[000:00:00;00] the the hello and welcome to the ground stuff where all things are considered. i and people about defense minister go on says israel will wash its hands of guys that once it is completed, its ground military operation and vanquished a mouse binding this ration is given. israel to the green light to conduct its military operation as it pleases. the goal, of course, is to completely erase palestine and its people from the map

the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. she's an award winning journalist, and commentator, and in budapest we cross the jordan 70 wiley. he is a pod cast, read the gamble, which can be found on youtube and locals. gentlemen, cross up rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it, but it's going to george in budapest, um we have the commander in chief, the president's united states, joe biden, given address from the oval office like none other in the history of the american presidency. he was deranged. it was a special pleading, it was full of the bearers assumptions, prejudices of, i've given enough magic tips. george, what's your thoughts? probably like a be more accurate. they observed, i can't think of

a world of them. it was absolutely disgraceful speech and filled with hatred and completely one sided uh, branch it as bigoted. view of, uh, what's going on in the middle east. and it's all of a piece with everything that he has done since. um october, the 7th, which is that it hasn't stopped the yapping about what happened to his room. he hasn't said anything at all about what's been going on and goes, he hasn't said anything about the siege of gauzy ever said anything about the, the mass a soul to taking basing gaza, he, he managed very quickly to say, oh, basically it wasn't responsible for the attack on the hospital, he got got back in the right on time. and um, and then much of the speech didn't even have anything to do with the middle east, which was supposed to this this or if it got back on the joyce people, which itself is of course a lot. um, but it was about about ukraine, about an hour, you know,

the terrible things that have been done through your brain and highway and so it's so absolutely urgent that we do something for you. crime. i suppose it is. well, absolutely dishonest because if he really wants to come up with money for israel or come up with money, the brain he has it is the he doesn't, the congress, he has emergency funds at his disposal. he can always the us presidents of what was done that george w bush did that. he doesn't need congressional appropriation. so this is a goal, again, a political 5th, a to present somehow that the horrible mean republicans, you know, on the, on board 1st these great, the noble goals that the, the bite and the has in mind. you know, you know, mark, now 3 of us can remember all of the camp david meetings with arrow to the home. you know, all these really leaders the now to multiple administrations. but this administration, they their per site and nothing brother. a name,

a air of muslim world right now. i mean, the, the president biden was snubbed, which is very rare. okay. it with what's called, what nominal allies. ok. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary. and it's george said, you know, as much as he wanted to emphasize israel. he was looking for money for ukraine. and i agree with george here, but he wants congress to be comfortable in all of these things. it's me because he wants to make sure that no one is absolved is you know, good, you passed it, you voted for your be your be about matching my politics. this is what it, this is what this is all about. okay? and it's, it's interesting home didn't, you know, who did exactly the same thing with multiple western leaders. ok. so everybody, no one can say, you know, that you weren't heard. martin. i think a little bit, it's about his legacy as well. you know, he's obviously thinking about every election. i mean, i see sleepy general any more. i don't know. go ahead. well, i said before when your program,

i've written my articles that i do wonder how he'll make it to the next re election . but the end of 2024 with this is mental states of deteriorating all the time. he gave a speech just recently, and i don't way where he just spoke person actually called his microphone, actually watched it up. you know, that's how bad it is. when, when joe starts daybreak and he's got people who jump in very quickly and dropped the levels on the makes the case as they started playing jazz music. okay. so betsy's q 2 page, right? yeah. let's not talk about just music and bible and blink and playing the blues. i'm in a, it's, there's a really awful mims going around on the internet of the opening can playing the some, some blues music. and somebody's interested in all these opponents. you know, um, seems that goes with behind it, but as long as you have to unfortunately it's, it's, we're living in the unprecedented times. we've never seen anything any say like, what's going on now? it goes and you talk about job i the speech i have to apologize to the beach. i

