i stayed on the rushes to day and split from ortiz both next, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the tv service was for the question. did you say you requested the hello i manila chan. you are tuned into modus operandi. a reason attacked into israel proffered by how most fighters re ignited an age is long battle, dividing the world into 2 camps, those supporting israel and those support in palestine. but is a conflict really that in binary, or is the nuance behind it all really? what should be discussed today will break down the humanitarian disaster. that is garza that could only widen as outside intervention steps in and explore aspects

that the mainstream media will discuss. all right, let's get into the m o the, depending on the lenses where you will either see a david and goliath story and gaza, or a surprise terrorist attack into it's peaceful neighbour of israel. it seems the world is divided on this much in the same way. busy it was over ukraine. there's debate over intelligence failures outside 3rd party funding or planning, who backed home and be oversimplification of good versus evil. there is even as much a media and messaging more as there is physical violence when discussing the conflict between israel and the last. and one important distinction that must be made in

immediately, is that how mazda is not a country, rather a political faction along the palestinian population, primarily in the gaza strip. that was a counterweight or opposition party to the westbank spots our ruling party in the palestinian parliamentary system. so when israel says they are fighting home us, it's because they have labeled hamas a terror organization. so what effect then is real declaration of war against loss is a declaration of war on terror. you may remember the same declaration made by george w bush after 911. in fact, over and over we've heard is rarely officials declared in this there 911. borrowing the same bush era, nebulous rhetoric, not this. so for more on this, we will turn to san jose ne, an independent journalist who has been covering this topic for many years. you can see more of sam's work by going to who seine dot sub stack dot com. sam,

thank you so much for joining me. first. let's address the events that unfolded on october 7th, which sparked this volley of violence thereafter. how did how loss manage this incursion? into israel proper, including your parent gliding into this music festival, where many party goers were killed. i mean isn't as rarely, airspace and, and their territory just about as heavily surveilled and monitor. i mean, comparable to the aerospace here in washington dc. i mean, was this a massive intelligence failure? but a couple of questions there. um, 1st off on hand, gladly. i haven't heard anybody note. and i've heard stories that the 1st intifada back in 1987 was triggered by a hang glider, an independent person not affiliated with any group of flu

into a of uh, some kind of is rarely military facility or something. um, and i don't know exactly what happened there, but there is a deep history in terms of palestinians using a bank litres. i don't know how many people are aware of that, even potentially the people who organized this operation. it was obviously a very well planned. but it seems to have been a very well planned operation. i mean to compare it to the aerospace around washington dc is a little bit wrong because i mean, does, that's very unique in that it is basically been under a siege by israel. um, uh for uh the at least a decade and a half. now. i mean, there is no airport in guys. why is there no airport? because they built in the airport in the late ninety's and then israel blew it up

in 2001. so for, you know, the way that people talk about guys doesn't, a lot of it doesn't understand the devastation and the strangulation. and the deprivation is that people in gaza has, has suffered. but this was obviously a well planned operation. from my point of view is brilliant in terms of what date seemed to have done in terms of taking on these really militaries and much fault. it is really military and hardly tragic in their parents targeting as well. ready of the civilians, although i think that a great deal of what was done to civilians has been exact, where you're at least as of what we know now in, in terms of the, these claims of the, you know, butchering babies and potentially rapes and so on. there's

a long history of finding free texts for war and devastation based on, um, uh, you know, fabrications around the baby incubators with the 1st year rock war and so on. so there's could be a huge disinformation aspect of it. another big question, which i think does mirror investigation, is to what extent this was such a major intelligence feller it is. i mean, israel apparently got warnings from the junctions that something big was coming in from us. and their statement was paying attention to the students from us . i put out a thing about their web page to be ignored. i was the 1st person to post their statement on twitter, which i've now since then did from for a apparently irrelevant unrelated reasons. and apparently

just simply as a reporter say, look, this is what, how about my says their justification is in their statement. they say that it was to the stuff they had warned as well. that in their statement, they say, despite repeated warnings, these rallies wouldn't, you know, he, them, and so we carried out this operation. and so either use incredible intelligence fairly or by israel, or that there was some kind of stand down 16 of what many people claim a f d r did regarding pearl harbor that he effectively lift. pearl harbor happened in order to draw the us into a world war 2, and it may be the case that netanyahu, who has been dialed follicle and the cereal wire in

murder. oh, you know, wants to find a pretext to, uh, you know, go to, you know, devastate guys potentially even, um, do a mass expulsion of palestinians as he is a advocated in the past in 1989 at yahoo. gov says it is real should take advantage of seeing that at yahoo, the of the, of the admin square a mastercard to, uh, to carry out an expulsion. so, um, you know, that, that, that's my read of the, you know, immediate, immediate situation. the right to your point about as the are the same has been sad about george w bush and 911. i mean, the, the warnings, the red flags were there, but seemingly ignored. now let's get into the why, why did how last decide to strike and, and why now? and do you think this will lead to be 3rd input fata?

