the, the hello and welcome to the ground stuff where all things are considered. i'm funeral about defense minister go on, says israel will wash its hands of gaza once it is completed, its ground, military operation, and bank, which time us divide ministration is given israel. the green light to conduct its military operation as it pleases. the goal, of course, is to completely erase palestine and its people from the map the to discuss these issues and more,

i'm joined by my guess martin j america's. she's an award winning journalist, and commentator, and in budapest we cross the jord 70 wiley. he is a pod cast, read the gospel which can be found on youtube and locals. right? gentlemen, cross up rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it, but it's going to george in budapest, um we have the commander in chief, the president, the united states job i can give an address from the oval office like none other in the history of the american presidency, it was deranged. it was a special pleading. it was full of the bearers assumptions, prejudices that i've given enough agitators, george, what's your thoughts this good? probably like a be more accurate. they observed, i, i can't think a lot of them. it was absolutely disgraceful speech. it filled with hatred and completely one sided, a branch it as bigoted. view of, uh,

what's going on in the middle east. and it's all the piece with everything that he has done since um october, the 7th, which is that he hasn't stopped yapping about what happened to his room. he hasn't said anything at all about what's been going on in gauze. he hasn't said anything about the siege of gauzy ever said anything about the, the mass, a slaughter taking basing gaza. but he managed very quickly to say, oh, this really wasn't responsible for the attack on the hospital. he got got back in the right on time. and, and then much of the speech didn't even have anything to do with the middle east, which was supposed to this this for if it got back on the jewish people, which itself is of course a lot. um, but it was a lot about your brain about an hour, you know, the terrible things that have been done through your brain and how it so it's so absolutely urgent that we do something for your client. and of course it is. well, absolutely dishonest because if he really wants to come up with money for israel or

come up with money be right. he has, it is the he doesn't, the congress, he has emergency funds at his disposal. he can always the us presence of what was done that george w bush did that. he doesn't need congressional appropriation. so this is all, again, a political stance a to present somehow that the horrible mean republicans in the, on the on board was these great, the noble goals that the, the bite. and it has in mind, you know, you know, mark, now 3 of us can remember all of the camp david meetings with arrow to know, you know, all these really leaders, you know, to multiple administrations. but this administration, they, they're per side and nothing brother, name, error, muslim world right now. i mean, the, the president biden was snubbed, which is very rare. okay. it with what's called, what nominal allies. okay. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary. and it's george said, you know,

as much as he wanted to emphasize israel. he was looking for money for ukraine. and i agree with george here, but he wants congress to be comfortable in all of these things. scapes me because he wants to make sure that no one is absolved is you know, good, you passed it, you voted for your be your be by matching my politics. this is what, this is what this is all about. okay? and it's, it's interesting how didn't, you know, who did exactly the same thing with multiple western leaders. ok, so everybody in knowing can say, you know, that you weren't heard martin. i think a little bit, it's about his legacy as well. you know, he's obviously thinking about every election. i mean, i see sleepy general any more. i don't know. go ahead. well, i said before when your program, i've written my articles, but i do wonder how he'll make it to the next re election. but the end of 2024 with this is mental states of deteriorating all the time. he gave a speech just recently and i don't way where he just spoke person actually called

his microphone and actually watched it up. you know, that's how bad it is when, when joe starts daybreak and he's got people who jump in very quickly and dropped the levels on the mic. i made the case as i started playing jazz music. okay. so betsy's q 2 gigs. right? yeah. let's not talk about just music and bible and blink. i'm playing the blues. i'm in a it's, there's a really awful mims going around on the internet of the opening can playing the some, some blues music. and somebody's interested in all these opponents. you know, um, seems that goes a bunch of good. it's on joy to unfortunately it's, it's, we're living and unprecedented times. we've never seen anything any say like, what's going on now and goes and you talk about turbine and speech. i have to apologize to the beach. i didn't see it. i didn't worship this. must have put, you know, the board is very, very confused on policy is never been this thing and he's just messing up on a, on

a glorious level. i mean, there must be people in the white house that are running around, you know, in a panic because with the situation now where you have this, the real story for me. and because a is this day today, the negotiation. this almost tragic between the, by the ministration of miss neil, who is the dog and who is the town who is actually running this entire operation. you know, we, we have completely whitewashed air brushed out the entire subject of 50 is what the patient that doesn't exist. that's not popping up on any of for rosa's. no, that's not even possibly narrative. you know, it's, it's no margaret, it's worth that. so it's come us talking point, that's what it gets down to it, you know, charged. you know, i've talked about this a lot. i mean, when we look at the situation in ukraine, we look at the situation. but guys, in israel, these are all craven choices. these are choices people make, okay. and if you know, we've had to meaningful attempts at britain having some kind of peace process and

