, i can't imagine how these people have worked like this for 9

years. and there are children here. i'm telling you that have died because of my government, the united states governments funding of this list. i'm big baby here in a civilian civilian. right. you can see an impact of the seas are so this makes me angry. i'm sorry. oh, i mean, i know, but still you know, you feel responsible as in america, the, as all forces were hiding and civilian structures, the machine. and so we saw outside the courtyard, the nazi tattoos on his body. our journey is that it's good versus evil. i pray that and i pray that victory comes soon and i believe it

will. the is rarely forces room for the light head of refugee camp in the north of guys like killing at least 30 people overnight. disturbing images from gaza as names are written on the legs of children to identify them and case they're killed. as the death toll rises to over 46, hundreds is rarely community scramble for ruins to identify bodies and find out what happened in the 1st and last attacks. shocking findings that we cannot verify are we sold. she was a pregnant lady. she was butchered to open, the stomach was butcher told me there was a short instance.