um, it's hard to get into people's heads. i mean certainly is real stated goals of, you know, protecting israel isn't protecting jews. i say or false. they're not doing. i did. they did want to protect zeros and did want to protect you is that they would have to read to a reasonable pc for years ago and wouldn't have fostered him us. there's a big history there of israel building up from us starting in the 1980s, kind of like the us, the built up the new dry dean in a fantasy and what would become the television. and they did that to split the palestinian ranks to undermine the secular polo at the time. and so, and even recent statements of nothing goes but it's saying stuff like we gotta fund him, us a reset. i mean within the last couple of years. and that's in terms of from us as motives. again, i don't, you know, it's difficult to get into people's heads,

particularly political actors who might have mackie bentley and motives in mind. i think a lot of people, i hope that this sparks a another default and it might what, eh, you know, pal students have repeatedly done these uprisings in order to push forward their quest for justice and independence. and that is certainly laudable. and then of it of itself, um, or of, but you know, i'm us, you know, may well have other motives in terms of their own political dynamics. they seem to have succeeded. if one of the guards has an intelligence failure by his role in making israel think that they were just interested in some, you know, mind,

you know, getting whatever bread crumbs of economic development sees rallies like to grant them in their great benevolence. and didn't seem to, of, you know, psyched out these rallies, and in effect, you know, up totally up into you in terms of their military struggle. and many people view a mouse as a legitimate resistance group. and i think that there's some cretins to that. but i think just under, that's a cool levels of targeting of civilians and music festival, at least the moral level. it's got a legal level of is, you know, incredibly problematic say the least. um so, so it's, it's not clear what, what, how much is motives are to me. um, you know, i, i don't doubt that many people, it from us are genuinely driven by a,

it's incredible frustration and anger at the of what is rel, is doing to them. it was bombings and siege and deprivation over all these years. and what the us is, the selected and backed and financed from is role. and the fact that the a global, you know, the international community has done nothing to stop it. and indeed that israel, it has been on a rampage in terms of normalizing with the us, is help with these eric dictatorships. i was the so called abraham courts under under trump, and this process continues under bite. and it's was met some of the same people at the state department under both allegedly, of loggerhead administrations. they completely agree on this and they work hand in

glove in order to strangle the palestinians and to try to normalize relations between israel. so i can imagine that thomas, i saw that they were coming or isolated and they were even talking about saudi arabia, normalizing relations. and of course are very busy us, client partner as well and their violence against women. so kind of make sense. so i'm asked me well, that made this move in order to sort of grab the initiative so that they won't be completely israel's mercy once israel completes this normalization process even had are the ones the turkish president need. was there to know who for the 1st time ever recently, so the isolation was increasing. and so i think that that might have a push come us in order to grab the initiative from their point of view coming up

next, the internal battles between the palestinian territories, gaza and the west bank from us on one side and the palestinian authority on the other we'll discuss it when we return with sam husein is to type them all will be right back the the at the end of the 18th century, great britain began to conquer and colonize australia. from the very beginning of the british penetration to the continent, natives were subjected to severe violence and deliberate extra patient. according to modern historians, in the 1st 140 years,

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the the welcome back to the m o i manila chance. prior to the tragic events in early october, saudi arabia was in the process of normalizing relations with israel. that's all off the table now. sam, who is saying he is back to continue the conversation. sam, thanks for sticking around. so we've seen a lot of western media conflate hamas with palestinian civilians in gaza, perhaps deliberately. how important is that distinction and also the distinction

between hamas and the palestinian authority? it's tremendously important to make the distinctions between a mouse and the palestinian civilians and the posting is already posting is already effectively presides over a surrender government in the west bank. uh, the area, the sort of between israel and jordan or parts of it is they don't even have the whole thing. and they basically do what israel says that they're, they're just sort of a surrender, a surrender government vc government like a government installed by the nazis in france during world war 2. and mos came to power because they won an election in 2006. and i think they won the election for reasons that are not well understood. this was in the aftermath of

yasser arafat's desk, a possible assassination by the is rarely use. and i think that the palestinian people partially elected how much at that point to say we are one people and you're not going to divide us between people in the west bank. so the refugees in southern lebanon on the up and the greater the, you know, population of palestinians around the world. and, um, so that's how come us came to power in people, in the, even irrespective of this attack and so on. i mean, how much had a legitimacy crisis in terms of they, they weren't doing resistance and they were setting up their own structures that work, that were somewhat delivering because they have a network because it's rough, helps them build up a network of health clinics. and so on, in the 1980s,

in order to undermine the p. o. but there's been some frustration among palestinians in terms of yeah what, what, what, what this really deliver. just as there is from of the p a sitting there and remo, uh, which is far better off than the rest of the post in new territories. there are some palestinian movements which are independent of for example, there's more one but boutique was a palestine national initiative. and i think he's a voice with some legitimacy but he's not backed by us funding or by religious salvatore. so um and i should say other palestinians who live attempted independent for example, you have a figure like the uh, uh, the book um the wide, who's