you've crane detailed by the west, by the americans. we, we haven't even heard from this white house, you know, restrained negotiations. we haven't even heard those words and then you have the european union running around like it's in the i could chicken with its head cut off. ok. you know, in support of israel. i mean, why it's never really explained these are craven choices. george? exactly right. they are, and i think the biden is who he has always been. i me, yes, he's the mode the minutes it uh, big a now. and his obviously is suffering severely from dementia, but he has always been a neo con. i mean, right from the style of history, you know, 19 seventy's and eighty's. he has always been an avid intervention, as an avid spokesman on behalf of the us phone policy making your lead. and, and they gave me is, this is what he's about, you know, big game back in the ninety's. he was the most rabid,

good advocate for bombing the subs. and that'll be, it isn't surprising that in his approach the lease, he kind of it focused on where, you know, where, where is the, the foreign policy media and military industrial complex position. this is it, any, any sites i'm not going to even make the slide. this pretense as previous presidents have done all being even handed is right away. just think complete the identify themselves with israel and the n, as i said, she hasn't stopped tool. okay. another one thing which was the attack on october, the 7th, nothing. it's all about anything that's happened since then. and again, it is blinking, it goes through is where it is as i come here as a june. i mean, if you scroll just above for a secretary of state, again, normally the united states as billed, supposedly the owners broker, the mediator of naples. he doesn't do it now on the question of ukraine. it's

a game he is this you this policy very single mindedly, which is the side without any and all attempts to come to some sort of a settlement. so it's just been an interview. bob, based with former chancellor gerhard schroeder was a he too, had been involved in the early days of mediating something between ross and you're right. he too, and he's explicit about it was rebuffed by the united states. that's who he is and nothing is a he has said since october, the 7th would indicate any american interest in any of them for some sort of uh what, what makes this really concerns nicole and even really dangerous. martin is that, you know, when you look at the correlation of forces around israel, this is about 20 years ago. 25 years ago. we have um, has full out, which is a very potent political for in political and military boards. and um, instead of, you know, taking the, taking a step from the away from the abyss is they're actually encouraged at naming to the

point. where do you think the biochemistry, she really wants a, a total out because they want total victory. so you're gonna have to make a total commitment, go ahead marble. and that's where the best, where the dilemma risk to apply to. and he wants to see and wants to support as well as much that kind of mentioned y'all who doesn't know his dream. but he hasn't got the goals, he hasn't got the class really hasn't got the the of the money in the bank to go the whole 9 yards, which is why i think it was a huge mistake to send the site before 5 destroy is not on the coast because i, i know i can understand the logic behind that he was saying simple to these really to say i'm the, if you need me, but you can't do the was just a token. because when you do that to hezbollah and the rainy, and joe, you're really playing russian roulette with. not one glitch in the 6 round chamber, but 3 bullets. you know, you're spending the bow and, you know, who knows what would come out of it. the real worry for me is by them is out of his depths. doesn't really understand the implications of jordan has split way around,

inter regional these rallies. no, they comp site, a war on 2 fronts. it's just too big. it's took stream and the americans would never ever support and with such a venture. so what do we got left with go a lot of the paper tigers in the room pretending to, to be powerful conflicts and then muscles. but at the end of it, it's just a narrative and lies. i'm an installation. what next meal i'm going to do it is he's squeezing, but he's gone and by the throat. and he's saying, look, i can easily exterminate almost 1000 gallons of people tomorrow. they can drop dead like flies, how you going to handle that politically in your country with the press. you know, he's got him that type. and that's what this whole to monetary, of so called project is a little about letting 20 trunk same 20 trucks. the extending your argument and i'm, and named this program, the rate of racing palestine because that's what it's all about. okay? and there may not be another opportunity to come in and they, you know, get,

you know, every time there's a crisis, it's turned into an opportunity for these people here. and that's what, that's what i'm netanyahu's government wants they want. they want to be, they want to be able to, to minute atrocity and get away with that george. like mike, good ideas of what i think so, but i think it's a doomed thing. sure. to erase the sun. i mean, these are, let's try that before. uh with not any great success. i mean is problem is that, you know, yeah, we're gonna raise bias, i'm going to invest, we're going to do that, and the other bed you have to have to do it. you have to go in there and do the job . and israel, as shown itself in the boss to be on willing to do that that, that job because it was an apple sustained, didn't know most casual to is it so, and he doesn't want to do it. you know, we have to talk about, you know, tens of thousands of, uh, that is rated and is rarely shown that it's not willing to do it. so, at the moment, i mean, it's all lost. i mean, you know,

weeks go by and i haven't done anything. oh, or what we're about to go in and we're about to go and maybe they will. but from everything that we know of israel in the box, they don't actually like the getting the hand to hand come back making polarized they can style, they can deny medical treatment and so on. and you know, and, and threaten. but they don't like sending in their infantry hey, i try to get the chance. i'd be happy to have a hard break here. and after that hard break, we'll talk about the possibility of israel's land war against scouts est with r t. the . on the