didn't see it. i didn't worship. read this much again. my, my pleasure. you know, the, the board is very, very confused on policy has never been this thing and he's just messing up on a, on a glorious level. i mean, there must be people in the white house that are running around, you know, in a panic. because with the situation now where you have this, the real story for me, and because a is this day today, the negotiation. this almost tragic between the, by the ministration of miss neil, who, who is the dog and who is the town who is actually running this entire operation. you know, we, we have completely whitewashed air brushed out being the subject of 50 years of lucky page. and that doesn't exist, that's not popping up on any of the rosa smoke does not even publish narrative, you know, it's, it's not that it's worth that. so it's come us talking point, that's what it gets down to, you know, towards, you know, i've talked about this a lot. i mean, when we look at the situation in ukraine,

we look at the situation. but guys, in israel, these are all craven choices. these are choices people make. okay. and you know, we've had to meaningful attempts at britain having some kind of peace process and you've crane detailed by the west, by the americans. we, we haven't even heard from this white house, you know, restrained negotiations. we haven't even heard those words and then you have the european union running around like it's in the i could chicken with its head cut off. ok. you know, in support of israel. i mean, why it's never really explained these are craven choices. george? exactly right. they are, and i think the biden is, so he has always been, i me, yes, he's the mode the minutes it uh, big a now. and his obviously is suffering severely from dementia, but he has always been a new com. i mean, right from the start of his career, you know, 19 seventies and eighties. he has always been an avid intervention,

as an avid spokesman on behalf of the us phone policy making your lead. and, and he is, this is what he is about, you know, again, back in the ninety's, he was the most rabid, good advocate for bombing the subs. and it isn't surprising that in his approach the lease, he kind of it focused on where, you know, where, where is the, the foreign policy media and military industrial complex position. this is it, any, any sites i'm not going to even make the slide. this pretense as previous presidents have done all being even handed is right away. just think complete the identify themselves with israel and the n, as i said, she hasn't stopped tool. okay. another one thing which was the attack on october, the 7th, nothing. it's all about anything that's happened since then. and again, it is blinking, it goes through is released as i come here as a june. i mean,

if you scroll just above for a secretary of state, again, normally the united states as billed, supposedly the phone is broke up the mediator and he's supposed to, he doesn't do it now on the question of ukraine. it's a game he is this you this policy very single mindedly, which is the side without any of all attempts to come to some sort of a settlement. so it's just been an interview. bob, based with former chancellor gerhard schroeder was a he to and been involved in the early days of mediating something between ross and you're right. he to and he's explicit about, it was rebuffed by the united states. that's who he is and nothing is a he has said since october, the 7th would indicate any american interest in any of them for some sort of uh, even when, when makes this really $0.10 a coal and even really dangerous. martin is that, you know, when you look at the correlation of forces around israel, this is map 20 years ago 25 years ago. we have um, has full out, which is

a very potent political for in political and military boards. and um, instead of, you know, taking the, taking a step from the away from the abyss, is there actually encouraging even to the point where do you think the biochemistry, she really wants a, a total out because they want total victory. so you're gonna have to make a total commitment, go ahead marble. and that's where the best, where the dilemma risk to apply to. and he wants to see and wants to support as well as much that kind of mentioned y'all who doesn't know his dream. but he hasn't got the goals, he hasn't got the class really hasn't got the the of the money in the bank to go the whole 9 yards. which is why i think it was a huge mistake to send the site before 5 destroyers on top of the coast. because i, i know i can understand the logic behind that. he was saying simple to these really to say i'm the, if you need me. but you can't do the, i was just a token because when you do that to hezbollah and the rainy, and joe, you're really playing russian roulette with. not one glitch in the 6 round chamber,