a non violent activist to help support the 1st you decide in the 1980s. you know what is relative to him expelled to get the hell out of here. we don't want your non violence. so you know, so when, whenever israel says, you know, we, we have to deal with somebody else. yeah, well you expelled all of these people who attempted to, you know, organize, non violently to end the occupation. and so then you end up with the, you know, with the groups that are most prone to committing violence, you yourself, backed. and so the current context is appalling, that the us media is in many others, are minimizing the devastation towards the you know, of the palestinian civilian population. in guys, just as they've been ignoring the repeated is really a tax on the west bank for the last several months. and that they are justifying it

effectively by pointing to allege the message. i know that they're, they're going after i'm us, they're not going after him. us. israel does not want peace is relas not trying to protect it. civilian population, if nothing, you want it to protect the civilian population. he would have made a reasonable peace deal. he has had numerous opportunities. he has always been expansionist. he has always been militaristic, he is not wanted peace. he is not one of the safety of the israeli citizens, orange juice in general. so do you, do you think the election of how mosque was a knee jerk reaction to this perceived weakness of the p a. and then of course the, the death of a arafat back in 2004 or 5 died in 2004 in the people that an error thought had a lot of problems. but he is actively represented palestinians in the

multi dimensions uh, both in the us or in the west bank. and he is real proper. are lots of palestinians, christians and muslims in what is now is real proper. and in refugees in the southern lebanon, in jordan, a and, and around the world. and so with him gone and was what was obvious, a corrupt leadership in the palestinian authority. and that was in effect, colluding with israel and effectively becoming there. you saw a, you know, working against palestinian activist and you know, who are trying to organize for palestinian liberation. the p a co after them. uh so they were just doing these rallies, bidding. so, you know, for forced to choose between that and a mouse which, you know,

was in effect saying we're all one palestinian people and we will liberate everything. and yeah, we're religious is outlets, but we're actually delivering health and food and medicine and so on to the population that have network of mosques and so on and doesn't policy. and people chose that in that, in that context. it is a lousy choice, but i think of quite an understandable war prior to october 7, the saudis, and as riley's were at the threshold of normalizing relations. i mean this after the saudis, just restore diplomatic ties with iran. the former allegedly left the palestinian authority, feeling abandoned or like the saudis had turned their backs on palestine. is there any truth or reality to those sentiments? it's not clear. uh, i mean, obviously scary. b,

a in their current rule or in the us are not ethical operators of but they have probably to have some, i mean that they're, they're engaging in their own devastation of human for example. um, yeah. and but, but in, in the us, i did say, would make of, you know, in the prior because it was killing of kashodi and so on. but obviously haven't done that to us in effect as a backend has back to both atrocities by is rolled into by saudi arabia. you do have a saudi arabia. and i mean, you know, there was about 20 years ago with developing the direction, sorry, a journey in, um you know,

grouping that was emerging in the us and israel managed to undermine that then. so that could be the formulating. and you, interesting, we had china, a broker of normalization, i understand between saudi arabia. um and uh, you run up i, i do have some concerns about this. and the i was meaning to raise this earlier. you have countries like you're on a process. there are support of the palestinians and i don't doubt that he rides supplies as belong with material and quite possibly i'm also not an expert on that, but that's certainly possible. but they have not done all they can and my view is legitimately in terms of back in the house in costs, for example, right now you have the, the p a even saying that the charging that you have genocide going on here. you

certainly have genocide with rhetoric of from the is really camp against palestinians. you know, no food, no medicine, no electricity, no water. oh no, you know, blow you up in the death toll is rising by the day. and there doesn't seem to be any breaks on what is relas capable of here. and you even had in the 2014 attack on guys that you had your audience in venezuelans, in bolivia and leaders to pakistani leaders say that his role is committing genocide even at that point. and this may well be worse than that. and there's a genocide convention, they can invoke this at the united nations to my understanding that this was not done because the policy and authority at the united nations asked that

it not be done because they were still trying to place, put, see, was use railings. now that may change now the p a may decide to get real and stop playing footsie with the israel ease and allow e, ron, or venezuela or olivia, or any other color. russia or any other country to say, let's you know, put in place some legal safeguards here is around the united states. had tied up the international criminal court, which should be taken care of this. but when you have a scale that can be approaching genocide, this very specific legal definitions of genocide, you don't need to have a industrialized system of exterminating people and onions and so on. many lawyers have spoken out about this. the late michael ratner of self costs rights filters boil. conversely,

depo annoy and other legal scholars have laid up the case that you can invoke the genocide convention here. and i think that this is something that governments who claim to be in solidarity with the palestinians around the world can and should do regardless of what the polo office as the united nations says. because they're not representing the policies and people who are very effectively at all. so i think that's, that's a major thing that is totally under utilized in terms of how to actually create a framework for a solution here. as so much to unpack. but unfortunately, we have to leave it right there. sam, who's saying thank you so much of be sure to subscribe to sam's work at jose need dot sub zach dot com. thank you. right. that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm

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