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about these people fits and cares about his country, the a welcome act, across software, all things are considered. and peter a little, this is the home addition to remind you, we're discussing some realm is the let's go back to my, let's talk about the possibility of the land war here. over the last few days, pep talks from the defense minister going to go onto the troops. you know, next you can see guns over there soon. you will see you guys have room with in him the all the some you know, psych ops you know for the, for the media and all of that. but realistically, i think it's weeks is george, as already mentioned in the 1st part of the brother. it's very, very problematic,

but the problem is, is it, mark me, the israel's calling card in the region is been deterrence. now that deterrence was undermined on october 7 in a major way. and it's only the turns in fear that keeps is real safe within what, what it doesn't even define its borders. but what could be when it calls itself the state of israel, but it needs to get that deterrence back or else. um uh there is a whole world of bad things are going to happen here one way or another martin. yeah. the main bad thing is that the possibility of deterioration or a complete collapse of israel as we notice, i don't think that's an exaggeration. i think that's what the stakes are. i mean, and that's and you know, who knows that seats is go. some of the political pressure on him to pull a rabbit out of the mothers is really explained to talk to her with a sense um, but i don't think most is really is up behind him with this idea of uh,

a new on slow a new campaign on the guy that was 11 to 7 years i coverage is around a lot. and i can tell you one of the list or best kept secrets in the middle east, is how pull these really is when we talk about infantry. because are the tank single grace investigated weapons to cover their force, but infantry infantry men on the ground, boots on the go, is where the sun is all that good. when they and when that was proved, when they took on the hezbollah, 2006, that was the i reported on it, you know, and that's the big worry from this. and you can send in time divisions into because some of these times we blown up some might be captured, you know, when the real flashing, if he's gonna take off, as opposed to blow, i'm just gonna take on. so it how much in go in goes, it will be on the ground, it will be soldiers. and how many, what's the most, the magic trigger? how many can you afford to lose? and how many can you know afford to lose? i would say 100. so i wouldn't go with judges figurative thousands. i would say when it goes to $56700.00 idea of soldiers slow to him. it's good. they but the

dilemma it takes to me afford not to go in george. you know, that's it. kenny, i forgot to go in what it is, he has options, i mean, he can basically take a time to buy them and, and off by doing really well, why don't you tell me not to do this once it's only pay you bought it. i'll do is you buy a, we don't, we don't want a, a, a, but by some right? well if you say so i'm not going to do it. so that's a way to get out of it as well. i couldn't do anything because the americans, you know, stayed my hand and, and i, we've gone for, for that with the americans. so that is a way that he can get out of this. so, i mean, i mean i, i don't disagree with the mobility. you maybe get maybe hundreds, i mean it may maybe thousands, but the fact is that is the way it has lost hundreds in the past. and bullying was and you know that and they bench to overcome them because victory. it's a is, was a successful at the end of the road. i don't they last about

a 1000 people in the ninety's 67 war. but nonetheless, they continued in a breaking out of a champagne for years subsequently. but in this case, it's small to see what this victory would look like, a little bit to destroy it. how much i mean, how much is, you know, it's, well, again, they're not just going to go in and the big them of house to house. that is a very, very messy operation. not just house that house that have to go to the tunnels and everything that's, that's all gonna be an easy task. you know, guys all the time old. so, you know, you know, they just like they lose even, you know, several 100 ext, uh, several 1000 without any successful outcome of the and well then that will have been a failure of the been negotiated. you know what, how far with the israel go, and that's an interesting question. how far is israel willing to escalate is, is a willing to use nuclear weapons and what else do you say that? no, no, no, of course not. i don't know is that you can say the same thing about israel. oh, i think it's very much on the table here because the stakes are so high because

martin we've just heard over the last what 2 weeks is that, you know, we don't negotiate with terrorists. the is really government doesn't want the big o shape with a mouse over hostages. katara is doing the other. i n g o's and whatnot. l. o. and then you do a reverse in decide. we're going to leave a mouse standing after everything that's been said in the words matter, words matter a lot. and he, you can, um, you know, if words were bells who kept on ring the. okay, and this is the dilemma again. i keep stressing this is, these are all been choices and no reality is sitting in here and, and again, like i said, martin is a, it's deterrence. they've lost that. go ahead. oh yeah, they listen to turn some i think if, if, if most of the time policy is nothing you know, who will lose the credibility of being this great will top is great. deed of trust me. i think he's already tubs that mean that the whatever resolution there is,