but 3 bullets. you know, you're spending the barrel and you know, who knows what would come out of it. the real worry for me is by them is out of his depths. don't really understand the implications of jordan has split way around, inter regional war. these rallies, know they comp site, a war on 2 fronts. it's just too big. it's took stream and the americans would never ever support and with such a venture. so what do we got left with go a lot of the paper tigers in the room pretending to to be powerful conflicts and then muscles. but at the end of it is just a narrative and lies. i'm going to position what next meal i'm going to do it is he's squeezing, but he's got him by the throat and he's saying, look, i can easily exterminate only a 1000 guys that people tomorrow they can drop dead like flyers. how you going to handle that politically? your country with the press, you know, he's got him that type. and that's what this hold to monetary, of so called project is a little about letting 20 trunk st. 20 trucks,

the extending your argument. you know, he and i'm, and named this program a re racing palestine because that's what it's all about. okay. and it's about me made now for you. there may not be another opportunity coming and that, you know, you know, every time there's a crisis, it's turned into an opportunity for these people here. and that's what, that's what i'm netanyahu's government wants they want. they want to be, they want to be able to, to minute atrocity and get away with that george. like mike dropped ideas of what i think so, but i think it's a doomed thing should do it the raise the sun. i mean, these are, it has tried that before. uh with not any great success. i mean, it's problem is that, you know, yeah, we're gonna raise bias. i, we're going to invest, we're going to do that, and the other bed you have to have to do it. you have to go in there and do the job . and israel, as shown, is of in the boss to be on, willing to do that, that job because it was an apple sustained, didn't know, most casualty, is it so,

and he doesn't want to do it well, you know, we have to talk about, you know, tens of thousands of, uh that is rated and is rarely shown and then it's and i'll willing to do it. so at the moment, i mean, it's all lost. i mean, you know, weeks go by and i haven't done anything. oh, or what we're about to go in and we're about to go in the maybe they will. but from everything that we know of israel in the box, they don't actually like the getting the hand to hand come back making polarized, they can style, they can deny medical treatment and so on. and you know, and frankly, but they don't like sending in their infantry hey, i tried to get the chance. i'd be happy to have a hard break here. and after that hard break, we'll talk about the possibility of israel's land war against scouts est with our to

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the latest. but we've got to not buy them from schultz. this is so bad. there's some people are going to look for foods in because at least between kids about these people present cares about his country, the the are welcome at the cross. that's where all things are considered and peter little, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some realm is

the let me just go back to my lips, talked about the possibility of a land war here. over the last few days, pep talks from the defense minister gonna go onto the troops. you know, next you can see guns over there soon. you will see you guys are from, with in him the all the, some you know, psych ops you know, for the, for the media and all of that. but realistically, i think it's weeks is george, as already mentioned in the 1st part of the brother, it's very, very problematic. but the problem is, is it, mark me, the israel's calling card in the region is been deterrence. now that deterrence was undermined on october 7 in a major way. and it's only the turns in fear that keeps is real safe within what, what it doesn't even define its borders. but what could be when it calls itself the state of israel, but it needs to get that deterrence back or else some, there is

a whole world of bad things are going to happen here one way or another martin? yeah, the main bad thing is that the possibility of deterioration or a complete collapse of israel as we notice, i don't think that's makes that duration. i think that's what the stakes all i mean, and that's and you know, who knows that seats, he's got some of the political pressure on him to pull a rabbit. of the mothers is really explained to filter with a sense um, but i don't think most just really is up behind him with this idea of uh, a new on slow the new campaign on the go. the that was $11.27 is a covered as well a lot. and i can tell you one of the list or best kept secrets in the middle east, is how pull these really is when we talk about infantry. because or the tank single grace investigated with an to cover the force, but the infantry infantry men on the ground, boots on the go, is where the sun is all that good. when they and when that was proved, when they took on the hezbollah, 2006, that was the i reported on it, you know,

and that's the big worry from this. and you can send in time divisions into cause some of those times we blown up some might be captured, you know, when the real flashing, if he's gonna take off as opposed to blood. so i'm just going to take on, so it how much in the, in guns that will be on the ground. it will be soldiers. and how many, what's the most, the magic trigger? how many can you afford to lose? and how many can you know afford to lose? i would say 100. so i wouldn't go with judges figurative thousands. i would say when it goes to $56700.00 idea of soldiers slow to him. it's good they. but the dilemma it takes to me afford not to go in. and george, you know, that's it. kenny, i forgot to go in what it is. he has options. i mean, he can basically take a time to buy them and, and off by doing really well, why don't you tell me not to do this once it's only pay you bought it. i'll do is you buy the, we don't, we don't want a, a, a, but by some right? well if you say so i'm not going to do it. so that's

a way to get out of it as well. i couldn't do anything because the americans, you know, stayed my hand and, and i, we've gone for the full i have with the americans. so that is a way that he can get out of this. so, i mean, i mean i, i don't disagree with the mother and he made it may be hundreds. i mean, it may, may be thousands, but the fact is that is the way it has lost hundreds in the past. and bullying was and you know that and they bench to overcome them because victory. it's a, is, was a successful at the end of the road. i've done it. they last about a 1000 people in the ninety's 67 war. but nonetheless, they continued, you know, breaking out of a champagne for years subsequently. but in this case, it's small to see what this victory would look like, a little bit to destroy it. how about so, i mean, how much is, you know, it's, well, again, they're not just going to go in and the big them of house to house. that is a very, very messy operation. not just house that house that have to go to the tunnels and everything that's, that's all gonna be an easy task, you know,

going through all the tunnels. so, you know, you know, they just like they lose even, you know, several 100 ext, uh, several 1000 without any successful outcome of the in. well then that will have been a failure of the been negotiated. you know what, how far with israel go and that's an interesting question. how far is israel willing to escalate? is a willing to use nuclear weapons? and what else do you say that? no, no, no, of course not. i don't know is that you can say the same thing about is read. oh, i think it's very much on the table here because the stakes are so high because market we've just heard over the last what 2 weeks is that, you know, we don't negotiate with terrorists. the is really government doesn't want the big o'shea with a mouse over hostages. katara is doing the odd, you know, other i n g o's and whatnot. l. o. and then you do a reverse in decide, we're going to leave a standing after everything that's been said in the words matter works matter

a lot. and he, you can, um, you know, if words were bells you can, i'm reading that, okay? and this is the dilemma again, i keep stressing this, these are all been choices and no reality is sitting in here and, and again, like i said, martin is a, it's deterrence, they've lost that. go ahead. oh yeah, they listen to turn some i think if, if, if most of the time policy is nothing you know, who will lose the credibility of being this great will top is great and need a lot of twos me. i think he's already toast. i mean that the, whatever resolution there is, he's out the door. i would i to be as a plane on the tarmac, the old up go ahead that to go back to george's point. the um, i think is right. i said, i think the time the so now in the most luxury center is that he doesn't launch a huge ground offensive. and he doesn't need to be what i believe very strongly. and i've been lost it on the internet for saying this. i think they're looking at

a policy of repeating the holocaust. i think they want to stop hundreds of thousands of dollars. and so, you know, they don't need to send the soldiers in a fight. how much, you know, the, the effect that i would have on own own, unless it would be possibly my break the will of a lot of young man or, you know, with that, that's the way these ways of thinking. and if button is not strong, this button is not so you know, we, we will see a west, a complacent west. that is some lives to, to these are realities that are looking at. and they will just close their eyes and pretend that isn't really happening on both sides. we'll be talking americans these raise. are we talking about a political conundrum? you know we, which is still my we can't quite decide what to do. but in the meantime, another 100000 people just dropped dead light flights. you know, i think that's possibly the main things that nation yahoo is, is looking to gentlemen, if there is a land in encouraging a landing page. and then with martin is just said, there is the policy is and if, and from what i can tell, i obviously do not watch cnn. but i,