he's out the door. i would i to be as a plane on the tarmac, the old up go ahead to go back to george's point. the um, i think is right. i spent, i think the time the so now are the most luxury center is that he doesn't launch a huge ground offensive. he doesn't need to be what i believe very strongly and i've been lost it on the internet for saying this. i think they're looking at a policy of repeating the holocaust. i think they want to stop hundreds of thousands of dollars. and so, you know, they don't need to send the soldiers in a fight. how much, you know, the, the effect that i would have on own own, unless it would possibly might break the will of a lot of young man or, you know, with that, that's the way these ways of thinking. and if button is not strong, spine is not so you know, we, we will see a west, a compressed west that is some lives to, to these are realities that are looking at. and they will just close their eyes and pretend that isn't really happening on both sides. we'll be talking americans these

raise. are we talking about a political conundrum? you know we, which is still my we can't quite decide what to do. but in the meantime, another 100000 people just dropped dead light flights. you know, i think that's possibly the main things that mission yahoo is, is the gentleman if there is a land in encouraging a landing page. and then with martin is just said, there is the policy is and if, and from what i can tell, i obviously do not watch cnn. but i, i've been told in the last few hours that they do all of their reporting from comfortable places in tel aviv and jerusalem. oh they don't any images, any images of gaza at all? okay. i just talked to people on board the unfortunate people that have their loved ones, like the captivity in i'm the gaza strip, but that's about it. so my point, george is the reinforce. what we've just been said here is just go report on it just as the population is cold. it's a cali george. yes, it is

a thing that i'm going to see just guys. a we'll continue with is obviously the objective in mind, or just simply kidding office population. but even of cnn, those are important. even if the less than a public won't know very much about the people in the middle east will know about it. and again, it will have, israel will have different so this avoiding a wide scale wor, um, because the people, you know, his father will know about this. i will know that you are basically just starving a population to death. and that would still is, or it will still have that problem on his hands, which is that his bottle will get in. i mean, they'll be able to someone to be outside tomorrow. and i think that's an excellent point here. so if we, if we set a, we agree that the land invasion is just type in the, in, in, in lieu of another policy. but basically the ethnic cleansing, do you think hezbollah would stand by and in a, in wats?

because that's the theory of the case right now, is that israel is hesitant to have a landing page and because it will, well, it will see a testable intro the of the conflict on the side of the palestinians. but even if the policy is just are being the mouth calling, do you think has beloved would intervene even under those circumstances? at some point? yeah, i mean, it has brought me wrong just in a country to what ms. west novelist might like to see it has been running around playing very, very cool, cause keeping very cool edge and watching the day to day um, situation development. i think if we get that point where we're looking at what is clear, that is the policy, then i think you'll see at least a certain amount of destruction. destructive attacks from has belong to build a scuffle across buddha exchanges that govern heights exchange about to read that will be the end of the glitch. and then they'll see how is real in

a place that the big worry here, the religious but you know, a little while right now, but this is going to escalate originally. and i wonder if that's now who was thinking of the know them both a and another war with a, with his blood as a, as a account to wage to what he's not doing and done so, you know, he might think there okay, victories to the americans now, the hezbollah has approximately a 100000 rockets, which are quite sophisticated programs, as we speak, targeted to cumulative installations, power stations for government buildings, you know, and there's no way that they're gonna, america is going to allow that to happen. but the worry is miscalculation and the worry is that we are being treated by netanyahu and a certain point he will create a false flag attack between hezbollah and those american ships. and that's my work . that's what i think the, you know, it is excellent. and our suspicion, george, why is the united states supporting israel the way it does mean?

what is the strategic interest security interest? this is what the photos me is confuse me all my life. one question. yeah. yeah, no i, i don't know. looks answerable. i'm putting george on the spot as i easily do, but he does. it usually comes back with a good one. go ahead or. yeah, i don't know if i can come up with a good one because i don't think it's a very good on simple. this is never, has israel done anything at all for the united states, the strength of the united states as position of the united states as formulated its foreign policy. and what was the beginning from the time that the state of israel was created, which was solving the refugee problem adhering to resolution to, for, to withdrawal from the occupied territories. no settlements of, and eventually a 2 state solution. all of these positions of a, the american government has of head to this royal, this just basically defied the united states. we also know about all these things

like the of the back on the us as liberty, which was never explain, you know, the family, you know, go on and on is or it has never done anything. it's all like night to state. but yet the united states is continually showering gifts on israel and also getting nothing in return. and you know, it's really interesting getting me up and down this point here, but going back to bite and speech. oh jesus. oh, absolutely, to, to the, to the hilt supporting 2 s no fanatical regimes, one in israel, and one in ukraine. where are those rules based ordered rules based ordered, gentleman, i don't know for a gentleman that's all the time we have on the thing. my guessing marrakech and in budapest and want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz the next time . remember, a girl stifles the

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