i've been told in the last few hours that they do all of their reporting from comfortable places and tell of the been jerusalem related to any images, any images of gaza at all. okay, i just talked to people on board the unfortunate people that have their loved ones, like the captivity in i'm the gaza strip, but that's about it. so my point, george is the reinforce. what we've just been said here is just go report on it just as the population is cold. it's a cali george. oh, yes, it is a thing that i'm going to see just guys a will continue with is obviously the objective in mind, or just simply kidding office population. but even of cnn, those are important. even if the less than the public won't know very much about the people in the mid least will know about it. and again, it will have,

israel will have different. so this avoiding a wide scale wor, um, because of people who, you know, his father will know about this, i will know that you are basically just starving a population of this. and that would still is, or it will still have that problem on his hands, which is that his bottle will get in. i mean, they'll be able to, so i'm going to be on site tomorrow, and i think that's an excellent point here. so if we, if we set up a, we agree that the land invasion is just type in the, in, in, in lieu of another policy. but basically the ethnic cleansing, do you think hezbollah would stand by and in a, in wats? because that's the period of the case right now, is that israel is hesitant to have a landing page and because it will, well, it will see as blog intro, the of the conflict on the side of the palestinians. but even if the policy is just are being the mouth calling, do you think has beloved would intervene even under those circumstances? at some point? yeah, i mean, it has brought me wrong just in a country to what ms. west novelist might like to see it has been running around

playing very, very cool, cause keeping very cool edge and watching the day to day um, situation development. i think if we get that point where we're looking at what is clear, that is the policy, then i think you'll see at least a certain amount of destruction of destructive attacks from has been the scuffles. kosanota exchanges that govern heights exchange about to read that will be the same end of the glitch. and then they'll see how is real in a place that the big worry here, the religious, but you know a little while right now, but this is going to escalate originally. and i wonder if that's now who was thinking of the nose and buddha, and another world with a, with his beloved as a, as a account to wage to what he's not doing and done so, you know, he might think they're all great victories to the americans now, the hezbollah has approximately a 100000 rockets,

which are quite sophisticated programs, as we speak, targeted to cumulative installations, power stations for government buildings, you know, and there's no way that they're gonna, america is going to allow that to happen. but the worry is miscalculation and the worry is that we are being treated by netanyahu. and a certain point he will create a full flag attack between hezbollah and those american ships. and that's my worry . that's what i think the, you know, huge. it is excellent. and our suspicion, george, why is the united states supporting israel the way it does? i mean, what is the strategic interest security interest? this is what the photos me is confuse me all my life. one question. yeah. yeah, no i, i don't know. looks answerable, i'm putting george on the spot as i easily do. but he does. it usually comes back with a good one. go ahead or. yeah, i don't know if i can come up with a good one because i don't think it's a very good on simple this never has israel done anything at all for the united

states though to strengthen the united states as position of the united states as formulated its foreign policy and what was the beginning from the time that the state of israel was created, which was solving the refugee problem adhering to resolution to, for, to withdrawal from the occupied territories. no set the lens of and eventually a 2 state solution. all of these positions of a, the american government has of head to this royal, this just basically defied the united states. we also know about all these things like the of the back on the us as liberty, which was never explain, you know, the family, you know, go on and on is or it has never done anything. it's all night to state. but yet, the united states is continually showering gifts on israel and all seeing nothing in between them. and you know, it's really interesting getting me up and down this point here, but going back to bite and speech a piece of uh, absolutely, to, to the,

to the hilt supporting 2 s no fanatical regimes, one in israel in one in ukraine. where are those rules based? ordered rules based, ordered, gentleman, i don't know or a gentleman that's all the time we have one to think, my guessing, marrakech and in budapest, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember about stifles the of the western leaders that we've got to assume that by the wrong schultz days so bad that some people are going to look for pollution because of these products and cares about these people present cares about his country.

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